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Brown eyes?
Is it popular for red hair people to have brown eyes?
Why it is missing "brown eyes" for the "Red hair" article?
Edit request on 26 January 2013
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Please change paragraph one by adding, from New SCientist Jan 19-25 2013 . Last Word section (last page), paragraph 4 : Add : 13% of Scots are redhead and about 40%carry red head gene. Samoffat (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Question: Do you have a link to the source available? Vacation9 23:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Tesco Story
Can someone change the wording of this line: (In December 2009 British supermarket chain Tesco was forced to withdraw a Christmas card which had the image of a child with red hair sitting on the lap of Santa Claus, and the words: "Santa loves all kids. Even ginger ones" after customers complained the card was offensive.)
to read "... Tesco decided to withdraw..." or simply 'Tesco withdrew'? The term 'forced' implies that Tesco did not have a choice, which is not reflected in the source article. The sentence would still explain that they removed the card under pressure using either alternative wording.
- Good point. Done. --Escape Orbit 00:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit request: Modify picture
Any chance the picture of the grimacing woman could be replaced with this picture of my friend Mat? Available here: http://fitboost.co.uk/images/red_head.jpg
I confirm that I own the picture and all rights etc. and give permission.
Thanks guys
2.28.70.158 (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- The existing photo is higher quality (more pixels and sharper focus). It also benefits from not being awkwardly cropped. I don't see any reason to make the change. I also question why you want to replace the main image instead of just asking to add your photo elsewhere to the article... but then we probably need a discussion about the other photos. DreamGuy (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- Equally important is does your friend Mat give permission? --Escape Orbit 20:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Current photos
I like the idea of having a wide variety of images showing different ages, genders and cultures. That being said the images still should be of good quality and should primarily be about red hair instead of just some photo that happens to have someone with red hair in it somewhere.
- The image captioned "Woman with red hair, Papua New Guinea" is kind of busy with multiple people in it, but I like the cultural variation it brings. The resolution is high enough that we could make a cropped version.
- The image captioned "Man with red hair" does add some variety, but it's not great quality and is cropped awkwardly.
- The image captioned "Tajik children in Pamir, Tajikistan; one of them is red-haired." has the obvious problem of only one of the subjects having red hair, and that hair is only a small percentage of the image (difficult to see). It adds nothing to this article.
The rest are fine. The main one at the top is a great photo.
I've been editing this article off and on (mostly off) for years. I could have sworn we had a bunch of high quality ones in the past. If those still exist somewhere we should bring some of them back. If not, it seems likely we could find better photos than some of the current ones without too much effort.DreamGuy (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 26 February 2013
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this is an outright lie "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish"i want to see proof not some guy who wrote a book in 1990,this bit "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait" so Scots in scotland saw red hair as a Jewish trait? what about Scandinavian red heads Jews too? lol this is a joke 125.209.164.203 (talk) 09:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- Please give a reliable source to confirm your claim. Camyoung54 talk 20:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- The content is well cited and says this was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait. Not always, "often". So Scots and Scandinavians can easily be among those that didn't. --Escape Orbit 20:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Evolution
In the Red Hair article I have read the link for citation 28 and it does not back up the statement in the wiki page. (Durham.bug (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
- The links at and its abstract for the current cite 28 don't appear problematic. JNW (talk) 17:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Abstract says, "Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans."
Wiki article read “A DNA study has concluded that some Neanderthals also had red hair”.
The abstract does not state Neanderthals had red hair, it just says they may have had differing levels of pigmentation in their skin and hair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durham.bug (talk • contribs) 18:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- The title of the article is Ancient DNA Reveals Neandertals With Red Hair, Fair Complexions. Could it be plainer, or is this an intentional series of disruptions? JNW (talk) 18:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Percentages
Discussion on sourcing for percentages of redheads worldwide, move from ANI. Paul B (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
As for the Red Hair article, I would appreciate feedback. The percentage of the world with red hair is not known and the citations for the statement do not go anywhere. (Durham.bug (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
- Yes the citations do go to an article. Paul B (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- I made a point of correcting the link to a Washington Post article that corroborated the statement in the lede, though that, too, was reverted, as well as were a number of properly sourced sentences in an earlier deletion, as noted above. A Google search reveals a differing estimate from a Chicago Tribune article ; this can also be included, with the explanation that estimates vary. JNW (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I see the links has been changed now, the article actually states up to 2%, not "1-2%". I personally do not think this is an appropriate source but if you want an inaccurate statement left in the article I'll just leave that up to you guys then. (Durham.bug (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
- This is why I opened a thread at ANI to begin with: is there any basis for not accepting the Washington Post article as reliable and referring to this as inaccurate, other than personal observation? I haven't yet seen an attempt by Durham to include a reliable source to support his/her contentions. JNW (talk) 17:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- I originally removed the sentence because the link didn't go anywhere but it's been edited and now there is a link to the article (though not from the original site), personally it feels like I'm reading a blog post but it's not really the source I have a problem with. Like I've said, there is no official or accepted figure about the percentage of the world's population who have red hair, so I won't be supplying any alternative sources - because there are none, most external sources tend to state 0.2-4% which appear to be based upon guesses as far as I'm concerned, although most of the "1-2%"s appear to have been copied straight from wiki. (Durham.bug (talk) 18:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
Papuan Women
It has been suggested that the Papuan women are not real redheads because they have dark roots. I've had a quick look at other images, and it seems that light hair with dark roots is not uncommon. I don't know why that is - whether it's a local genetic quirk or something to do with bleaching effects of sunlight. I don't think it's dye, as it seems to manifest itself in young children as well as adults, but I guess it's possible that it is some sort of local custom. All I can say is that it does not look like the kind of pattern normally created by growing out dyed hair. Here are the images I found: . Paul B (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Apparently it is a local genetic quirk which gives a distinct type of blond-reddish hair that's different from European fair hair. . Paul B (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Paul. Unless there's consensus that the deleted image is inappropriate , , I'd suggest restoration, especially as an example of an unusual occurrence. As with the other edits under discussion, I don't see that removal of the image was based on anything other than original research. Any experts in the field of follicles think otherwise? JNW (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- The actual scientific article on this is Kenny et al, "Melanesian Blond Hair Is Caused by an Amino Acid Change in TYRP1", Science 4 May 2012, Vol. 336 no. 6081 p. 554. Most of the reports talk about "blond" hair, but it clearly includes what we'd usually call redheads. The central point is that it's not associated with pale skin as in Europe, where paleness of skin and hair are connected attributes. I presume that accounts for the greater melanin content close to the skin. As the hair grows away from the skin it "fades". Paul B (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)