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    Jiujitsuguy

    Topic ban extended two months. EdJohnston (talk) 03:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Jiujitsuguy

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    nableezy - 03:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC) 03:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Jiujitsuguy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 02:32, 1 July 2011 Discussing the topic area, personal attacks (accusations made without any supporting evidence of having others edit on my behalf)
    2. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Sandstein&diff=prev&oldid=437166111 Discussing the topic area
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Diff of notification of topic ban 13:02, 4 March 2011
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    block, reset of topic ban

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Since being banned in March, Jiutjitsuguy has done almost nothing except discuss the topic area, on numerous occasions making unsubstantiated allegations about other users. I say almost, because he did make 2 edits one day in an unrelated area, adding a citation request and asking a related question on the talk page. In his most recent activity, Jiujitsuguy makes an absurd accusation that a "a radical pro-Palestinian sock puppeteer" edited on my behalf. I dont know how far email logs go back, but if somebody can check great, but I have never contacted Cryptonio or been contacted by him, and the suggestion that he edited "on my behalf" is ludicrous and has never even been raised before. His next edit was to Sandstein's talk page, where he divides editors as "Western" or "elements with radical pro-Syrian, Pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Iranian viewpoints". This followed a prior edit on EdJohnston's talk page where he discussed the topic area here, that he later struck here.

    I would not buy any excuse of not knowing the extent of his topic ban based on what happened at EdJohnston's talk page. He would have had no reason to strike his comment if he thought it was not in violation of his topic ban. nableezy - 05:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    Where on earth "Topic bans are usually reset only after the third violation" came from is not something I know. But if you insist, violation 1, violation 2, and violation 3. nableezy - 06:59, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    Ill repeat the point, Jiujitsuguy was very obviously aware of the scope of his ban. Otherwise he would not have stricken his comment on EdJohnston's talk page. And Chesdovi, you are violating your own topic ban by commenting here. Topic bans include all pages on Misplaced Pages and bar you from discussing the topic area. Topic bans are reset on violations, see for example here. A reset is necessary because a block will do nothing. JJG is not editing anything, a block does not affect him in any way. A reset will convince him not to continue violating the topic ban and posting disparaging comments about others. nableezy - 12:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    JJG, Courcelles did not impose your ban and did not comment on it. He gave a clarification on the scope of another ban. You were banned from discussing the area of conflict anywhere on Misplaced Pages. The admin that imposed your ban agrees your comment is in violation of it. You yourself effectively admitted to understanding that scope when you struck out your comments at EdJohnston's talk page. nableezy - 13:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    Also, the fact that JJG's comments are filled with personal attacks should be considered, as it was the reason I came here at all. He accused others of editing "on my behalf" without any evidence. He further divided editors into one of two groups, the pro-Western and pro-Israel and the "elements with radical pro-Syrian, Pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Iranian viewpoints". I am sure many of the editors in the topic area would not appreciate the implication made in that division. nableezy - 13:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    And finally, the terms of JJG's ban were made clear to him. He was banned according to WP:TBAN, which at the time said this (still does)

    For example, if an editor is banned from the topic "weather", they are not only forbidden to edit the article Weather, but also everything else that has to do with weather, such as: ... discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages

    nableezy - 13:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    Corcelles comments on an unrelated ban is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the terms of your topic ban, which you showed you understood by striking out the comments on EdJohnston's talk page. Regarding my edit notice, that is true. I should have clarified that unsubstantiated attacks are not covered. Either way, there is more than one example of your violating your topic ban, and your language below about me contains further personal attacks. nableezy - 14:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    NW, if you want to buy JJGs claim that he did not know that user talk pages were covered that is up to you. But it is obviously not the case. When he made a comment on EdJohnston's talk page related to the topic area, he was informed that it was covered in his ban, and he subsequently struck out his comments. Finally, given your off-wiki contact with JJG and the fact that you made an ill-founded indef block based on that off-wiki contact, I question whether or not you can be considered uninvolved on issues related to me and him. Your trigger happy approach in support of him seems very odd compared to your desire to reduce any sanctions here. You completely disregard that both of the diffs here are filled with attacks on other editors, instead calling the disruption "minimal". I dont know about you, but an unfounded accusation of meatpuppetry made against me is not something I consider "minimally disruptive", especially when it comes from somebody who has repeatedly engaged in meatpuppetry, which you know very well. nableezy - 16:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

    Does anybody plan on doing anything here, or is a topic banned editor allowed to repeatedly make personal attacks directed at other users while violating his topic ban? nableezy - 14:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

    The discussion of Courcelles' clarification regarding an unrelated topic ban misses the point. The issue here is not just the topic ban violation, which is both obvious and repeated (again, see JJG's edit to EdJohnston's talk page which he struck when informed that it violated he ban), but that the violations themselves are filled with personal attacks. That has not been addressed by JJG at all, or by any of the other comments either. Even if he were not under a topic ban, his comments were, and are, unacceptable. An unfounded, and in fact bizarre, accusation of meatpuppetry, along with the classifying of editors as being either "Western" or "elements with radical pro-Syrian, Pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Iranian viewpoints" demonstrate that there very clearly is an issue here. Forget about the clear cut violation if you want, even without it there is clearly an issue here. nableezy - 18:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified

    Discussion concerning Jiujitsuguy

    Statement by Jiujitsuguy

    NW are u fucking kidding? I haven't edited a single I-A article or talk page since my ban and have less than two months to go and you want to sanction me again for asking my banning admin to take a proactive approach? WTF man!--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    • Sorry NW for the profanity. I’ve stricken it. Please see this diff and answer by Courcelles who clarified the breath and scope of the topic ban and declined to issue a sanction against another user who was under a similar ban and commented on an AE dealing with the subject matter. By this interpretation, I could have added comments on enforcement actions (and I didn't even do that!) without violating my topic ban. If I thought otherwise do you really think I would have left a message for Sandstein (the admin who topic banned me) to be vigilant? Let me clearly state that I am more than 2/3 through my topic ban. I haven’t edited a single I-A article, article talk page, AE, ANI, SPI or any thing to do with I-A. In the absence of any other interpretation concerning the breath and scope of the ban, I relied on Courcelles’ interpretation. I have complete respect for the rules and the admins who enforce them. Please AGF and let me finish the duration of my ban unmolested. You won’t hear another peep from me.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 12:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • @Sandstein, all I asked was for vigilance and that’s it. In the absence of any other recent interpretation, I relied on the interpretation of Courcelles concerning the parameters of the ban. Do you think I would have left you of all people this message had I known that there would be a problem? For more than four months I have scrupulously adhered to the provisions of the ban. Considering my strict adherence to the ban, the fact that I only have two months left and in light of Courcelles' interpretation, please AGF.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


    • @Tim. Tim, I've nearly completed my topic ban without a single transgression. My mistake was my misplaced reliance on Courcelles interpretation of prunesqualer's ban. He has clarified it and I understand it and will not repeat it. This was not a flagrant, willful transgression, done with intent to flaunt the rules or make some profound statement. It was a non-purposeful mistake and that's it. Do you really believe that I would have left that message on the banning admin's page if I thought otherwise? Whatever, I've repeated myself adnausum and have nothing more to add. I hope that you AGF and just let me finish the rest of my ban, which is nearly complete.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Jiujitsuguy

    • Jiujitsuguy is a rational person capable of productive editing who in many ways represents the kind of radicalized (IMO) editor who needs to be brought in from the cold in my view. Talking to him to try to change his approach to editing would be far better in the long term than simply shutting him down. Unless a way can be found to moderate the approach of intelligent people like Jiujitsuguy through dialog and make it more consistent with the objectives of Misplaced Pages there is little hope for improvement in the topic area. There are thousands of potential Jiujitsuguy's out there. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Sandstein makes a good point about editing outside of the topic area while topic banned. Perhaps that should be used as leverage in place of ban hammers to see if it helps. Maybe it's better to tell editors that they have to make something like 100 edits outside the topic area for every 1 edit within the topic area rather than simply topic banning them or at least give them a choice between the 2 options. It's form of forced labor that would allow Misplaced Pages to profit from a real world conflict. There may be some moral and ethical implications I've missed but it seems like a win-win. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • DUDE! JJG, you are going to get yourself in trouble if you cuss towards NW like that. It looks like NW is interpreting "is topic-banned from the area of conflict for six months" as not being allowed to comment anywhere about anything that has to do with the topic area. It is a legitimate interpretation. I assume you interpret it as staying away from articles and their talk pages from your reaction. If that is the case, lets get it clarified and stick to it. A simple misunderstanding isn't worthy of a topic ban but there is no way NW is going to not consider sanctions if you start acting like me. Cptnono (talk) 04:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    Statement by Broccolo

    Even if the user violated his topic ban a short block is sufficient for the first time violation. Topic bans are usually reset only after the third violation. Broccolo (talk) 06:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    • Courcelles , I do not believe topic should be reset at this time. Nableezy himself violated his topic ban a few times as it is seen from his block log. His topic ban was not reset. User:Gilabrand's topic ban was reset only after she was blocked for fourth time. I support NW call for closing this AE with no sanction and I hope Jiujitsuguy understands it was his last warning and will not repeat similar action for the duration of his topic ban. Broccolo (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Timotheus, you might be right about starting imposing indefinite topic bans but this is is not the right situation to do it. If it was a violation of the topic ban it was rather mild and made not in the articles. Similar violations of different bans happen every day. For example Nableezy called fellow editors "jackals". He probably was talking about Cptnono. Nableezy has an interaction ban with Cptnono. Should we go ahead, and ban Nableezy from A/I conflict topic indefinitely? Once again I propose to close this request with no actions. Broccolo (talk) 18:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
    Statement by Chesdovi

    A topic ban means a ban on the topic, not on discussing the ban itself. Jiujitsuguy highlighted some facts and provided a suggestion at Sansteins page. He did not discuss editorial changes to any topic or the like. A topic ban is not a gaging order for heaven’s sake. Chesdovi (talk) 09:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by No More Mr Nice Guy

    This report just validates the point JJG was making on Sandstein's page. Considering Nableezy is the submitter of this report (3 reports in a week, is that a record?) rather than its subject, I expect a ban escalating both in length and scope from the previous one. I suggest banning JJG from the whole internet for 3 years. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 10:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

    Statement by Malik Shabazz

    Jiujitsuguy's message to Sandstein not only violates her/his topic ban, it also represents the worst sort of BATTLEGROUND mindset as well as a personal attack. I am more than a little dumbfounded at the notion that AGF allows that sort of thing to be swept under the rug. If I weren't involved in this area, I would have reverted the message to Sandstein and blocked Jiujitsuguy myself. I can't believe that none of you has the balls to do it. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

    @Brewcrewer: Where has Jiujitsuguy "backtracked"? Why are the comments still on Sandstein's Talk page? — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 02:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
    I'm not looking for blood, I'm looking for an acknowledgement from somebody, anybody, that likening other editors to terrorists is not acceptable behavior. The silence is deafening. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 03:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
    Comment by BorisG

    I am compelled to re-iterate my claim that tit for tat AE requests made by editors highly involved in I-P (and similar controversial topics) magnify the drama and are not serving the purpose of building an encyclopieda. I suggest we seriously consider Gatoclass's latest proposal. - BorisG (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

    Sure, but where can I find it? Thanks in advance. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
    . - BorisG (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
    Comment by Brewcrewer

    This almost daily AE reporting is ridiculous and I am astounded that it is being allowed to continue. JGG made some comments that were germane but tangential to the Arab-Israel conflict. He now backtracked. This can be safely closed now.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

    @Malik Shabazz. Ugh, it looks like you're just looking for blood. AE is unabated egregious behavior, not for technical violations, for which there has been an apology. JGG may be guilty of the latter, but we both know an editor or two guilty of the former who you apparently defend without fail at every single opportunity. Please correct if I am wrong.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
    What? How did I get dragged into this mess? --JGGardiner (talk) 07:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    Agreed Brewcrewer. We all know what the problem is. Editors who are here to start trouble are getting off their blocks. Look at the request to lift Nish's (an editor who broke their topic ban multiple times and will be back in the near future). JJG is actually not a poor editor. He really really disagrees with some but as long as he doesn't edit war it should be all good. But let ARBCOM let them back and let the admins patrolling the topic area deal with it in a knee-jerk and inconsistent fashion. Have fun you crazy kids :) Cptnono (talk) 01:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
    Comment by Cla68

    I agree with T. Canens that you all should start giving indefinite topic bans to these guys. Maybe that would get their attention so there wouldn't be an I/P-based enforcement request posted every week as is currently the case. Cla68 (talk) 05:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by Peter Cohen

    Looking at JJG's recent edit history, he has shown himself incapable of contributing to Misplaced Pages outside the I/P battleground. Even if his comments on misunderstanding the scope of the ban are taken as made in good faith, the posts he made just show that he is only capable of thinking of Misplaced Pages in terms of whether his side is treated as fairly as the other side or not with the usual battleground-mentality conclusion of not. This is an attitude we can do without. People who genuinely want to improve the encyclopedia can be shown leniency. (Mbz1 and JayJG come to mind as examples on the I side of the battleground.) People who are just here to push their views should be told where to go. Reset or extend the ban.--Peter cohen (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Jiujitsuguy

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    • That's a pretty clear violation of the topic ban. Suggestions on possible sanctions besides a topic ban reset? NW (Talk) 04:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I agree that at least the post to my talk page violates the topic ban, but leave it to others to decide what to do about it. It's not encouraging that Jiujitsuguy has essentially only edited around the edges of the topic since being topic-banned, though, rather than doing productive work in other areas.  Sandstein  05:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • People that places topic ban notices really ought to spell out what a topic ban entails just so a loophole can be closed. I don't favor a reset currently, but may be persuaded otherwise. - Penwhale | 09:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • To Jiujitsuguy, I clarified and made clear the rules on a topic ban that I placed another user on, as part of a pathway towards a lifting of the restriction. This is a looser restriction than the usual language of topic bans. You, however, have no such clarification from either this forum, ArbCom itself, or the admin who placed your topic ban. I agree that Jiujitsuguy is in violation of his topic ban, and suggest a reset and a firm reminder to not come anywhere near the lines of it in the future. Courcelles 23:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Assuming good faith that JJG didn't know that what he was doing is wrong, and taking into consideration the fact that any disruption his edits caused was minor, I'm inclined to dismiss this request and clarify exactly what his topic ban means. @JGG, with regards to Courcelles' diff about Prunesqualer, that's certainly not the traditional way a general topic ban is supposed to be handled. Courcelles had apparently meant to make the topic ban article space only but forgot to specify; yours was specifically meant to cover all pages of the Misplaced Pages. NW (Talk) 00:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I would favor a reset of the topic ban, basically per Courcelles and Sandstein. The lack of evidence of collaborative editing in unrelated topics is extremely concerning especially in light of the current acrimonious climate in this topic area. In fact, I think that we should start using WP:ARBRB-style topic bans for this topic area instead of the usual fixed-duration ones. T. Canens (talk) 21:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Having re-read Sandstein's original ban message from 4 March 2011, I agree with the others here who find this to be a violation of Jiujitsuguy's topic ban. Sandstein indicated that the ban was per WP:TBAN, which is very broadly worded. Penwhale is for the moment against a ban reset, Courcelles suggests a reset, T. Canens favors a reset, NW believes that JJG deserves a clarification, Sandstein does not recommend any particular sanction. A full reset of the ban would be a four-month extension, so I'm compromising with a two-month extension of JJG's topic ban from the Arab-Israeli conflict. The new expiry will be 4 November, 2011. In choosing this result, I am influenced by the seriousness of the original violation from last March, which asserted misrepresentation of sources, and the fact that JJG has done very little editing in other areas during the ban. EdJohnston (talk) 03:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Δ

    No action. Forum shopping. Wikihounding needs to stop. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Δ

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Aaron Brenneman (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Δ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand_2#Betacommand_instructed

    The text reads "Betacommand is thanked for his contributions to the project but is instructed To refrain from any further instances of untoward conduct". While the "such as" that follows is a specific example, the language is clear that it's an "e.g." not an "i.e."

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. (remove non-free content overuse) Revision as of 00:49, 5 July 2011
    2. (remove non-free content overuse) Revision as of 17:44, 5 July 2011
    3. (remove non-free content overuse) Revision as of 14:58, 6 July 2011
    4. (remove non-free content overuse) Revision as of 15:05, 6 July 2011
      In particular, not that this was a reversion of Rcsprinter123's edit of 15:04, 6 July 2011 that had edit summary "it needs the book covers - the policy doesn't cover that." He reverts twice more without communicating with this editor, I believe that this constitutes a violation of his editting restrictions as well as violating the policy.
    5. (remove non-free content overuse) Latest revision as of 15:50, 6 July 2011

    There were at least two areas where Δ's conduct was being discussed when these edits took place, Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Betacommand 2011 and Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Request_exemption_of_restrictions. (Please note that I'm not including Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#WP3RRN_Delta7July2011 since I initiated that report post facto.) A large number of editors have commented in that thread, many of whom are not previously involved in any disagreement with Δ. There is a subsection of one of those very long pages where a topic ban is being debated, and it continues to trend towards a postive consensus.

    Given the ongoing debate, and noting in particular that Δ appears based upon the ongoing discussion at the WP3RRN to not understand the problem, I'm asking for enforcement. I'll be quite direct: I don't have any evidence that Δ thinks he's doing anything "untoward" by continuing these actions, or even by reverting the move of his "loosen the restrictions" proposal. I believe that he's sticking his finger up at the peanut gallery, but probably still thinks he's "technically correct" to do so. However, it appears clear to a large segment of the community that it is untoward to continue any course of action while it is engendering intense debate.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    I have not warned this user. I'm aware that this misses a tick box, but given the ongoing debate (and in particular this editor's behavior with respect to subpaging, his ongoing recalcitrance, and the general drama-fest) I feel it would be overly paper-pushin' at this point.

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    1. I'd like an "injunction" on Δ doing any more work in this area,
    2. I'd like the ongoing topic ban discussion to be allowed to run its course in some manner
    3. I'd like Δ to be encouraged to continue to develop the proposed solution as it is now on WP:AN, with the caveat that there is clearly no need for him to have restrictions removed for this work to be carried out.
    4. I'd like some finger wagging to be directed at those who continue to enable Δ, to use an unfortunate word. There is a small rant on my part below where I expand on this point.

    While it's clear to me that asking for a block would be reasonable, I'm really not trying to "punish" Δ. There do exist people whose opinions I trust who say his programming skills are an asset to the project. And clearly Δ wants to continue to contribute.

    It's unfortunate that it's come to this, but I'm hoping for an outcome that will be a net benefit to all.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Misplaced Pages:Fair use overuse, linked from the edit sumaries, is an essay. Misplaced Pages:3RR#3RR_exemptions is quite clear in that "Removal of clear copyright violations or content that unquestionably violates the non-free content policy (NFCC)," . Per Misplaced Pages:NFLISTS#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles "It is inadvisable to provide a non-free image for each entry in such an article or section," .

    When good-faith objection to removals of this type, particularly by experianced editors, has occured across several venues (diffs availible if required) it's clearly not a good idea to keep doing the same thing.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    notified. This sucks, doing this whole thing, it's really a shame. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Rant on enablers

    A good deal of this drama (and I don't mean now, I mean the whole long drawn-out saga) could have been avoided if there was not a small-but-vocal proΔ group. I'll frankly and fearless and call out Hammer specifically here. While I can provide diffs if requested, I don't actually believe that anyone who's looked into this for more than one minute will doubt that the cycle tends to be Δ does something, userF reverts, Δ drops a "you'll be blocked" template, userF uses talk pages, Hammer shows up.

    The behaviour goes well beyond just cleaning up Δ's mess, escalating not only to smear tactics but to outright childishness. I've only just become aware of Hammer's "somebody stop me!" edit in which, looking at his edits; he appears to increase his NFC removal rate just to make a point.

    Speaking only for myself, last week I had no dog in this race. I'd seen the drama many times, had voiced an opinion in a few !votes, but I certainly wasn't partisan. but in the last few days the unrepentant bullying, not by Δ but by his "posse," has really pissed me off. To be blunt. So yes, I do now have a "side" here, but I'm trying quite hard to continue to be calm and reasonable, despite the occasional character assassination directed my way. And, if I'm being honest with myself, regardless of what happens now I'll certainly be on the look out for whomever the next person is that's getting the treatment I've gotten at the hands of the enablers. (Man, I need a better word.)

    The tendency of some small groups to form intractable positions and defend them against all comers is one that has led to some of the largest blow-ups we've had: user boxes, spoilers, schools. We really need to develop a better system than the one we currently have, where whomever has the least social grace eventually "wins".

    Feel free to blank this section if you think it useful, anyone and everyone. Except Hammer. (No, just kidding, I don't own my edits, blank away if you like.)

    Thanks for your eyes,
    Aaron Brenneman (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning Δ

    Statement by Δ

    Im going to be blunt and to the point, Im fucking pissed off at this constant harassment, stalking and wiki-hounding against me. I have time and again proven my actions correct with regards to NFCC enforcement. Most of these users stalk my edits, harass me and are vocal against NFC policy. If needed I can provide plenty of evidence of forum shopping, stalking and un-civil comments directed towards myself. I do regular enforcement of NFCC and there are users who refuse to get the point, or want to ignore the policy. I politely explain things if asked, and I warn users appropriately for repeated violations. (the same thing many NFC patrolers do) however due to the fact that I tend to do the enforcement on a larger scale (and one of the few who is willing to take the shit thrown at me for doing so) I am a target. Most of these users want to see WP:NFCC repealed or at least turned into a spineless ineffective policy so that they can include copious amounts of non-free files in their pet articles, without any regard to our m:Mission or our current policy WP:NFCC. They know they cannot attack the policy directly so they do the next best thing harass, stalk, try to intimidate and drive us away from enforcing policy. I have seem them drive several great editors away by their sheer pointless torment. Because I really dont give a flying fuck about their opinions and instead enforce NFCC as it is written, and have proven that they cannot bully me into moving into another area they are trying to make another end run around policy and shut us up for enforcing policy. I would like to see a topic ban regarding NFC and those who enforce it applied to Crossmr, Georgewilliamherbert, CBM, MickMacNee, Aaron Brenneman, and Buffs. ΔT 05:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Δ

    Comment by Buffs

    Canens below states "This does not appear to be an enforceable remedy." I would like to know why not? Buffs (talk) 05:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    And since Δ has seen fit to respond (no malice/negligence implied), I will respond by saying that I do not have a problem with NFCC nor the manner in which it is generally applied. I have come to agreements with several other users (to include Hammersoft and other Δ supporters regarding NFCC issues and how NFCC are to be applied). The issue I take as do most of those mentioned above, and I can't stress this enough, is with the manner in which Δ applies said policy (which are violations of OTHER policies and guidelines: WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:3RR, etc). Way, way, way, WAY too often, the root of far too much dramaz is Δ. Δ can work other aspects of this project but actively chooses not to do so. Instead, he continues to press full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. Outbursts featuring profanity (like the above) are rare, but still too frequent...and they highlight the hostile attitude that permeates Δ's interactions on WP. Recent community discussions had a clear majority opinion (roughly 65-35) supporting Δ's restriction from the NFCC arena. No admin acted upon the request, but the request was closed nonetheless with no action taken or even a closing note. I believe this page is the next step in the process and this certainly isn't forum shopping. Buffs (talk) 05:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    As for the advocation of a block against me, I'd like to see any hard evidence other than "Buffs disagrees with me sometimes"...hardly a blockable offense. I also tend to use far less expletives. Buffs (talk) 06:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    Comment by CIreland

    Closing administrators should be aware that this is basically a request to overturn Spartaz's closure of a recently filed report (also filed by A. Brenneman) concerning the same edits at WP:ANEW. CIreland (talk) 05:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by Mathsci

    This request seems like a stunt by Aaron Brenneman, who, according to his own statement, has been forum shopping. Mathsci (talk) 05:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    I'm not the first to comment on this travelling circus. Mathsci (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
    Comment(s) by brenneman

    Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I'd prefer not to clog up the sections above. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 06:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    • @Buffs - Can you provide a link to the 65-35 you mention above? Thank you. Urgh, the link was right there. -_-
    • @Mathsci - Did you miss the bits where I was trying to keep discussion in one spot and was reverted? It's clear to me that this was both a 3RR violation and a restriction violation. Hard to accuse me of forum shopping when I've taken such great pains to point on each forum to the other discussions, I'd have thought?
    • @Mathsci again - The close was, err, odd, and so low-key I actually missed it, asking in a later edit who'd closed it. The close fails to explain anything about why it was closed, why it was not a violation... anything, really, just "this is not leading to a block" (emphasis mine). What does that acutally mean? I'd like a better explanation of that, please.
    • @Beet - Sorry to dash this off, and haven't looked at the diffs, time is precious at this second, but I thought it was important enough to blurt out: but you're correct in much of what you say.
    Comment by Beetstra

    So, the edit warring request was closed by an uninvolved admin as 'no vio', there was clear overuse on the page, and now Aaron Brenneman comes here to enforce it in another way? No, Aaron, you cross-posting it in open discussions was not the Forum shopping, but having this request here after the previous discussion is closed as 'no vio' is Forum shopping to get Delta banned. Yet another chapter in the story of bashing Delta around, and while bashing him around accusing him of not wanting to cooperate (while this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this (until the 5th post in that thread ..), this - decent questions, nice answers). Yes, the focus is on 'Delta does not communicate', 'Delta does not communicate in a civil way'. Maybe those approaching Delta should change their ways?

    Aaron Brenneman (and I am talking here as I think you would call me one of Delta's 'enablers'): There equally is a group of editors who bash Delta around on every occasion possible, I would like to see some finger-wagging towards those as well, as those editors do nothing when Delta is approached in a rude way. Those same editors do nothing when editors are edit-warring with Delta where the violation is unquestionable (not saying that the overuse in this article was not unquestionable), those same editors do nothinghardly anything to help solving the problem (but leave the policy violations stand while continuously complaining that they are so friggin' easy to solve). Do I need to go on? And those are exactly the editors who are calling on banning him (for which there is not a massive support), who threaten to block Delta while he is completely right, who keep on yelling that Delta should be fixing the rationales himself (something that is utterly not supported by policy - while having that rationale is supported by policy), who go into edit wars with him because they do not understand why he is removing something, who do not ask questions but yell first, who fail to assume good faith on Delta (because Delta is the one that is obviously wrong, isn't he, even when he is right?). I am sorry, Aaron, I find this attempt at silencing the 'small-but-vocal proΔ group', obviously in an attempt to get rid of Delta, despicable. </rant>

    Maybe the ones who show this continuous behaviour of bashing around Delta should be banned from NFC - as far as I see it, Delta is technically right in 99+% of the cases (and the only holding counter argument is, that there are better solutions than removing - well, there has been nothing stopping anyone from doing that in the last 3 years, it has been suggested over and over to get that off the ground), but still the opposers do nothing but yell at Delta, and hardly any significant effort is made to solve the problem (such suggestions were not followed up in the past. --Dirk Beetstra 09:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by Kusma

    As Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand_2#Review_and_future_remedies states, "The Committee expects that the disputes and disruption underlying this case will cease as a result of this decision. In the event of non-compliance or a continued pattern of disputes, further review by the Committee may be sought after a reasonable time. In such a review, the Committee may impose appropriate sanctions including but not limited to the revocation of any user's privilege to use automated tools such as bots and scripts, revocation of other privileges, topic bans, civility restrictions, or any other remedies needed to end the disruption. Nothing in this paragraph restricts the authority of administrators to take appropriate action to deal with any disruptive incidents that may occur." I think three years are sufficient time to see that the underlying disputes and disruptions have not ceased. Clearly further action of some kind is required. For example, ban or topic ban Delta, or disallow any discussion of his edits. Or whatever. It is clear to me that there is a huge battleground mentality by people in this dispute, and that needs to be addressed for the sake of eventual peace. —Kusma (t·c) 10:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Δ

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    This does not appear to be an enforceable remedy. T. Canens (talk) 05:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    I'm closing this as unconstructive forum-shopping. We have more than enough Delta threads already, and this particular case was treated and concluded at the AN3 noticeboard. The wikihounding needs to stop. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

    QuackGuru

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning QuackGuru

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    DigitalC (talk) 06:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    QuackGuru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    User:QuackGuru has an extensive blocklog based on disruptive editing, and has a previous WP:RFC/U which was filed but s/he failed to participate in (). Mediation has been attempted (). S/he was cautioned multiple times (),() about tendentious editing at articles covered under Pseudoscience sanctions, and subsequently blocked for 2-weeks for violating the sanctions (). S/he was further topic-banned for 6 months from Chiropractic-related articles due "Due to persistent edit warring and general disruption of the editing and consensus process,"().

    This behaviour continues, and continues to be in an area that appears to be covered under the ArbCom sanctions.

    1. On July 7, QuackGuru made a mass of sweeping changes to the Chiropractic article, including removing sourced text without consensus (), where this text had consensus to be included not only in the article, but in the lead (). The lack of consensus to change this part of the article had been noted earlier the same day ).
    2. There has been extensive discussion at Talk:Pseudoscience () and WP:FTN () over the use of a source (Matute et al.) to verify text inserted into the article. There was consensus that the source was not suitable in the way it was being used, or at the very least no consensus for its use. On July 8th QuackGuru made major changes to the article without discussion on the talk page, and in doing so inserted the Matute reference without consensus (). When this was reverted - noting the lack of consensus - (), QuackGuru re-inserted the text again (). When reverted by another editor (), QuackGuru re-reverted (2rr) - and claimed that that editor supported the use of Matute ().
    3. There has also been disruption at Vertebral artery dissection. QuackGuru has proposed a change in text (in regards to chiropractic manipulation), which was not supported by editors on the talk page. This again centered around the use of a particular source, and spanned multiple subsections of the talk page. The article was stable for quite some time, but QuackGuru then proposed at an unrelated article talk page () to change the article. Despite having no consensus to make the change, and apparent consensus to not make the change, QuackGuru made a major controversial change to the article (). This contentious edit was reverted (), to which QuackGuru made a similar edit (). This was reverted by another editor (), but QuackGuru made the change again (). This lead to the article being locked.

    , & . DigitalC (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 29 September 2008 by FT2 (talk · contribs)
    2. Warned on 1 October 2008 by Lifebaka (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested
    9 month topic ban on all pseudoscience related articles, broadly construed.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The summary above shows evidence of multiple blocks, and continuing disruptive editing across the area of pseudoscience articles. The main issue is a failure to abide by consensus, and reversion instead of discussion. The last topic-ban, at 6 months, was apparently not enough to prevent this type of behaviour from recurring. A longer topic-ban, or alternate remedy should be considered.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AQuackGuru&action=historysubmit&diff=438700979&oldid=438700443


    Discussion concerning QuackGuru

    Statement by QuackGuru

    Comments by others about the request concerning QuackGuru

    The evidence on the sandbox page does not appear to rise to any sufficient level for the penalty sought, IMO. Collect (talk) 08:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by Jojalozzo

    QuackGuru has been advocating doggedly since last fall for the use of a research paper (Matute et al.) as a source in Pseudoscience. The consensus there and in Misplaced Pages:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard (where QG recently sought support for his position) is that the paper is not suited for QG's proposed use. As I understand it, one of the reasons for this enforcement request is QG's recent edits in Pseudoscience that included the disputed use of the paper in violation of consensus and two reversions of other editors' attempts (including mine) to enforce consensus.

    I find QG's discussion style tenditious, accusatory, repetitive, and notable for not-hearing. QG's talk page posts often consist of cryptic prose interspersed with links to policy and old diffs and unexplained quotations from Misplaced Pages articles and journal papers. I have rarely received a response to requests for clarifying explanations. I have not seen QG back down gracefully from a dispute even when doors are held open and I have seen little sign of skill in handling interpersonal friction. The result is a pointless standoff that drives many participants away and sucks all joy from the work.

    The cost to the project in energy and time expended on this single proposed use of one research paper is disproportionately large. As I understand it, this experience is being repeated in other articles and has been going on for years (see here). There is no indication that QG is able to correct this behavior beyond regular periods of lying low and unfortunately this ducking down has been rewarded with shortened bans and leniency despite the lack of real behavioral change. Even with the proposed remedy, the most it appears we can hope for is nine months of respite before we are all back at it again on the same issue or something similar. There are those who see another side to QG and advocate for mercy but in my experience the costs significantly outweigh any benefits. Jojalozzo 05:14, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comment by Becritical

    My views on this subject are here. I've had only one slight interaction with this user since, but it's obvious my opinion does not need modification. And I do not see any reason for a topic ban: an indef block is called for. BE——Critical__Talk 02:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning QuackGuru

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    PANONIAN

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning PANONIAN

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nmate (talk) 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    PANONIAN (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ]

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    PANONIAN is not a is not a problem free editor, he is so to speak an antediluvian edit warrior having been blocked several times who has somehow survived an indef-block on Misplaced Pages, but because those cases are bygone , right here I do not want to adduce them. Nevertheless, he is a dedicated Wikipedian, who is the author several articles ,all of which have made in very bad English. Also, he is very interested in drawing maps. Many of which have heavily been influenced by strong POV-pushing, and considering that he is a very prolific map creator, he is an enormous pest upon the community's shoulders. However, none of those cases I have been involved in in relation to PANONIAN.

    His comport is also oppugnable in connection with the fact that he has also often been expressed his anti-Hungarian viewpoint on Misplaced Pages. WP:NPA, WP:BATTLE

    For instance :

    • "User Hobartimus is one of the reasons why I do not want to log on since he track my edits (when I am loged on) and vandalize articles which I edit. He harasing me for more than 2 years by reverting my edits in numerous articles and accusing me for sockpupetry and other things (this page is an example of it) and I really do not know where to ask protection from his behaviour (and there are other users who were also his victims). The fact is that he is nationalist POV pusher and he will do anything to present that POV in Misplaced Pages and thus he harasing and accusing other users that do not agree with his behavior"
    • "Finally, if you check edits of user:Hobartimus, you will see that he is involved in constant revert wars with multiple users in many articles related to Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, etc trying to push Hungarian nationalist POV (and other users will confirm this"
    • "And it is very interesting that you (of all people) speak about Greater Serbian nationalism when you are noted Greater Hungarian nationalist who use Misplaced Pages to "fight" with various Romanian, Slovak and serb editors for "great national cause" - you are constantly involved in revert wars with multiple users trying to push your hungarocentric views for everything."
    • "How nice job, Baxter9 - it is very interesting how some Hungarian editors in Misplaced Pages are pushing even the most extreme Hungarian nationalistic POV in numerous articles"
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Notified on 4 April 2011 by HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested
    Topic ban on Hungary and Hungarians, broadly construed.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Even thogh these anti-Hungarian remarks are no longer pertinent , recently, something has happened to make them pertinent: I deleted an edit of him -> (one of the sources by which the sentence was backed up was a family blog of someone written in Hungarian, and PANONIAN can't even speak Hungarian, anyway). Soon after,I found myself the subject of a spurious sockpuppet investigation saying that I may be a sockpuppet of two established Hungarian users User:Baxter9 and User:Hobartimus on the grounds that we all are Hungarians ,we consecutively edited the same articles , and that we have the same interesting field, which is hardly surprising that if we all are of Hungarians.Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Nmate

    In the sockpuppet investigation, PANONIAN wanted to put me in touch with even user:VinceB who had been blocked for indefinite time one and a half years before I started to edit Misplaced Pages ,basing on the fact that I too am Hungarian. Also, it is interesting to note that my interaction with PANONIAN on Misplaced Pages is dated back to at least two years, and that of Baxter9 and Hobartimus may be even longer. The checkuser investigation was of course declined in which it self -admittedly came to light that User:Buhuhu who too was accused of being a sockpuppet of mine is a sockpuppet of User:Iaaasi, and even he told PANONIAN that that "Logic isn't your strongest point, isn't it? You don't need to be a genius to realize that any of accounts listed by you isn't a sock of Nmate" even before being blocked .

    I recommend taking into consideration that PANONIAN should be topic-banned from the topic of Hungary and Hungarians for making personal attacks on Hungarian Wikipedians, filling blantantly spurious SPI for block-shoping purposes aimed at me, and for ethinc vilifications aimed at Hungarians, which are incompetible with WP:PILLARS.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning PANONIAN

    Statement by PANONIAN

    I am not going to waste much of my time to this. Only two things: 1. I admit that I used somewhat "harsh language" in the past during some content disputes, but my behavior improved greatly since then and I am trying to be as polite as possible to other users (including Nmate). Anyway, please see what Nmate actually wrote about me after I requested sockpuppet investigation in relation to his revert warring: "If life were so easy, I would have gotten rid of them one by one as they all are enormous pests upon my shoulders": - this is actually very open threat where Nmate said that he "would have gotten rid of them" (presumably me and other users that supported sockpupet investigation about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Nmate ). So, while my "harsh language" was something that I used in distant past, open threat of Nmate is very new and very bad: in another words, "would have gotten rid" could mean that "he would kill me", so this is example of death threat addressed towards me. Also, here is evidence that Nmate in fact started this thread as a sort of revenge to me, which he clearly admitted: - "So then we will meet at ArbCom as my wrath that your recent gimmick caused me, needs to soothe". 2. As for requested topic ban "on Hungary and Hungarians", it is clear that I mostly do not edit such articles: - from my edit count everybody can see that I mostly edit articles related to Serbia (country where I live) and not articles related to Hungary. Only article "Greater Hungary (political concept)" is highly positioned in my edit count, but even that one was not edited very recently by me and even that one is related to Serbia. Also, I do not see any evidence that I ever said anything bad about Hungary or Hungarians. All my "harsh language" that is presented here was addressed to "Hungarian nationalism", which is an political ideology that cannot be equalized with Hungary or Hungarians. I used same "harsh language" for nationalists from other countries in some other discussions and this is only because I have liberal political ideas and I am opposing any kind of nationalism. Furthermore, I am ethnic Serb and I support independent Kosovo - can you find any more liberal person than me? :) So, if I will be on trial because I criticized some nationalistic concepts then direction in which Misplaced Pages might go does not look very bright. PANONIAN 16:38, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning PANONIAN

    @Nmate, 1. Listing such old diffs is waste of time and bandwidth. 2. Calling someone a pest right here on the AE page is a personal attack and can get you sanctioned. 3. It appears that sockpuppet investigation wasn't entirely without merit, since the user in question was found to be a sock, just not of you. 4. Accusing someone of bad English when your own English is far from perfect is not a very smart idea. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 16:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning PANONIAN

    This complaint is baseless. At first, it concerns generalised allegations, diffs supporting which are obviously stale. The only relevant and current complaint is about an SPI which, while it may have been a bit hastly, resulted in a sock being identified. Decision:
    1. The filer, Nmate, be blocked for three days for a personal attack made in this very AE (eg "pest upon the community's shoulders"). Nmate has been notified of the availability of such blocks before: so I see no reason why a block now is not appropriate.
    2. No action against PANONIAN, other than (at this stage) informal advice to be quite careful that SPI requests have a proper basis to proceed, especially in heated topic areas. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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