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Concerning edits done on liberalism outside the western sphere
The concept of liberalism is heavily associated with the Era of Enlightenment, Christianity and Europe. I do not think that liberalism outside the context of Europe, and maybe the Western world, has much place on this article beyond text under a different subheading about its progressive spread across the world.
Any concepts of reform/liberalism that have been developed in other societies/cultures that were not derived from European liberalism should be written in a different article under the local terminology for such political movements; you would not write about Christianity under "liberalism" because it happened to be a reformist movement in ancient Israel.
I want to remove all references to Islam and the Middle East from the opening. Please feel free to add information on the spread of liberalism from Europe to other parts of the world in a separate subheading.
Homoeuropeeans (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Homoeuropeeans (talk) 00:15, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- The nom de Wiki "Homoeuropeeans" is suggestive. The claim that liberalism does not really exist outside the context of Europe is unacceptable. The most well-known example is the Young Turks, but there are others. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Homoeuropeeans, this reformist movements in ancient Israel are influenced by, or related to liberalism or were liberals, all in a notable way? If you have reliable academic sources that state this, they totally could be added here. In fact I encourage it. Rupert Loup (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- The nom de Wiki "Homoeuropeeans" is suggestive. The claim that liberalism does not really exist outside the context of Europe is unacceptable. The most well-known example is the Young Turks, but there are others. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- To be sure, the historical Jesus supported a liberal morality (love your neighbor, tolerance, less severe punishments, repentance as an individually freely chosen path) but in other respects he was a theocratic monarchist and economically he tended to be a commie. He had nothing to do with liberal democracy, nor with free market economics: these ideas were totally foreign to his mind. Ancient Jews had indeed markets, but they did not have Adam Smith. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- The Young Turks were inspired by liberal philosophy in France Flameoguy (talk) 21:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Wage slavery link
The Criticism of liberalism section includes a link to wage slavery, but its relevance is not clear. It appears that it was added in this revision by User:Rupert Loup. Can anyone explain why this link is relevant here? Jarble (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Jarble, didn't ever heard Vladimir Lenin's quote "liberal science defends wage slavery, whereas Marxism has declared relentless war on wage slavery"? Rupert Loup (talk) 05:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Rupert Loup: It might be worthwhile to mention it in the article, then. Jarble (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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Liberalism does not include free-market economics. Please remove all reference to this. 2601:282:700:6040:797E:D145:819A:5F59 (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 23:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
This assertion is entirely incorrect and is following the ignorant conflation of classical liberalism (liberalism) with the indirect contemporary term "liberalism" which is actually progressivism. This entire page juxtaposes them as if the modern form is borne of the former. The opposite is true. They are conflicting and a FREE market is the is entirely in line with liberalism in its correct usage which can be boiled down to the concept of freedom.
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Could the first lead sentence please include the non-American (rest of world) understanding of liberalism, whch is "commitment to limited government". This is substantiated in the article body as follows '... in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies). Thank you.81.131.171.183 (talk) 17:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think that is an over-simplification. Certainly in some countries the term is popularly used to refer to certain types of liberalism, but the meaning of the term can change according to context. TFD (talk) 04:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
"Over time, the moderates displaced the progressives as the main guardians of continental European liberalism."
This line has no citation and seems out of place in the intro area. It shouldn't be there, I feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.85.53 (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
The citation precedes the sentence, I've moved it to follow the sentence. Here is the quote, from page 3 of Kirchner. "However, liberalism's continental version, deeply divided as it was between moderates and progressives, was -- finally -- almost completely taken over by the moderate group." Rick Norwood (talk) 11:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
" Ridiculous Lexicon Of Liberalism As Conservatism "
The principles of libertarianism stipulate non aggression principles and negative wrights to establish negative liberties with respect to government ( freedom from interference by government ) , however negative wrights do not establish non aggression principles or negative liberties with respect to other individuals ( freedom from interference by other citizens ) , which are ensured through authoritarian actions of government by positive wrights .
EDITORIAL NOTE : The contemporary lexicon applies the term " liberalism " with a false equivalence that positive wrights to establish non aggression principles and negative liberties be extrapolated to include positive liberties , as positive liberties are entirely a conservative precept ( conservation of government ) that is logically disjunct from non aggression principles and negative liberties .
GeMiJa (talk) 00:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- https://politicalhotwire.com/threads/liberal-versus-conservative-paradigm-is-intellectual-buffoonery.69367/
- http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/political-science-terminology-negative-positive-wrights-liberties-protections-endowments.707820
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