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Good morning Unscintillating, thanks for the assistance on the Palm Island Tragedy article yesterday, unfortunately I couldn't get to it yesterday to add in more content, the structure you have created will assist greatly. WikiTownsvillian22:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Great Palm Island, Queensland
Hello. Great Palm Island is officially an island, not a locality like Palm Island so dab (, Queensland) not needed see here. I attempted a move to Great Palm Island which failed, so will file a non-controversial move request in a while. Just letting you know why. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 05:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)).
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2006 Handbag Controversy
Hi Unscintillating. You are doing a good job fixing up the article. However, my major concern is that its notability is not enduring enough (Number #4 in WP:INDISCRIMINATE). If you can demonstrate that it is still relevant now (maybe with some more recent refs) I feel your efforts would be more successful in saving the article. Cheers AIRcorn(talk)02:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I see you are doing your best to source Katherine Sweetman. Personally still think she is not notable but I see I should have put more evidence in my initial argument. What was obvious to me wasn't to other people, I see.
I want to put up Sweetman's frequent collaborator Micha Cárdenas' article up for deletion as well. The article has the same problems Sweetman's does in terms of sourcing (more self written blogs and press releases vs actual discussions of the subject) and NPOV talk (which is not surprising as the article was mostly written by Cardenas herself. It has been up for deletion before, but the consensus was weak and none of the problems of the article have been fixed over the previous year.
But, before putting it up for deletion I thought I'd tell you and give you a chance to source it and bring it around to a more NPOV perspective, if you wish XinJeisan (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
You're all set, file is here: File:TaquanAirLogo.jpg. It is OK to use in the article. It would be best if it is put in the infobox only. The warning on the Russian image was just basically that it wasn't necessarily usable by any other project, depending on their rules, but our rules allow non-free fair use images for logos. Herostratus (talk) 00:22, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah, never mind. I only glanced at the pages and noticed that they had no significant coverage. I'd not realized that I was redirected away on two of them. Certainly my error. Hobit (talk) 03:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest you review Misplaced Pages's definition of a reliable source if you are going to do this sort of work. I've had to remove two really lousy sources added by you from this article. See the talk page for details. I would classify what you are doing as classic puffery in that several of the sources you have used are commercial or promotional websites and consist of outdated or just plain wrong information. You don't even seem to have noticed the obviously incorrect data from this ref, which lists the year they ceased to exist as the year they were first incorporated. Please be more careful when adding references in the future. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:36, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Please stop. I've just removed another twofour junk references added by you. Please take the time to review the reliable sources policy as indicated in my previous message. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
For the sake of clarity I feel I should point something out to you. Even if the sources you have been adding did meet the definition of a reliable source, the only coverage contained in the majority of them is directory-style information. That can address problems with verification but it has no impact on notability, which is the reason for the deletion nomination. I suppose you must have been encouraged by the result of the Taquan Air AFD, but in that case you were able to find at least a few actual reliable sources that discussed the company in detail. That is obviously not the case here. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Alumni to be included should meet Misplaced Pages notability criteria, and must be verifiable; a biography page in Misplaced Pages that does not provide a source cannot be used as a reference.
Just so you know, notability guidelines are guidelines which describe the sort of subject that is likely to have sufficient reliable independent sources to write a policy compliant article. Without sources something can satisfy every single checkbox in a guideline and still qualify for deletion. NPOV and V are canonical policy, the WP:GNG descends from them. Guy (Help!) 06:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
notability guidelines and deletion policy vs. content policies
I'm guessing that you are responding to my comment here, where I asserted that two sources are needed to satisfy content policy.
Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth)
And as per the name, deletion policy is policy. I believe that the only requirement in WP:N is that a topic be "worthy of notice".
I don't know what you mean by "canonical policy", and I've never heard of WP:NPOV being considered as related to the notability guidelines. Unscintillating (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I think future events and breaking news reports should be incubated, but as long as I'm the only one saying that, it is just one person's opinion.
Somewhere recently I read that 2012 Summer Olympics is defined as an acceptable encyclopedic topic. Colombia at the 2012 Summer Olympics and many similar national articles allow you to check on a daily basis to see the latest medal totals for Colombia at the 2012 Summer Olympics. As long as this is the attitude about future events, it becomes hard to know where to draw the line. Personally, I wouldn't allow 2012 Summer Olympics. I think this would lead to more accurate and enduring titles and articles, such as Preparation for the 2012 Summer Olympics.
My own attitude is extremely simple: "does <thing> have 'significant coverage in independent reliable sources' ?" WP:VRS Which, in effect, means: show me 3 newspaper articles about it (or equiv RS) - if so, great, we can have an article. If not - I don't care if it's in the 'incubator', or a user subpage, or an 'article for creation' page, or whatever.
I don't really care about WP:BAND, WP:CORP, WP:PORNBIO, etc - those are guidelines, which might help users work out what is needed but...it doesn't matter. Is it 'notable' or not? That's my only question, always. Chzz ► 07:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I have favored deletion in the past because the term has no general use; it is just a designation used by the state of California for economic analysis. Your new article is so well developed it almost persuades me to want to keep it. But in any case there needs to be some kind of reconciling of these duplicative articles. For one thing, the new article if kept should be renamed to Southern Border (California) since there are many other states and countries that have a southern border region.
Take a look at the other article(s) and see what you think. And before you create any more articles about these nine "regions", check to see if current articles exist - because I think many do. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 06:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to rename the two abortion articles to completely new names, namely 'Opposition to legalized abortion' and 'Support for legalized abortion'. The idea, which is located at the Mediation Cabal, is currently open for opinions. Your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
By the way...
the Rescue tag does have code that links directly to the Article for Deletion Talk page (or Template or Miscellany). Just thought I would mention that. -- Avanu (talk) 18:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
You may be confusing the "Project page" with the "Discussion" page, the discussion page at AfD is rarely used. I also think you also need to chill, you violated WP:4RR within the last 36 hours, and against me today WP:NPA. Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 19:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
How did I attack (NPA) you? Also, thanks for clarifying; you're right, the Talk page at AfD is rarely used, my mistake. -- Avanu (talk) 19:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I will deliberately avoid providing a diff so as not to reify this discussion as a dispute, however there was a word "you" combined with the word "impolitely"; along with two mentions of the word, "civility", one of which was in the edit comment. WP:NPA states, "This page in a nutshell: Comment on the content, not on the contributor." For what it is worth, I generally try to avoid using the word "you" in what might otherwise be a contentious response. Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
My perspective was that you had made a pretty callous statement about a now-banned editor. I hope asking for civility isn't a public attack. But it wasn't my intention for you to feel attacked. My apologies if this is how it came across. -- Avanu (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.
To avoid accusations that this posting violates WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 19:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gargoyle Router Firmware
I'm not speaking to you as an administrator, as I'm tangentially involved having closed the first AfD, but as a fellow editor in what is meant to be a collegial and co-operative environment. To say an editor described above as "showing up at most articles tagged for Rescue and finding a reason to say delete" is totally out of line. So incredibly far out of line that I'm surprised I'm first here to have a word with you about it. Please try to comment on the edits, not the editor, if for no other reason than that the person who ends up looking bad here... well, it's not Hrafn. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 11:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
"Tangentially involved"? I reduced one of the points of logic of the previous respondent (PR) at the DRV discussion using the force of reason, where I stated in summary, "IMO, this is not coherent analysis". This logic was the last statement at the DRV, and stood for three days without refutation until the DRV closed. For three days the PR could have engaged in a "collegial and co-operative" debate. Is this posting PR's demonstration-by-example of a "collegial and co-operative environment", using phrases like "totally out of line"? The part of my opinion that recommended that PR's closing be reverted was enacted by the closure of the DRV. The editor in question edited comments the PR had made and made a posting that appeared to be a delete vote in PR's name. I found this to be an improper tactic and drew attention to the tactic. So the posting here only comes after the PR could have corrected this improper tactic, and comes instead of the PR correcting the improper tactic. I don't think the PR is "tangentially involved." Yet other examples of escalation here are the intensifiers "incredibly" and "surprised". My advice to the PR is that the first step in solving a problem is to identify the problem. Unscintillating (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you're trying to be obfuscatory, so I will (for a change) be blunt:
I'm talking about the ongoing deletion debate at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gargoyle Router Firmware. Hence the heading. As well as me saying clearly "in the first AfD," which I'd have though your "force of logic" would have indicated to you I was talking about the second AfD.
Don't personalise debate. In the densely convoluted reply above, you've suggested I haven't identified the problem, so I'll copy paste the line where I do that: <begin copy> To say "an editor described above as "showing up at most articles tagged for Rescue and finding a reason to say delete" is totally out of line. <end copy> Don't personalise debate. Comment on the edits, not the editor. Don't malign Hrafn. Or me, as you've done above. Or anyone.
While I see where you're coming from, it doesn't preclude the other editors commenting and voicing their opinions. YES, it may result in POINT-y stuff being listed. But if we cannot catch it before more than a handful of editors voice their views regarding the XfD's, then I choose to be more lenient on the issue (as in, NOT retroactively toss the whole thing, especially when the resulting XfD's have run their durations. - Penwhale | 15:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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