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Ping!

We now have three supports at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Horse Protection Act of 1970/archive1. I think that means it's time for a FAC delegate to take a peek and close/promote? Just FYI. Thanks! Montanabw 21:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Now, with a totally different team of co-noms, there is also Oxbow (horse) up as well. We have four supports and a fifth with all issues addressed, waiting for them to verify. Of note, Nikkimaria has reviewed and supported, "pending spotchecks" if the delegates request them. Care to peek? Montanabw 20:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Follow up: Fifth supporter signed off. I think it's ready for you. Montanabw 22:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I think Froggerlaura and I have addressed your comments. Let us know if we have more work to do. I also made a few content edits for style and flow, reviewing the wikilinks drew my eye to some punctuation and awkward prose I wanted to tweak, hope all is OK. Montanabw 21:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the promotion to FA! Much appreciated! Montanabw 22:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Pony!
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DYK for No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit RAAF

On 2 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit RAAF, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit staff were responsible for translating training material from French into English prior to delivery of the Dassault Mirage III to the RAAF? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit RAAF. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

June 2013 backlog reduction drive

		Military history service award
		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your contributions to the WikiProject's June 2013 backlog reduction drive, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject award. Anotherclown (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Tks mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/The Coral Island/archive1

Hi Ian, I've archived this after an email request from Drmies. Is there anything else that needs to be done beyond adding the template and removing it from the main FAC page? Ed  20:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I have moved the transclusion to here Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations/July 2013. Graham Colm (talk) 20:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Graham, much appreciated. Ed  20:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Alan McNicoll FAC

Hi Ian. I have an FAC delegate query I wanted to run past you, if that is okay? Alan McNicoll has been at FAC for a month and a half now and, despite two supports and no outstanding issues or comments, has not attracted attention of any kind since its last review (by you, that is) on 12 June. Considering the review is so close to gaining the required support, yet edging closer and closer to potential closure due to the time it has been open, I am of course anxious to try and get a few editors to have a look and possibly review the article. I was thinking of leaving a note on the talk pages of the editors who reviewed the article for A-Class to see if they would be interested in having a look. However, I wasn't sure if such a thing was okay or a giant no-no, so wanted to run it by you first. Other than that, I'm not sure what I can do. I have already posted a note to Milhist, but that didn't work unfortunately. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 03:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Brice. On this one I've of course recused myself from delegate duties since I'm reviewing (and supporting), so as courtesy I'm going to ping my fellow delegates who'll have to make the decision on closing it at some stage anyway. That said, there's no rule against letting previous reviewers of an article know (in a completely neutral manner of course, and all of them not simply the supportive ones) that it's nominated for FAC. In this case, however, your current reviewers/supporters are MilHist people, and those who reviewed previously are MilHist people, so the other delegates would probably like to see a non-MilHist review for balance (I tend to, and you'll find me holding road, video game, milhist, etc, noms open expressly because they've only had reviews by project people; it's not that I regard the like-minded as suspect -- on the contrary, I value their expert opinion -- but we should have other eyes to at least check general readability, jargon, esoteria, etc). For the moment, then, I'd say it's fine to leave notes for previous reviewers. As for a non-project one, well, I've just found as a delegate that when I leave a note on FAC noms that I'd like to see an "outsider" reviewing, such people seem to pop out of the woodwork, and perhaps that will occur this time. In any case, the other delegates will make the call on whether that's necessary or not. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Of course, but I figured you'd be able to point me in the right direction at least. :) The only issue is that the article has not really received any exposure outside of Milhist. As you were the one who reviewed it for GA, the four editors who reviewed it for A-Class are primarily Milhist editors, and aside from the source review all comments thus far during the FAC have been from Milhist editors, there has been a rather limited audience. I would greatly appreciate a review or two from editors outside of the project, but it would be rather poor form for me to harass random editors for such. I'll wait off notifying the A-Class reviewers until Ucucha and Graham have weighed in, to see what they think. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Have you tried reviewing other people's noms? There are editors who will take a quasi-tit-for-tat approach: if you review theirs, they'll review yours. Not necessarily support, mind you, but they will review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:21, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, Crisco. I've reviewed four or five FACs during the time the above has been under review, partly to repay reviewers for their efforts in looking at one of mine and partly in a subconscious attempt to gain a reciprocal review, but haven't gained much success with that so far. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

• Ah, now that does bite. I'll see if I can do something this week, but I'm technically MilHist as well (I'm a member, but 99% of my articles are well outside that project's scope... case in point). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

• Ucucha and Graham will make the final call but I think you're distant enough from the regular MilHist crowd to count as independent, Crisco...;-) At the very least, you have no prior involvement as a GA or A-Class reviewer of the article. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ian. Sorry to be a pain again. Crisco has kindly reviewed the article and, during the process, completed an image check. As is always the case, the post-1945 images have been questioned. As someone who has kept abreast of the image debates over the last couple of years and is thus likely to know where to point to, I was wondering if you'd mind popping over and having a look? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• I've also left a question for you, Ian, although it's more of a question about loopholes than anything else. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Heh, it's always nice to be wanted -- will stop by shortly... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note

Hi Ian, I've started an RFC on proposed adjustments to the governance of the featured-article forums. Tony (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Tks Tony. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:50, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for nom permission

My Garden Warbler has three supports, no opposes or outstanding issues, is it premature to throw Pacific Swift to the wolves? Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I spoke too soon, new comments, please ignore above for now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for North-Eastern Area Command (RAAF)

On 9 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article North-Eastern Area Command (RAAF), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the concrete bunker housing RAAF North-Eastern Area Command's operational headquarters during World War II was topped with a suburban house to mislead enemy aircraft? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/North-Eastern Area Command (RAAF). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Proper ping

per #Ping! above, Oxbow (horse) appears to be ready for your review and potential promotion to FA at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Oxbow (horse)/archive1 when it arrives in the proper spot in your work queue. Thanks Montanabw 19:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I may have delayed the bot by upgrading the project assessment, I removed that, is that all that's needed to get the FA bot to update the talk page, add the star, etc.??? Mea culpa if something got screwed up... bot was slow to begin with and I got impatient... Montanabw 22:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Source check

Hey Ian, I requested a source check on the talk page of Misplaced Pages Featured Artcle Candidates. But, no one has yet reviewed the sources. Would you pls, ask an experienced source reviewer to review it. Thanks.—Prashant 03:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Potential source reviewers do watch those announcements and I expect one of them will get to it before too long; it's only been a couple of days. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Drowning Girl FAC

I see 5 articles were promoted today, but not Drowning Girl FAC, which has 3 supports, an image check and a source check in its 30 day under review. What gives? Can I nominate Whaam! now? I am working towards a 9/28 50th anniversary for that work and would like to get the FAC started.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

This was posted during the night down here but I see Graham has responded, and I agree with him. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:24, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1

Since you are a participant at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Whaam!‎, I am informing you that Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 is now open.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Drowning Girl at WP:FOUR and Whaam! at A-Class

I noticed this edit. It was curious, but it seemed like you were going to award the FOUR. However, you have made no edits since. What is going on? Also, why did you close Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Whaam! yesterday? Is there a policy against an article being at FAC and MILHIST A-Class?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Re. first question, the instructions are to remove the nom statement before making the award (which incidentally I made before you posted this message) so I'm not sure why the impatience... ;-) Ian Rose (talk) 12:22, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

If you award a FOUR award and it is either the first for the nominator or the 10th or higher, edits also need to be made at Misplaced Pages:Four Award.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think the addition you've just made to the instructions will certainly help avoid any omissions in future... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Re. second question, since FA 'trumps' A-Class, what would be the point of running ACR and FAC for the same article simultaneously? It's no different to ensuring an article has no GAN or PR running when it's nominated for FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:22, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The point would have been to get MILHISAT recognition. The A-Class review was a month old and would have likely concluded before FAC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No, it's never worked that way, at least not in my memory -- everyone in MilHist (and in other projects with ACR as far as I'm aware) waits for the ACR to complete before nominating at FAC. The last time someone nominated at FAC while their article was still at MilHist ACR, we archived the ACR immediately as well. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

O.K. my mistake. Well it could have taken another 5 weeks just to get an A-Class and this needs to be promoted to FA by early September to be WP:TFA-eligible in time for the 50th anniversary. FA is what is important now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Norman conquest of England

Hasn't gotten its bright shiny star... Ealdgyth - Talk 12:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I can assure you the article's still FA though... ;-) Yeah, the bot seems to be on strike, I believe they've been notified... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Bot does seem very slow of late..Tibetan Prayer 19:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations

		The Military history A-Class medal with swords
		On behalf of the other coordinators of the Military History Wikiproject, I'm very pleased to present you with this medal in recognition of your work in developing the No. 84 Wing RAAF, Lockheed C-130 Hercules in Australian service, and William Hely articles to A-class standard - thanks also for writing the sections of the C-130 article which reviewers didn't complain about in the FAC! Nick-D (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Tks Nick! Heh, if more reviewers complained about your stuff then it was only because you supplied more of the article's info than I did -- IOW I'm sure it was only proportional... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:57, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

New incarnation

Just so you know at FAC I'm the artist formerly known as Dr. Blofeld. Am editing under this account at least for the near future.Tibetan Prayer 19:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Tks -- peace and blessings be upon your new incarnation... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

North-Eastern Area Command GA1

Gday Ian. Just letting you know I've added the review here: Talk:North-Eastern Area Command (RAAF)/GA1. When you get a chance pls have a look at my comments. Apologies for the delay I was called out of town for a while. Anotherclown (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

No prob -- replied/actioned. Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:16, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I-496

Interstate 496 received a spotcheck at its ACR, like all newly promoted articles coming out of the Highway/USRD projects. Imzadi 1979 → 05:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Source spotcheck and source review are not the same thing, despite the apparent similarity of terms. "Source spotchecks" are to try and determine how accurately sources have been employed without copyvio or close paraphrasing. "Source reviews" are about reference formatting and reliability; this is an example. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

TCN7JM did one already, although it is his first. All of the sources come from AP/UPI wire stories, state or federal highway agency documents/maps, a book published by the former chief archivist of the State of Michigan, the local newspapers and a TV station doing original investigative reporting or human interest pieces, or a pamphlet from the Michigan Historical Center. Imzadi 1979 → 06:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

• It is absolutely harmless to have a second or third opinion on sources, so I don't see why you are arguing against another at FAC so much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

When God Writes Your Love Story

Hi Ian,

Thank you for your advice with regards to the 2012 tour of She Has a Name FAC; it was good to see the article go up on the main page. I have had another FAC up for just under a month now and, while there has been a fair bit of discussion and I believe that all actionable objections have been resolved, only two editors have given their explicit support for the promotion. Of the seven editors who have contributed to the discussion, two have supported, one has decided to abstain, and four have no outstanding concerns but have neither supported nor declined. Of those remaining four, I know that at least one has simply been away from Misplaced Pages since their initial comments. Is the current level of support sufficient? If not, would you recommend that I contact the editors who have already commented to request that they make their stance explicit, or should I simply encourage more editors to contribute to the discussion? Any advice you are willing to provide would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Email?

Hi Ian, I just recieved an odd looking email from your account with nothing but some odd text and a link to a URL - I fear that your account may have been hacked. If so, I hope the damage isn't too bad. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 23:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Me too and many others here. Graham Colm (talk) 23:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that's how it looks -- I certainly can't remember giving my password to anyone in Bulgaria... ;-) Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Might not be a bad idea to disable wiki mail for a bit if you've been hacked. (Unsolicited advice). Victoria (talk) 00:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Ugh. So now we know the email addys of the entire Wiki :) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Panic in Detroit

hello Ian. Why did you revert my edits in this article? The whole album is classified as glam in the articles about the songs so why not this one. And have you ever heard Panic in Detroit? It's maybe the most typical glam rock song on the album. Just listen to it. And almost all the songs of Bowie from 1971 to 1974 is called glam in their articles. Far from all of them really is typical for this genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.157.72.4 (talk) 12:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I've owned the album for about 30 years, so I know it quite well. You may be confusing image and musical style. The album belongs to Bowie's glam rock period but it's an eclectic blend of Stones-style rockers, latin, R&B, cabaret, and other styles. This is not simply my opinion but that of many critics. "Panic"'s basic beat predates glam by almost 20 years, going back to Bo Diddley in the '50s, which is why simply "rock" is a more appropriate label. By the way, if you want to hold a conversation, why not get yourself a user ID so I have something to call you -- no need to be scared, I'm quite polite... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Doubt

Ian, are you sure that the Uruguayan War FAC nomination was closed correctly? It has been almost ten days and the bot hasn't archived it. --Lecen (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Bot issues. See Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article candidates#VoxelBot. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Ealdgyth. --Lecen (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Graham

Hi Ian, I won't be available from August 16 to September 16. I will be traveling around north India and the foothills of the Himalayas. I hope you're not planning to be away at the same time. Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a prob, if I'm away this year it shouldn't be before October. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)