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Regarding Folding Legs

Dear Drmies, I am reaching out to you regarding a page for the band Folding Legs. In the past, a few fans of the band were careless in their approach to creating the page, and ultimately it resulted in the name 'Folding Legs' getting "salted" on Misplaced Pages by you. Understandably so. Being a big fan of the band, I want to attempt to rectify these past wrongdoings. I have therefore created a page for Folding Legs in my sandbox, and would highly appreciate your guidance in getting the page eventually made live when ready (as I am aware that only an Administrator has the ability to do that as long as the name is salted). Since you are the one that salted the name, I feel it would only be fair of you to let someone new get a chance to make this right under your supervision. Please take a look at the page in my sandbox, feel free to make adjustments and give me pointers on my talk page. I appreciate your help! Thank you and best wishes. Tailtrap (talk) 06:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I've moved it to Folding Legs. Two things, though: I looked through and searched that German magazine but could not find them mentioned, let alone "featured" (they are certainly not "featured" in there). Also, I don't see how the band is notable by our standards yet--it may well be that it gets nominated for deletion of some kind or other. Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 14:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Dear Drmies, I am sincerely grateful for your help! It means a lot to me. Let's see if the article is allowed to stay up, I sure hope so, I appreciate your help either way. Regarding the German magazine, they are indeed featured in there but I understand it may be a little difficult to find the page. You follow the link I have listed (http://issuu.com/cosimabucarelli/docs/horstundedeltrautansicht/1) and hit "Click to Read" in the center of the magazine image (which enlarges the magazine and makes it easier to browse in the issue). Then, from the bottom menu, pan right until you see page 34-35 listed, then click that. You'll see the "Young Creatives" section, and in it Folding Legs is clearly featured on page 35. Thank you for taking the time to look over my article! Best wishes. Tailtrap (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
      • OK I found it--thanks. Yes, I wouldn't call that featured--it's only half a page. But it's the kind of thing that you can add as a reference, which I just did, with apologies to the rest of the world for the awful phrasing. Problem is, it's real short, and it's an interview, so whatever is said is said by the group itself, lessening its authoritative status. Keep on finding those sources, though. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Zigman

Updated DYK queryOn 14 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Laura Zigman, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that chick lit author Laura Zigman once described herself as a lonely loser? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Laura Zigman.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 15:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Skin Industries

Just rewrote the Skin Industries article on the Skin industries talk page. Is this acceptable since its just a quick company bio? Thanks Seanmrivers (talk) 23:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Sean, it shouldn't have been there at all. I moved it to User:Seanmrivers/sandbox--and I did you a favor, since anyone else would have deleted it as either commercial or dependent on a non-existing article page. If I had to judge it, I would not let it stand, no. Your best shot is to see how other articles on similar topics are done (and don't pick the bad ones), and to find better references. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Re your comment on my page

Do you think I am being too hot and heavy with the reverts? Or are you suggesting I "get a life" :) and do some real work? I definately spend much time with Huggle, though I do seem to be slacking off a bit. Thanks again for cleaning up my AIV 'mess'. Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd gladly "get a life", but I have a wife. It is the anniversary of my funeral this week, so I'm down in the dumps. To get a life, I've tried a hitman, car "accident" and setting her up on dates with guys who are rich or handsome. But thanks to your talk page and Drmies, I can do a Jiffman and actually have sex this weekend... boy now I'm more depressed. Bgwhite (talk) 07:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm never going to get a life, 'cause I'll never live that down! Jim1138 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Does everyone have my talk page on their watch list? :) Jim1138 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I didn't, but I'm now a stalker now. After such great talk conversation as User_talk:Jim1138#A block, how can one not be a stalker? Drmies' talk page is getting boring. He is just too busy with Dancing Mothers and Toddlers & Tiaras. Besides, I'm out to get Drmies. Bgwhite (talk) 08:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Jim, there was some talk about you running for office--that's what my suggestion was referring to. You said somewhere else "I've added about 600 counts in the last 24 hours", which is great, and typically your edits are very good, but if you wish to climb the greasy pole (MF's words) you'll need to prove that you can do more than Huggle or Twinkle the world into submission: you need article content, even if you intend to use the tools in the fields in which you've been working. You will be asked whether you can judge decent writing if you run into it, and you will be expected to have a commitment to article writing and content contribution. So--write articles. You're not unlike Calabe1992, also a great cleaner, but I see Calabe more often at ANI (and usually positively) than I see you, I think. An admin must mediate and show balance and diplomacy as well as a sharp eye for vandalism, and there really isn't a screaming shortage of admins blocking vandals or deleting trash anyway.

    Right now toolserver is not working with me, so I can't see article creation for you (or Calabe), but that would be a category people would look at. BTW, if you aren't interested, my apologies for wasting time and electrons. As for the other thing: keep practicing--don't throw your back out. Check if Jiffman has email enabled, if you need advice. Yuk! Drmies (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

    • I would say that I am not ready for admin responsibilities. Maybe with much work. Not that I don't want to be, just don't seem to have the talent for writing. I might be more useful developing Huggle. Suggestions are always welcome! Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 07:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool hand

I just ran into User:Cool Angel. I saw your messages on their talk page. Been on Misplaced Pages a day and already doing New Page Patrol. I've cleaned up their messes and left a talk message. I'll try and look in, but..... Bgwhite (talk) 07:29, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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The Hard Worker Barnstar

The Hard Worker Barnstar
I am happy to award you this special barnstar in recognition of performing 100,000 edits (according to what I consider to be the "official" count). Thanks again for all of your hard work! Your contributions are very valuable to Misplaced Pages and are much appreciated! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you Mandarax. I can't hold a candle to your count or usefulness, and I really appreciate your ongoing mentoring. Somewhere there's an invitation for you and the Lady to come have a beer and hang out poolside. This afternoon I built a pond for the goldfish (which I might as well call koi, even though they're from Walmart); you can sit beside it and listen to the water gurglegurglegurgle. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Woah, that is a landmark of sorts. The edits, that is. I am unsure why you would want to construct a pond when you have a pool. Skip the water treatment, throw the fish in there and also a few bits of coral etc ... and pretend that you are in some exotic place. I mean, if you were in some exotic place and swimming then you would still be moving through the piscine detritus, so what difference does having it in a pool make? But then I know nothing about pools, which probably have pumps and filters and things - but fighting the drag of which would surely keep them healthy? - Sitush (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Emopoop

  • Years ago, when Mrs. Drmies was expecting number two, I got a fish tank so she could sit in front of it and chill. It was a ten-gallon tank and I got two little goldfish from Walmart. One died that same evening--the other is now (three years later) the size of a grown man's hand. I hate him. His name is Emopoop. The tank got all green and nasty; Emo eats the cute fish I buy and he shits so much that it's impossible to keep the tank clean.

    So, I bought a new ten-gallon tank, moved the three little fishes, and bought five neon tetras. What I had left was a filthy green tank with two goldfish in it. Apparently, I can't feed them to the cat, and I don't want them in the house--so I bought a 30-gallon pond, dug a huge hole, put a pump in it, and dropped the fishies in there today. Does that answer your question? Again, if I could have just killed them I would have enjoyed my spring break, but my daughter was just too sad at me for that. Oh, she did suggest throwing Emopoop in the pool, but that beast's turds are three inches long. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Ah. Well, at least you got some exercise. It strikes me that anthropomorphism is the crux of this issue. Stop giving fish names: they do not respond to the things and the lack of names makes it easier to disconnect the emotions. Although with young children even that probably doesn't work. My sympathies. I am tempted to do some comparative research, though, and may just slope off to measure the length of my ... - Sitush (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, I'm sure your goldfish is big enough, Sitush. Yes, I never named the damn fish. And I don't have emotions for Emo, except for hate (he once at six neon tetras in one night, the bastard). Drmies (talk) 01:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I had never heard of Neon tetras until this thread. Having seen the photo on the article, well, they look rather pretty and certainly more so than most goldfish that I have ever seen, even if I stick with the standard deviation and disregard the goldfish-shark hybrid-on-steroids horror that you appear to have acquired. But fish generally do not make me relax: I want them to do something, not wander around in what appears to be some random manner. They can't fetch a ball like a dog, amuse you like the haughty-friendliness of a cat, or amaze you with the patterns that exist in the seeming chaos of the flight of bees, etc. I am obviously a hyperactive philistine. - Sitush (talk) 01:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, fish are totally boring, I agree. BTW, neon tetras--they say--and fish like that are sometimes injected with fluorescent paint. Nice, huh. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Emopoop. I'm sure glad I just didn't drink something, because it would be all over my laptop. I got a fish tank in the 3rd quarter of the 6th or 7th grade. The quarter before, my grades were 3.7 or there about. I stared so much at the tank my grades for 3rd quarter fell to 2.0. Neon tetra, X-ray tetra, Bleeding heart tetra and what fish that ate the algea were my favourites. The best part about fish tanks is cleaning them... having to empty some of the water while vacuuming up the crap at the bottom require a siphon hose. Nothing says yum like not getting the hose into the bucket in time and taking a nice gulp of fish poop water. Bgwhite (talk) 06:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Haha Bg, there is a trick. Wanna know? put your thumb on one end of the hose, and hold the other under the tap--then fill it up and walk gently to make sure it's still full when you stick the one end in the tank. I was so proud of myself when I discovered that. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • "Emopoop" - there's enough description above that the end of that is obvious, but I'm still trying to work out how exactly a fish can be emo. Does it wear all black and put on heavy eye makeup? LadyofShalott 02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

<--Well, he threatened to take a gun to a school (of tiger barbs) while whining about how "Personal Jesus" was so much better than "Jesus Christ Pose". Also, someone had been watching a certain movie a couple of million times... Besides that, he looks like a regular goldfish, only he's the size and weight of a McFish with extra pickles. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Trip to the UK

Do you remember my comment some time not too long ago regarding the likely closure of Dutch language studies at Cambridge, UK? And how much you would like to spend a year over this side of the pond if you were still young/free of responsibility? Well, just to rub your nose in it, here's what you are missing: the menu for a dinner at my college that will take place in June & to which I am invited.

  • Aperitifs: Vintage champagne; sherry
  • First course: Warmed mixed artisan rolls & butter; courgette and petits pois soup; parmesan ice-cream; black pepper tuille biscuit
  • Second course: Fillet of plaice filled with smoked salmon and spinach mousse; lime brown butter; vintage white wine
  • Third course: Roast quail with wild mushrooms and shallots; Merlot jus; beetroot rosti; selection of steamed summer vegetables; vintage red wine
  • Fourth course: White chocolate and raspberry parfait; rose syrup
  • Fifth course: Canapé Lucifer
  • Sixth course: Coffee; Dessert; Vintage Claret, Port and Sweet wine (ie: Dessert wine); cigars

All this to be served in a 700 year old, oak paneled room with original stained glass windows, umpteen-hundred year old paintings etc Work on the basis of US$2 = 1 UKP, and have a guess at what that lot is going to cost me. The price may tempt you, even if the idea of ice-cream with soup does not! - Sitush (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, "vintage" red wine, that sounds odd and pedantic at the same time. But this sounds great, Sitush--strange, though, my e-ticket hasn't arrived yet. Yes, I'd love to spend a year or two there. If I were a real scholar I might put in for a grant, but I'm just a hopeless dabbler. Hey, while you're there, break a lance for Dutch and for Old English... Enjoy! Drmies (talk) 13:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, a little confused.

Drmies, I admit with some shame that there was some vandalism of Brownback's page. It won't happen again. But it seemed to me like the sentence about sales tax was totally fine. It is true, it was in the local paper today, because I live in Kansas. So I was wondering to myself why that fell under the blanket of vandalism. (Wyvern of Krakow (talk) 01:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC))

  • That's the thing with reverting vandalism: one sometimes paints with a broad brush. You know I almost blocked you indefinitely for having a vandalism-only account. But I'll take your question seriously and go through the three edits you made:
  1. The statement that he wants to eliminate sales tax is of great encyclopedic value, but the "it has been noticed" part (those are what are called "weasel words") suggest criticism--of the unverified kind--or, if it was in the paper, it may have been in en editorial comment or a letter to the editor. (Mind you, the existing text reads like something his re-election committee would say, and I'm about to clean it up some.)
  2. "Anyway" isn't really an encyclopedic term, since it suggest something that comments on facts rather then reports them.
  3. This you cannot do, and it made me wonder if you had anything to do with this edit.

Here's the deal, Wyvern--verified information on his position on taxes, and even criticism of such positions, is acceptable if published in a reliable source, and in the case of criticism, it has to be more than a letter to the editor, for instance. Now, the article is semi-protected, which means that you will be able to edit it as soon as you pick up a couple of acceptable edits, enough to become "auto-confirmed" (an electronic measure of trust, I guess). Oh, one more thing: I have no love for Sam Brownback and his anachronistic positions, but I'm not here to proclaim my left-leaning sensitivities. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC) 

      Thanks for the help, and not blocking me. (Wyvern of Krakow (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC))

Mind your manners

Ditto. Bjmullan (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You mean, "Ditto", right? Dido is a singer. Doc talk 09:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Doc, I've changed it :) Bjmullan (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
You outed someone. That's harassment. It's a bad thing to do, and to whine when you're caught makes it even worse. Don't do it again, BJ. PS, Doc, there's a more important Dido--Dido (Queen of Carthage). Worthwhile reading. Drmies (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Two wrongs don't make a right, never call me anything other the bjmullan again. Bjmullan (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes massa. I need a warning template for comma splices... Drmies (talk) 13:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

blocked sock

Please take a look at Alprazolam, Temazepam and many more. Blocked User:Sebastian80 editing as IP. Also previously active as User:VeronicaPR and User:Thegoodson. Introduces hard to spot misrepresentations of refs, changes numbers and dates to values unsupported by ref, vandalism by introducing systematic and hard to find errors deliberately. Has previously been blocked indefinitely for this. 70.137.157.88 (talk) 09:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Great thanks for looking into this. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations

If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.

This user has been awarded with the 100000 Edits award.
```Buster Seven Talk 10:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Impressed! (I missed it the first time.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Talk:Cape cobra/GA1

Thanks for letting me know. I'll drop a line on the WikiProject talk page, and close the review if no one's interested. J Milburn (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes. I was looking at some of the other participants in another one of his GA reviews (Black Mamba) but I think Casliber already has enough on his plate. Hey, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news--you put in a lot of work, and I hope it won't go to waste. Drmies (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, don't worry about it. If it doesn't work out, I'll consider closing the review, putting a few hours into the article myself and then renominating- I've done that before, to varying degrees of success! J Milburn (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Email

Sorry, I can't access my email until later this afternoon, so I'm not sure how much help I'll be with the mass rollback. --Jezebel'sPonyo 16:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I was able to undo any of the sock edits that we're still listed as "top" in the contributions. Rollback won't work on any articles where someone has edited since the sock account, so you may have to manually check and undo those particular edits if you want to be sure to catch everything (which sucks). --Jezebel'sPonyo 16:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey, you've been a great help. Thank you so much. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Sex addiction book list

You state that it is not our job to provide patients with a book list. There are many book lists on many Misplaced Pages pages to provide the researcher with greater information. They function as suggested reading on the subject. Currently the field of sex addiction is new enough that there are not a lot of books on the subject, thus a list of recommended reading would be possible without undue discrimination. The books were listed in order of publication date, and certainly the earlier the book the more important its influence toward defining sex addiction. Also in the Wiki article on sex addiction there are references to the authors of these books and the information provided therein, without citing the sources or context or in at least one case providing the author's full name. I'm not going to undo your edit given your Misplaced Pages editing experience, but please reconsider your revision. I think to assume that this list is solely intended and beneficial for so-called patients is misguided. These books are really the source material for the entire field of sex addiction, and are important research tools. Your edit: ] --16:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)TBliss (talk)

  • Thank you for your note. We've had these here discussions before (User:DGG is the expert on this topic--he'll be glad to help you, or to contradict me if I got it wrong) but there is a consensus that such lists should not be included in articles unless they are cited in it. One rationale is that it is not really easy to come up with a rationale for including one but not another outside of "Editor X finds this book useful." If a book has useful material, it probably should be cited and that seems to be the case for the things you mention above--but please bear in mind that Misplaced Pages is not a bibliography. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Fightloungemike

Well, after your level 4+ warning of FLM, he's made the following hostile or personal attacks: , , , , , . Ravenswing 16:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Ravenswing, there is discussion going on on his talk page; I think you were being paged. If you feel thusly inclined please report to AIV--given my history with Fightingmike (whom I have grown to like, oddly enough) I shouldn't be deciding on it. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Gaudy page keeps on a givn'

The page keeps giving. Shame on you Drmies. Because you are being "a single zealous editor", "wikipedia has become - a costly fraud." Misplaced Pages is now being reported to the IRS. Bgwhite (talk) 19:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

copy paste

Hi Drmies. why don't you just cut and copy paste my monobook.js into yours, that will give you the full monty - so to speak. - I got it from a friendly admin (User:Salvio_giuliano) and there is some useful stuff in there for your delight and entertainment. Youreallycan 20:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Lawrence Goldfarb

I left a comment on the talk page for you & User:Youreallycan with some questions about your edits. If you have a minute drop on by! Feversleeved (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at 174.252.59.29's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
You're probably aware: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#DeFacto_requests_assistance. Toddst1 (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I was out eating wings and drinking beer, but I really look forward to it. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Coagulans (talk) 20:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

A Personal Attack About Me

Please see this . Since you are an admin, I believe you can make this stuff stop. Abhijay 01:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  • You followed him to, or at least reverted him at, Northrop F-5. Why would you do that? Drmies (talk) 02:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Apologies Drmies, it's just that I recently contacted an interest in Aircraft, and it so co-incidentally occured that the Northrop F-5 fascinated me and I edited it straight away, but I didn't know that under an interaction ban, you are not to revert another person's edits if you are under an interaction ban with that particular person. I now understand that you are not to do that under any circumstances, because I initially believe that you are not to talk or mention them anywhere. Abhijay 02:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Well, maybe so--but I thought you were supposed to stay away from him. If you had said on your talk page what you just said here this would all be over by now. Now we have an ANI thread to deal with. When will people learn? Drmies (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
I was recently asked to have a look at the KWW vs CW situation, and I noticed that your involvement in the dispute was balanced and thoughtful. You certainly deserve this barnstar. PhilKnight (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

good humor

The Barnstar of Good Humor
because you deserve it. :) -badmachine 00:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Undo

I saw your comment on Paul Erik's talk page. Don't feel any guilt or stress about undoing my block, and don't think that I harbor any resentment towards you for doing it. I remain frustrated by the situation, but it's pretty obvious that not enough of the community agrees with me for the block to hold.—Kww(talk) 02:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks Kevin. But the pressure is on you now. I'm not sure if you care for my advice, but I think that it's worth your while to meet your critics at least halfway, or this is just going to drag on and possibly end up in what Jclemens sketched. Good luck, and thanks for your note. You know, the pool is open for you as well, and I got some German and Belgian beers here (no Dutch beers allowed in my house). Drmies (talk) 02:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Advertising on Misplaced Pages?

Drmies, In my rummaging around on Italian Misplaced Pages, I came across this. These ads do not appear in similar locations on en.wiki. Different ads show upon refresh. Want a nice villa in Tuscany? Want to have your palm read? "Please help keeping this service alive. You know how to do it." Is advertising policy left to each individual Misplaced Pages? Doc2234 (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

That's not a Wikimedia site, so the page owner can do what they want. It is like the way that the page view counter has a flattr link. Oh, and adblock gets rid of them anyway :) SmartSE (talk) 14:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, that settles that then. Doc, your talk about the Italian wiki is making me thirsty for some grappa. Thanks SmartSE. I've never noticed the Flattr thingy, and if I had I would have mistaken it for some other social network. BTW, my talk page has more hits than most of the DYKs I write. :( Drmies (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm lifting a glass, myself. Voting just ended on the Italian page, and the page is maintained. Thank you for your help and advice! Doc2234 (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Glad to have been of service. Ciao! Drmies (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I finally made it to ANI

Because of the page that just keeps giving, a complaint was filed at ANI for something I had done, Misplaced Pages:Ani#Thomas Jouannet. Drmies and TenPoundHammer were also listed. This is my first mention at ANI. I'd like to thank Mandarax for helping me find my niche that led to this glorious event. I'd also like to thank Drmies for his deletionist ways and the special help of TenPoundHammer's otters. Sniff, sniff, this is just a happy moment. Bgwhite (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Bg, I'm proud of you for finally making it to the big time. This is a momentous step--it is up to you to make something of it. You can decide, at this very moment, who you want to be: just another nameless, faceless editor contributing "content" and "improving" the project, or a wiki personality. Bgwhite, my friend, you only get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow; this opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo. Drmies (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hugz! You've arrived! Pesky (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the Hugz Pesky. I always appreciate them when you hand them out.
Seeing how Pesky and Malleus have a special bond. Maybe I could become a wiki personality like Malleus? I just couldn't become a personality like Pesky, she is too nice that I couldn't pull it off. Maybe do a Jiffman and post my photo on some high traffic articles? Oh the possibilities... the stress is getting to me. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know that MF and I had a special bond! I think all it is, is that we kinda trust each other (somewhat!), and he doesn't bite me if I'm tiresome, and I don't think he's an old bar-steward ... Pesky (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't bite anyone when they're simply being tiresome, but I do have a tendency to go for the throat when I think think they're being arseholes, or cunts. Malleus Fatuorum 00:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm wondering how many of the aforementioned German and Belgian (but not Dutch) beers went into the formation of this gem: "indicative of the polyvalence of the work of art in question". That's hilarious, Drmies. Have you dug your tongue out of your cheek yet? LadyofShalott 01:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh, I totally meant that (and no beer was involved). I kept thinking of what all that image could mean--I won't list the things--and felt like, you know, et cetera. You saw it, right? It was wild. But thank you for noticing; usually it's pearls before swine. ;) Hey, I thought of you today: there was a story in the paper about a bunch of people dressing up as clowns to spread the gospel. Some churches are pulling out all the stops. Also, my head is sun-burned: it was beautiful today. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh, yeah, I saw it - the meaning I took from it is that someone has confused Misplaced Pages for MySpace, but then there's other evidence for that as well. Thanks for thinking of me, although I'm not sure why evangelizing clowns should make you do so. Sunburn's not fun - sorry. Sunblock, Drmies, sunblock. It was lovely here too today - this kind of weather, and with the spring flowers blooming - I could have this all year round and not fuss. LadyofShalott 02:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I seek your input

in THIS discussion. Schmidt, 19:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

What have I done again this time?

  • To have caused you to burst out on ANI after the expiration of my block, if I may enquire? --Dave 20:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
  • You're joking, right? This is an outburst? What message did you leave on the editors who really criticized you? What did you tell the blocking admin? Ahem, seriously--you were criticized for over-the-top drama-queening; someone mentioned your "ridiculous, over-the-top, almost cartoon-like aggression". Now you're doing it on my talk page. Drmies (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Nodig

Manning

Certainly, he has not signed yet. But to make no mention at all in the article of this widely-known and verifiable commitment to the Broncos makes wikipedia look stupid. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • When I protected it there was nothing but rumors (as far as I could tell). BTW, I'll change to semi-protection, so you or some other trusted editor can add whatever verifiable statement you'd like to add. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

TB

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Gabriel Cousens

Hi, thanks for taking a look at the article. I have left some comments and questions for you on the talk page (Talk:Gabriel_Cousens#Recent_edits). Cheers, Ocaasi 11:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Due to the massive amount of material that was removed, and the significant change in WEIGHT given to the Levy controversy (10% to 50%), I have reverted to most of the prior version per WP:BRD. I do appreciate your perspective on the article and don't assume your changes were ill-intended or lacking benefit to the article. But I think we should discuss it. Let's please take a look at each issue in a measured way on the talk page. I've laid out some basic views of mine. I'm happy to hear yours. Cheers, Ocaasi 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
You must be out of your mind. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I have asked you to discuss the issue and continue to do so. I believe the original article was thorough, balanced, and verifiable. If you want to contest individual sources, let's do that, but I won't just assume your position. In light of my request to follow WP:BRD, it's hard not to see your reversion as edit warring. I intend to add back some or most of the content per my reversion, but I'd prefer that we talked about specific issues first, each one individually if necessary. As I said before, this is particularly important given the undue focus on the Levy incident. The Tree of Life Center and Simply Raw are well sourced and directly relevant to Cousens' life and work. His views are as well. Those sections may need to be trimmed or summarized but not removed entirely. Please don't characterize a reasonable dispute as incompetence on my part. A lot of work went into crafting this article and I'm open to making it better, but I do disagree with your approach. Ocaasi 14:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the invite. I have explained in my edit summaries and on the talk page what was problematic about it. If you didn't read that, that's not my fault. No, the Tree of Life Center and the Simply Raw sections were not well sourced. No, his views are not well sourced. If you think that those edits you restored are in agreement with our BLP guidelines, that they don't puff up the article, that they don't make a joke out of the MOS, then maybe competence is at stake here, yes. And what about COI? You're in touch with the Cousenses? Drmies (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

YuriyMikhaylovskiy unblock request

This question is answered here. I will leave it to you to decide whether to revoke talk page access. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

TWO ARTICLES

Dear Administrator Drmies, many thanks for your quick, gentle and competent answer. You are, for me, the first kind person I am in contact within the system. From over one month, different users are insulting me, qualify me as an “ignorant” and express doubts that I am the official representative of the two personalities concerned by my two items. I am Doctor in Medicine and Doctor in Musicology, with an internationally respected activity. Despite their way of treating me, I am forcing myself to be polite with them and ethically correct. The two articles I am talking about (Mariana Nicolesco and Radu Varia) are written according to Misplaced Pages’s instructions and following the example of many previously published articles on Misplaced Pages. The two items in discussion contain serious and relevant statement, in an objective spirit with an encyclopaedic character, always sustained by documented arguments and notes which can be checked on line thanks to the links I mentioned. Following the suggestion of user Yeller I tried to improve the two texts on my work page and, while I announced that, I didn’t receive any opinion about it. In the same time, another user imposed his own version reduced, amalgamated, inaccurate, incomplete, without any systematisation on chapters well organised, as I did. That is not fair, not correct and damageable to the two personalities. It is not acceptable that on the site user Biruitorul imposed his version that I described above, while I accepted to work together with user Yeller on the work page. So, my question, considering your competence as administrator, for whom there are “not any big problems” in the two articles, is: can you kindly help me to do what you think should be improved? With many thanks for your attention, Dr. Stephan Poen 18,30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Dr. Poen, I would hate to prove you wrong about me, but I probably have to. I said I see no big problems, but I do see issues. I thought I was looking at a draft for a new article, but I now realize it is an alternate version of an already existing article, where you had an editing dispute. And looking over User:Dr. Stephan Poen/Mariana Nicolesco, to take just one of the two, I see that http://www.academiaromana.ro/membri_ar/pag/mo01_MNicolesco.htm is used very, very often to document certain facts, including the "Honours" section, and the section "Echoes" in its entirety. I don't know if I missed that when I first took a quick look (I must have), but such entries require rigorous third-party sources: and this is not one of those sources.

    User:Biruitorul is an editor for whom I have great respect, and it seems that he (I think he's a he, I could be wrong) is largely responsible for the current state of Mariana Nicolesco, which strikes me as a more bare-bones article but also much closer to the BLP policy, since it doesn't have phrases like "has been acclaimed in the most renowned opera houses" and long lists of the places she's sang. My apologies, but if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Biruitorul's version--the only place where your version is better is in the sections, but that's not the most important part. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

    • Drmies, thank you for your kind words and yes, I am a he (the -ul ending in Romanian is for masculine words; the feminine would be "Biruitoarea"). After Dr. Poen introduced texts that were, shall we say, inadequate, I've done work on both articles to bring them up to standards. The Nicolesco article I regard as more or less complete, although of course anyone is welcome to improve it. I've only asked Dr. Poen to work from my text, not out of vanity, but simply because it's more in tune with requirements. The information in the two versions is actually quite similar, and the difference is mostly structural. I've only just begun to expand the Radu Varia article, so it'll be a little while before that gets sorted out.
    • I think these words, coming from someone who's authored dozens of featured articles, many of them on music, are instructive when it comes to Dr. Poen's text on Nicolesco: "it is pure promotional material and has no place in an encyclopedia". - Biruitorul 18:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Dear Administrator Drmies, thank you for your prompt response. User Biruitorul is not “largely responsible” of the article of Mariana Nicolesco. I am the responsible for two years and Biruitorul intervenes since a month. He simply took information from my item, publishing them on the site, while I was forced to stay on the work page. Is that honest? Considering your answer, I am sending you a new version of the item on Mariana Nicolesco with the improvements suggested by you and by user Biruitorul. In this new version there is the information of Biruitorul’s item but better organized from the musicological and historical points of view. Waiting for your answer, best regards, Dr. Stephan Poen 00,36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, Dr. Poen, I have little to add to the comments I've already made. Biruitorul is well versed in Misplaced Pages's guidelines and policies (in fact, that's how I met him, approaching each other from opposite sides), and I have perfect faith in him. I also know him as a reasonable person who will not deny reasonable requests--but at this moment it's a matter of article editing and talk page negotiating: an admin has no role to play in this. I wish you the best, Drmies (talk) 04:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Beamdog undeletion request

You deleted Beamdog as G11 advertising. I did not write the article, and I disagree with your assessment. Please undelete it, and list it for AFD if you believe it does not belong on Misplaced Pages. I can see from the Google cache that it had sources from Kotaku. Doing this here would be preferable to doing it at WP:DRV. - hahnchen 19:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • If you like, I can userfy it for you. I'm not going to undelete and list at AfD to suit your fancy. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
    • This is a contested speedy. There were third party sources. I have no vested interest in the company. It was not unambiguous advertising. This should not require airing at DRV. You needn't list it at AFD. - hahnchen 00:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
      • A contested prod should result in immediate reinstatement of an article. That's not necessarily true of a contested speedy. Drmies did offer to userfy the article for you. LadyofShalott 01:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Pointless to userfy when I'm only going to move it back to mainspace, where Drmies clearly doesn't want it. Understand that contested speedies aren't default as per prods, thought it'd be quicker to take it to the admin responsible rather than go through a procedural restore at DRV. I was mistaken. - hahnchen 19:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

While your intent to list at DRV is implicit above, you really should have provided Drmies with direct notification/ a link to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2012 March 21#Beamdog, Hahnchen. LadyofShalott 02:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Listening well Drmies

I will report you and Trivialist semiprotegieron article Cartoon Network Latin America only to destroy and vandalize at will to prevent registered users from editing it as I decent article on telling everyone that I am vandalizing Misplaced Pages cruelly each article of this supposedly encyclopedia free.--OliverDF (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from California!

Hello there,

Mrs. Cullen asked me to let you know that she has finally written her first Misplaced Pages article, Amish dolls, with my assistance. She was motivated by participating in the San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon. There are some great photos on that page. The old codger with his head turned in several photos is me - they let men attend. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I think you should reward Mrs. Cullen with a nice MacBook! Nice to see her at work, and nice to see you as well. I'd love to meet up with you in San Francisco, a city I once spent a week in and I loved it. That's a very interesting article: I think it has a future. Drmies (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
  • You knew this was going to happen. Drmies (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Gee whiz! She got a new HP laptop right before we went to Boston last summer, and I am trying to edit Misplaced Pages on a Droid X. When do I get some new gear? Cullen Let's discuss it 22:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
      • If you ever come to Northern California, I will certainly perform my very best imitation of a tour guide. I know the back roads after 40 years of trudging around here. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Many thanks! I truly had a great time doing this article. It is important to pick topics that I love and can enjoy researching or expanding. It has come to my attention that Wikimedia Commons has only about 2 dozen images of teapots. I have a teapot collection of about 60 and my business partner has about the same number. A great way to add illustrations or photos to the Commons. Lots of other ideas too. ChesPal (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
          • Well, I'm really happy to see you here. It takes a village, as a person wiser then me once said. Those Amish dolls, that's really something else--a fascinating topic, the kind that you'd never know about without Misplaced Pages. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
            • I'm so glad I hang out on Drmies's talk page. What a wonderful first article! There are people who keep saying the encyclopedia's finished, but then new gems like this appear. They need to take notice. (Speaking of the encyclopedia's not being finished, rag doll is in pitiful shape.) LadyofShalott 03:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Amish dolls

Hello! Your submission of Amish dolls at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Today's strange event is a DYK nomination.

Facepalm Facepalm Check out Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ralph_Dewey just after the ALT4 where it starts out "ALTs 3&4 are untrue...". I'm left speechless. Bgwhite (talk) 22:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Lots of April Fools' Day hooks are being disputed. (Some rightfully so. Not this one, of course.) – Can't sleep, evangelizing clown will blow me up (talk) 01:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for De Typhoon

Updated DYK queryOn 21 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article De Typhoon, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that De Typhoon, a Dutch paper founded during World War II by the Dutch resistance, merged in 1992 with a competing local paper that had collaborated with the Germans during the war? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/De Typhoon.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for De Zaanlander

Updated DYK queryOn 21 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article De Zaanlander, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that De Typhoon, a Dutch paper founded during World War II by the Dutch resistance, merged in 1992 with a competing local paper that had collaborated with the Germans during the war? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Sigh...

  • Honestly, I really don't know that to make of this edit since I was there first and someone somehow followed me there and did something that makes me feel puzzled and quite frankly, not sure what to make of it. Thoughts? --Dave 00:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I have 45 seconds before I have to leave the computer, but if Abihjay doesn't either have a history of contact with Abenyosef, or a history of commenting on unblock requests, then a block is definitely in order. If he does have a history of one of those things, I'd have to look at the circumstances more closely. Will be back tonight to either act, or see how you (Drmies) have handled it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, Dave. I had to look for your edit and found it only in the history, not on the page (for obvious reasons), so Abhijjay can easily make the case he didn't see it. I don't know if he has a history of responding to unblock requests, but he does comment at ANI and other venues. Actually, he did comment in some unblock section, at User talk:Stoljaroff1987. So I can't really call this a violation of the ban--now if you had said "no" and he said "yes", that would be easy. Floquenbeam, what do you think? Drmies (talk) 01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I looked into it a bit, and see that he's commented on a couple of other user's unblock requests, including at least once prior to this whole interaction thing blowing up. I won't say I think it's likely, but it's plausible he found Abenyosef thru CAT:UNBLOCK. And, agreeing with you, he isn't taking the opposite side of the argument. Although my AGF supply is badly overdrawn, I'm inclined to chalk this up to an unfortunate coincidence. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
AGF--see "TheREALCableGuy", below. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chris Thieneman

You might want to revisit this discussion. When you nominated the article there was no mention of his pro football career. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hyphen?

I noticed in De Typhoon that you hyphenate Roman-Catholic. I understand that you've done so because of its use as a double-worded adjective. I've never seen that hyphenated before (that I can recall). I originally came to ask about how necessary the hyphen is, but as I type this out, I guess I'm coming to the conclusion that you are just probably one of the few people who actually do that correctly. LadyofShalott 01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Hmm, well, actually, I think I typed that without thinking. Also, I think I'm doing that incorrectly considering the spelling in Catholic church. Hyphenation as a compound adjective is a kind of rule, but such "rules" in English are derived from usage, and there may well be notable exceptions. I probably did it because it's hyphenated in Dutch, and because I'm used to the "rule which may not be a rule." Does that make sense at all? Drmies (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Heehee, yeah, I think it does. The "notable exceptions" bit is what I was originally thinking, but then rejected. Perhaps I shouldn't have. In any case, I won't touch the hyphens, and leave it to you to change or not. LadyofShalott 02:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Oh, and looking at that link, that's a good point, you'd never see"Roman-Catholic Church" in English, only "Roman Catholic Church". LadyofShalott 02:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately Google Books won't let me search both versions--it doesn't allow for that kind of precision. Shame. (Did you see the link I posted on FB today, about the birth and death of words?) But GBooks seems to support the version without hyphen, at least when used as an adjective before "Church". But then, that may well be part of the exception, of the notable different form. The OED has only two examples with hyphen (one noun, one adjective--besides the rare "Roman-Catholically"). I wonder what Malleus would say--though I would guess that he would throw a rule at it. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Hi. Just FYI you can compare usage in gbooks by using google ngram. Roman Catholic v Roman-Catholic isn't the best example of this tool as the former dominates the latter in usage, but you may interested in taking a look (also hyphens have to be spaced in the search to make it work). Jenks24 (talk) 03:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

TheREALCableGuy

Would his block be extended to indef and his talk page access revoked? The attitude he's showing clearly shows that he doesn't belong in this environment.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I believe that user:TheREALCableGuy is actively evading his block using the IP user:152.43.1.244. He hasn't made any destructive edits, but he is has erased the accusation that the IP is a suspected sockpuppet on the talk page. I believe that this guy will never be constructive and should be banned. Sore bluto (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes. I've compared edit histories and edits. But here's the thing: since 21 March 2012, 02:38, when I gave him a final warning of sorts on his talk page, the IP has only edited to remove the sock accusation from their talk page. Now, that sock accusation may be correct, but I don't see that the IP has no right to remove it. Now, if the IP starts editing in article space and those edits "are" the REALCableGuy's edits, then you will get the indefinite block. But so far this isn't much disruption and in a way it isn't socking, so I am going to let it slide. I will drop CableGuy a note, so that he knows that we know. Drmies (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
FYI: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/152.43.1.244. Amalthea 00:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Can I ask if you can look into this IP's edits to see if it could be yet another sock of TheREALCableGuy? Thanks. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 13:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's possible, yes. But three of the four edits were made while the CableGuy was not blocked--so by definition that's not socking. The fourth edit was made during the block and it's possible that it was him; in fact, I don't really doubt it. But my point on the previous SPI (I need to look and see what happened) is that since I'm giving him a final chance I'm not going to fuss over an edit from before that warning. Now, don't think that I claim to have the authority to make a community decision: if Amalthea or anyone else disagrees, they have my blessing to block, but I'm not going to do it. I need to see disruption, socking, whatever after that warning. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Note

I am sorry for have been such a dick to you recently, and I'm sorry for all that I've done. Take care. P.S. I found Abenyosef through Special:Requests for Unblock, just where I found User talk:Stoljaroff1987. Abhijay 07:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the note. That unblock thing seemed reasonable to me and to Floquenbeam; I trust you will take care not to run into Dave. An interaction ban may not seem like such a big deal until you discover that you share a number of interests with the person you shouldn't be interacting with--which obviously means that you are somewhat like them. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks man. I know it's how it's so hard under an interaction-ban an all, and I'll try to keep my distance. But never mind, I'll not get to upset over what happened, because to me it did happen way to fucking fast. If something happens like this ever again, can I see either you or Floquenbeam to deal with this? If so, I will. Thanks again, and and enjoy the rest of March :) Ab hijay  ☎ 14:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Alpha Quadrant's talk page.
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Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC) Yes, I am around. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 23:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

From what I have read, it appears that User:Lankenau inserted original researchthen User:Hghyux reverted him and left Template:uw-or2 on his talk page. The template really didn't do any good the first time it was used, so ideally, it would have been better for him to explain this without a templated message. It appears that User:SkyMachine did this later on. Based on User:Lankenau's edits to User:Hghyux's talk page, User:Lankenau appears to be just asking for some assistance on the best course of action. He shouldn't have called the revert vandalism, but it really isn't a threat. He even said he would avoid re-adding the information without advice The best course of action in resolving this issue would be to just explain the no original research, neutral point of view, verifiability, and vandalism policies. This editor appears to be editing in good faith, although they are just a bit confused. There really is no admin intervention required here. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
That's a good start, and ANI is headed that way slowly but surely. But what about the original offending edit, the actual edit, this one? Drmies (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
While the first half the the edit is original research, the second half is well sourced with (as far as I can tell) reliable sources. It really wasn't appropriate to revert the entire edit, as the revert restored two stray brackets that had to be removed http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Abiogenesis&diff=483079860&oldid=482903668 a third time]. Before they were reverted the first time, I noticed in this edit summary the user used "we". They need to be advised of WP:NOSHARE, as it is against policy to share an account among multiple people. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 00:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
And now, at this moment, you're half a lightyear ahead of the ANI thread. With "first half" I assume you mean the part starting "The geologic era...", which is unverified, sure, but it's in the lead. I'll let you call it original research if you show me your Ph.D. in geology. ;) But certainly the rest is by definition not original research since it is sourced to printed, academic books. There may be other issues (I dropped WP:COI on the editor's talk page, but by "we" the editor clearly means "him and his co-author", so I wouldn't necessarily call it a shared account. There remains one issue: you shouldn't really cite your own research, of course--but then again, someone's gotta cite it! Dirk wouldn't be the first one.

So I think the appropriate response at ANI is "you first": Hghyux shouldn't have reverted in the first place, and certainly not with the OR argument. In fact, Drbogdan's revert is wrong already, at least on the face of it: COI does not forbid Dirk Lankenau from making this edit. Well done. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

TB

My thanks -- and an explanation -- here. Nolelover 01:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Abiogenesis-talk

Dear Drmies,thanks for putting me on the correct formal Wiki-track. I´ll do my best to conform in the future. Best, Dirk --Lankenau (talk) 06:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC) Moved from top of page.--Shirt58 (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, it was a minor thing. Don't worry too much about it--I am more concerned with the other editors, but thank you for your note, and thanks for not abandoning the project! Drmies (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Pool temp

While you are sitting in the high 60s low 70s, I cracked 82 yesterday. --kelapstick 15:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

  • It got up, tentatively, to 75 yesterday. I hope you're living a good life down there, mate. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, the good life. A house full of boxes and nowhere to put it. I have had to make a few trips to Ikea, but the weather is nice, so no worries. My boy started school this week, exciting times. -kelapstick 23:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
    • I love IKEA. We're probably going to Atlanta next weekend to pick up some baby stuff there. How's the kid liking school? And how is Mrs. K? Does she like following you around the world, or waiting for your texts? Drmies (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

70.52.175.89

Extend the block farther. He's been blocked multiple times on other IPs. I'm attempting to contact his ISP to have his service revoked.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

similarities

You know Badmachine much better than I do. Do you see any similarities between that user and Yeah we pumpin (talk · contribs)? See user page history, my little pony connection and talk page welcomer. Toddst1 (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Hmm, I actually don't know him well at all. What little I do know seems congruent, yes--but you didn't need that for an indef-block anyway. Note: I rev-deled a Santorum edit. Drmies (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
    • You should ask a checkuser; I have a feeling it might be Night Ranger. Otherwise, it's probably one or two of badmachine's GNAA friends; he strikes me as being very careful to limit himself to troll enabling, rather than trolling himself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The Vertical Smile

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Am I ready for filemover

I've 135 images uploaded to Wikimedia projects. There are also quite a number of rename links, see 1, 2, 3, 4 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 14. Please decide and notify me. Dipankan says.. 06:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

It seems that Dipankan is correct about that being a Misplaced Pages user right. However, as this is an area with which I have little knowledge, I am not comfortable granting rights in this area. My guess (and he'll correct me if I'm wrong) is Drmies feels the same way. It might be good to talk to an admin who works directly in this area more frequently. LadyofShalott 15:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Dipankan, I had sincerely hoped that you would take the advice offered by both The Helpful One and myself... Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
  • As usual, I feel exactly the way the Lady does. Listening to Alpha Quadrant, who is suggesting you pay attention to comments already made, is a good idea. FWIW, I also read your application on Commons, which struck me as confrontational: if you wish to change people's minds about something or someone, friendliness is the way to go. You're coming by here saying "please decide and notify me," but I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know what a file mover is. That's not the best way, I think.

    BTW, Lady, I don't know if you feel like me--I'm watching two girls in bathing suits, and I'm sipping on a Witkap Pater single. Drmies (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amish doll

Updated DYK queryOn 23 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Amish doll, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Amish dolls (pictured) are left faceless, possibly to emphasize that "all are alike in the eyes of God"? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

AfD as an art form

I just noticed the close of the AfD for The Leader Phrase Book. Your opening remarks there were very special to me - I'll cherish them always - and your final comment was preternatural in its apparent omniscience:

Ohio, forget it. You are the old guard, and oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required. You should probably try to be more like me. BTW, I'm wireless as well.

How could you have known? Known that I've had "Be more like Drimes!!!" written on my makeup mirror for over five years now? I actually bought the makeup mirror for that purpose alone, as I'm a man, and don't use makeup ... well, not unless I'm going on a date. With a girl, I mean; I don't date boys. But since I've never actually been on a date, or talked to a girl, except once, in 1976, to mumble, "I'd like the curly fries, please," it's for that purpose alone.

My only cavil would be that I'm not "old guard" at all: I'm really very hip, well-known as "the trendy one" in my posse. But what do you mean, "tweeted"? Was oblivion personified as a bird in, say, Greek mythology? I can't find any reference for that. And with the greatest possible respect, I have to say that your evident self-congratulations for being wireless merits a, "Well, duh!". Almost everyone is wireless. The only person I know who isn't wireless is my granddad, and even he was until his pacemaker implant surgery last year.

But I'd like to know whether "You are the old guard, and oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required" is your own invention? If so, then based on that, and on your original AfD comment, I'd say you're a wickedly talented satirist ( I'd have written "wicked talented", but I'm too old for such groovy talk, more's the pity ). Have you considered that you might find more lucrative recognition for that ability via the mainstream publishing industry or national press?

I intend that last question ingenuously: Few writers could come up with anything as creatively current, or half so funny as your "oblivion" statement. So what about collaborating with me on a book? Something with a title like The Wickedly Smart Satirist's Phrase Book, maybe? As an initial PR effort, I'll start using and promoting "oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required", especially if you'll return the favor re "belabor the bovious". ( See AfD ) Besides, we could turn that redlink blue very quickly, without even having to pay anyone, and could easily keep it from subsequent deletion, you being one of the chosen, and all.

"Belabor the bovious" was my own, btw. It's not quite up to the standard of "oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required", perhaps, but I thought it'd be more fun than merely correcting my transposition typo. I only attributed the phrase to Bart to give it weight and authority, his imprimatur as the hegemon of modern cool. But I have to stop now, as I've used up all the big words I know.  – OhioStandard (talk) 20:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, your Bart-ascription certainly worked for weight. Then again, I'm not sure you needed it, "bovious" being pretty clever in its own right. I note that the AfD brought out the worst in a lot of people, and I'm happy to see that a superkeepvote was almost cast (in all my years here I've never seen one). Yes, I am claiming the phrase, but really, it's an adaptation of expressions like "hey, the 1970s called and they want their hair back", expressions which I find absolutely delicious. As for wireless: I'm sitting on the pool deck with a delicious Belgian beer typing on my netbook, and I like to think that I'm so much hipper than anyone else. I can think that comfortably, because I can't see anyone else right now and thus the outside world might as well not exist. In fact, I don't tweet, and I hadn't used it as a verb until that time. I am going to try and keep it that way. That book, of course, yes, that's half of everything that's wrong with the world, and the quotes that lard the AfD are prime cuts--if lard comes in prime cuts, of course. If you need a big word, try one from my profession: "overdetermined." In my profession, we don't do satire.

    Oh, one more wireless thing: I have a Bluetooth-enabled insulin pump, and if I program things properly I can probably use my cell phone or my netbook to shoot up. My car stereo is also Bluetooth-compatible, so I should be able to have my insulin regimen be attuned to, say, some electronic body music, provided by Front 242--and from music to sound is probably a small step. Now, you have a posse? In Ohio? That's very impressive! Drmies (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

sound (sex toy)

I was just trying to show that they existed separate from the medical catheters.LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, I think that point was made, but that link was not OK though I put in my order before I removed it. Surely there are better sources available; even a blog would be better, though if it's enough I don't know. I did a quick Google search but didn't look yet for real reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Second glance

Looking at recent changes to see if I could find an admin whose judgement I trust, and I saw your name. Could you take a quick look at User talk:Flyer22, including the revdel'd edits, and see if you agree with my decline statement? I also IAR'd and removed a thread about this from WP:AN. Thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks like I just missed you going offline. It's OK, nevermind, Boing said Zeebeedee has chimed in elsewhere. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
No no, I'm here. I've looked at that thing a couple of times today and don't know what to make of it. I saw the redacted edits, and the rev-deled talk page earlier today; I think your denial is just fine, and about the best thing that can be done in these strange circumstances. Anytime a brother in the same house is involved, and there is talk about mental instability, things get murky quickly--someone on that talk page said that if all this is true, then the editor really shouldn't be working on Misplaced Pages right now but should do other things, and I think that's common sense. Thanks for getting involved there. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the review. I'm off to bed. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Understanding your Views on Hradyesh

Dear Drmies, this is further to your decision on speedy deletion of my first article "Hradyesh" . Need to understand as post the last action had reworked the article and also got views from the senior editors at teahouse where no concerns were raised . Still I notice that the reason mention as "Advertising / promotion" . Help me understand what advertising / promotion when the article is about an entrepreneur who have introduced a global automobile concept in India for the very first time.

Its easy to delete the article in few secs why dont you assist me correct where its wrong ?

Awaiting... Thanks

Aaanshu (talk) 09:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Aanshu, please see WP:OWN. You do not 'own' any articles and an article on wikipedia isn't 'yours' or 'my' or whatever. Ab hijay  ☎ 12:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, Abhijay, he wrote it, it was brand new, no one had gotten to it yet. Aaanshu, I'm not going to rewrite a spammy article every time I run into one: there's too many.

There are a couple of things you can do. You can start that article in a sandbox (click on this, User:Aaanshu/sandbox), or you can submit it to WP:AFC and ask for some assistance there. Either way, you will have to provide reliable sources, not the same press release regurgitated twenty times in different publications. (The Times of India really has dropped its standards if they reprint press releases.) And, of course, you'll have to write it in a neutral manner. This is an encyclopedia, not an advertisement medium. Good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Columbo lead photo

You think we might have a copyvio issue there? I noted it is "File:ColumboDVD3.jpg|250px" which tells me - am I wrong? - that the editor uploaded that himself. It makes me nervous. He might have at least cropped most of it leaving just a sort of oval portrait of Falk. An ANI is in progress regarding this editor and his disruptiveness. Thank you for editing at Columbo. You are appreciated and I wish you'd come and do more there.—Djathinkimacowboy 17:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I don't know. Anyone can upload those images--it's not the uploading, it's the usage. I know the basics: covers are really only to be used in articles on the thing that the cover was the cover of. Also, a cover in an infobox on a show is ugly. Hey, I saw that thread on ANI. It's a mess and I didn't want to have to read a dozen discussions all over the place. I think one issue at the time is enough: the article and that mediation thing, that's two. I don't think their edits on Columbo are that disruptive, honestly--the two edits of theirs you singled out somewhere did a lot to improve the article (apart from introducing that ugly image, of course).

    I wished I had the time and the opportunity to catch the Columbo reruns somewhere. It's one of the greatest shows ever. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for replying. I think we have cleared up the copyvio issue (there was none). It's a bit worrying that the editor knows how to edit properly but then gets whacked out and starts disrupting. A pity, it seems to me, no one will ever pay attention to his disruptive edits for which I supplied diffs. Columbo is probably the greatest show ever televised. I have loved them since they were new, and that is why I am going to such painful lengths for the article. I know there are few on WP with that dedication and I know it makes me look zany. But I want what WP always claims as its goal: a good article.—Djathinkimacowboy 19:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar
For you. jmarkfrancia (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

U-KISS

There are some vital information that you removed from the wikipedia article U-KISS. Also, the references are already messed up. jmarkfrancia (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • No. That tripe you keep adding, that's not vital information. I'll make you a deal: if you can go through and make an honest effort to separate the wheat from the chaff, I won't revert the lot like I did last time. But you need to start with some basic premises: Misplaced Pages articles are not fansites, and not every fart is notable. In fact, most farts are not. Drmies (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Just one thing, you deleted the info about their first concert. I think that is important to an underrated band like them. Is it okay if you give me a week to rewrite and reformat the page into more encyclopedic? I just cant control how other IP users keep on adding information. Then, ill sent u a message on your talk page if im done then i want you to check it for me. Is it okay? jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Article Hradyesh

You deleted article Hradyesh under G11. The author (editor) came to Teahouse and posted his question twice. We have suggested him to check Misplaced Pages Notability etc etc. I told him to create the article in sandbox first, he has created the article here. I am not very sure if the article is an advertisement (spam). I have given him some suggestions, if possible, share your opinion/suggestions too! Best, --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 09:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Poetry ELs and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Poetry

Hi Drmies, I saw your comment on the Poetry Project and wondered which EL guidelines you were thinking of specifically. Is it that you think there are generally too many on poetry pages or is the link content? I ask you on your talk page as it's just a clarification question. Cheers. Span (talk) 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, both. There's too many, and the content generally is not in line with EL, since a great many of them serve only to link to one or a few poems. This pains me, because I kind of want to plug poets, but in my opinion those links are totally not cool. Keep in mind also that most modern poets' articles are very short, and as a result you get articles that are two sentences long, with biography that takes up one half of the page and an EL section taking up the other half.

    There's some other issues: I think the poetry folks should draw up guidelines and start writing articles for publications, reviews, and awards. For instance, I see the Quercus Review mentioned all over the place, but there's no article and what I find on the internet (established at a junior college?) does not inspire that much confidence.

    I happen to work with such poets in a couple of different ways, and I know how the business works--you try every trick in the book to fill up those empty pages--those of the resume. But Misplaced Pages shouldn't work that way. Thanks for your note: this is something I'm interested in in the long term, and if you're interested--it's not a one-editor job. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

    • Sure. I'm very interested as poetry is mostly what I do on WP. I hear you on links to individual poems, I remove them when I see them. Yes, a great long list of links is not helpful or required. To be clear, when you say "the content generally is not in line with EL" which content and EL guideline are you thinking of (it's a long page)? Audio/video links to generic interviews on the life/work of the poet seems useful. Biog pages such as those on The Academy of American Poets, The Poetry Foundation, The British Council and the Poetry Archive are useful as they are solidly reliable sources that give detailed biogs and links (often audio/video) to poems. In your edit to Billy Collins you cut the (once in a lifetime)Paris Review interview as well as the Poetry Foundation and Academy profiles. I cannot think what links would be more useful to finding out more about Collins and his work than these three. Last question. I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think the poetry folks should draw up guidelines and start writing articles for publications, reviews, and awards". Do you mean EL guidelines? What type of publications, reviews and awards? (Do you mean within a WP context?) Forgive my denseness in not understanding the questions clearly. Thanks Span (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, if you disagree with the removal of something, reinstate it! Don't be bashful. Now, EL isn't specific in many ways, but what's clear is that a lot of things which are once in a lifetime are not deemed to be of encyclopedic value; I'm thinking of such things as interviews with Charlie Rose in BLPs, for instance. And you must also consider, in the case of those profiles for instance, what do they add? It's a link to a biography, but the link is found in a biography. If the Paris Review interview or the biographical link adds anything, it should be brought into the article as a reference for some statement or other.

        "Last question"--yes, I think that would be a good idea, if there were some general guidelines. I think there already is a general template, since the list I removed was formatted very carefully and I found the same lay-out in other places. If agreement could be found on what links to add, that would be great. Agreement on which awards are notable and worthwhile mentioning would be good (note: none of the awards listed in that section for Collins are verified in that section, as they ought to be), and agreement on what to list in bibliographies would be even better. I notice that Collins' article doesn't list individual published poems, for obvious reasons: a. he has books and b. he has a ton. But for lesser gods it doesn't work that way. So, I think there is plenty of work to be done, but it has to be done by a bunch of people working together. Does that help? Any time you want to start drafting things... Drmies (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

        • Ah, I see, you mean we should be writing Poetry Project WP articles on guidelines for which publications, reviews and awards to include in listings. By 'bibliographies' do you mean critical texts about the subject of the article (it seems to have many meanings on WP). You seem to be saying that there is no need for ELs at all because if the content is of any use then it should be used in the article. Is there a rule that if a link is used for a cite it shouldn't be added in the EL section? I would have thought the best sources with most detailed coverage are best linked in the EL section because that's where readers look for more access to further info.

          I have never been involved in drafting guidelines and am still cloudy as to what a bibliography guideline, for example, would look like. I am very happy to be involved in cleaning up poetry pages but tend to agree with Midnight that less is more. I have rarely found any contention about ELs, bibliography listings or anything similar. I've rarely had anyone ask or seen editors get it wildly wrong. Spam links are about it; But I tend to work on the more low traffic articles. I am happy to follow someone's lead. Btw, I didn't reinstate the links because I first wanted to know what you meant and understand your reasoning.Span (talk) 15:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Exo

It isn't a secret anymore that Kris and Su Ho are the leaders and Kai is the main dancer. Maybe you should get your facts right ~.~'

LovelyGirl4ever (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Maybe you should read WP:RS. I don't give a damn if you change and update stuff like that (which is trivial to everyone in the world besides fans). "Leaders". "Main dancers". I hope you realize that that means nothing at all. But here is the thing: if you reinsert that unverified trivia about birth dates and all, I will revert it again, and I will warn you for adding unverified BLP information again. Drmies (talk) 13:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

It is absolutly normal for K-pop groups sites to have a section about their positions! Do you want to delete it on every page? It is important for people to know what a position they have even more for people who want to know more about a group if they are newbies -.- LovelyGirl4ever (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • They're all singers and rappers and what not, but that's not the most important thing. Unverified BLP stuff, that's the problem. And yes, I am going through as many articles of those awful boy bands as I can stomach to clean them up. They're fan sites, not encyclopedic articles. I think you need to think about what "encyclopedic" means. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Houston, we have a problem

Hi there MIES, always a real wikipleasure conversing with you,

You sure did like that classic today did you not? Speaking of PSV'ers, i would like your assistance in translating some refs i found once again, now in Kevin Hofland. I know it will be hard to read REF#2 without breaking in tears, but i have faith in you, you shall overcome :)

Attentively, thank you very much in advance, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Again, you tested my eyesight (he did not retire at the age of 25), i did well ;) Regarding PERSONAL, why did you remove the kids/wife's names? Was it vandalism? I sincerely don't know... Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
It's a habit of mine. I think kids should be left out of these things in the first place; mentioning that they exist is the most we should do with living people, in my opinion. I just don't see the point in including their names and I think it takes away from the encyclopedic nature of the project. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


Astroturf

Hi, Drmies... Some clicking through NFL pages brought me to List of AstroTurf installations in the USA. It looked like this when I started. I'm not comfortable with even the idea of such a list, especially now that it seems high schools are as likely to have turf fields as AP English classes. The fact that this list is restricted to a single *brand* of turf seems somewhat promotional to me, rather than encyclopedic.

Anyway, my gut is to put this list up for deletion. I've read the guide to deletion and such. But, I'm asking for some advice here, because it seems that screwing up an AfD can create more lifelong enemies than walking into a Tuscaloosa bar with a game-worn Auburn jersey.

Could you let me know whether my judgement is off base that this article is a reasonable candidate for deletion? If it passes your eyeball test, then I'll try to wade through the labyrinth that is the instruction page for AfD. If I'm missing something, I'm happy to listen to advice and ideas from you and/or your talk page watchers.

Thanks! Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Holy moly, that got a lot better. Hmm. Well, depends on which bar you walk in. I'd choose Egan's, on the strip; even Tennessee fans are served there. The thing is, Moishe, that lists are odd. My gut feeling is that most of them should go, but I hear the weirdest things at AfDs for lists. Your argument is that there is nothing inherently special about having Astro-Turf (TM?) and I think you're right. It took me some clicking to find WP:LISTN, which gives you some indication of notability guidelines--whether your list might be considered notable according to those suggestions is your call; you are better equipped to answer that than I am. Look, I wouldn't worry too much about creating a ruckus. You worked on the article, you asked for advice, and you'll make up your mind yourself: that's plenty of good faith. Keep me posted, and Roll Tide, Drmies (talk) 03:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
    • That list looks like trivia to this TPS. Drmies is right, though, lists are odd; I can't predict which way an AfD for this list would land, but I think it's reasonable to nominate it. LadyofShalott 03:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Fix this

Can you also fix this one? --> Super Junior A korean boyband also. Im not the creator of the page, but i find the format and content same as the article you fixed. jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

SHINee Edit

Not meaning to question your authority, but I am not aware of what "GA" means neither do I see how the edits to the Members section in the korean boyband SHINee's article was constructive in any way, it looks outdated and poorly researched now, not to say not as organized, though it could end up having less fanwars and whatnot within the article edits, it just simply doesn't seem to do its job correctly anymore. Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 11:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • GA means "Good Article"--see WP:GA. Certain standards are set for content and style, and the version I restored--though still problematic--is a lot more in line with the table I removed. You need to keep in mind that a list of members is a list of members, and shouldn't have to do anything else but list the members. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

trayvon & pot

Hey, bringing this here, because part of my discussion below determinately does not belong on the article talk page. Anyway, for the record, I think zimmerman should be arrested, so I was in no way defending him with the suspension/pot line of argument. However, as this (or one) shows there are 40,000 (12k for second search) gnews sources talking about trayvon and being suspended marijuana. This passes the notability and RS bar by a ridiculous amount. BLP obviously does not apply, and I have never heard of BDP, but assuming it is real, I don't see how it could be possibly construed that this did not pass whatever bar is set. We should certainly not be putting OR/Synth in to the meaning of this (as I did in my talk argument, but note did NOT put into the article), but hiding the information so that readers are not able to make those same decisions/thoughts for themselves is also a form of POV editing. We have worked together in the past, and I respect the great work you do here, and look forward to doing it on this article and in the future, but I think you are in the wrong on this one. I will copy the bulk of this coment into the article talk page, but thought the "think zimmerman should be arrested" part was not appropriate. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your note. I have protected the article, so mediation and broader discussion is in order. How many ghits this pot thing gets is not really my concern. BTW, I noted that you didn't synthesize anything in the article, and that you didn't edit-war over the pot text, for which I am grateful. We obviously differ of opinion here, and I hope that this can be settled calmly at the BLP noticeboard--see WP:BDP, which applies here. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

protection!?

Really? 3 days protection for a massivly edited article, , when you are not an uninvolved editor? I suggest you unprotect the article. the edit war was not that bad to justify complete locking of this article, unless you plan on monitoring it for changes every few min. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

You get paid? where do I sign up?! Im doing this shit for free!!!! I have made a request for unprotection at RPP if you wish to comment. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I disagree with Gaijin42 - this action is overdue, and thank you. I am not a fan at all of full protection, but it has become impossible to get people to actually discuss issues, so I think it was warranted. This is an article about an event, not a biography, and the addition of extraneous details are out of line, as is the use of two "person" infoboxes. One thing flows from the other - we are not writing biographies here, so details unrelated to the shooting should not be there. A history of arrest, racial profiling, violent behavior would be relevant, but the reason the victim was suspended from school has no relevance. Tvoz/talk 20:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I have also made a post at the BLP noticeboard. I do not think this is a situation for ANI, as I disagree with your position, but don't think you are doing any misconduct (although I do think you may have broken the letter of the uninvolved rule). i hope you do not see these two noticeboard/requests posts as malicous/vengeful. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to salute you for your post at AN. I think it was not needed as the blp/rpp/talk can handle the issues, but opening yourself to scrutiny like that is extremely honorable. :) Gaijin42 (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I really don't want a fight over this. But I'll tell you, I saw the father on TV the other day, and I was thinking, man, if that were my child, I don't know if I could speak. Those are some of my concerns. Well, we'll see what happens. Good luck with the issue, and I'm sure we'll still get along after this. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Admin help

Kid Twist needs to be moved to Kid Twist (rapper), then Kid Twist needs to be restored back to June 25, 2001 state as a disambiguous page. I'm not sure how I can do it without keeping the edit histories in the correct place. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Bob K31416 (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

delete investigation Bilal_Khan_(singer)

Could you take a look at Bilal_Khan_(singer) and tell me what its history was? I nominated it for CSD when it popped up on my watchlist, so I must have interacted with it before, but it has a very short history, so whatever happened before is lost. I checked my CSD/PROD logs and didnt find it there, and also didnt find it in the AFD archives. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes. There are 36 deleted edits; yours were the fifth and sixth edits. First you PRODded it and then you removed some vanity/puffy terminology. The two versions were written by different people; the first one was a lot worse than this one! JamesBWatson deleted it as G5, since it was created by User:Sabi43. Perhaps it's worth your while poking around in the SPI and in various user contributions? Drmies (talk) 02:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Hm maybe it's not worth your while. The Intersect tool found no articles in common (besides the Bilal Khan one, of course). Drmies (talk) 02:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Treyvon Martin shootings

. Both NBC and ABC Nightly News programs have just confirmed that he was suspended from school for having a bag with traces of cannabis. So, I think you can unlock the article and allow that information to be added. Cla68 (talk) 23:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

CBS Evening News just said that Trayvon's family has confirmed the reason for his suspension. Cla68 (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm watching Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives. I still don't see why this is relevant. Also, Cla, I think you know your way around and can find AN, where there is a thread. You don't need me to unprotect it, you just need a willing admin. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
You abused your admin tools by locking a page in a content dispute you were directly involved in. You further abused your admin tools by reverting to your prefered version after the page was locked. There is no excuse for such blatent misconduct. If you want to keep your admin bits, I suggest you self-revert both actions. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
A Quest For Knowledge, by its very nature, Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project. Occasionally, this means living with edits you disagree with. Is it worth the WikiDrama? Drmies (talk) 02:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
LOL. Probably not. But honestly, why didn't you just post a notice at ANI and let an uninvolved admin make those decisions? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Because, in my opinion, there was enough warring and disruption going on to make decent editing on a balanced article impossible. Someone somewhere spouted some stuff about a sacred obligation that I violated, and you're throwing a nice bunch of terms around--"blatant misconduct"? we've never even met! Anyway, if I supposedly have some sacred obligation, don't I have the sacral duty to put my fine set of tools to work? If this weren't a BLP/BDP, do you think I would have protected? Now, I don't believe for a moment there is anything sacred about this rather shitty job, but at the same time, I have been given some measure of trust along with those buttons. This time, I chose to act upon it. As for "involved"--I think that notion is highly overrated, and I heard the news also today, but in my case, it was the father whose words I heard. Hearing that makes me less inclined to listen to the OTT charges by people who don't have a personal stake in the article. That father does. If you find admins who disagree and who overrule me, that's fine: I don't mind abiding by consensus. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
But that's not your call to make. Once you became involved in the dispute, you're no longer allowed to use your admin tools. You're right, being an admin is a shitty job. I know that, and I'm sorry about that. But that doesn't give you the right to throw WP:INVOLVED out the window. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is my call to make, since WP:BDP makes that my call. The Quest, the disagreement here shouldn't be over "involved": that's a ruse. The first question you must answer is whether BDP applies or not. If you answer "no" then you can start talking involved. But, on another note, sheesh, all these people I've never met saying things they would never say in ordinary conversation to someone they don't know? You don't have to apologize about adminship not always being great since that is beyond your control, but man, "you abused your admin tools" without even a "hey Drmies." Call me old-fashioned, besides "abusive admin." Drmies (talk) 03:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Protecting articles?

I noticed you edited Yoshiki (musician) and that you are an admin, do you have the ability to protect that article and X Japan? I requested at WP:RFP, but there is a backlog. The vandalism is starting to pick up and is now happening to the talk page. Xfansd (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, I took care of a few entries and I had a quick look at those two as well, but in my opinion there wasn't enough yet to warrant protection. I'll look again, though. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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