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Meowy

Meowy (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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03 January 2011
Suspected sockpuppets

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For some time these four accounts have been active in editing articles in Misplaced Pages, more active though after blocking of Magotteers, the sockpuppet of a banned User Meowy. The first three were limited to more or less specific articles such as Culture of Nagorno-Karabakh (just engaged in revert wars: , , , , , , , , , , further on, some reverts were supported by the other reported accounts Oliveriki (eg. , ), Vandorenfm (eg. ) which were apparently created for the sole purpose of avoiding 3RR and other restrictions) and Zar, Azerbaijan (with both Xebulon and IP 93.97.143.19 alternating ), whereas Xebulon became more active in the last few days and the latter one (IP 93.97.143.19) has been passionately editing the same articles and subject that User Meowy had been in the past. The behavioral pattern, character of edits is strikingly similar. The previous socks of Meowy User:Ionidasz and User:Magotteers had the same exact behavioral pattern. Meowy actually confirmed through his Magotteers account that he also was Ionidacz, and confirmed he had used sock accounts in the past all along (Please see ). So, there is no doubt that these accounts are closely related to the same person. Xebulon and Oliveriki might not be logged in from the same IP but they certainly quack like a duck.

I am not sure how much Meowy is Hetoum I, and how much these two banned users are related, but it was also confirmed by an administrator here that it's apparently the same sockpuppeteer of many accounts. Thank you! Tuscumbia (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is another striking resemblence how the IP 93.97.143.19 and User Meowy make the same related edits with the similar data from the same source: and today . Tuscumbia (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
"Related edits" - Jeez! I copiedpasted a source that had been cited in that first article to place it in the other article. So obviously they have "similar data", it is the same source title, author, publication date, etc. Would you rather I invented a new title for the source so that the data was "different"? 93.97.143.19 (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Admins, I'm not surprised RobertMel can be involved, or is Meowy himself. See his edits here , and here on Seyran Ohanian discussion where he defends Meowy's position on the issue and where Meowy was the prime "debater", after which he was blocked for a period of one year. The user jumps from one IP to another. Abuse of multiple accounts is his motto. That's why I do believe accounts Xebulon, Oliveriki and Vandorenfm are either acting on his behalf following his instructions or he does it using various IPs. Please check today's edits by Xebulon and 93.97.143.19. Same stuff. Tuscumbia (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Tuscumbia, I've checked the edits of all the accounts, but the only two who I can positively link are Magotteers (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) and RobertMel (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). The technical evidence strongly suggests that the rest are different people from hundreds of miles apart. It could be that the others are meatpuppets, though... Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, that's what I meant by acting on his behalf. It could also suggest that the banned user is travelling because his new sock accounts (geographically unconfirmed) have always appeared in the heat of ongoing discussions such as both Ionidacz and Magotteers, for example.
How about the banned User Hetoum I? Isn't he related to Meowy or to any of the reported accounts above? I am asking because this admin suggested there was some link between them (Please see ) Tuscumbia (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
There might be a link as far as editing styles etc, so it may well be other people acting on his behalf: but I can't tell that for sure. As for User Hetoum I, his edits are too old for us to check (after a while, the edits go stale). Maybe a more experienced CU would have better luck linking them, I'll let them comment. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Chase me ladies. Any relation to this account who is known to have been using socks as well? Tuscumbia (talk) 14:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
You are taking the concept of "fishing expedition" to new lows. Seems that ANYONE who ever objects to or reverses your edits is seen by you to be part of a single sockpuppet/meatpupped masterplan to do you down! 93.97.143.19 (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
IP 93.97.143.19: Who the h-e-l-l is/are Xebulon, Oliveriki, Vandorenfm, Magotteers, et al? I am NONE of these people! - Yes, that's right. That's what both User:Ionidasz and User:Magotteers would say too :) It's obvious how much you travel. So even if the geography of your accounts may not match, the behavioral pattern does. Tuscumbia (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeh, dozens of people create multiple accounts and travel the world in order to edit obscure Misplaced Pages articles just to torment you! 93.97.143.19 (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Is there a jaw-drop smillie available to place here? If there was, I'd add it. I'd add a whole row of them to give the full effect of my surprise! Who the h-e-l-l is/are Xebulon, Oliveriki, Vandorenfm, Magotteers, et al? I am NONE of these people! I haven't even seen any of those names in any edit histories or talk pages of articles I have edited. I suggest that Tuscumbia's real reason for this is that I have recently added some material that he has objected to, most especially to the List_of_Armenian_churches_in_Nakhchivan article, and rather than either accept the material as valid (which it all is), or counter with legitimate arguments, he has chosen to take this route. I admit I went to that article after being concerned about his edits elsewhere and noticed he had made past edits to it too, so I was following him about somewhat (though there is nothing wrong in that) so Tuscumbia could have found my actions to be annoying and aggressive, directed at him alone (but they are not). Administrators, please check through all the content edits I have made and try to find anything objectionable in them - I am certain you will find nothing. About all you will find dubious is a talk page comment in which I was trying to be ironical. 93.97.143.19 (talk) 18:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

After reading through Tuscumbia's scattergun approach to making sockpuppetry allegations, and looking through the Defending yourself against claims page, I'll make the following point. What evidence has Tuscumbia presented to show that my account is acting in a disruptive or forbidden manner? I don't see any evidence. I am not using a login editing account for my own reasons. I don't need to explain those reasons, and I am doing nothing wrong in not having a username. Seeing an editor using a IP address is NOT a valid reason to make a sockpuppetry allegation against that editor. Maybe I will eventually make a named account, maybe I won't - it is nobody's business but mine. I find the majority of Tuscumbia's recent edits questionable, designed to remove accurate information and insert dubious content. That is why I have been following his edits and adding further content to articles he has been editing. However, Tuscumbia seems to think that ANYONE who disagrees with ANY of his edits is part of a worldwide sockpuppet/meatpuppet conspiracy and should thus be blocked. It doesn't matter if editor's IPs are different, if the geographical locations are different, if many months or even years separate edits, etc. Take his citing of RobertMel as a member of this alleged worldwide group. From what I can see, many months ago that editor made a couple of talk page suggestions Seyran Ohanian discussion, suggestions which Tuscumbia disagreed with. For that act alone, Tuscumbia would now condemn him as a sockpuppet. Tuscumbia's "evidence" against me is at about the same level - there is no evidence, all there is is a display of unrestrained paranoia! I have not been disruptive, I want to continue editing using this IP, and I probably will eventually make a named account, so please dismiss Tuscumbia's fantastic allegations out of hand. 93.97.143.19 (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
OK I've opened a named user account. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
And for my first post under that new name, I need to say how troubling I find what has been going on. We seem to have example after example of accounts being blocked as sockpuppets not because of checkuser evidence but through speculative and entirely subjective "behavioural" reasons (the behaviour here being to edit an article that Tuscumbia has edited and having the audacity to interefere with a Tuscumbia edit). What has happened to the "Sockpuppet inquiry pages are only about account and IP misuse" statement on the article? I have been following Tuscumbia's edits because I find they have errors. So obviously I am editing the same articles as Tuscumbia. You might as well block Tuscumbia as a sockpuppet of me! Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Keep talking, Magotteers, RobertMel, Scribblescribblescribble, or whoever you are. One fact is undeniable, your editing pattern is the same as that of Meowy. Admins already linked RobertMel and Magoteers, and there was no Magoteers when Meowy was being blocked and RobertMel came to his defense in the Seyran Ohanian discussion. So, you can go on with your fantasy talk as much as you like, but what's obvious is undeniable. Travel somewhere else and open another account Magoteers :) You excel at that. After all, you have already admitted you used sock accounts. Thanks for your honesty. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Can Tuscumbia really get away with making such bad faith statements? He/she has quite blatantly accused me of lying. Tuscumbia, what you call "editing pattern" is editing the same articles as you have edited but not agreeing with your edits. That is not sockpuppetry, that is how editing Misplaced Pages articles is done! You seem to want a one-article-needs-just-one-editor policy. Worst thing of all of this is that there is nothing disruptive in any 93.97.143.19 edits. Point out a single one that did anything negative to Misplaced Pages! Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, then relax and let the administrators handle it. Why are you so nervous? :) Tuscumbia (talk) 21:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
You try and relax if I were to call you a liar and say that you are a load of people you are not! Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
"Admins already linked RobertMel and Magoteers, and there was no Magoteers when Meowy was being blocked and RobertMel came to his defense" - Tuscumbia acts like he were straight out of a McCarthy-era witchhunt! Nobody has "linked" anyone. Z is a Communist because he dresses similar to Y who each lunchtime sat in the same park that X used to visit to feed pigeons that might well have been kept by W, who WAS a known comunist (according to sworn witness statement by V, a credit to our nation) and who had a pigeon loft full of pigeons that quite feasably could have been used to send secret communications to fellow Communists, including Z. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Cool, wow, uhh ahh. Now relax, drink some water or something, and let the administrators handle it. They don't base their decisions on my statements. They check and verify facts on their own seeing things regular users can't. So, please sit back and wait for the administrators' comments. Thanks for your time. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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