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Obvious POV-pushing by an editor who only days ago had her topic ban on Arab-Israeli topics lifted - a topic ban that was imposed because of this user's history of disruption, POV-pushing, and anti-Arab racism. There is no indication that Arabic translations of Mein Kampf are a particularly notable topic - most of the cited sources contain only a couple of pages or less on the subject out of hundreds of pages (some only a sentence!), and most of the rest are conservative newspapers rather than scholarly books or journal articles. One of the scholarly sources even states that Mein Kampf did not figure prominently in Arabic-language Nazi propaganda. The lack of notability of this particular translation combined with the transparent attempt on the part of the creator to link Arabs and Nazis makes this a good candidate for deletion. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Keep Well, here we go again: first, as far as sources go a. I'm inclined to accept the two newspapers cited as Reliable Sources b. I think the article could probably be kept on the basis of the books by Herf, Gottreich/Schroeter, and Mallman/Cuppers/Smith. Those three books appears to be published by pretty reputable publishers, and discussion of the translation is (in my opinion, at least) non-trivial. Second, we could just clean up the POV and accuracy issues without deleting. If the POV problems are that bad, we could just stub the article and re-build rather than deleting it. I've rescued a few articles that way recently. Third, I think this needs a new title, maybe something a bit broader like Mein Kampf in the Arab World or something. Fourth, worst case scenario, a selective merge to Mein Kampf would probably be a better idea than outright deletion. Qrsdogg (talk) 02:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I disagree that the POV problem here can be corrected through normal editing, since the POV problem is the existence of the article when we do not have articles on Mein Kampf in any other language or on its reception by any other ethnic group. (Lest you think this is a WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST argument, no, it's a WP:UNDUE argument.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I think the fact that we have uneven coverage here is a good reason to start more articles, rather than delete this one. The history of the English and Russian translations of MK would probably be pretty interesting. In any case, Stefan Wild's work on the topic seem to be a pretty solid academic source, certainly more than just a page or two there. Qrsdogg (talk) 03:05, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Strong keep Big fat yawn. Obvious POV push delete by Roscelese who barely can contain her anger or provide evidence why this should deleted. Anyways, notability of this topic is established by large number of reliable sources on it. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
"I disagree with her reasons" =/= "She has not provided reasons." Indeed, I have provided several: an unfixable POV problem and a lack of notability in the sources that matter. But thanks for the personal attack and the tone argument, dude. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Keep I see solid references. Stating that the existence of this article by itself is POV while it is WP:V sounds contradictory. --DeVerm (talk) 03:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC).
Obvious POV-pushing by an editor who only days ago had her topic ban on Arab-Israeli topics lifted - a topic ban that was imposed because of this user's history of disruption, POV-pushing, and anti-Arab racism
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The editor, who is accused in anti-Arab racism wrote following articles just to name a few:
The lack of notability of this particular translation combined with the transparent attempt on the part of the creator to link Arabs and Nazis makes this a good candidate for deletion.
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I did not link Arabs to Nazis, I only used reliable sources and let's see the names of the sources:
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam.
Mein Kampf for sale, in Arabic.
Their Kampf Hitler’s book in Arab hands"
Nazi propaganda for the Arab world
National Socialism in the Arab near East between 1933 and 1939
Nazi Palestine: The Plans for the Extermination of the Jews in Palestine
A Genealogy of Evil: Anti-Semitism from Nazism to Islamic Jihad
No speedy keep criteria apply to this nomination. We've been through this before - your personal belief that your articles are good and that I am bad is not a speedy keep criterion. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Speedy keep if I ever saw one. The book is highly notable, any Arabic translations/editions, given the long history of postwar AI worries in the ME, are likewise more than notable enough for an article on en:WP. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Speedy keep Mbz1 has proven that all reasons nominated in the deletion request are as far away from reality as possible. Broccolo (talk) 03:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Again, no speedy keep criteria apply here. Your personal belief that Mbz is good, and that her own personal belief that I am bad must therefore be correct, is not a speedy keep criterion. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone care to actually address the issues in the nomination? I pointed out that many of these mentions were trivial and that most of the in-depth sources were not of the quality that we should be asking for in such an exhaustively written-about topic as Nazi history. I also pointed out that the existence of the article creates a NPOV problem through WP:UNDUE, in that we suggest that there is more to say about the Arabic translation than any other translation. None of the keep votes have addressed these comments, instead preferring to cite a policy that doesn't apply here and to complain about the chutzpah I'm showing in daring to nominate an article by Mbz1. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Nothing notable about the prevalence of the key book of Nazi literature in the Arab-Muslim world, where anti-Semitism is endemic? Even Malcom Little had more intellectual honesty. Plot Spoiler (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Keep and Rename toMein Kampf in the Arabic language I don't agree that the newspapers article in The Daily Telegraph and The National Review are poor sources nor do I think they should be outright dismissed-- what kind of newspapers, for example, would be sufficient enough for the nominator? The newspaper articles are sufficiently independent of the subject matter, and they cover the book in-depth about its sales and its controversy. The translation is also discussed several times in this book, where I did a search highlighting appropriate usage of the terms. I agree that some sources are pretty lousy (such as this one or this one), because they do not provide sufficient coverage. But, using multiple sources to demonstrate notability through cumulative impact is legitimate. After reading through the sources provided by the here in the AfD as well as the current ones on the article, I don't believe the attempt to establish notability of the topic has been transparent. I, Jethrobot04:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Snow Keep. Per the overwhelming consensus to keep this article, as expressed above, because it meets GNG. One big TROUT to the nom -- poor nomination, as evidenced by its poor reception at this AfD.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Delete. Having an article devoted to the translated version of a book is bizarre. Having that said, as deletion discussions are polls, the article will be kept due to "no consensus", as there are plenty of socks of banned users, POV-pushers etc out there. My advice is to at least rename the article to "Mein Kampf (Arabic translation)" or something similar. That would be less embarrassing. --Frederico1234 (talk) 12:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
comment The argument that specific translations of major shouldn't get articles seems weak. If there are enough sources there shouldn't be an issue. For example, we have articles on the Septuagint, King James Bible. Poking around, I'm a little surprised that we don't have articles on the various major translations of Euclid's Elements. If I wrote such articles would you support their deletion? note that the controversial nature of Mein Kampf cannot by itself be a reason to distinguish the two situations. JoshuaZ (talk) 14:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure, King James Bible deserve its own article as that translation has its own name and is well-known. Point taken. In this case however, we're talkning about a translation that does not even have its own name. None of this matter however, as there are multiple "keep"-votes. The article will be kept regardless of whether it violates policy or not. --Frederico1234 (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, how does having an official name have anything to do with whether or not the article should be kept? What policy is relevant to that? JoshuaZ (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Right, it does not explicitly forbid articles without commonly known names. But please see WP:BKD, which says that "It is a general consensus on Misplaced Pages that articles on books should not be split and split again into ever more minutiae of detail treatment".
My point with commenting on this AFD was to prevent serious editors from wasting their time, as the article will be kept no matter the quality of their arguments. A secondary point was to protest how inherently flawed Misplaced Pages deletion "discussions" are when the subject article is in the domain of the I-P topic field, and thus subject to all its glory of sock-puppetry, off-wiki-canvassing, tendentious editors etc. I believe my job here is done. --Frederico1234 (talk) 08:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)