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WikiProject Women's History

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Anyone for Women's health?

You may be interested in this thread at the Medicine project talk page. Cheers, 86.164.164.29 (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Iota Sigma Pi

Hello, if anyone has a free moment can you have a look over this article for me - I have put it as a Start-class and I am hoping to get a DYK for it at some point. I only found it through the 'Random Article' button and tried my best to improve it. Thanks ツStacey (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Vivien Leigh FAR

I have nominated Vivien Leigh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Cambridge Political Equality Association

Dear history experts: Here's a draft article that's up for review at AfC. Is this a notable topic? Is the draft ready for the encyclopedia? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - it's on mainspace now. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Question at the Village Pump

There is a question at the Village Pump that should be of interest to this group:

Risk in identifying as a woman editor on Misplaced Pages

--Lightbreather (talk) 02:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Native American Women

I am a relatively new editor to Misplaced Pages, but have studied and written about women for decades. Most of the Wiki articles I have written have been on Native American women: Tillie Hardwick, Gina Gray, Minnie Evans (Potawatomi leader), Vestana Cadue. Should they be tagged with Women's History banner? I know it has been an issue in the past to combine boxes of someone who is say a politician but also Native American, do you know if it is possible to combine the personbox used on the women's articles with the Native American box?

I am working on a biography now of an Arapaho activist and the more I work on her, the more I think that she would be an amazing subject for Women's History Month. Is there a featured biography throughout the month of March? If so, how would I propose the article? The working draft is here User:SusunW/Viola Hatch SusunW (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I would say the answer to your first question regarding the banner, is that it depends on their achievements. I put the banner on the ones you listed, because they should have it, in my opinion. And it does come down to your own judgement on that issue.
  • In regards to Women's History Month, someone else needs to give input for this project. But I would suggest you also post that question at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know, because they usually run something on women everyday on the main page during Women's History Month. Ask for input over there about their front-page slots during that month. If by "featured biography", you are talking about the upper left hand featured articles on the main page, that information is here: Misplaced Pages:Featured articles, and it's a lengthy process there to get from creation to the main page.
  • When you mention "boxes", I think you're talking about the infoboxes. Yes? It's unlikely you can combine any of them, because they have been created as individual templates. But just to make sure, please post a question about that at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical), and if they don't have the answer they can point you to the right place to ask it.
Good luck with everything. — Maile (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
@Maile66 and — Maile: Thank you for your help and input. I mostly blithely go along and write about people I run across when researching someone else. Most of these Native women leaders emerged out of the Indian termination era and worked with each other or at least knew of each other. I find them and their histories fascinating, though it is often difficult to find information in great depth about them.
I find Wiki information pages impossible to fathom. They were apparently written by programmers, not writers, and instructions are in some abbreviated code that in a few years might make sense. For now, it may as well be in Greek. I know nothing about featured articles, I just thought that it might be something the women's project would be involved in. Did You Know is apparently a lengthy process which to me is quite confusing. I cannot imagine that something proposed there would be through the process in time for March, but maybe I just don't understand how it all works. I think I shall just finish Viola and move on to my next subject. I prefer to stay out of the politics of Misplaced Pages. I get enough of that in the real world. This is my relaxation and if it becomes stressful, it loses the fun of it. And yes, I meant infoboxes. I think they cannot be combined, at least the data doesn't flow properly if you try to do it.
I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions. SusunW (talk) 03:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
@SusunW: and everyone: I also find Infoboxes a bit hard to use, but my approach is to just find an article like mine that has an infobox and copy it, swapping out the parameters. Ping me for help with DYK, I nominated your first one for you, and they told me I had to treat it like one of my own, so the next one is yours, all yours, but it's not that hard if you have a friend to help. Montanabw 22:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
@Montanabw: LOL, I didn't even understand any of the instructions that they told you to do to my article, so there isn't a remote chance that I would understand how to do it on my own. ;-) I have been copying infoboxes, and formatting, and anything else I can figure out how to use to make it easier, but the Native American infobox doesn't seem to work correctly. I fill in their office, I fill in their language, etc. and none of that appears. I am going to try to report it to Village Pump as Maile66 suggested, but since I have no idea of programming lingo, it is doubtful that we will be able to have much communication. :P SusunW (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Susun, just ping @Pigsonthewing: (aka Andy) at his talk page with a link to the article and ask him if he can fix the parameters that are a problem. It's faster. Montanabw 02:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I've already replied on the inodbox's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Overlapping categories

I've been an editor here for awhile but I still don't fully understand how overlapping categories work. Let's say I make a page for an American woman who is a poet. Should I add it to both "American poets" and "American women poets"? Obviously, I want her to be found by people searching in either category. If someone comes along afterwards and removes the former category, is that kosher or discriminatory? (Apologies if this has been answered before; I spent quite awhile tunnelling through various help areas trying to find a clear answer.) Thanks.Alafarge (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm fairly new at editing on here, but I would say she belongs to both categories; however, on some of my page inputs, I have been advised "Toss parent categories where subcats are already included" is a Wiki guideline. SusunW (talk) 18:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I recollect the controversy from 2013 over some editors purging women writers from the "American novelists" category and just wanted to make sure I understood what the current best practice is today.Alafarge (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Basically, the general rule is that you usually don't put an article into both a "parent" and a "child" category. However there are exceptions, and this is one of them -for women writers, I'd say you are right to put people in BOTH, as there was quite an uproar in the mainstream press over someone who was ghettoizing the women writers by moving them from the main "writers" category and putting them in just a "women writers" category, where there was no equivalent "men writers" one. Overcategorizing does no harm, and usually someone who knows the category scheme will clean up after you if you really overdo it. There are also diffusing and non-diffusing categories, and it's hard to know which is which. Essentially, it can't hurt to preview the categories when you can to figure out what the protocol is. In a fully diffused category, Foo writers, there should be ONLY subcategories, say Male Foo writers and Women Foo writers. (Example: Category:Horses. In a non-diffusing category, ALL the articles are listed AND they go into subcats as well (Example: Category:Horse breeds). The reality is that most categories are a total mishmash and seldom does anyone keep them organized! Montanabw 23:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for this really helpful explanation. I hadn't been able to figure out how to know which cateories were, as you put, fully diffusing. I didn't realize there was pertinent information on the Category pages themselves.Alafarge (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
WP:Cat gender also explains things. Categories are a quagmire, probably because you can't watchlist what gets added or removed... sigh... Montanabw 04:35, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

On Wikidata, thanks to the Wikidata game, almost everybody with an article on Misplaced Pages has been classified as male or female. On the German Misplaced Pages, they have categories, which admittedly are so large that you can't really do anything with them. On the Dutch Misplaced Pages they have banned gender from all occupations and don't use any gender categories at all. It makes it very difficult to get proper information about male vs. female whatever. Even though lots of women on the English Misplaced Pages have not (yet) been placed into diffusing categories, I like those categories because it's a good place to start searching for women (which in some professions is like the proverbial needle in the haystack). Jane (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow what a can of worms this all is. Almost sorry I asked (jk).Alafarge (talk) 02:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
LOL! Yes! My general rule: Do not remove women from a main category so long as there are also men in it, but it's ok to ALSO have a womens' category. If someone bitches about that, slap on a non-diffusing tag on the main one and tell the whiners to create a "males' category or STFU. Except say it far more diplomatically than I just did! LOL! Montanabw 01:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Seems about right. You want people looking specifically for women writers to be able to find them, but you don't want people just looking for writers not to see any women as though they count less. Point of interest, Category:Operas is also non-diffusing for some reason. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes! Actual logic!Alafarge (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Interestingly in the case that caused all the ruckus, a "male" category was created, and the appropriate moves were made, IIRC, while the new complex "no-diffusing" rule was being crafted. Short term answer - don't worry about it. Long term answer, replace categories with something better. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:46, 6 February 2015 (UTC).

Women's History Month

Just wanted to ask what plans this year? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:46, 6 February 2015 (UTC).

I just created a special occasion holding area at DYK, hope the DYK gnomes are Ok with that (some snark about the general topic at their discussion page, don't think it will escalate into drama). Montanabw 03:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
There will be a number of edit-a-thons. See Misplaced Pages:WikiWomen's History Month. gobonobo 21:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Notice and invitation

  1. There is a redirect discussion that may be of interest to this group.
  2. Have you heard of the Kaffeeklatsch? It is a test area for women to hear and support each other. The idea came about as a result of a discussion at meta regarding my IdeaLab proposal (yet open) for WikiProject Women.
Now that the klatsch has survived an MfD and WMF legal has said that it does not violate the non discrimination policy, I am looking for women editors who might like to join.
Although I have started a couple of discussions, they are not urgent. For now, the "Please introduce yourself" discussion is more important! I want to take it slow at first and build a small group before trying to address heavy topics or come up with big goals. For now, the klatsch is there as a sort of refuge. I hope you will consider joining, and invite other women editors, too, if you wish.

--Lightbreather (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

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