Misplaced Pages

Random page

I actually saw this idea on a different village pump. I think that the random page link should have different ones for editors and readers. The one for editors should bring up articles needing improvement, and dusty and orphaned articles, while the one for readers favors long,airly popular articles and featured ones. --Avid Misplaced Pages reader — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.98.244 (talk) 12:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't that render null the whole point of "random article"? There are already Featured and Good article portals and categories for readers, and editors can look for stubs and other cleanup tags, as well as elsewhere. This is a solution in search of a problem. - HectorAE (talk) 00:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Presumably, you could use the random tool which allows specification of categories, to choose one in a category such as orphaned.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Year in review

As many media outlets post "end of year" reviews, how about WP adding a notice of an end of year review to the main page throughout December/January (with decem ber liable to change and January "locked:"). We could showcase articles created/expanded/promoted, what was in the news and the corresponding WP article and also stats, etc?Lihaas (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to implement an academic complement to Misplaced Pages.

Misplaced Pages has often been accused of being too little focused on academic subjects. Some subject matters may be old-fashioned, or incomplete, or even missing. This, I believe, is mostly unfair criticism; after all, Misplaced Pages is a generalist encyclopaedia, not a specialised one. There is no reason for the article on "Anselm of Canterbury" or "Ancient Literature" to be more detailed than the article on "Pokemon" or "Stan Lee". On the other hand there obviously seems to be a need for highly detailed and up to date articles on specialist academic subjects. Whereas there are encyclopaedias of this kind on the internet, for example, the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy, they are neither part of the Free Knowledge culture, nor part of something larger that can be used universally. I believe Misplaced Pages could be the backbone of a more specialised set of articles for academic subjects in a parallel project (which could be exist parallel to the English language Misplaced Pages in a simillar way to which other language editions of Misplaced Pages do, with the option of reading some articles in "Academic" as well as in Catalá, Français, or Magyar). This would allow the non-specialised articles on academic subjects in the normal Misplaced Pages to be short and interesting for normal readers, but for there to be longer and more specialised and up to date articles linked to it.

A problem many of you might have already spotted is the following. Why would dividing Misplaced Pages further strenghthen rather than weaken the Encyclopaedia? My solution would be to use editors that have not dared or been willing to use Misplaced Pages yet. Many academics wish to help edit Misplaced Pages, but feel they would be wasting their time discussing about the contents of an article with someone without similar qualifications to them. If it were possible to create a parallel "academic" article on certain subjects, and restrict the power to edit these articles to users whose qualifications, and therefore identity, was vouchsafed by, for example, universities, or some form of digital I.D., then it would be easier to get the academics writing for Misplaced Pages, the sources might be less dated and the writers would only have to deal with other academics.

I do not believe this would in any way make the original articles worse, nor lessen the activity on the original Misplaced Pages, but it would allow specialist subjects to have more extensive and up to date articles, and faclitate the use of Misplaced Pages to segments of the population of the internet which have many useful skills, and yet are unwilling to participate in a totally democratic and anonymous enviroment. David Hastings 12:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)DRHastingsDavid Hastings 12:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to check, but you're not proposing Nupedia, are you? At any rate, I think it's probably better to bring academics (and their students) into Misplaced Pages - as is already being done in many cases - than to split Misplaced Pages. If the community split, what you'd end up with is a forked project, not a single project with two areas. – Philosopher  12:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Is Scholarpedia an intended thing? Or your hope that the same, incompetent (in average) editors of Misplaced Pages, are able to write "academic" articles in a separate wiki better than they write such articles here? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm confident that David wasn't proposing that the average incompetent Misplaced Pages editor work more on academic articles. Rather, I saw an attempt at brainstorming how to get more academically trained individuals to become editors. In general, I support such a goal. However, I don't think carving these articles off to a different place will help, but I don't see David as suggesting that. I see a proposal to allow the auricles in the same location, but have some limitations on who can edit certain articles, which might provide encouragement to new editors with special expertise. This is a very contentious issue, but worth considering, in case there is a way to achieve the goal (more experts editing) without compromising the key pillars.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:59, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I think most of you understood what I'm proposing. A way to get scholars who aren't really into the Misplaced Pages spirit to collaborate with Misplaced Pages without compromising the pillars. Seeing as strange experiments have taken place in other language sections of Misplaced Pages, the suggestion consists, in the first place, in creating a new "scholar" language Misplaced Pages (much as there is a "Simple English" language Misplaced Pages) for a few articles of academic interest, that might expand as interest grows, or fuse back with the normal English language wikipedia if interest doesn't take off.

The second part of the project would be to limit the way articles are edited in a different way as they are on most other languages, or articles. A high level editor would have validate access to an editor before they could make changes, and the validation would depend on the user using his full name, and submiting proof of his identity and/or academic credentials.

Obviously this would make the growth of the language version a lot slower and less dinamic than in other versions, but it would be growth that would only be adding information from otherwise unexistant sources (scholars who do not fully share the Wiki spirit, or who do not feel inclined to discuss things with editors they unfortunately do not see as their peers), and not substracting much effort from the already hardworking community in the English language Misplaced Pages.

By doing all this on a different language version we keep the rest of Misplaced Pages as it is (without irrelevant distinctions based on academic success), whilst at the same time making this small section atractive to a group of hard-working and often very knowledgeable who find it hard to contribute without distinctions based on academic success being given relevance.DRHastings (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Fancypants page loading

I came up with a brilliant genius idea and I didn't know where to post it, so here we go. Is it just me or do major articles on Misplaced Pages seem to take a while to load? I've tried loading pages on several Internet locations, so I don't think it's just me. I've noticed that the Internet Movie Database uses some fancy thing where part of the page only loads when you actually scroll down to it: so movie information appears immediately on your screen, but if you want the accessories or options, you have to scroll for them to load, and this saves a lot of time (theoretically). Yesterday, I noticed the lead of an article appear on my page before the rest of the article did, and it made me wonder if maybe Misplaced Pages could/should adopt a similar strategy. I know zip about coding, so maybe this is some new option available with HTML Lion (I'm kidding), and maybe it could be used to great effect. The idea is this: when visiting an article—perhaps articles of certain lengths or accolades only?—the lead will load on the viewers page. Once they scroll down for the rest of the article, it'll load separately. This would allow the first three paragraphs or so to appear instantly and maybe satisfy the reader who wouldn't have scrolled down anyway. But if they do, then there's less to load in the end. Brilliant? Or asinine? – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 20:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

w:Tools/Navigation_popups displays the first few sentences of an article and loads quickly so you could start reading the article without loading the whole page. There is an addon for Firefox which will pop up the whole article on a click of any word. That loads quickly because it gets content from en.m.wikipedia.org. On the mobile site, only the infobox (if there) and first paragraph is loaded. To do what you are suggesting, there may be some magical javascript thing you could do to get the same behaviour on the regular site. --Moogsi (talk) 02:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Replace sidebars with horizontal navboxes

Navboxes have all the advantages. They're more compact, collapsible, stackable, unobtrusive, more popular, don't occupy space that could be used by header images or infoboxes, can hold more articles in less space, and are more consistent in style (unless there is "a good reason" to deviate from that style according to WP:Navbox). I am aware of the work necessary to produce this change, and am willing to aid in the transition. Pokajanje|Talk 03:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not seeing what this would actually accomplish. — The Hand That Feeds You: 15:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Consistency. Pokajanje|Talk 21:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll grant that it would produce consistency, but it would seem to do so at the expense of usefulness and navigability, so I would oppose such a change. – Philosopher  01:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

What's a sidebar? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Some navboxen are Misplaced Pages:SIDEBARs running up / down instead of left / right. I suspect our IP / OP didn't think. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

What makes sidebars more useful or navigable than navboxes? Note navboxes' advantages. Pokajanje|Talk 19:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Reference management software

Hi. I'm relatively new to Misplaced Pages and am working more within the Medicine space. I have a question rather than an idea and am hoping this is the right place to present. Are there currently any reference management software tools that are being used within Misplaced Pages to house and share secondary sources? Is there a certain tool that is more popular within the community? Thanks. GT67 (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

You might try checking with SandyGeorgia, who works in the same area, and if very familiar with referencing issues.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I've no idea of what is being used routinely by people collaborating here but Zotero could do this quite well I think through its group feature. FiachraByrne (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

@FiachraByrne, out of curiosity, are you currently using Zotero for purposes of editing articles in Misplaced Pages. Thanks you both for your feedback. GT67 (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes. FiachraByrne (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Wiki - TOUR!

Anyone have any thoughts on an app that would combine Wiki and a Map App? Very cool to be able to open it and drive in any city...being able to pass by any landmark and hear about current events or past history. All submitted just like Wiki... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock3030 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikivoyage --— Gadget850 (Ed) 13:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

New timeline tool for Misplaced Pages - requesting feedback

We are building an application which will allow timelines to be created by adding events with a simple search and click. We've posted this message seeking feedback from the Misplaced Pages community about the idea.

We've got about a million events already available that have been automatically imported from Misplaced Pages articles, and many more are coming as we continue to update the software. We will also soon be creating a feature that allows any missing articles to be manually added to the database, by simply choosing the article and entering a date.

The user interface is unfinished at the moment, but we do have a working prototype which has been used to create a sample directory of timelines. Here are a couple of examples from the directory.

FIFA World Cup Timeline – created in 15 minutes.

Artists of the Italian Renaissance Timeline – created in 2 minutes.

Frank Herbert’s Dune Timeline – created in 20 minutes.

Of course, it's completely free to use the site and no log in is required.

Our goal is to make a tool that can be used to easily create timelines to accompany Misplaced Pages articles. We would really appreciate any feedback about the idea at this early stage, as it will help us to tailor the site to the needs of editors. If needed, more information is available at www.histropedia.com

Many thanks, NavinoEvans (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything about copyright, I'd suggest you consider that and add something appropriate and of course compatible with the copyrights that apply to the Misplaced Pages data that you've already imported. ϢereSpielChequers 15:43, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the reply. I’m in the process writing the copyright pages at the moment, where it explains the copyright status of the content viewed through the site and how to report a suspected violation. The only information we actually store is the title of each event and the date at which it occurs, all pictures are accessed directly via their url. NavinoEvans (talk) 23:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The spam filter should be disabled

I personally have never been a fan of the spam filter. While I don't want to construct a WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument here, I have been involved in a number of discussions regarding a bot for NFCC enforcement. Out of all the discussions I have been involved my understanding is that we don't want to automate removal of users good faith additions of non-free images to articles. In a discussion I have been involved in recently it was pointed out to me that we cannot do anything before a violation of the NFCC policy has been made or before users have been pointed to our policy. Yet in this case we preemptively prevent users from making good faith additions. I think that at least established editors should be given the ability to override the spam filter, maybe only in their userspace or something.

To counter an argument that is likely to come up: I understand that adding a link and uploading an image are not the same. Spam bots could add hundreds of links across Misplaced Pages, while the same might not be possible with uploads of non-free images. Still I think preemptively preventing users from adding links in good faith is a bad idea.

(Disclaimer: I fully admit that I am biased against the spam filter and that it has annoyed me on many occasions.) -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:21, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

It is used for a variety of reasons, not least to prevent copyright violations (textual ones). I'd object to this. Dougweller (talk) 14:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

In follow up of your help desk request, I added a request at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#finance.mapsofworld.com. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

@Dougweller My point is that preemptively preventing such violations is a bad idea. I've been involved in similar discussions regarding non-free content. If such violations occur, they should be dealt with, that's out of the question, but preventing everything before a violation has even been committed isn't something I regard as productive or appropriate for an environment that is supposed to be open to editing by (nearly) anyone.

@Uzma Gamal Thanks for making the request you made at MediaWiki, though I personally don't need it anymore right now, as I found a non-blacklisted replacement. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• I don't think you understand the scope of link spamming on Misplaced Pages and WMF projects in general. As an example, do you really want to give anyone the ability to add links to 007footfetishcom? I doubt it. Just take a look at the global lock log and global-block log on meta and you'll see that most of them are for spam. Disabling the spam blacklist is not a good idea. Legoktm (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• We already have automated tools such as User:XLinkBot that automatically remove unwanted external links after they have been added and provide an editor with an explanation of why such links are unwanted. That means all those links will eventually be dealt with. If the bot cannot handle the number of those links, then another one should be made. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• So if we know an edit is bad, your idea is to have the user still make it, and then revert as soon as its done? With that logic we should get rid of the edit filter as well. Additionally, a cross-wiki anti-spam bot is not the right implementation, it's to do it software wise. Legoktm (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, that is pretty much the idea. If an unwanted link is being added, it should be removed and if it is readded, then discussion should take place. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 17:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• How is that any different than the current status? A spam link is added, removed, then added again, then it gets added on the blacklist after it becomes clear that its being used for spamming. Legoktm (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• If a link is found to be inappropriate in context of an article, then this can be resolved by discussion, but making the life of the editors who try to be productive harder than necessary through the blacklist seems counterproductive to me. If a user repeatedly tries to force a particular spam link into an article, then this specific user should be sanctioned. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• XLinkBot does not cover non-article pages, which are occasionally (especially for userpages) spam targets.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Do you mean a user who puts spam links on his/her own userpage? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Yes.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Again, if a particular user does this repeatedly, that user should be warned and sanctioned, but we shouldn't disallow the addition of a link to every page on Misplaced Pages. A link might be inappropriate on one page but appropriate on another one. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Alright lets try this a different way. What's a legitimate usage in Misplaced Pages for the website "007footfetishcom" which I mentioned above? Legoktm (talk) 20:39, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• I don't think there would be any legitimate use of that particular website (at least not in article space). But acknowledging that we are all volunteers, sometimes it might be desirable to save such a link in a draft in userspace, if only to later find a better replacement for it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 22:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Userspace drafts should not contain those links either, why should they?--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

• Maybe if someone is short on time and just wants to collect some links in his userspace to later draft a proper article? For example, when you do a quick Google search and try to save the Google search result links on a draft page, you'll find that if you try to add something like http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=penrose%20tiling&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CHkQFjAL&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstephencollins.net%2Fpenrose%2F&ei=v6j7UPKdGcfDtAaho4GwBA&usg=AFQjCNEveFtm23jWfCYPkCV7YO4sfylx0A&bvm=bv.41248874,d.Yms you can hear the spam filter screaming. That is counterproductive acknowledging that we are all volunteers here, because that means, for example, that if you find yourself just having some spare minutes you cannot say "Hey, I'll do a quick Google search, save the links in my userpace and later check those links for their usability." No. Instead you are forced to click on the Google search result in order to obtain the exact url. And while one might argue it takes less than 5 seconds to click on the result and paste the link from your browsers address bar, if you have to do this 10, 20, 30, 50, 100, ... times, at some point it gets just annoying and this might negatively affect (eventual) content creation. (And yes, I DID try to get that url removed from the blacklist, which was rejected). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

• I don't see your argument here. We only add links to the blacklist because they are either not useful at all, or have been spammed too often. Good-faith users can request exceptions for specific URL's; this is definitely not grounds for disabling the filter altogether, especially since it appears there's only an issue with this specific blacklist entry.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Customized Misplaced Pages bot language, and truly intelligent Misplaced Pages bots

I have looked at WP:BOT, and it seems that Misplaced Pages bots (which I enjoy calling gadgeteer creations) are not actually different than any other kind of bot.

In other words, a bot that is designed to login to your Facebook account and gather statistics about your number of friends is not actually very different from a Misplaced Pages bot that logs into a WikiBot account and reads the number of articles you have edited since last Sunday.

That means, it should be possible to make a unique programming language that has special commands. Special commands designed solely to edit Misplaced Pages, such as addTemplate("Not categorized") or even addTemplate("Questionable notability"), or something like that.

Artificial intelligence can be applied so that the bot would become very clever. I am not sure if anyone has already done this, but it is perfectly possible to make a contributor bot. A bot able to (partly) understand the English language. A bot intelligent enough to see that there are not enough citations. A bot smart enough to browse Google Scholar in order to get more citations. A bot able to draw free-media images and upload them automatically to Commons. Most importantly, a bot that edits Misplaced Pages for real. A bot that can edit Misplaced Pages, not by adding random templates, but by citing its sources, adding real sentences to the article, and then drawing a free-media image that it could upload to Commons and then insert into the article only where the image would be relevant. A bot that is indistinguishable from a human editor.

This is not the point of bots. Bots are supposed to only do automated tasks that would be extremely boring for human Wikipedians to carry out.

However, what if we could have a bot that could write an article better than a human? Find citations more scholarly than those of a human? Draw art (such as explanatory diagrams), save it to a file, and generate freely licensed images for Commons... better than human artists?

It would be an interesting idea.
Welcome to Misplaced Pages. The Misplaced Pages of the robotic age.

Let us assume that you understand computer programming. Why not contribute?

If you want to help, we are probably going to modify a Java-based language of my own design. The language is written using Java, but should feel like Python, Ruby, Lua, and JavaScript. Please contact me for more information.

We also need artificial intelligence experts.

Thank you for reading. Feedback, criticism, and additional questions are welcome. --Carrot Lord (talk) 07:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

How do you know that we are not all already bots? Phil Bridger (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The WP:pywikipedia framework exists for this reason already. --Izno (talk) 16:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Length of featured articles

Welcome. English Misplaced Pages is the first and largest version of Misplaced Pages, but some Featured articles too short and should be reviewed to make the selected articles short (such as meteorological articles selected) good articles --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Can you provide links to the featured articles which you believe to be to short? Yaris678 (talk) 12:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

For example: Meteorology articles --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:07, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide a specific example? Additionally, length is not a FA criteria, nor should it be. However, if you can show an example, and what specifically is missing from it, that would help us assess. Thanks, Resolute 14:26, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

• For criteria: Is not good articles articles with premium content, but is eligible to become featured to limit the size? Permission must be selected review articles to make vignettes good articles
• For identification: All articles featured meteorological short --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 15:08, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

• Once again, please give us the titles of some of these meteorological featured articles that are too short. You can't expect a response when we have to guess which articles you are talking about. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

• Here is a list of FAs by file size (not text). There are a number of short articles on tropical cyclones like Tropical Storm Erick (2007) and Tropical Depression Ten (2005). I know that in certain cases, these short articles have reached GA or FA, but then were merged into the season article. Chris857 (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki article links to WikiVoyage

I looked around for discussion of what I thought certainly had to have been raised already but could not find any. Beg pardon if through lack of skill or experience I'm being redundant or posting in the wrong section. Anyways, it seems to me that just as we have links in the bottom of articles for Commons images and WikiSource texts and so forth, so ought we to have links to our newest project. Observe, at Paris, how the box about sister projects references Paris, Paris, Paris, Paris, Paris, Paris, and Paris, but Paris is relegated to the External Links section. Surely this is in the interest of the community and would hardly take any time at all to be done. 131.211.109.221 (talk) 12:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

We use the links in the left sidebar specifically for versions of the article in other languages. Sister project links are normally under External links. See Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Layout. When you examine Paris, you will find links to sister projects in a neat box using {{sister project links}}. Links to Wikivoyage, Wikidata and Wikispecies are disabled by default, but you can enable it by checking the documentation. --— Gadget850 (Ed) 16:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the response; I was interested in this very box. I see also that there is a brief discussion of this very idea at Template talk:Sister project links. Is there a rationale for disabling WikiVoyage by default? It seems to me that it would be a useful thing to have enabled for ordinary users who don't bother fussing around with the website in ways they don't understand. But then I guess that this discussion should also be carried out at Template talk:Sister project links. 131.211.109.221 (talk) 18:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

There will not be corresponding WikiVoyage articles for most Misplaced Pages articles. --— Gadget850 (Ed) 01:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand. Surely there are not corresponding WikiSource articles for most Misplaced Pages articles, and yet we find means to have a link to the corresponding WikiSource page at Ulysses (novel) and Ulysses (poem) while not at Ulysses. Surely there would be a similar way to have a link to the corresponding WikiVoyage page at Beirut while not at Beirut (band) -- or do I misunderstand, and this is a thing not automatically done, but manually added to every page requiring an interwiki link? 131.211.109.221 (talk) 10:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The MediaWiki software does not automatically detect other language versions (but that is coming soon withWikidata) or sister project articles. I know there are bots that update the language links, but I don't know about sister projects. --— Gadget850 (Ed) 11:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Bot for deleting unreferenced sections that have been tagged for more than a year

Should there be a bot that deletes unreferenced sections that have been tagged with {{Unreferenced section}} for more than a year? --Bob K31416 (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Resolute 01:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Gandydancer (talk) 01:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Anyone else? I'm interested in editors' opinions and ideas concerning this. Negative, positive, or whatever. --Bob K31416 (talk) 02:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

No, a person would need to look at each section to see if it should be removed, not just removed without any review. GB fan 02:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Anyone else? Positive, negative, or whatever. I'm interested in as many opinions and as much explanation as possible. --Bob K31416 (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 03:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)