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Ralph Nader

User:Eagles247, whom do I contact if I suspect that another contributor is bullying and creating two or more accounts to create the illusion of consensus? 99.59.98.198 (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

You can tell me what your concerns are. I have experience in WP:SPI and I can take admin action, if needed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much. My concern is with User:Mystylplx. This is the contributor who accused IPs of vandalism of Ralph Nader-related pages, per the WayneSlam-related ANI. User:Mystylplx appears to be convinced that the means of creating NPOV on Ralph Nader-related articles is to stack them with negative POV, heavily focused on the 2000 elections. Then IP 208.53.80.254 jumps in without prior edit history, holds same POV as User:Mystylplx, followed by newest User:PopeStephen, which is particularly strange. User posts one word to user page, parrots User:Mystylplx from 2000 article talk page. I'm generally hesitant to presume or accuse anyone, per AGF, but I'm beginning to sense some funny business is going on. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

It appears that the IP may belong to Mystylplx, just accidentally logged out. I don't think he did that intentionally. PopeStephen is very suspicious, mainly because just after creating his user and user talk pages, his first edit was to the discussion. I can't say that PopeStephen and Mystylplx are the same person, since they sign their posts differently. Mystylplx signs with one space, then four tildes, while PopeStephen signs without the space in front of the four tildes. It may also help my investigation if you can confirm that you are the same person as the rest of the "99" IP addresses on the discussion page, as well as the same person who was blocked during the Wayne Slam fiasco. You won't be in trouble, but it helps to eliminate potential suspects. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you User:Eagles247. Yes, I am the 99- IPs contributing to the discussion page and the 99- IP that was blocked. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Nope, no sockpuppeting. And just so you know, Wayne Slam had his rollback privileges revoked for his edit war with you, though you weren't exactly a victim either. Regards, Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Would you check User:SCFilm29 as well? 99.59.98.198 (talk) 23:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... is there any evidence that would suggest SCFilm29 would be abusing multiple accounts per WP:SOCK? CheckUser is not for fishing, and without any evidence a check cannot be done. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I noted that at least two entries very recently edited by Mystylplx were also edited by SCFilm29, and they are somewhat obscure: Chemtrail conspiracy theory and 9/11 conspiracy theories. But SCFilm29 user contributions with notations like:

1. 23:21, 27 November 2010 (diff | hist) In Praise of Pip ‎ (In praise...) (top)
2. 23:21, 27 November 2010 (diff | hist) Praise of the Two Lands (ship) ‎ (..praise of your...) (top)
3. 23:21, 27 November 2010 (diff | hist) Your Highness ‎ (...your...)
4. 23:21, 27 November 2010 (diff | hist) Hero ‎ (...hero!)
5. 23:21, 27 November 2010 (diff | hist) Chuckles the Clown ‎ (Chuckle!) (top)
6. 23:51, 24 November 2010 (diff | hist) Mystic, Connecticut ‎ (→In popular culture: Mystic) (top)
7. 23:51, 24 November 2010 (diff | hist) Plexus ‎ (plx)

and

1. 00:22, 7 December 2010 (diff | hist) You ‎ (→Etymology: In printing)
2. 00:22, 7 December 2010 (diff | hist) ARE ‎ (Are!) (top)
3. 00:22, 7 December 2010 (diff | hist) Blockhead ‎ (blocked!) (top)

plus

1. 19:55, 8 December 2010 (diff | hist) Nadir ‎ (Nadir) (top)

taken in lieu of Mystylplx's comment on the Ralph Nader discussion page:

"You are the one who keeps trying to remove content. Please stop removing references and putting back unreferenced stuff that's merely in praise of your hero. Mystylplx (talk) 16:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

... seems a bit too coincidental. And quite bizarre. I've got more information that I would rather not post here. If you have an admin email I can send to, I'll provide you with more. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 05:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow. I don't even know what to do at this point. Eagles 24/7 (C) 06:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey there, 99. Eagles brought this to my attention on our chat network, and I've taken the action of blocking SCFilm29, as well as two other accounts that appear to be his based on technical evidence. I've also removed a number of the edits you point out above from public view; I think I managed to break all of the "contribution sentences" that are directed at other users so that they either don't appear at all or show up as random gibberish. Unfortunately, I can't be certain I got everything; almost all of his recent edits appear to be very minor, superficial edits made with the intention of getting his edit summary into his contributions. If you notice any I missed, please let me know. I also notice that you said you have some additional information about this; if you're not comfortable posting it on Misplaced Pages, you can email the Functionaries team at functionaries-enlists.wikimedia.org. We're a group of editors with access to advanced level tools that permit us access to certain private information, and we deal with many cases that can't be discussed on Misplaced Pages for privacy reasons. I hope this helps, but as I said, please let me know if I've missed anything. Hersfold 07:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Hersfold and Eagles247. I appreciate your sensitivity to this issue. With your permission, I will provide certain parties with the Functionaries information you've provided so that the party(ies) can contact you privately. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 08:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Eagles247, did you say that IP 208.53.80.254 was used by Mystylplx? If so, he is using IP 207.231.4.168, same range, to appear like another editor and create the appearance of consensus, but has in fact responded with some hostility twice to the same statement, per http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Ralph_Nader.

For the record, I stated that "The 2000 election is what Nader is most famous for" is provincial, I did not attack the contributor. In this case, provincial is applied to mean local, for such a view is not ascribed worldwide, e.g., in Germany and other countries. As before with vandalism accusations, it seems to me that this user berates, with strawman arguments and false accusations, anyone who does not share his views.

Thank you, 99.59.98.198 (talk) 09:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome to send that email to whoever would find it useful; it's public knowledge, even if what we discuss isn't always.

If you're concerned that Mystylplx is abusively editing while logged out, I'd encourage you to file an investigation request here. As a checkuser, I cannot connect Mystylplx to any specific IP addresses, only accounts, which I've already looked for and found none. An SPI case will allow other disinterested users to look into things and determine what's going on, as well as allow Mystylplx a chance to respond to concerns. Hersfold 16:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Very good, thank you again, Hersfold, 99.59.98.198 (talk) 17:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, it appears I am unable to file a report, since I do not bear a user name. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 17:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll help you out. Do you want to name the SPI "Mystylplx"? Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Eagles247, I really appreciate your help. I was going to name the SPI "Mystylplx", before I discovered IPs cannot file these, so I think that's a good idea. 99.59.98.198 (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It may just be easier if you submit your evidence at WT:SPI under a new section header. That's what other IPs have done in the past. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

My Home computer is not functioning so I edit from a public computer. Sometimes I forget to log in, there's nothing nefarious about it. The IP user here has been persistently attempting to remove sourced content and has been reverted by several people, including me. BTW I believe I know who PopeStephen is, but he is not me. I have no idea who SCFilm29 is. Mystylplx (talk) 09:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment here, Mystylplx. I figured you weren't logged out to sway discussion. SCFilm29 has been blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and abuse (can you make a comment on the bizarre string of edit summary that include "Mystic" and "plx"?), but if you have any information on PopeStephen, it would be greatly appreciated. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know anything about SCFilm29, so can't comment on his/her edit summaries. It may be s/he saw my screen name and was attempting to make some unfathomable comment about it. I may know who PopeStephen is. I have a friend named Stephen who I discussed the Nader article with, but I haven't seen him recently to ask if that's him. Mystylplx (talk) 11:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Did you ask your friend to participate in the discussion at Talk:Ralph Nader? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not exactly. The discussion was on Misplaced Pages in general more so than the nader page in particular, and I did encourage him to get involved. He's a 'brew pub friend' though, and I've recently quit drinking, so I'm not sure when I will see him again. Mystylplx (talk) 16:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine then. As long as you know about WP:SOCK and don't violate it in the future in regards to discussions at Talk:Ralph Nader, you're okay. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:NFL

What do you mostly do from WP:NFL since you edit NFL articles? WAYNESLAM 23:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit NFL articles mainly. That's about it. Sometimes a new template is proposed and the members discuss it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello again

Are you aware of this discussion on Wayne Slam's talk page? I've no idea why Inka chose to post that suggestion as there's no indication of recent contact between them. I know Inka's suggesting manual reverting of vandalism, but I wouldn't even be happy with Wayne doing that at the moment. He really does need to learn Misplaced Pages's policies first. Yes it might teach him what's vandalism and what's not but in my view he's not ready for it yet, he really needs to concentrate on Misplaced Pages's policies first. --5 albert square (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

When I put this, I did click the undo edit a few times, after I made the reply, earlier. They were the ones who told me to do it. I rather just ignore the conversation by closing the discussion and just patrol new pages for right now. This edit should resolve it. WAYNESLAM 23:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this discussion poses any relevance anymore because Wayne "closed" it. Ignoring the fact that I posted in the discussion, I don't understand why it was brought here -- nothing really happened. If you want to know why Inka made that post, you should ask her/him. Tofutwitch11 00:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to make everything fine per 5 albert square's message, so that's why I closed it. I didn't ignore your message. You should let Inka now about this. I'll unclose the discussion. WAYNESLAM 00:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

No, no, you don't understand what I am saying. It's fine that the discussion is closed, you don't understand what I was saying. I meant, I meant I was ignoring the fact that I had participated in the discussion, and albert should bring this forward to Inka if need be, but this is so small, why bother. Tofutwitch11 00:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, why bother. It shouldn't be a big deal. I understand since you ignored the fact that you posted in the discussion and why it was brought up here and why it happened was what you said. WAYNESLAM 01:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne knows that he is still far away from reverting vandalism, and is sticking with NPP for now. Inka was acting in good faith trying to help him out, and I see nothing wrong with this. Thanks, Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's what I said -- Inka did nothing wrong. I just don't understand why 5 albert square brought it here, nothing really happened. Tofutwitch11 13:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Steve Hauschka

Could you change it to Steven Hauschka? NFL.com and the Broncos' site say that's the correct spelling. RevanFan (talk)

 Done Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle Blacklist

…

Okay, since typing the above, Wayne tells me that he is actually using FRIENDLY and not Twinkle, the two of which are currently being merged. I guess the Twinkle blacklist is not yet operational on those using Friendly.

So, this note is less about the particular editor in question, and more about the difficulty the merger of Friendly and Twinkle may be placing on your enactment of ANI decisions. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 02:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I knew about the Twinkle-Friendly merger, and I saw Wayne using Friendly. I have no problem with him using Friendly, he's barred mainly from counter-vandalism tools. BTW Spike, while you're here, what does the <span class="plainlinks"></span> actually do to wikitext? Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

This all started because, with the merger, Friendly users are getting TW in their edit summaries even though that is not the tool that they are using. So, I thought that there was some glitch that you might want brought to your attention. He didn’t misuse the tool in the example cited. He’s really trying to do things right!

As for the <span class="plainlinks"></span> coding, it makes external links look like this instead of like this. In my browser, the little external link symbol that shows up at the end sometimes messes up the line wrap. Dunno why. Of course, I only use it on talk pages. And, I do not use it when I think it important that the reader know that it is an external link. Therefore, I use it mainly for linking within Misplaced Pages such as to edit histories, old versions of pages, diffs, etc. You know: external links that are really internal links, for all intents and purposes. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 02:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Civility

I consider your comment offensive to civil discourse, and warn you not to do that again. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you please explain to me what civil discourse is, and how it offended you? I really don't understand. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

You are wikilawyering to defend a name which characterizes another editor in an offensive way. The defense is far more offensive than the name. If you don't understand why, then kindly cease any further involvement with AN or ANI, in any form, until you do understand. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It's interesting to watch an admin issue a warning to another admin, as if the other admin were a serf. Gimmetoo means well, I'm sure, but what he ought to be doing is clearing and full-protecting the user page, and closing the ANI discussion as being a waste of time. No one with any authority and more than half a brain is going to stand for Fat/BErD coming back without serious restrictions. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Userfication

Hey Eagles! Sorry to leave you a message on football day — known as Sunday to the rest of the world — but, would you mind userfying this article (see deletion log) to this userspace location? You can read the background to the request here on my talkpage. Thanks a bunch! — SpikeToronto 21:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done (It's Sunday where you are?) Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! No, actually it’s Monday. My weekend is off kilter this week, making me think all day today that today is Sunday. You are not the first person I have done this with today! Thanks again. — SpikeToronto 01:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem, but I kinda wish it was Sunday. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (Dillonraphael (talk) 01:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

No problem, good luck with your article. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:67.81.112.52

otherwise known as CATruthwatcher is back on the same page causing the same trouble. 24.239.153.58 (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure it is CAtruthwatcher, but you do not need to edit war on the article. Consider this a warning to you, and if 67.81.112.52 reverts again, I will block him for edit warring. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for informing me about Elektrik Band’s sockpuppets, even if he didn’t mean any harm. By the way, Michael Vick is insanely good. I would say that I wish the Colts had him, but we have Manning already. Oh well, can’t have everything… The Arbiter 00:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem, and you'd better hope Peyton is Favre's age when he finally hangs 'em up. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not so sure if Peyton will break 297 games...that's a heck of a record. I'm glad that Vick cleaned up his act and is now dominating. That return by DeSean Jackson today was insane. I felt so bad for Matt Dodge though, Coughlin was furious at him. The Arbiter 00:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You can't blame the punter for your team's complete collapse. He had a solid game, and there was no reason for Coughlin to unload on him. DeSean said in his press conference that Coughlin was out on the field to talk to Dodge while DeSean was still running it back. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

May I say something? That was the craziest finish I've probably ever seen to a game. It was INSANE!!! Although, I didn't like the taunting at the end of the return. RevanFan (talk) 01:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Biggest comeback I've seen in a while. I didn't see the taunting, but it was probably warranted; those Giants players were nasty and cheap the entire game. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Unbelievable. Anyways, speaking of coaches being jerks and unfair, how about Mike Shanahan cutting Hunter Smith because he mishandled the extra point against Tampa Bay? Graham Gano missed the two chip shot field goals he had, and the long snapper snapped it high, and the rest of the team played like garbage. Why cut Smith when it wasn't even his fault? Shanahan has no class, and he's a pretty bad coach anyways. The Arbiter 16:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

If the Redskins want to cut good players for no legitamite reasons, that's fine by me. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

A favor

Could you protect this user page for me? Some idiot IP keeps vandalizing it. Thanks. RevanFan (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I've left a warning on his talk page. If he persists, you may want to use a template from WP:WARN to warn him, or let me know so I can warn/block him. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Matthew (Matt) Bennett

Hey Eagle, I think it's a good idea to withdraw the nomination. MichaelQSchmidt left me a message on my talk page criticizing me for prodding it in the first place, but they backed it up by improving the article. The subject passes notability requirements, I see now. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Contrary to what MichaelQSchmidt says, I still do not think Bennett meets WP:ENT, WP:CREATIVE or WP:GNG. I'll keep it open to see what others think. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

93.97.59.17

93.97.59.17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

When I saw that "HELP!!!", I was expecting the following up to be, "I'm bein' repressed!"

On a more serious note, do you think I've gone over the line in the Fat Man debate? If so, I'll back off. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Haha I was expecting another legal threat. And I would recommend you stop with TFM. You're just feeding the trolls at this point, and gaining nothing from it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

"Fat Bastard" was irrelevant before he was blocked. He is now more so. HalfShadow 01:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, good point! The boy wins a cigar! OK, enough of Fatso. Onward into the fog! ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I was considering "The Massed Avenger", but I'm happy with my choice. HalfShadow 01:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

They're both good. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)