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Hello, Guy Macon. You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Misplaced Pages cleanup listings, information and discussion. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000 00:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Electrician image

I changed the image from the obscure 48v lineman to an abstract one from the early history of the trade. I do hope it remains acceptable. The trade is so diverse that a picture of any field may be too specific.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bring this to my attention. I will reply on Talk:Electrician. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Olive Branch

Guy, Thank you for finally acknowledging what I have been attempting to do all along, and trying to point out to people in the process of this side-tracked "war" that gained nothing. I can offer my apology for anything I may have said of an offensive nature, but un-backed opinions do not sit lightly with me as a means to demonstrate a person's position.

I did find your resume online (if you live in Cali) and it is very similar to the manner in which I have written my own. I have a degree, but I fully acknowledge it is merely a piece of paper that "proves" I have the ability to learn to a potential employers, and I agree hands on experience trumps much of what is "learned" within a classroom experience.

In tracing things out, I do see your improvements to the Surge protector page, and I can appreciate your knowledge in the subject matter. As I noted over there, I would move to have this page expanded (inclusion of Lightning arrester as a subtopic), and hence the Surge Protector page linked to my proposed Lightning Protection Systems page, as primarily that is what SPDs are used for.

Regards, Borealdreams (talk) 15:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

There are huge advantages to working collaboratively instead of picking fights. Frankly, you have zero chance of your proposed changes ever making it into Misplaced Pages unless you decide to work with others. That is simply how things work around here. I have no basic objection to your proposal to change the way Misplaced Pages writes about lightning protection, but you really do need to follow all of Misplaced Pages's rules if you want to get that done.

I should point out that, just as anyone can change any Misplaced Pages page, anyone can change Misplaced Pages's rules. Just go to the talk page for that rule and make your case for changing it. But until you convince others to make the change, you need to obey the rules.

If you really want to work collaboratively, you should do the following:

You should go through all the pages you have edited (See the "my contributions" link at the top of the page) and delete the text (but not your signature) of every personal attack you have written against anybody. Replace the attacks with (redacted) or (deleted) and put "Self deleting per WP:NPA" in the edit summary. It doesn't matter whether you think they deserved it; personal attacks are not allowed even if the person deserved it. Personal attacks are not allowed even if the person attacked you first. If I see that you have done this I will self delete all criticism I have written regarding you and will make a fresh start with you.

Going forward, you need to make a decision to follow the rules. You need to conform to Misplaced Pages's behavioral guidelines even if others don't. You need to conform to Misplaced Pages's behavioral guidelines even if you aren't getting your way. You need to decide once and for all that, no matter what anyone else does, you will never again break the rules. The particular rules you need to study are these: WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:V and WP:RS.

Given your past behavior, you need to prove to me that you have changed your ways and are willing to be part of the Misplaced Pages team. Or you can keep fighting and lose every battle until you finally get blocked from editing. Your choice. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

All has been completed, the ball is in your court for the "final section of Lightning Rod Talk." PS, no need to stack on additional WikiPolicy points in your attempt to prove wikisuperiority, as the final 3 in your list were never of issue, and I have more than demonstrated my adherence to them without even knowing of their existence.

On the mothballed section, do I redact that as it is supposed to be "locked". I'm fine with it's removal, other than it does prove often I was adhering to said final 3 WP points. :\ Borealdreams (talk) 22:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Question.

Are you a Misplaced Pages Administrator, Mr. Macon? I can't see the Admin icon on your User Page, and in view of the fact that there are so many on there, it seems curious that you would omit it. Hengistmate (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Considering your history of personal attacks, battleground mentality and coming to the defense of misbehaving editors in order to continue your battles, I do not wish to interact with you in any way, including answering your loaded questions. If you believe I have done something wrong, bring it up at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette assistance. Otherwise, please leave me alone. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

That's a rather ad hominem response, and might be considered, by some, a personal attack. Please stay cool. I haven't suggested that you have done anything wrong. The question is not loaded. It simply requires a 'yes' or a 'no.' It's just that you imply rather a lot that certain things might happen, and state that people are required to satisfy you in various matters, and this all seems to indicate that you are exercising some authority. I just wondered if you are an Administrator, only I don't seem to be able to find your name on the list. To provide an answer would be the polite thing to do. Hengistmate (talk) 22:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Guy Macon is not an administrator. That does not, however, mean that he cannot give you good faith warnings and suggestions about your behavior. The only difference between admins and non-admins is that admins have the technical ability to block user, protect pages, etc. However, we are all equally able (and, in fact, suggested) to comment in cases where we think another editors behavior is in some way harmful to the project. I looked briefly over the messages that GM left you, and I don't see a single one that was inappropriate (minor quibble above: Wikiquette assistance is probably not the right place to take an issue of this type, but that's trivial). I'm not saying that you are in the wrong Hengistmate (I have not looked into the underlying issue); rather, I'm merely trying to correct what seems to be a misconception on your part about the meaning of "administrator". Qwyrxian (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)