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DragoLink08: ANI discussion regarding requested range blocks

Gentlemen, Cuchullain and I have filed ANI reports regarding User:DragoLink08's continued disruptive editing and sock-puppetry. I have also requested appropriate range blocks for the University of South Florida IP addresses that have provided him with an escape hatch to continue his sock-puppetry for the past three years. Many of you have had to deal with Drago's disruptive editing of the color schemes for navboxes, infoboxes and tables. Your input at ANI is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk)

Template:Infobox college football player

I just converted Hameen Ali's infobox to the college football one (Template:Infobox college football player). I don't know how to update the default color schemes for the schools, but can someone make William & Mary's colors a green background and gold lettering? Right now it shows Ali's infobox colors as green font and silver background. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

The issue was that W&M did not have a color set in {{CollegePrimaryHex}} and had its primary color in {{CollegeSecondaryHex}}. Fixed. Billcasey905 (talk) 18:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Bill, thanks for taking care of that. On the issue of Template:Infobox college football player, looks like the heading "Bowl games" ought to be changed to something like "Postseason appearances" for greater flexibility. Hameen Ali is a good example why this would be needed. Any thoughts or objections? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Agree with the proposed infobox tweak as it pertains to all college football players, not just BCS (or historical equivalent) players. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Destrehan Fighting Wildcats football for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Destrehan Fighting Wildcats football is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Destrehan Fighting Wildcats football until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

AfD's

See: here and here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 (talk) 17:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

CFD on college sports venues

See discussion here - Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 5#Category:US college sports venues. Current noms are for baseball, but likely to be expanded to other college sports as well. Billcasey905 (talk) 01:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

College names in athletes' infoboxes

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#College_names_in_athletes.27_infoboxes. —Bagumba (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Tai Streets

Am I the only person watching Tai Streets? His page was blanked for over 24 hours.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

College Football Playoff

Discussion of article title and move here: Talk:NCAA Division I FBS playoffs. CrazyPaco (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Interim head coaches removed from coaching navboxes

FYI, User:2600:1015:B12E:6451:518B:FA34:E159:57D3 has been removing interim head coaches from coaching navboxes and making an array of other problematic edits. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame inductees

A recent category for discussion resulted in, IMO, the surprising deletion of Category:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame inductees. This rationale for the deletion could impact the future standing of Category:College Football Hall of Fame inductees. The cfd was for the College basketball Hall of Fame was not brought to the attention of Talk:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Basketball, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject College Basketball, nor even Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Sports. I personally believe the cfd was not properly announced, per cfd instructions to place "a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article" nor relevant Wikiprojects. Further I disagree with the interpretation of consensus and to reasoning to close the discussion by User:BrownHairedGirl. Any interest in bringing this to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review? CrazyPaco (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Interim Coaches

Interim coaches should not be included in the navigation boxes. They are not the official head coach. They are not under contract. I would like to see this changed. Interims should get credit for the games they coach, but they shouldn't be included with the official head coaches. Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.133.191 (talk) 03:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Interim head coaches are indeed the official head coach of the team, albeit with the "interim" qualifier. The are the official coach of record during their interim tenures. For complete detailing of the succession of a given program's head coaches, it surely makes sense to include interim head coaches in any list or navbox. Also, please do not delete other editor's comments in a discussion, as you just did. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Clarification--My take on it is this: Typically "interim coaches" that don't coach a game are not included, such as when Tom Osborne returned to Nebraska as Athletic Director and named himself temporary head coach until Bo Pelini was hired. Osborne's "second tenure" as a head coach is typically not included. Another example is George O'Leary at Notre Dame, who was hired and then fired before he could coach a game. However, presently missing from Notre Dame's head coach navbox is Kent Baer, who coached a game after Tyrone Willingham was fired. This needs to be corrected.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Paul, that clarification is not what's being discussed here. The IP editor above is suggesting that all interim coaches, even those who have been the official coach of record for one or more games, should be excluded from the navboxes. The reason that Kent Baer was missing for the Notre Dame navbox is that he was just removed three days ago by User:2600:1015:B10A:CA9C:B167:20AA:9DC1:950B. There have been a number of edits from accounts of the form "2600:..." that appear to all be the work of this same IP editor who commented above. I've reverted all of the deletions of interim coaches from navboxes that I can find. If anyone else finds any more, please revert them. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Well done!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

New sports related IRC channel.

There is now an WP:IRC channel for collaboration between editors in various sports WikiProjects. It's located at #wikipedia-en-sports . Thanks Secret 03:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Question

This is a bit random, and would definitely be applicable to other college sports besides just football, but, since I figured this is probably the most watched project page, I thought I'd bring it up here. In the Template:Infobox NCAA football school template there is the parameter HeadCoachYear. Rather than manually putting in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ect. every year, I was wondering if there was some way one could put in the year the coach started the job and have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ect. calculated automatically? Seems like it would save a whole lot of busy work and keep things more up to date. For example, on the Bucknell Bison football page, it lists Joe Susan as being in his "2nd year," while 2013 will actually be his 4th year on the job. Obviously, no one has bothered to change it for the past two years. Just a thought. Ejgreen77 (talk) 23:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Roger, that. I'm not a template coder, but I heartily second what EJ suggests. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

"Giovanni Strassini"

I noticed a new editor removing this name from several Ohio State-related pages, e.g. here, and because the edits lacked an edit summary I was set to revert them all as vandalism - except, Strassini - a putative All American, NFL draftee and TD pass receiver in a Rose Bowl - was redlinked. That struck me as odd so I nosed around a bit, not on Misplaced Pages, where the fellow seemed to crop up in all kinds of places, but rather at source sites like the Rose Bowl or the OSU Varsity Hall of Fame, and came up with absolutely nothing reliable on the guy. Interestingly, he does appear in other user-edited places like IMDB, but not in any actual, reliable, primary or secondary locations. The upshot is that I think he's a hoax; a very well papered one, but a hoax nevertheless, and I've removed him from every spot I can find him in the encyclopedia.

I haven't been able to find out who added him in a lot of the cases, but this one IP was busy at it back in 2010, see Special:Contributions/24.74.116.215.

Anyhow, that's what I did, and if I've overlooked something really obvious, please accept my apologies and feel free to revert me. If I'm right, then - oops! How embarrassing! That one got by a lot of us - JohnInDC (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Also note Special:Contributions/66.20.189.163, back in 2009, when User:JustAGal reverted most of it quickly. --bender235 (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

This IP editor too: Special:Contributions/70.60.106.190. Both these IPs are out of Charlotte, NC, where the OSU alumni group features a couple of photos of this person Strassini (or of someone claiming his name). It's amusing how thoroughly he's managed to insinuate himself. JohnInDC (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Google news archive and Google books also show nothing about Mr. Strassini. If it is a hoax (as it appears to be), it was an elaborate one. Ridding Misplaced Pages of such hoaxes is invaluable to the project's integrity. Good work, John. Cbl62 (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Game accounts of the 1976 Rose Bowl reveal only one TD by OSU, and it wasn't scored by Strassini. This is pretty clearly an elaborate hoax. Cbl62 (talk) 22:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Plus, there is of course historic footage of the game, showing that no TD pass occured at all, let alone to someone named Strassini. --bender235 (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness I watched the YouTube presentation of OSU's first possession and was unsurprised that OSU's putative All-American tight end did not even start the game. It is really pretty remarkable that someone would try to create a career for themselves where the facts are so easily checked. OSU All American, Rose Bowl, my goodness. He also said somewhere that he'd played semi-pro football for the Cleveland Lions, which is a lot harder to pin down one way or another. I guess the lesson is, don't be too ambitious if you're going to create a history for yourself. JohnInDC (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Goodness, someone in Charlotte is keeping a pretty close eye on his fictional career - this IP quickly began restoring the deletions. JohnInDC (talk) 02:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The 162nd pick in the 1977 NFL Draft was Tom Schick of Maryland, not someone named Giovanni Strassini . Plus, no player named "Strassini" ever played for the Cleveland Brown, or any other NFL team . Everything points towards this being fake. --bender235 (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

PS: Like JohnInDC mentioned, there is this picture of a guy named Giovanni Strassini, allegedly an "All American 1976". Yet this official history of OSU Buckeyes football neither mentions Strassini as All-American (p. 142), nor as All-Big-Ten selection (p. 143). Also note page 130 on the 1976 Rose Bowl. --bender235 (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Found another Strassini mention at that same website: "Giovanni played Football & Baseball at OSU from 1973-77 & was an All-American in both sports in '76! He has earned a Rose Bowl Ring, Orange Bowl Ring, & some Gold Pants!! Mr. Strassini is also a member of the OSU Football All-Century Team!" Seems that he keeps getting better and better.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:15, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's the same information that can be found on Facebook (Giova Stroh), Twitter (@gstrass89), and IMDb ("Giovanni Strassini"), all referring to each other. All fake. It is just as elaborate as it is pathetic. --bender235 (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Its amazing how far this hoax went. Look at this picture. Somehow, he managed to duplicate a 1974 Rose Bowl ring with his name on it. It is obviously fake, since No. 89 was actually Leonard Willis' number. Yet, this continues to baffle me. --bender235 (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Great detective work--GrapedApe (talk) 03:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The latest round (he's not going quietly into the night) has him adding "Giova Stroh", which appears from a Google search to be the Facebook name for the same person. Giova Stroh is equally unknown to the Buckeyes, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, and like Giovanni Strassini is plainly a hoax as well. JohnInDC (talk) 11:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Judging by what my (very brief) Googling has turned up on these names, the hoax seems to be a real-life one. At least, someone by these names is going around claiming to be a former Buckeye All-American tight end and all the rest - with Misplaced Pages evidently intended to add credence to the claim. Fascinating. JohnInDC (talk) 12:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Guys, the underlying problem is that many of these articles are either under-sourced or not sourced at all. If every factoid in a football season article, or every person in a list of college athletes, were sourced and footnoted to a reliable reference per WP:V and WP:RS, then most of these sorts of hoaxes could be discouraged or easily detected. Lists of alumni and/or college athletes that do not include references (preferably online references) for every listed person practically invite these kinds of hoaxes, insertion of intentionally false information, and other kinds of vandalism. When every listed athlete is sourced and footnoted, it strongly discourages such activity.

I learned from my experience in cleaning up several lists of Florida Gators athletes (created before I became active on Misplaced Pages in 2009) what magnets they can be for various nefarious activities. In one case, List of University of Florida Olympians, I found a half dozen hoax entries of purported Florida alumni who had competed in the Olympics. Hoaxsters only do what they can get away with, and unfortunately many largely unmonitored areas of Misplaced Pages give them ample opportunity. Properly sourcing these lists can be a massive undertaking, however -- see, e.g., List of University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame members -- a task for which few editors have the time. In my ideal world, editors would not be allowed to create these lists without properly sourcing them in the first place. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Great find, JohnInDC. Kudos to you! I came across a couple of fake biographies, too, over the years. The lastest I remember was the case of the mysterious Bhaskar Ganti. --bender235 (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - but credit too to this new user Blairfitness, who was the first to recognize that Giovanni Strassini didn't belong! (And I suspect we haven't seen the last of this fellow - he seems to have a good bit invested in his faux biography.) JohnInDC (talk) 15:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, here are 15 pages I've identified as victim to these edits -

1976 College Baseball All-America Team

1976 College Football All-America Team

Ohio State Football All-Century Team

1977 Cleveland Browns season

Template:1976 College Baseball All-Americans

Ohio State Buckeyes baseball

Ohio State Buckeyes football

1977 NFL Draft

1976 Rose Bowl

1976 Ohio State Buckeyes football team

1975 Ohio State Buckeyes football team

1974 Ohio State Buckeyes football team

1973 Ohio State Buckeyes football team

Ohio State Varsity O Hall of Fame

List of Ohio State University people

Also, earlier today I filed a report at SSI concerning additional edits last night - evidently they were too old to be blocked at AIV so I reported them there. Here's that link in case this continues and other IPs need to be reported. JohnInDC (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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