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Can you give me a tutoral on how to use these? Thanks! Adult Swim Addict (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Help!

Can you help improve the article on my subuserpage please help make it notable enough? Here is it User:NotableCheckertools/Sarey (singer) thanks!! (NotableCheckertools (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC))

Totaldrugmart.com page was deleted

I work with Totaldrugmart.com and was trying to post a page about our company for users and it was deleted, was wondering what i did wrong. Are you able to not delete it and repost the information. I thought I was being u biased.

Braidenharvey (talk) 19:01, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

See WP:COI and WP:N. --John (talk) 01:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Holy Grail

Hi I'd like to know why I can't make the article Holy Grail (band) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

See WP:N and WP:MUSIC. --John (talk) 01:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Holy Grail are notable, they've released an EP and are in the recording studio making an album, they've also toured with Amon Amarth and 3 Inches of Blood and are going to play at Wacken Open Air —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

If their album charts then come back. Likewise if you can find significant coverage of their tour in a notable source. --John (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog 3 Inches of Blood http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=50403 3 Inches of Blood tour http://www.lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=14033 Amon Amarth Tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

See here for what constitutes a reliable source here. Blogs aren't sufficient. --John (talk) 20:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

http://amonamarth.com/ click on Spring Tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that still doesn't look sufficient. I was once in a band that had this level of publicity, but we definitely weren't notable by Misplaced Pages's standards. A chart hit, or major coverage in multiple reliable sources. Until then, I don't think I can help you. Sorry. --John (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You're band toured with 2 major bands recorded an EP, were half way through recording an album and played Wacken Open Air? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Mmm. Like I said, come back when the band you are trying to promote has charted or achieved significant coverage in multiple notable sources. --John (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? (Centie2 (talk) 21:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC))

See WP:N and WP:MUSIC.--John (talk) 21:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

If I were to find enough sources would I be allowed to make an article for them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

http://prostheticrecords.com/?p=1343 Here is proof from their record label that they will release an album this year and this also has proof that they had those two tours and will play at Wacken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

If you can find better (not more) sources to establish notability, of course you can. In the meantime I can make a copy for you to work on in your user space. Would you like me to do that?--John (talk) 22:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You don't consider that better? If i could make an article on their album too (all the tracks artwork etc.) would you consider letting the Holy Grail article exist? And what do you mean by make a copy for me to work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

We aren't talking about verifiability but about notability at this point. Read the policies I am directing you to, as it isn't up to just me but is based on a consensus throughout the project for what does and doesn't get an article here. --John (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

www.laweekly.com/2009-06-04/music/who-the-hell-is-holy-grail/ Here's a news article http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=52799 Here's another thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Centie2 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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RMHS

Hello, I would like to know why you decided to delete most of the information from the article of the school I went to, Reading Memorial High School. I just went on today to post a section about a protest that happened during my time there. We had a college assignment this week where we had to edit a Misplaced Pages article about something we knew about and write about it etc. I decided to add the section because it was a legitimate and important event that I was a part of and its part of the school's history.

Now I understand that it's not really cited. I included the Facebook group as an external link because it is the only reliable source on the subject. In fact, it is extremely comprehensive. I figured that a Facebook group that was created by the participants during the event is as much of a primary source as an interview, and I feel it is no different than a diary from a war veteran. How much more of a reliable source do you want then that? Also, underground protesters in general don't go notifying the press every time they have a rally, that defeats the purpose. How can these events be verified if not by the participants themselves? Do you need me to write a book on it first for it to be true?

Also, I noticed that the bulk of the article was deleted today as well. Although I did not add anything besides the Save Czuczwa part, I really have to question the deletion of all that information. As an alumni that was present during the construction, I can verify that information as being true, as well as the extracurricular information. Someone obviously spent a lot of time creating those sections and I think it's unnecessary to delete them. Again, the reason was probably because the info was not cited. I can assure you that most of that information could have been found in our town newspapers during the time it occurred. Although it wasn't originally my responsibility, I would be happy to try to find some of the information.

I just feel like it is a waste if generally authentic information is just deleted like that. I thought the point of Wiki was to provided a comprehensive resource.

I admit, my contribution wasn't high quality, but I would be happy to write it in a more encyclopedia-y way if necessary. There is not reason why true information should be left out.

Please let me know what you think. Rio12989 (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the inquiry. See WP:RS and WP:V; we don't use primary sources, in general. Verifiability, not truth, is the criterion for inclusion here. Most of the information did not belong on our project even if cited. Your addition was an example of that. Some of it could be restored if it was referenced. Most could not. Incidentally, "alumni" is plural, and the singular form is "alumnus". Take care, --John (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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The Incredible Hulk in Berserkers

John, I am confused what references you are looking for? I was merely following the example of what was listed there and provided links to the Misplaced Pages listings of the objects I was discussing on the Beserker page. I can understand why my reference to the Berserk would be removed due to it not being a major cultural impact. However The Incredible Hulk is not only the world's most popular superhero (as stated in the Marvel's Encyclopedia Hulk Edition) but has had major cultural impacts and has been the inspiration for many other characters in many other works. Other listings on the page include Krogans from Mass Effect 2 and Beserkers from the Gears of War franchise. Either one of those have any additional referencing or sources. The description of that of the Beserker at the top of the page is near identical to the description of the Hulk. Please advise me what needs to be done so I can make necessary additions in the future. I'm new to using Wiki-chat so I posted this on my page (in response to yours) on the Berserker under discussion/pop culture and now on your talk page. Could you also clarify for the future where the best place to respond to people is, where you would get notification?

Thanks, Grimbear13 (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Article talk is fine and in fact I already responded to your post there. --John (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, John

What are the guidelines for removing the {orphan} template? I believe I have successfully de-orphaned the page Closed-cell PVC foamboard, but I didn't want to be bold and remove the tag. Call me a wikiwimp if you wish. Cheers, Efcmagnew (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC) Also, Is it possible for an IP user to be an admin? I realize no one would take you sereously with an RfA, but speaking purely hypothetically, and out of curiosity to the inner workings of wikipedia, is it possible? Efcmagnew (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I will have a look at the page you've been working on when I get time. It might not be tonight. No, it isn't possible to be an admin without a registered account, it isn't even possible to support or oppose at RfA without a registered account. Cheers, --John (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Stereo Mix page

I would really like to know why you deleted my article about Stereo Mix. You could have deleted the links from commercial products, append more content. But I wonder why you deleted when there was information for every platform from Windows to Linux, about products from absolutely different companies. I would really like you to reconsider this and restore the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StreamRecorder (talk • contribs) 08:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

History

There appears to be some history between User:Ceoil and you; would you mind backing off and letting others handle the situation, in the unlikely event that followup is needed ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any "history" between us; but I would be happy to have some support if as you say followup is needed. --John (talk) 18:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

If followup is needed (unlikely) there are plenty of admins who watch both the pages of Ceoil and Mallues; there are already enough hard feelings, please don't add to them the day after. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I am glad to hear it. My warning to Ceoil was a one-off, as you would have seen if you read it. I don't know anything about anybody's "hard feelings"; I do know that nobody speaks to me that way. As far as I am concerned I suspect Ceoil may have a medical problem, but that is his/her own business. So long as they adhere to WP:CIVIL, WP:LEGAL and WP:NPA there need be no trouble going forward; I am certainly not holding a grudge. Any repetition of the nonsense they were indulging in last night will lead to action against them. If you are offering to support, that is great. --John (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Now you're making me mad; saying things like "Ceoil may have a medical problem" are guaranteed to make this situation worse (and I have to very strongly disagree with you, and hope you strike that BS or remove it). BOTH Malleus and Ceoil have a tendency towards very blunt language when things get hot, and as long as it stays between them, they are both big boys, extremely valuable FA writers, and they can solve it. Let's not make it worse; we don't want to lose either of them. I am not an admin; I do know that plenty of admins watch both of them, and most editors know to use common sense if either of them gets hot and bothered. It didn't extend beyond them; please don't make things worse with frankly horrid things like you just said above about Ceoil. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Just calling it how I see it. I am not party to any prior dispute with either user, but I will enforce civility and collegiality where I see it being treated with contempt as I did last night. I stand by everything I said above. Sometimes the truth can be unpleasant to hear, and at this stage I don't much care what whether Ceoil's problem is a medical one or a social one; it must not recur. Good day to you. --John (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

And both of them have been badgered by admins and civility police in the past, and neither of them needs any more of that. I'm going to be away from computer for several hours this afternoon; may I ask that you please not exacerbate the situation (particularly if you aren't aware of the history of either of them) in my absence, and let admins who know both of them deal with any (unlikely) recurrence? The bigger problem now is that one of our best FA writers just blanked his page, and I'd not like to see Wiki lose either Malleus or Ceoil over a heated issue that involved a misunderstanding between them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll be away for a while myself so that suits me fine. I do still intend to return at some point over the weekend to the problem we were talking about on the punk rock article. I hope that will be ok with you. --John (talk) 20:25, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

John, I'm going to have to ask you to retract your statement I am concerned I suspect Ceoil may have a medical problem. Who in the hell do you think you are. How many times do I have to ask you to back off. You are creating a situation. You handeling of the situation, whatever it was has been inflamitory and offensive. Who the hell do you think you are that you feel you can share a though like that with other editors. Its an incredible thing, really, far more offensive that mere swearing. Ceoil 22:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I think I am an administrator and editor in good standing on this site, that's who the hell I think I am. Strike your insulting comments towards me from Talk:1996 Manchester bombing and I'll think about it. This followed by this would have been good grounds for a block. I went easy on you because I assumed you were drunk. Were you? Editing while drunk and/or angry is not a good thing to do. Tell me that you've learned from your little strop last night, strike your nasty comments about me, and I will retract my note of concern above. Sandy seems to think that you and I have history. That's news to me; as far as I am aware we have never interacted before. Is that right or is there something I have forgotten? It wouldn't excuse your behavior last night but it might make it easier for me to understand. --John (talk) 00:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Its intersesting that you are the both the single editor who is still wrapped up in the incident and the one who walked in out of nowhere and elcelated. There is no issue between MF and me anymore; its dust.. And yet you continute to be grossly offensive, I have medical or social problems, one or the other, you are not sure?. You were asked, you were begged, to back off by me and other, but you sniffed blood and went for it and continue that line. In small words; back off, leave me alone. Play your social worker card on some other fool who might be impressed by the wiki admin badge you think impresses adults. You are living in a bubble; you think adminship gives you the right to question actual mental sanity? In responce to curse words? Dude. Ceoil 01:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Any medical or social problems you may have are primarily your own responsibility. What you must be utterly clear about is that there are behavioral guidelines which we all implicitly sign up for whenever we edit here. If you are unable to follow them, you will find your time here to be miserable. You should be clear also that I am not now threatening, and have never threatened, to use my admin tools against you, but rather promising that if I see you talk to anyone the way you talked to me last night, you will be the subject of a report at a central noticeboard. My own view of this is that I edited two pages on my watchlist, and discussed improvements to them with you and others in article talk. In both cases you responded with hostility and in one case also with accusations and requests to stay away. I have no idea why that would be. I note you have not answered my question above about where such hostility came from. If the questions about your mental state when making these edits offend you then I shall strike them from my comments above in the interests of moving forwards. But you really should think about the impression you give when you act like this. --John (talk) 01:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

not now threatening ... but rather promising'. I think you are an idiot. I think you seek drama and deliberatly seek drama where you are neither needed or wanted. Because you like the sound of you voice. If INR a person questioned my mental or social or whatever the hell you projected onto me, they would be left standing. How about that. Ceoil 02:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Rolled back a reversion of above post. I think when an admin treahens me and questions my sanity, behind my back,,I have right of reply. Ceoil 02:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but I couldn't care less what you think of me, as you do not know me. I am certainly glad you allow people "INR" to question you and still be left standing; I always find that best myself. I am sorry if you felt threatened by being asked why you were so bloody rude to me. Never mind, I have seen worse. I hope you feel better soon. Maybe things will look better in the morning after a good sleep and a cup of tea. Please don't post here again, unless you ever figure out why you were so upset or wish to apologize. I feel that may be a long time and I am ok with that. My promise, of course, stands. Bye. --John (talk) 05:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

A question from Fagbokforlaget (Norway)

Dear Sir,

I'm writing on behalf of Fagbokforlaget publishing house from Norway. We are soon planning to publish the book Familiens fest og merkedager (Family feasts an celebrations) edited by Marianne Raa. The book is aimed at children and youngsters and will be available on the Norwegian market only. The book's planned print run is 3000 copies, each consisting of approx. 182 pages.

The editor would like to include the picture “Apartheid”, which she found under the link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:DurbanSign1989.jpg

The picture would be included as an illustration inside the book, printed in colour.

We would be grateful for any information concerning both permission (copyright)/high resolution file and fee for using this picture in our book. We hope that the permission will be given.

Please contact me if you need more information or if that permission could not be obtained. In advance thank you for your help.

Best regards Fagbokforlaget Karolina.fagbok (talk) 11:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Depeche Mode

Do you edit Depeche Mode much? I've seen a few comments by you on the talk page. The article seems to have gone really downhill since I last took a close look at it. I've been meaning to do some heavy work on it for years, but I've never gotten to it. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Little beyond formatting fixes. As an admin I have been concerned with the long-running edit war between two users there, neither of whom is much of a writer, but both are extreme fans of DM. However since the great result I got this morning, maybe both participants will settle back and we could get on with improving the article. It needs it. Your copyedits were an excellent start. There are whole layers of fancruft to peel back on the various tour and album articles too if you have the appetite for it. --John (talk) 01:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

My particular strengths are sourcing and copyediting. I did a bit of both during a great spurt a while back, but I'm wondering how much of it has been lost since then. I do really want to improve the article and possibly turn it into a Featured Article, but I have run into some definite fans there in the past who aren't all that clear on the finer points of writing an article, and that can make for some tedious distractions when trying to work on the larger picture. I remember getting into a trivial discussion about category sorting. I was like "Really? That's what you're going to devote your energy to on this article?"WesleyDodds (talk) 01:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm just adding information to members on tour.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs)

Yes, but you need reliable sources for anything that you add. --John (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Shake/Shiver/Moan

I have created a new article on an album, but it seems I didn't capitalise the first word and can't find a way to do it. Are you able to help?

Thanks

Bitterpillsandalcohol (talk) 22:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Or you could ignore my request for help and just edit the artists article instead.

Bitterpillsandalcohol (talk) 11:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to get grumpy with me, I had never seen this glitch before. I have now fixed it. --John (talk) 06:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Our choices at every moment

Determine the kind of world we live in. Viriditas (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

True enough. That is a very profound statement. Does it relate in any way to what we were discussing chez Lar?--John (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. We choose to live in the world you bemoan. And, we are conditioned to like it. Viriditas (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not with you at all. We do not choose which world we live in, and we do not have to like it. In the real world, scientists are nothing without funding. All of the funding for science is susceptible to politics in one sense or another. If you bemoan the "politicization of science", you seem, forgive me, incredibly naive. --John (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

We choose the world we live in and we are conditioned from birth to think it is right. There's nothing naive about this, but it seems to frighten you that we have so much responsibility but choose to hide from it. I understand where you are coming from. Viriditas (talk) 03:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

And I think I understand you too. Philosophically I think I am in sympathy with what I understand you to be saying. How is your philosophical standpoint to inform our construction of this wonderful 💕 we are all putting together though? My understanding is that the project mirrors reality, rather than shaping it. Have we come to a point where we disagree about the fundamentals of what we are doing here? --John (talk) 04:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What are you doing here, John? If you think this place mirrors reality, is it safe to assume you are here to teach? I'm here to write. Now, tell me John, do writers and teachers mirror reality? Does a lecture reflect reality or the mind of the teacher? What about a writer? Viriditas (talk) 04:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

It isn't just me; an encyclopedia is here to add to the sum of the world's knowledge. If that is teaching, then I guess I am here to teach, by helping to write a free online encyclopedia. That too, like every single aspect of human affairs, has a political dimension. Is this the gnat you are straining at? To answer your question, writers and teachers mirror reality, and a lecture reflects reality via the mind of the lecturer, just as a writer mirrors reality through his or her mind. It is your dichotomy between writers and teachers that I do not accept in this context, just as I do not accept the dichotomy between science and politics. --John (talk) 05:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What happens in the mind of a student who hears words spoken by a teacher, and what occurs in the mind of a reader looking at words on a screen? Viriditas (talk) 05:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Why? --John (talk) 05:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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Admin Coaching: Reconfirmation

I was looking through the coaches at Misplaced Pages:Admin_coaching/Status and saw that your entry was commented out. I have moved it to the "Reconfirmation" section.

Could you let me know if you are still interesting in being involved with Admin Coaching, or if you would prefer to have your name removed from the "reconfirmation" list and placed on the "retired" list. If you want to be involved, could you please move your entry from "Reconfirmation" to "Active" and indicate how many students you would be willing to have (obviously, if you are actively coaching at the moment, then please indicate this!)

If I do not hear from you within a week, I will assume that you would like to have your name removed from the list of coaches and moved to the retired list.

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Depeche Mode

Other users, remove real information and references. I have contributed a lot in wikipedia and I see no other agan a great contribution to the article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs)