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Sex abuse allegations

As far as I can tell, given the language barrier, there are many Spanish-language sources that allege that Noel was the subject of claims or criminal charges (some translations say conviction) of sexual abuse. I suspect this was some of the content that was added, perhaps unsourced, to the article in a now-oversighted edit () on July 20. (That oversight would have been a good call, if the claims were, as I suspect, poorly sourced.)

These seem to be legitimate sources meeting WP:RS; but I am not fluent in Spanish and am reluctant to add material like this depending solely on machine translation. That being said, the claims/charges/convictions are undoubtedly related to his suicide (as with, for example, Mark Salling), and the article should reflect them. If some Spanish-speaking editors would like to have a go at it, here are some sources; you can no doubt find others.

"El cineasta francés Iván Noel, acusado de abuso sexual, fue encontrado muerto en Argentina" . RT en Español (in Spanish). July 20, 2021. Retrieved July 23, 2021. (Google translation)

Periódico, El (July 20, 2021). "Hallado muerto en su casa de Argentina el cineasta francés Iván Noel, acusado de abusos sexuales" . El Periódico (in Spanish). Retrieved July 23, 2021. (Google translation)

"Quién era Iván Noel, el cineasta franco-argentino acusado de abuso sexual que apareció muerto - LA NACION" . La Nación (in Spanish). July 20, 2021. Retrieved July 23, 2021. (Google translation)

TJRC (talk) 01:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

On the IP user talk page, the admin assorted the revision deletion with a warning for disruptive editing.

"as with, for example, Marc Salling"... isn't this original research? Also watch out for false equivalence.

The first proposed source, whether in Spanish or in English, is blacklisted on WP:RSP.

The second and third source both claim that he was sentenced in absentia in France for the sexual abuse of a 15-year-old. The second source has the decency to admit that they hadn't verified this info, sourcing it to "medios locales" .

This source contains the verifiable (and verified by me) info of Noel's empty criminal record in France — "extrait de casier judiciaire (bulletin n°3) néant" — as of 16 July 2021: ""Él avisó que no iba a soportar el escrache": la trama detrás de la muerte del cineasta denunciado por abuso de menores en Córdoba" . Infobae (in Spanish). July 20, 2021. Retrieved July 26, 2021.

On the recent allegations (third source) — "una denuncia que hicieron tres adolescentes de Jesús María en su contra por supuestos abusos sexuales cometidos durante la filmación de la película Cordero de dios, que se rodó entre fines de 2018 y principios de 2019" — "debido a que se trataba de una “sospecha leve”, no se pidió la detención" .

The fourth source added above has Noel's lawyer saying that they were ready to present evidence to the prosecutor of threats against the filmmaker ("presentar ante la fiscal pruebas de que el director había sido amenazado por sus denunciantes") by his denouncers, three 14 and 15-year-olds ("tres adolescentes de 14 y 15 años").

The fourth source has Iván Noel explaining in his farewell vid that he wouldn't stand up to the lynch mob. "Si a través de gente tóxica, del tipo que surfean la ola de la histeria como una ‘cura’ de sus celos y de sus fracasos personales, me retiran o amenazan de retirarme el futuro como yo quiero, pues, es tiempo para mí de bye-bye" He notified the prosecutor and his lawyer that he didn't admit any guilt. "De ninguna forma eso supone cualquier admisión mía de ofensa hacia alguien. Todo lo contrario: yo nunca fui capaz de hacerle daño a la gente y menos a los más vulnerables" His lawyer notes: "Él avisó que no iba a soportar el escrache por algo que no hizo y cumplió su promesa" .

Wakari07 (talk) 04:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Wakari07. This points up why I didn't want to make such edits relying on a machine translation.

One thing: Original research is not an issue here. I was not suggesting that anything about Salling be added to this article; there's no OR problem in a talk page discussion comparing treatment of potentially similar situations in other articles. TJRC (talk) 16:52, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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