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Thanks for the thanks

Although I can see your message on the edit history of my talk page for some reason I can't see it on the talk page itself. Thanks for the thanks, and thanks for all your hard work too. It's my birthday today and although I always work I am not that self-centred I might have a little bit of fun. I do take Misplaced Pages very seriously but occasionally I take a light tone or throw in an odd anecdote just to stop people getting far too grumpy for what should be an enjoyable hobby. The articles should be serious but the talk should be friendly: that's my general approach. I see your hard work too and thank you for it: of course we will not always agree but that is why there is a discussion. Si Trew (talk) 00:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on the birth of your son. Regards, -- Ohc  01:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks mate. He is nearly two months old and all is well. What a ride! John Vandenberg

My congratulations as well. No wonder you are on Misplaced Pages so much, must be keeping you up at nights! Si Trew (talk) 03:29, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit filter manager?

Yo, John Vandenberg, I saw that you gave SimonTrew edit filter manager. Isn't that a bit bigger a deal as far as permissions go? Reading Misplaced Pages:Edit filter makes it seem like it's a pretty sensitive right; certainly a lot bigger a deal than rollback; it says that there has to be a period of discussion before it can be granted, that it needs to be granted only for explicit needs, etc etc. Anyway, I'm not really the type to make a big fuss over this or whatever, but maybe it's not a good right to be giving out when people haven't even asked for it? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Yea, I've removed it. I must have clicked the wrong thing when giving out rollback. John Vandenberg 06:32, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks! Not that I think he would abuse it or anything, but the forms must be obeyed. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Oh, on my talk page I suggested to JV it should be removed, I have no idea what it even is. I don't know if you or JV are admins, but I do not want to be an admin. I am a gnome. I just created the stub Black & Decker Workmate and will add a pic when it gets light (the birdies are awake and the cat is in so can't be long yet) I am using mine as my garden table in the absence of anything better also rather handy for working in the house and is a bit dirty with paint and my hole saw and stuff so it probably will make an apt piccy, you don't want one looking too new. Si Trew (talk) 03:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

(@Writ Keeper: I assume JvB don't need a ping) I only just noticed the date on the original post. Perhaps it was a birthday present. How did you know?! Did the right ever get taken away? I've never used it – no idea what it is or what it's for. Si Trew (talk) 09:32, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

The 'edit filter manager' right was removed, but you still have 'rollback' rights. I am sure you can use it wisely, if and when required, or when you are bored enough to read WP:ROLLBACK. You may have mentioned that it was your birthday, but I dont recall. John Vandenberg 10:59, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Australian Renewable Energy Agency

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Rich Farmbrough case clarified

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Template:Did you know nominations/Theodore Katsanevas

Hello John, the time this nomination is taking is truly ridiculous, any idea on how to unstuck it? It seems any editor is allowed to boycott a nomination by replacing a sourced hook proposal with a piece of original research which will then be rejected. --Nemo 08:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding: the next thing going to happen is that the review will be questioned because the reviewer is "defined a disgrace". Remember, ALT7 is approved, someone could simply confirm that, - I could be construed as involved (I wasn't), otherwise I would do it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

On mobile & travelling atm so I cant do much. I suggest a new hook something like: that greek judge ... has ordered that a phrase in the Greek Misplaced Pages biography of Theodore K... be removed. John Vandenberg 10:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. Source? (I really was not involved.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

the judge may have ordered the article deleted. John Vandenberg 11:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/wikipedia-mounts-courtroom-defense-for-editor-sued-by-politician/

thank you, done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi John Vandenberg, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Has this been approved by the meta:Research Committee ? John Vandenberg 08:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Some advice

Don't you know that philately will get you nowhere? EEng (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Australian Renewable Energy Agency

On 28 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Australian Renewable Energy Agency, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the Australian Renewable Energy Agency is helping fund construction of the southern hemisphere's largest solar power station? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Australian Renewable Energy Agency. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

T:WPMA

I see the discussion was closed as "no consensus". T:WPMHA would work for me; does that work better for you? - Dank (push to talk) 17:13, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

That would address the main issue I raised at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 22#T:WPMA. Thanks. John Vandenberg 22:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Done, with a note at the link you just gave. - Dank (push to talk) 22:45, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed wikis

	Thanks
	Hello there. This is to say thank you for your support for NonFreeWiki; it is much appreciated. Green Giant supports NonFreeWiki (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Mera Tera Rishta Purana

Can you move this Mera Tera Rishta Purana article history in Ye Hai Mohabbatein? Actually this article's title has been changed. 101.59.171.71 (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done John Vandenberg 15:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Vera Charles

Thanks for more correct information on her, including a great photo. MerielGJones (talk) 21:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

And thanks MerielGJones for cropping that photo and heavily revising the article. It is looking much better now. John Vandenberg 10:29, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Non-free rationale for File:Sharpville-massacre.jpg

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User:Stefan2, this file had a FUR, but it was removed by user:Sfan00 IMG because at the time the PD-ZA tag was consider sufficient. Now that URAA is being tackled, it would make sense to check the history of images for similar FUR removals before templating images which were uploaded to English Misplaced Pages in 2007, which means they have been subject to many non-free reviews already. John Vandenberg 06:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:NFC#UUI §7, that FUR doesn't address WP:NFCC#2 correctly. Therefore, just reinstating the old FUR is no option, as that FUR is insufficient. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but this situation is contrary to the policies you quote. The image I uploaded is an edition published long ago and of much lower quality - the commercial value of the photograph is not diminished by this low res, low quality edition of a image that is not replaceable for the massacre article - I see it is also on another article, and I have no opinion on its utility there. John Vandenberg 12:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:NFC#UUI §7, photos from press and photo agencies may not be used unless there is sourced critical discussion about the photo itself. This one is sourced to three different agencies. WP:NFC#UUI §7 does not say anything about the age of the photo. I am not sure why you are bringing WP:NFCC#1 in; WP:NFC#UUI §7 is only about WP:NFCC#2, and WP:NFCC#2 needs to be satisfied independently of WP:NFCC#1. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

So you are alive

In your absence I've been making friends and influencing people . Hope all is well. EEng (talk) 06:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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• John, how do you feel about Commons saying *screw the URAA*? This could be hosted a lot more safely there, assuming we have proof of first publication in SA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
  • User:Crisco 1492, have you read c:Commons:Review of Precautionary principle? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:17, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
    • That and the changes to commons:Commons:URAA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Note that c:COM:URAA hasn't been updated with regard to c:Commons:Review of Precautionary principle. The things changed in c:Commons:Review of Precautionary principle also need to be taken into account. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
  • User:Crisco 1492, images like this can be really hard to determine ownership/publication. I did make a few calls last time this image went through the disputed FUR process, but didnt get to the bottom of it then, and doubt the situation has changed much (however I am sure that several additional corps would be now making dubious claims to rights they have on it.). John Vandenberg 12:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Only reasonably concrete thing to do would be to find a 1963 publication of the image.... but yeah, they are grabby. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

IPC European Swimming Championships

Hi John, I may be wandering over to the wrong person but I'm going to try to focus on the article 2014 IPC Swimming European Championships this summer. Do you know if there are any attempts to grab some photos of this event. It would be great if we could have a Wikipedian from Eindhoven just to take a shot of the stadium with the logo, but it would be better to get some actual athlete shots. Any advice on this would be appreciated. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

G'day FruitMonkey. You're wandering in the roughly the right direction, but I can only try to refer you on, as Australia wont be going to that event. Probably the best people to ask are Wikimedia Netherlands, and I am guessing from wmnl:Contact/wmnl:Bestuur that user:Ronn is the best person to speak to. John Vandenberg 10:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Someone else to talk to is User:Effeietsanders, and/or try to email photographers in Category:Wikipedians in the Netherlands and c:Category:Wikipedians in the Netherlands. John Vandenberg 10:40, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you try nl:Misplaced Pages:Afbeelding_gewenst, the requests for images page. Poke User:FruitMonkey. effeietsanders 19:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania?

Are you going? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Not this time for me. Are you? John Vandenberg 12:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Yep. And catching up with relatives. Mostly the latter - but I'm hoping to meet up with a couple of Misplaced Pages critics, too. (I'm just deciding what to pack ). --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

About the Superprotects rights

Hi John, I hope you and your people are doing fine. I've just read what is going on about the Superprotects rights on WO and then in Meta, and I thought my idea might be of some interest. I don't know if there can be a solution fighting against this kind of abusive position (which is not uncommon unfortunately...) but well you know the Catalan page/petition created in Meta (https://meta.wikimedia.org/Wikimedia_CAT/Members] was probably helpful in the creation of thorgs (there were also tags showing users' support), and then the Catalan thorg. Therefore, creating a page of people opposed to the Superprotects rights could act as some kind of pressure on Wikimedia, having people there gradually showing their discontent in a similar fashion. If you should need some help in translating and reaching other wikipedias if you should ever decide to do it, just let me know, I'll be glad to help! Take care and I wish you and your family a wonderful summertime! Claudi/Capsot (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

G'day Claudi, I am hoping this ends with WMF backing down, which they eventually did for meta:Community Logo/Reclaim the Logo. I hope the meta RFC provides a forum for discussions that allow the WMF to see how this will lead to losses of their volunteer workforce, and probably credible forks arising. I'll give the WMF board a few months to rectify this, as we did last time; if they don't, we'll need to get a bunch of the community together to design and build a better mouse trap. John Vandenberg 15:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Man, you're really optimistic, I hope you'll prove right! I tend to think that time usually plays against the ones who don't have the power: they get more divided, discuss a lot, some get tired, don't care anymore or get busy with new problems... but well let's hope some people in the Foundation will realize they will have more losses than gains if this thing goes on... Good luck! Wish you all the best! Claudi/Capsot (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals) Media Viewer RfC

You are being notified because you have participated in previous discussions on the same topic. Alsee (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Indonesian

Is there any chance you could add a translation to Template:Contrib-id1 in the style of Template:Contrib-ta1, pretty please? Bazj (talk) 13:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

No worries, I'll take it to WT:WikiProject Indonesia. Bazj (talk) 12:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

Australia and the world
Thank you for years of service, adding countless quality articles on literature and journals, in Australia and the world, creating disambiguations pages, caring about people, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 288th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Hello John Vandenberg:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Have a good one John

Your Eastern Europe alert

Hi, I am somewhat concerned about your decision to issue me with an Eastern Europe alert template and to log this as a notification on the case page. As an administrator, you know that this alert was superfluous because I am active as an admin in this topic area and have issued many discretionary sanctions myself, which is apparent from how often my name appears as sanctioning admin in the log you edited. Because of this, I was already plainly aware of the existence of discretionary sanctions in this topic area, and your alert served no useful purpose that I can discern. Moreover, it is not clear why you chose to log this as a "notification" even though, as you must know, the procedure documented at WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts has replaced logged notifications with non-logged alerts. Could you explain why I should not consider this a disruptive issuing of alerts, which is subject to sanctions also per WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts? Thanks in advance,  Sandstein  12:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

While it is not strictly necessary to alert you, given that you have issued warnings to other people before, I felt it was necessary in these strange circumstances to make sure it is quite official-like to ensure you know that you are now subject to sanctions, which I thought was pretty clear from the section title and message that follows. I dont believe you have been issued with an alert in the last 12 months, so I believe it is not against procedure to issue with an alert. I'd be delighted if you could point me to the precise passage which is your basis for threatening to sanction me for alerting you. John Vandenberg 12:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:AC#Awareness and alerts, "any editor who issues alerts disruptively may be sanctioned". I believe that your issuing (and unneeded logging) of the alert was disruptive because, as you write above, you knew that it was not necessary to inform me about the existence of discretionary sanctions. It therefore appears that you used the alert procedure and the log entry not to actually inform me about discretionary sanctions, but that you misused the procedure to mark your disapproval of the speedy deletion I made, which you also commented on. That is not the purpose of alerts, and it is not how admins are expected to communicate with each other about disagreements concerning each other's actions. I'd like to ask you to acknowledge that you will not again use the alerts procedure in this manner, and to remove the out-of-process log entry. Regards,  Sandstein  13:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

May I ask how you're able to ask John to remove the discretionary sanctions, above, but elsewhere on Misplaced Pages, where you're the administrator issuing discretionary sanctions, you've said they cannot be revoked. Which is it ? Nick (talk) 13:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

This isn't about discretionary sanctions themselves (which by the way can be revoked, by way of an appeal), but about an alert that was logged contrary to a procedure adopted by the Committee specifically to, among other things, omit the need to log alerts on a page. The previous discussions you may remember were about notifications that used to be logged prior to the adoption of the procedure now in force.  Sandstein  13:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

What part of "... I felt it was necessary ...", in my previous message above, didnt you understand? I believe it is necessary to ensure you're officially notified that it now applies to you and your administrative actions in this area. I do feel in these circumstances it is necessary to also log it on the case page log, but I am checking whether that is now forbidden; if it is, I will remove it. If you would prefer, I am happy to take this to ANI or A/R/A for review. Up to you. John Vandenberg 14:09, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you come spend your time somewhere where everyone's friendly and calm, like Talk:Phineas Gage? EEng (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

"friendly and calm" hmm .. I go to Wikisource or Wikidata when I need a bit of that. :-) John Vandenberg

Loner-geek. How's the kid? And are we ever gonna get to you project we discussed 10 months ago? EEng (talk) 15:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I've checked quite a few of the arbcase log pages, and see that admins are now logging these as 'warnings', which typically include the standard alert and a more specific comment; I can give many examples if you like. So, please consider yourself officially warned; I've updated the terminology in the arbcase log. John Vandenberg 15:49, 1 November 2014 (UTC)