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May need a rename

W/ three seperate incidents reported, the current title may not be sufficient. But wait to see how this gets covered in sources. Might be simpler as "2014 Ottawa shooting attack" (pending on who's behind this). --MASEM (t) 16:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The article has been moved by User:RGloucester to "2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa". I have issues with this. First, it uses an indefinite article ("an"), which is against WP:NAME. Second, listing multiple shooting locations (forcing the use of a comma) is also unnecessary; we can limit it to one general location. I would suggest a new name that uses one general location (e.g. Ottawa) and places it before "shootings" (e.g. "2014 Ottawa shootings"). Please discuss potential new names here so we can come to consensus. --Natural R_X 17:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I would use "2014 Ottawa shootings attacks" as there where multiple incidents. Avion365 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Strongly oppose "2014 Ottawa shootings". There have been plenty of other shootings in Ottawa in 2014, I'm sure. "at" is not an article at all. It is a preposition, and is perfectly acceptable in the context of the guidelines. It isn't about "listing multiple locations". It is about clarifying the location. These shootings were at "Parliament Hill" in "Ottawa", as opposed to other Parliament Hills elsewhere. The format "Parliament Hill, Ottawa" is a standard convention for neighbourhoods in cities. RGloucester — ☎ 17:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

"Plenty of other shootings in Ottawa in 2014" - do any have Misplaced Pages articles? And how about October 2014 Ottawa shootings? Whoop whoop pull up 18:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

If we're going this route, I favour "22 October 2014 Ottawa shootings". They did not cover the whole of October. Let's be WP:PRECISE. RGloucester — ☎ 18:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

See title format of other articles: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting; 2013 Annaberg shooting; 2013 Shanghai shooting; 2011 Tucson shooting; 2011 Mastung bus shooting; 2011 Hazara Town shooting; etc. I think this is plenty of justification for 2014 Ottawa shootings, on top of point from User:Whoop whoop pull up. Any other shootings thus far are relatively trivial to this anyway. --Natural R_X 18:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree with the titles of those articles either. Just because they exist as such doesn't mean that they should, as per WP:OTHERSTUFF. Let's try and actual follow the title criteria this time, shall we? RGloucester — ☎ 18:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I believe these article titles are in keeping with WP:NAME conventions, just because you don't agree with them, it doesn't mean they don't follow the conventions. --Natural R_X 18:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

No need for a rename in this fluid situation - and we need to be specific the shootings were at Parliament Hill Legacypac (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment As it stand now this article is "2014 Shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa" I think this current title is apt and succinct. - A Canadian Toker (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I prefer to keep the present title as both apt and succinct. RGloucester — ☎ 18:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge the article with 2014 Ottawa Shooting and then rename the article to include the word downtown. The first shooting was not on parliament hill, it was at the War memorial. -- Kndimov (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The memorial near Parliament. Media is calling these events "Parliament Hill attack" or Parliament Hill shooting". "Downtown" is wrong, as the Rideau Centre thing did not actually happen. This is the longstand article. That fork has already been merged here. RGloucester — ☎ 18:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the update re: Rideau Centre. So, 2014 Parliament Hill shooting(s) would be an appropriate name? --Natural R_X 18:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

No, it would not. There are other "Parliament Hills". "Ottawa" must be specified. RGloucester — ☎ 18:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Note Parliament Hill currently directs to the one in Ottawa, as it is the most common usage. The disambiguation page only points to two others which are less prominent. --Natural R_X 19:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment I agree that having Ottawa in the title is also important. Also, having downtown is unnecessary IMO. - A Canadian Toker (talk) 18:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Soldier's Death

There have been conflicting reports on if the soldier that was shot has died, please hold off editing the soldier's condition, other than the fact that a soldier has been shot. Misplaced Pages is not news. Avion365 (talk) 17:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed far and wide, including in the Police Press Conf. Also confirmed one suspect dead. Legacypac (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

As said it has now been confirmed. Reservist from Hamilton, may he RIP - A Canadian Toker (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Please then link the correct source, your current one still has it as unconfirmed.Avion365 (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The soldier's death has been confirmed, unfortunately. 2.110.54.193 (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Identification of weapons used

In media I have heard varied reports ranging from double-barreled shotgun to rifle to long-gun (long-gun is a class of firearms according to Canadian law, not all long rifles are long guns...) I have added the citation needed tag to the statement re. the double barreled shotgun. We need RS to say whether in fact there was a double barreled shotgun, rifle or combination of the two (RS still unsure as to # of shooters). - A Canadian Toker (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Speculation

WP is NOT a media outlet. we don't speculate/sensationlise. unless there is a connection asserted with this being isis there is no reason to speculate it follows a day of isis shit (and if it is then there will be more see also's)Lihaas (talk) 19:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the mention of the previous incident involving an ISIL sympathizer. This does not allege the two incidents are connected, but objectively mentioned that it happened previously (as other media outlets sourced in the article mention). --Natural R_X 19:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

While there may be no definitive link as of yet many RS are reporting on the fact that Canada increased its terror alert following the earlier ISIL inspired terror attack. This is notable for this incident. (P.S. does the earlier incident have a wikipage?) - A Canadian Toker (talk) 19:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Likely not nor should it have one; it was a "minor" incident for all purposes and, ignoring today's shooting, would likely fail NEVENT. Now, if it turns out that ends up being related to this, I would fully support a short section on this article to discuss that event in this context, but not before. However, mentioning the event as we have now is just fine since the press is pointing this out in spades. --MASEM (t) 19:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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