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Re: 66.192.63.2 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
Hi Scientus! Thanks for the WP:AIV report. At WP:AIV we normally only handle blocks of users where all three of these conditions are met: 1) The user or ip has received a series of escalating warnings informing them that their vandalism may result in a block; 2) They vandalized after a final (i.e. level four) warning, and 3) the vandalism was within an hour or so of the report to WP:AIV. It's not an exact science though. I will block for a single nasty defamatory edit against a living person, for example, as will many admins. In any event, the ip you reported has not even edited today, so the WP:AIV report was not acted on. Note that we generally only block ips for 1 or 2 days because ip addresses can roam around; different people at different times are assigned the same ip address. This also means when looking at old vandalism of an ip, it's not unlikely it's a completely different person now, so reporting an ip for old vandalism is not fruitful. Your heart was in the right place though:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- Im not challenging your decision, however I would like to note that this is the same person, as he/she has made the same or similar edits to David Souter about 10 times in the last 6 months.
Re Linus' Law
Rather than edit warring on Linus's Law itself, I was wondering if you could explain why you felt the need to remove my tags? I feel that both of those tags are fair additions to an article that is currently good but not great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanowolf (talk • contribs) 07:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Generally I favor fixing articles rather than adding meta templates, especially when an article does have some citations that are good and conflicts are unlikely.Scientus (talk) 08:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. As it is, I have no problems with your recent removal of the quotes in question. Perhaps someone will visit the Maslow's hierarchy of needs connection later. Nanowolf (talk) 08:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Referenceing
Hi Scientus, Thanks for taking the time to improve the free content article. It may be an idea to read up on how to use citations on wiki (WP:CITE), you need to find a source, not just a quote or title from different articles on wiki! As an aside, some countries have a different concept of what is eligible for copyright. See Telstra v Desktop Marketing Systems. User A1 (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- when you cite a court case, even if it is a link, it is also a citation of the law. This is how the majority of legal pages do it, and is common outside wikipedia.
- yes please put more globalized information, or take it out if this is too general of a place for itScientus (talk) 11:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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- Hi. Please also see this related discussion. Thanks. —Willscrlt ( “Talk” ) 08:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Blocked
I've blocked you for 12h for edit warring at Office Open XML and, my pet peeve, gratuitously labelling other peoples edits as vandalism William M. Connolley (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Stop vandalising the Office Open XML and Microsoft articles
You have been repeatedly removing information from the Office open XML article about community sites that support Office open XML
It is obvious these sites support Office Open XML even in the names of the sites themselves:
http://openxmldeveloper.org/ http://www.openxmlcommunity.org
Added to that the sites themselves provide statements that the sites support Office Open XML which is exactly as the Office Open XML wikipedia article states they do.
You claim false reasons for removal of the information. For instance a conflict of interest where of course there is non, as the sites stating they support Office Open XML and the article also stating that the sites are there for supporting Office Open XML is for all to see easily. Also false claims on verifiabilty as the sites are very obvious in their info about providing support for Office open XML and the provided info can be used as verifiable sources as described in WP:SELFPUB where it is clearly confirmed that self publicated references can be used as verifiable sources.
- As is discussed and agreed to at Talk:Office_Open_XML#MS self-published, you have attempted to hide the identities of these sites as Microsoft-run promotional sites. You have done so to create the illusion that these sites are 3rd-party are are somehow "responses" to OOXML. This idea that they are "responses" is a fase, as they are published by Microsoft, the same company that created the standard, there is a word for this sort of action, and its called sockpuppetry.
- Furthurmore you cite WP:SELFPUB, but fail to read it. Notice its rules
- the material is not unduly self-serving;
- it does not involve claims about third parties;
- it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
- there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
- the article is not based primarily on such sources.
- Scientus (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You have also been repeatedly removing clearly sourced information on the Microsoft article. For instance:
Article: Microsoft has phased out the use of polyvinyl chloride plastic in its packaging material, due to environmental concerns Source: Microsoft, in response to environmental concerns, will phase out all use of polyvinyl chloride plastic by the end of the year, the software giant announced Wednesday
- Source: "Microsoft is joining other industry titans such as Apple Computer, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Sony, Sharp and Samsung that have recently taken steps to eliminate their use of polyvinyl chloride plastics, otherwise known as PVC or vinyl, in the packaging of their products."
- yet you consistently remove from the Article: "following action by competitors"Scientus (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
and
Article: Microsoft's newest building on its campus in Hyderabad, India was built as an environmentally friendly structure Source: Microsoft opened the doors to Building 2 on our new campus in Hyderabad, India. Building 2 is a state-of-the-art building that incorporates sound environmental design and furniture made by local Indian companies
- "sound environmental design" != "environmentally friendly". In fact "sound environmental design" could mean almost anything, as is to vague to be citable in any matter-of-fact way. Also, how reliable is http://greencorporateamerica.blogspot.com ? The publisher has no name, no street address, and it is posted in a free blog. Furthurmore, none of the blog posts have any sources, and there are no comments to any posts. This is clearly not a Misplaced Pages:reliable source, it is a pulp mill.Scientus (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Please stop from removing this fully sourced information. hAl (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC
- Please stop adding unsourced information, and information from sites with conflicts of interest and hiding their identify, and unverifiable sources.Scientus (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Violence against supporters of abortion rights
I think you messed up with the title Violence against supporters of abortion rights. I personally think that title is a bit verbose, but that aside, don't you mean opponents, not supporters? The way the title reads to me is the opposite of what is in the article (pro-life claims that pro-choicers can be violent). -Andrew c 13:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oh yes, so many double negatives I screwed up. the "pro-abortion" was simply wrong however. How about "abortion rights violence"? "pro-choice violence"? "violence by supporters of abortion rights", i think the last is least POV.--nah cause its ambiouous of _why_ the action is happening. how about "Violence in support of abortion rights"? I guess none of these are very good and it can go back, as it is claiming there are some who are pro-abortion. Scientus (talk)
Edit warring by user:Scientus and disruptive editting by user:scientus
You have been repeatly been reverting edits on my talk page.
Examples:
It seems you are intent on edit warring against me. You should mayby be reminded that I can keep reverting your edit on my own talk page as much as I want as ones own personal user talk pages is exempt from the 3RR rules. You however have already been breaching the rules not just on my talk page but also on the Office Open XML article several times.
You behaviour on my talk page and on the Office Open XML aticle as discussed in Talk:Office_Open_XML#Vandalism and edit warring by User:Scientus also qualifies as tendentious and disruptive editing as per WP:Disruptive editing showing disruptive deletions and distruptive cite-tagging and lack of consensus building where as your action on my talk page are part of Campaign to drive away prodcutive contributors
I strongly suggest you stop your edit warring and disruptive editing on the Office Open XML article immediatly. hAl (talk) 11:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: Ribbon
Actually, sorry for reversions, but its because mainly, of the non-free content criteria. I do not consider it vandalism because I only count bad-faith changes as vandalism. But anyway, if there is a free content illustration of a subject, non-free images are not allowed for it. The usage of it in Office 2007 is notable because it was the primary implementation. The Bluefish screenshot illustrates the same content as the Homesite screen so I believe removal of it will not affect the reader's understanding. ViperSnake151 Talk 00:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK, that is reasonable. But when discussing legal matters I do believe it is a clear fair use. Soory, your edit was in good faity, and i should WP:AGF. The problem with the Bluefish is that it may not be early enough to be prior art, so should not be given that description without some research. For these reasons the Homesite picture is irreplaceable in this context. I do believe non-free content use should be minimized. Scientus (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know, but...I may put it back...subject to a potential IFD discussion. ViperSnake151 Talk 01:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
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Health care in the United States
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Why do you feel so free to make claims about the source and percentages of research funding in health care? I would agree (though I have no evidence-- nor have you submitted any) that NIH is probably key in basic research. However there is a research and development pipeline and as you move towards the market this gets increasingly biased towards corporations. Can we agree on that? Mrdthree (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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Health care reform in the United States
Thanks for investing the time and energy to clean up the arguments-for-and-against section of this article. It's been a mess for awhile. I personally found it too much to parse through to bring it more in keeping with the core content policies, but minor quibbles aside, you've made fairly quick work of it, which is definitely appreciated. So, thank you. ... Kenosis (talk) 04:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Please be bold and change those things that you find issue with.Scientus (talk) 05:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Understood. Scientus (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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Not sure why you reopened this , but the issue had been resolved already ,.TVC 15 (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- Just because I was leaving a note on that same page. I'm caught up now, and do not raise issue. Scientus (talk) 08:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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User talk:HAl
Hello Scientus. It is probably better not to continue an editorial dispute on the talk page of somebody who is blocked. Regarding the Office Open XML article, I see that an RfC is running, which is good, but it does not seem wise for you to keep on reverting the article before editors on the talk page have arrived at a consensus. User:Ghettoblaster has apparently been reverting as well. If people aren't willing to wait for a consensus, admins might step in with full protection for the article. EdJohnston (talk) 03:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- The only edit to the article I did was unreverting the undiscussed, and wholesale revert done by user:Ghettoblaster . Ghettoblaster is always the first, and usually the only user to defend HAl. I am waiting for discussion, but for Ghettoblaster to revert all of HAl's edit wars, and do so against consensus, without reason, and without discussion was not appropriate.
- while I understand that HAl is currently blocked, I do not see why this should stop discussion. I was mearly responding to HAl's comments in showing that those he accuses to be dominating the article have been denied even a mention of their positions repeatedly by user:HAl. It wasn't meant to reopen any discussion.
- I have no problem with a editing the article civilly, but Ghettoblaster's wholesale revert was not with consensus nor even discussed, and went against a number of established consensus's.Scientus (talk) 03:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- Neither you nor Ghettoblaster gets any credit for reverting before a talk page discussion is finished. You would show more respect for consensus by not reverting at all. One way to stop the revert-happy participants would be to impose a rule of one revert per person per week. EdJohnston (talk) 04:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
3RR note.
Please take care on the Alan Grayson article, you are on the verge of a 3RR report, ta. Off2riorob (talk) 12:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Most are not actually reverts.Scientus (talk) 12:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Any alteration to a good faith edit from another user is a revert, please take a little time to read the revert article WP:3RR , ta. Off2riorob (talk) 12:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- First: I have made some reverts. But “Any alteration to a good faith edit from another user is a revert,″ would apply to _every edit_ besides the inclusion of new content. This is not correct. Also “The three-revert rule does not apply to self-reverts, reverts within a user's own user space, or reverts of obvious vandalism, banned users, copyright violations or libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced controversial material which violates the policy on biographies of living persons.”Scientus (talk) 13:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I would say that you have already broken 3RR, this is just a warning to take it easy, the talkpage is the place to go, reverting something because you don't like it is not the way to edit, ta. Off2riorob (talk) 13:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- But “Any alteration to a good faith edit from another user is a revert,″ would apply to _every edit_ besides the inclusion of new content.
- And attacking me with a 3rd person remark, “reverting something because you don't like it is not the way to edit”, does not help.Scientus (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- yes, tell me to take it easy, but don't passively-aggressively threaten me. Please.Scientus (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, you have got it, you can add as much as you want all day every day, no problem. If you don't like the wording of something that another editor has inserted and you change the wording that is a revert.Off2riorob (talk) 13:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- I am not here to attack you, but to help you. I have also left 3RR notes at the other two editors involved. Off2riorob (talk) 13:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I just read that, sorry, I should WP:AGF. However, I do think your comments could be stated clearer.Scientus (talk) 13:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- For exmaple, this, which was due to my misspelling.
- yes, tell me to take it easy, but don't passively-aggressively threaten me. Please.Scientus (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
You just made this revert, are you joking? Off2riorob (talk) 13:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- After I warned you about your edits to the Grayson article you have again reverted, I will ask you to revert it. Off2riorob (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I have reported you at the 3RR board here. ta. Off2riorob (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
FYI
A page you have been involved in editing is under discussion here. ta. Off2riorob (talk) 12:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Your input is desired
Please go to: Talk:Alan Grayson#POV. We're reaching a consensus and I'd like your input! Thanks A8UDI talk 16:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Yes, I understand this. I just see the image as adding alot because it is clear. It also doesn't declare percentages, so its really itsself, and cannot be recreated in text. Also, before there were numbers that put Linux much lower that are highly questionable. Microsoft has no incentive to overestimate Linux market share, so their number should at least be considered the lower bound.Scientus (talk) 04:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Why can't we recreate a free image of the pie charts? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- Because we have no idea what the numbers are that go into it. We would be taking a wild guess.Scientus (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Templates
Hi Scientus, I find that it is better to leave people that have a couple of thousand edits a friendly note rather than a newbie template, especially if you are in dispute with that editor, unnecessary templates only serve to increase tension. (IMO) Off2riorob (talk) 12:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- One of your reverts has again been reverted and in an attempt to stop this tit for tat editing, a discussion has been started here on the talk page, I look forward to your joining in there, regards to you. Off2riorob (talk) 16:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
OOXML editing
I've removed the COI tag from the Office Open XML article, as it was transparently being used as an ad hominem attack on an editor you disagree with. Please consider whether treating the article as a battleground is really likely to get the best result; an editor who caused several years of disruption on articles in that domain has been removed from the equation, and I'd rather not have to go through the same steps to prevent tendicious editing from editors on the other side of the debate. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
- I am glad that the article has stabilized.Scientus (talk) 00:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Health care in the United States, article lead
I apologize for my haste with the article lead last week. Previously there was a user who argued that the lead was imbalanced in that it offered too many negative aspects of health care in the US, and that for the sake of balancing positive with negative we ought make the observation about US companies' global leadership in medical product and pharmaceutical R&D which was sourced to documents produced by their European competitors. I'd thought we should keep the note about US pharmaceutical companies in the article lead as that user had advocated, with some modifications I and others made earlier so as to not to include any puffery but instead keep it a straightforward statement about US companies' leadership in this area, leaving the details to the section on medical product R&D.
..... But that was before the reliable sources were brought to my attention indicating that an extremely high percentage of this leadership (well over half) consists of lifestyle drugs and the like, while conspicuously neglecting many critical areas of disease that widely affect impoverished populations (including right within the US). This is in addition to the RSs' showing that substantially more is spent on marketing than on R&D (which would almost require a statement in the lead that US companies also spend far more on marketing than their overseas competitors, and probably also require yet additional material to achieve NPOV). In light of these issues which severely complicate the analysis of what's meant by "global leader", your approach of removing the brief statement about pharmaceutical R&D from the lead seems very reasonable to me. ... Kenosis (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
grayson
Please do not mass edit the article without discussion, please use the talk page. Off2riorob (talk) 10:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Please do not edit war over the article, use the talk page to discuss your issues. Off2riorob (talk) 10:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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Scientus, you're free to continue to fill my discussion page with frivelous comments, but it's a waste of the both of our time. Please try to concentrate on improving articles instead. Trilemma (talk) 04:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
- Trilemma, you continue to fill my talk page with frivolous (note spelling) whining, and it's a waste of my time. Please stop tenaciously editing without reason, as it is certainly not improving the article. Scientus (talk) 07:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Scientus, please stop littering my talk page with messages. If you do so again, I will file an arbitration report. Trilemma (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have filed a complaint against you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_Editing_and_User_Talk_page_abuse_by_Scientus Trilemma (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have additionally filed a sock puppet complaint against you. It is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Scientus Trilemma (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have filed a complaint against you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_Editing_and_User_Talk_page_abuse_by_Scientus Trilemma (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- Scientus, please stop littering my talk page with messages. If you do so again, I will file an arbitration report. Trilemma (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Re: Improper use of minor edit, false claim of non WP:RS
The edit in question happened on October 5. I haven't even touched the article in at least a month. Not sure why you're still hung up about it? Perhaps it's time to turn the computer off for a little while, go outside, and maybe see some sunlight? Dr. Cash (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Warning 3RR on User talk:Trilemma
Please stop reverting on User talk:Trilemma, it is his talkpage and he is allowed to remove anything he wants from there. Off2riorob (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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No reason given for block, what edits? What discussion?
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You were told at 17:38, December 4, to stop reverting the talk page of User:Trilemma. At 18:48, December 4 you reverted it two more times, after you were told to stop. Additionally, it appears you have been edit warring at Alan Grayson, having reverted the article several times in the past 2 days,something you were specifically told to stop doing two weeks ago. As this block request does not address either of these problems, I see no reason to unblock you.Jayron32 20:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, please enumerate which aspects of my contribution to the Trusted Computing page were not factual or fair, or are biased. You state that you removed my contribution to "Trusted Computing" because you believe it constitutes advertising or promotional material. In fact I did my best to constructively improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of trusted computing, describing even the controversy and leaving all previous criticism untouched, because I am an expert in trusted computing. I followed Misplaced Pages's guidelines, even posting a draft of my contribution before changing the main page. I hear comments from newcomers interested in trusted computing that the previous version, which you have reinstated, does not satisfy their curiosity. It does not describe the context or development of trusted computing, or adequately describe the essential features of the technology, or the technical problems, or both sides of the controversy surrounding trusted computing, or even why the technology is called trusted computing. Please respond either here or on my talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Walklooker, where you posted your orginal comment. Walklooker (talk) 12:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Scientus, I am given to understand that it is unreasonable to expect a prompt response in Misplaced Pages discussions. In the meantime, however, please note that I have posted additional information on the talk page of “Trusted Computing”.Walklooker (talk) 10:34, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Scientus, I would appreciate a more constructive engagement than this, in order to assist in the development of a better description of Trusted Computing for Misplaced Pages. Please describe the parts of the revamp that you consider to constitute advertising and promotional material, in order that I will be better able to address your concerns. I will also assemble authoritative sources that support my factual description of trusted computing technology, although I do not have time to do that immediately. Walklooker (talk) 13:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Govtrack
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Linux, GNU, etc.
Please bring up the changes you want to make on the talk page for the Linux article - the existence of an operating system called "Linux" is already hotly debated there, and the consensus so far is that "Linux" is any operating system using the Linux kernel - including Android, WebOS, and other distributions which aren't GNU/Linux operating systems. strcat (talk) 05:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- I understand those systems do not have the GNU userland, but they still use the GNU C compiler and toolchain. Android is built with gcc, just because they don't need it, or even libc, to run, is inconsequential to the projects dependence on the C toolcain. (oh course clang might be moving on changing this) I was well conscious of this when making the change.Scientus (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- The Linux kernel is of course coded in GNU C, but it has been successfully compiled with clang as of October 2010 (and almost all other packages in most distributions can also be built with clang), although patches are required to build recent kernels (I think it can also be built with icc). I'm not aware of any publicly available Linux distribution using a compiler other than gcc to build binary packages, but there are source-based distributions like Gentoo that provide a choice, so GCC is not an essential part of the system (although the GNU userland/toolchain were essential to the creation of Linux and for all distributions until pretty recently, which is covered in History of Linux). strcat (talk) 06:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
By the way, I do agree that the article places too much weight on the kernel and not enough on the userland and toolchain, but I think that's just a result of making an article about something that doesn't really exist. Linux is a kernel, not an operating system (the distributions are operating systems). GNU, WebOS, Android, Ubuntu, etc. could stand alone and just refer to the Linux kernel page. However, the common non-technically accurate usage of the term Linux does actually refer to an operating system so there are plenty of references that can be used to justify the existence of the article. strcat (talk) 07:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- an argument could be made that GNU/Linux is an operating system with a definite history and progression, unlike "Linux" as an OS---distributions of GNU/Linux have generally traced along similar projections even with core software, and are constantly incorporating the other's software (and improvements through upstreams)---in this way "Linux" when not referring to the kernel almost becomes a adjective--"inclusive of the linux kernel"--even if compiled with llvm/clang such an opertating system would ostensibly be GNU/Linux-- (it would likely still include GNOME, the ld/gold linker, and much more FSF held software), and of course be part of a continum of gradual piece-by-piece development unlike, for example, android, which makes no attempt to be compatible with the GNU/Linux heritage of POSIX operating systems. There is of course a bit of a grey area here with other embedded systems then, usually using busybox---as you move in this direction you just tend towards POSIX and the fact that glibc and the Linux kernel are very influential on features...still think the article should say _much_ less about the kernel---it's almost as if the real topic is useful (i.e. non-research) FOSS self-hosting operating systems. (and their persuit)---the BSD's show up on the FSF's page on distributions for example.--making an explicit point of having this the topic, which avoids any API/package promotion besides convention/popularity, I think could be quite an improvement to the article.Scientus (talk) 07:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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- info was put back, under expat (MIT) license, which was explicitely made clear in the article. (in comment)Scientus (talk) 07:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hi. I'm afraid that we can't accept text licensed under MIT. As per WP:COMPLIC, we are only permitted to accept content that is compatible with CC-By-SA. Because MIT requires that a copy of itself be attached, it is not.
- Simply including a copy of the license right next to the material in a html comment (downloaded along with) would satisfy this requirement and is perfectly compatible.Scientus (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Since we have to treat this quote like all non-free content due to the incompatible license, we do have to use it transformatively, which means that we need to add enough content of our own to substantiate our usage as "adding something new". Since there was previously an article there (which used the text as well but didn't even bother noting that it did) that was PRODded, I've restored the history and taken what free text I could find to expand yours, truncating the quote.
- But this does raise the issue that those who PRODded it may find it still does not meet notability and may choose to nominate it for deletion. If you have any other sources to add to alleviate those concerns, it might be a good idea. I'm required to notify the nominators that the article has been restored. --Moonriddengirl 11:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Unexplained deletion
Please do not remove cited material with no explanation, as you did here. This particularly applies to an entry such as this one, that is supported with a reliable source. Unless you have very solid grounds for deleting material like this, you should discuss the matter on the talk page before deleting it. --Epipelagic (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not a long list of non-relevent examples, especially when part of WP:SOAP, even when such soap takes place outside of wikipedia.Scientus (talk) 07:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- That is a seriously inappropriate response. You didn't even examine the source, did you! --Epipelagic (talk) 07:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Removal of text from Cloud Computing article
"Within limits, cloud users can consume any amount of these resources without having first to acquire servers or other computing equipment." "I almost feel I should leave similarly horribly-written (and wrong) stuff as it serves as a warning of the how "cloud" is only a marketing term....."
- This statement that you removed is a key characteristic and differentiator of cloud computing. It is the on-demand scalability that provides a tremendous advantage of cloud versus dedicated equipment. I cannot see what is horribly written about this. This is a fact for basically all large cloud providers.
Your removal of the statement about SLAs (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Cloud_computing&oldid=474850376)
- If you think it is not appropriate for the intro, then do not simply delete but move the content to where it belongs.
"A parallel to this concept can be drawn with the electricity grid, wherein end-users consume power without needing to understand the component devices or infrastructure required to provide the service. !-- per consensus on talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Cloud_computing&oldid=349182637#The_lead.27s_first_sentence --"
- This text has been the consensus based on an extensive discussion. Please do not simply wipe away. Please respect those people who see good reasons in this type of statements. This is an analogy. An analogy serves the purpose to make a concept easy to understand to the reader - in this case to illustrate the abstract nature of cloud services. An analogy is never perfect. The fact that an analogy does not cover all charateristics of a concept is not a reason to wipe it out.
Thank you for your understanding --Bikeborg (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Secure Digital
The text you deleted did seem like an ad for a software product, though it might be relevant for the article to note that such products exist. Following this to the article on Tuxera, that also reads like a puff piece, as one newbie commented on its talk page last year. Spike-from-NH (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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