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January 2009

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federal reserve

I just saw your message. I'm sorry, but that was not vandalism. If you would like citations for the information I placed on the site I would be more than happy to provide it. The Federal Reserve System is a hybrid of government and private interest. It is the front company for a partnership between private banks and the federal government. As a student and practitioner of finance, I can speak with authority on this issue. Please let me know what information you require so that you will be satisfied with the following statement:

The federal reserve is a private corporation that has entered into partnership with the federal government. It is made up of 100% shares that are privately owned by its broker dealer banks. These banks are in turn privately held corporations that have private shareholders, some of which exercise overwealming power in formulating monetary policy.

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Thank you...

The fact that you and I disagree on some things makes your support all that much more appreciated. Leads me to believe I'm on the right track.

Thank you for your support

Unfortunately, my RFA was closed recently with a final tally of 75½/38/10. Though it didn't succeed, I wanted to thank you for your support and I hope I can count on it in the future. Even though it didn't pass, it had a nearly 2 to 1 ratio of support and I am quite encouraged by those results. I intend to review the support, oppose, and neutral !votes and see what I can do to address those concerns that were brought up and resubmit in a few months. If you would like to assist in my betterment and/or co-nominate me in the future, please let me know on my talk page. Special thanks go to Schmidt, , TomStar81, and henrik for their co-nominations and support. — BQZip01 —

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^.^ Thanks! Happy new years!Smallman12q (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Deleted file

Was the deleted file discussed here being used in an article? If so, where?--Rockfang (talk) 06:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

That png version of that file File:Median and Average Sales Prices of New Homes Sold in United States 1963-2008 annual.png is currently being used in serveral articles. I don't know how to convert the graph to svg so I decided to upload a pdf version of that png for those who wish to be able to scale the image.Smallman12q (talk) 12:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Incarceration

Thanks for creating File:Incarceration rate of inmates incarcerated under state and federal jurisdiction per 100,000 population 1925-2008.png. But shouldn't the red line be labelled "Average", rather than "Incarceration rate" (which is unclear, since all three lines are incarceration rates).

Also, if you are putting it in public domain, you should consider transferring it to Commons so that other versions of Misplaced Pages can use it as well. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 18:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Smallman12q. Thanks for the chart. You might be interested in the sources listed in the image description section of this chart:

• commons:File:US incarceration timeline.gif

In particular, see Graph 4 in this article:

• http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/00-05_REP_PunishingDecade_AC.pdf

That incarceration rate timeline includes all inmates, including those in jails.

See also:

• http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/ratesusa.htm
• List of countries by incarceration rate --Timeshifter (talk) 14:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, did you create the graph itself using Microsoft Excel 2007? (It looks like an Excel graph to me). If so, you should specify that in the file description. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 14:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I just discovered this very recent report:

• http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/p08.pdf

In particular, see Appendix Table 1 on page 16. Prisoners under the jurisdiction of state or federal prisons or in the custody of state or federal prisons or local jails, December 31, 2000-2008. It lists the total incarceration rate (including jail inmates) in the right-most column. For the years 2000 through 2008. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Mistake-The Bureau of Justice Statistics confused Imprisonment rate with Incarceration rate

• Imprisonment rate- the number of prisoners sentenced to more than 1 year under state or federal jurisdiction per 100,000 U.S. residents. see page 16
• Incarceration rate-the total number of inmates held in custody of state or federal prisons or local jails per 100,000 U.S. residents.see page 16

I believe I have made a mistake based on a mistake by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. What I've found is that they've done a terribly sloppy job at their site Key Facts at a Glance-Incarceration Rate, 1980-2007. It turns out that its actually the Imprisonment rate. On the bureaus site at

• Key Facts at a Glance, it calls it "Incarceration rate, 1980-2007".
• The graph of the above, while the graph title is imprisonment rate, the description above reads as "After sharp increases in the 1980s and 1990s, the incarceration rate has recently grown at a slower pace." It does however below say "

Note: Number of sentenced prisoners under state and federal jurisdiction per 100,000, 1980-2008. "

• Description of incarceration rates trend chart, oddly, while the title is misnamed, it states "Line chart of the number of persons imprisonment in prison per 100,000 population from 1980 to 2008.

For imprisonment rate, the population per 100,000 began at 139 in 1980 and increased to a high of 506 in 2007 then it decreased to 504 in 2008."

• Key Facts Corrections, it lists "Imprisonment rate:After sharp increases in the 1980s and 1990s, the incarceration rate has recently grown at a slower pace."
• Spreadsheet/CSV, It lists it as: ""Number of sentenced prisoners under State and Federal jurisdiction per 100,000, 1980-2008","Imprisonment population per 100,000"

At the top of the spreadsheet, it gives the following information:

Bureau of Justice Statistics,
filename:  incrt.csv,
"data source(s):  Correctional Populations in the United States, 1997, and Prisoners in 2008",
author:  William Sabol and Heather West,
refer questions to:  askbjs@usdoj.gov (202) 307-0765,
date of version:  12/08/09,

Feel free to contact the bureaucrats and statisticians at the DOJ to try and get it corrected=D.

It appears that someone confused imprisonment rate with incarceration rate over at the Bureau of Justice Statistics. I'll relabel the chart today or tmrw to "imprisonment rate" rather than "incarceration rate."

Anybody have any thoughts on this?Smallman12q (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

They do respond to emails. I contacted BJS about something a long time ago, but I don't remember what it was.

They have changed the web address locations of much of the stuff on their site. I guess they went to a different content management system.

Stats and charts are such a minefield. I started this Commons page and category awhile back hoping to help things along:

• commons:Category:Commons charts and graphs
• commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources

I figured out BJS separated prison and jail info and stats awhile back, but it is definitely confusing to most people. Because prison and jail are synonymous to many people. Especially outside the USA. I recently figured out where they now catalog some of their main yearly info. This may help:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbse&sid=38

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbse&sid=40

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbse&sid=42

One good thing about BJS publications is that they are in the public domain if they are original publications of the federal government. I copied this chart directly from a PDF publication:

commons:File:US criminal justice cost timeline.gif --Timeshifter (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I've finished the imprisisonment rate graph at File:Imprisonment rate in the United States by gender.png and File:Imprisonment_rate_in_the_United_States_by_gender.pdf. I will put up the incarceration graphs for CSD as they are actually imprisonment rates. I'll put up an incarceration graph when I finish writing some bots ^.^ .Smallman12q (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's a graph for the incarceration rates File:Incarceration_Rate_in_the_United_States_1985,1990-2008.png. There are also some primitive graphs at senate site, relating to the high incarceration rate.Smallman12q (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the graph. I uploaded a GIF version to the Commons: File:Incarceration Rate in the United States 1985,1990-2008.gif. I used the freeware IrfanView to resize it to 600 pixels wide. It is legible at that size. I saved it in the GIF format since it is a low-color image, and so it does not need PNG or JPG. Plus GIF uses fewer kilobytes for the same size graph. Uploading to the Commons is as easy as uploading to Misplaced Pages. Images on the Commons are seen by wikipedians from hundreds of other-language Wikipedias. They can use the graph directly on their wikipedia, or use it to create a graph in their native language. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a problem with the chart. There is a steep jump in the graph line from 1985 to 1990. It is possible to get the prison and jail numbers for 1985 to 1990 from here:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/corr2tab.cfm

U.S. population for each year is found here:

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/informationGateway.php

Pick USA in the dropdown menu, and pick the year(s).

Admins can change the file name. Or you can upload to a new name, and ask the admins to delete the chart with the old name. That may be quicker. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll try and do the calculations manually...though I fear they may lose accuracy(the government has a way of "seasonally adjusting" everything).Smallman12q (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) Yeah, they screw up a lot of things. ;)

The numbers are a mixture of midyear totals (jails) combined with end of year totals (prisons). The census numbers for each year can be midyear or end of year. I wouldn't worry about it. I suggest taking whatever can be easily found at the US census site, and linked to. That way people can at least understand all the sources. If others want to create more charts using different choices, then more power to them.

I wish there were a free, simple graph maker where I could just paste in a column of yearly U.S. resident populations, and a column of yearly inmate totals, and out pops a graph of incarceration rates. But then that would be too simple. :)

I never had the patience to study the free software such as OpenOffice, Inkscape, etc. to do charts. I tried a few primitive online chart makers, and posted the results to the Commons, but they aren't that great. So thank you for your charts!

By the way, I use the freeware NoteTab Light. It allows one to copy and paste columns (blocks) of text of any width.

NoteTab: Modify menu, block, cut/copy/paste/delete.

In any part of a table of numbers, years, etc.. I can copy the years column from these tables:

• http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/informationGateway.php
• http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/corr2tab.cfm

I can copy the numbers column separately. I can then paste or rearrange columns. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Census tables

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/informationGateway.php

From "submit" and then the table tab. I added a space in front of each line so that the Mediawiki software would not wrap the lines. There is also this at the end of the table: "Download Total Midyear Population: United States table as: Excel | CSV"

Total Midyear Population: United States

Year  	Population
1980 	227,726,463
1981 	229,966,237
1982 	232,187,835
1983 	234,307,207
1984 	236,348,292
1985 	238,466,283
1986 	240,650,755
1987 	242,803,533
1988 	245,021,414
1989 	247,341,697
1990 	250,131,894
1991 	253,492,503
1992 	256,894,189
1993 	260,255,352
1994 	263,435,673
1995 	266,557,091
1996 	269,667,391
1997 	272,911,760
1998 	276,115,288
1999 	279,294,713
2000 	282,171,936
2001 	285,039,803
2002 	287,726,647
2003 	290,210,914
2004 	292,892,127
2005 	295,560,549
2006 	298,362,973
2007 	301,290,332
2008 	304,059,724

--Timeshifter (talk) 18:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Census data added to correctional population table

Combined these two tables:

• http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/informationGateway.php
• http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/corr2tab.cfm

I used your wikified correctional population chart, and then added the census column:

--Timeshifter (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I just tried to calculate 1986-1989 and I got some results...they seem a bit off... What I do is take the (jail + prison)/(population/100,000) For 1986, I'm getting 332.79

• 1987-353.65
• 1988-388.26
• 1989-436.2

It seems like quite a jump 88-89. So do these numbers look okay...should I remake the graph 1985-2008?20:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The numbers look right to me. Mandatory-minimum sentences were being implemented more and more in the late 1980s. See New York Times article:

• http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n417/a04.html

I suggest going back to 1980 since the numbers are solid going back that far. This makes for good chart combinations:

• File:Incarceration Rate in the United States 1980-2008.gif
• File:Correctional Populations in the United States 1980-2008.png
• File:US incarceration timeline.gif
• File:US incarceration timeline-clean.gif - note the jump in graph steepness starting around 1980. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and do that then...in the mean time, I created a gif for the population pyramids at IDB, but it doesn't seem to work right... File:United States Population by gender 1950-2010.gif. Any thoughts as to how I could get this to work?Smallman12q (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about creating animated GIFs. You might ask for help here:

commons:Commons:Graphics village pump

It would serve a dual purpose. It would encourage the continued study and fixing of animated GIFs, and their scaling. See the thread there titled "Animated GIF resizing" --Timeshifter (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

There is also Misplaced Pages:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop --Timeshifter (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Apparently it was a temporary glitch with all gifs...bugzilla:22041...I'll regraph the incarceration rates this week.Smallman12q (talk) 19:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Remaining years:

• 1980-221.1
• 1981-242
• 1982-263.7
• 193-276.32
• 1984-288
• 1985-312

Smallman12q (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Correctional Populations

Thanks much for creating this:

• File:Correctional Populations in the United States 1980-2008.png

I suggest putting the right-side labels in the order of the lines from top to bottom. I frequently have difficulty connecting the colors in such graph charts with the colors on the right.

Also, I suggest uploading this great chart to the Commons. It would be categorized here:

• commons:Category:United States correctional population graphs

GIF scaling has been recently fixed on all Wikimedia sites, and so GIF images are OK to use if you want. GIF is great for such low-color charts with less than 256 colors. GIF scales using fewer kilobytes than PNG charts on Wikimedia. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Jacques Maritain and Atheism

I responded to your concern about merging the three atheism (pseudo atheism, real atheism, absolute atheism) into Jacques Maritain, but since there are three articles, the response may be lost. I agree that creating an article for The Range of Reason would be appropriate/acceptable instead of the merge, but I do not think that the three concepts are of enough substance or notability to remain as three distinct articles. Also, I am concerned about one man's idea of what is a real atheist being the sole content on that page, since the term (as well as perhaps the other two atheist terms) are probably used often in informal conversation to mean something entirely different. Justin Satyr (talk) 03:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I do understand your concern that Jacque's perspective is the only one listed for these terms, however you are more than welcome to add other perspectives given that you reference the sources. I do not believe that merging the three stubs into jacques maritain is a proper solution as that article is a description of jacques maritain and not his work. I do admit that leaving the three as separate stubs is rather sloppy and that they would do best in an article for The Range of Reason. If you'd like, I'd suggest that you create an article for The Range of Reason, and merge them there. Given the heavy nature of the range of reason...I'm not really in the zone to create an article for such a philosophical read right now, though I will create it if you don't=P. On a side note, I'd like to welcome you back after your long wikibreak=D.Smallman12q (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

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I highly doubt I will write the article because I have a list of books to read and that work does not seem interesting enough to give it priority. I will probably end up expand at least one of those atheism articles because one person having the de facto perspective on real atheism (which most people would read as simply atheism) is, again, worrisome. Justin Satyr (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to expand the stubs, provided you don't merge them into jacque. I will create the article for The Range of Reason later this month when I have enough time to look at the book in detail. Until then, cheers! Smallman12q (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Red Link Recovery

Sample dump at User:Smallman12q/redlink_diacritics. Format is:

],],]|]|],]
]|]|]
]|]|],]

It's a little bit less processed than the lists built for WP:RLR, but I'd expect it to be <8% false positives. Good luck. -TB (talk) 18:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the dump. The syntax is a bit confusing...so if I understand it right...its

referring article|red link|suggested target article and each is in csv. I'll go ahead and try to work from that.Smallman12q (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Is it safe to assume that the "|" character isn't in any titles?Smallman12q (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Its a quick dumb, but there are some repeats such as

],]|]|],]
]|]|]
],]|]|],]

It seems Phil Boyce is listed twice as a referring article...Smallman12q (talk) 22:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Its rather inefficient and a pain to have to filter out commas as they can be in the article. What I'd suggest is you use another character as listed in Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions). I'd suggest using either < or > rather than the comma separators...it'll make it a lot easier to code.=DSmallman12q (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

It's coming along nicely...for the next dump, change the commas to "<", but other than that...I'm pretty sure I'll have this thing done by the end of the week.Smallman12q (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing, will have a fiddle with the dump process in the next day or two and cull duplicates. For the format, f you're a formal programmer, I can work to a grammar specified in anything from YACC to XSDL. For now, I'll iuse > as an inner-delimiter on lists, < as a list separator and a carriage return as a line break. As we're using only proscribed characters as delimiters, I'll not 'quote' list entries (ie with ]. This gives us

title>title<link>suggestion>suggestion

. I can offer one line per page, per link or per suggestion, or any combination of - what's most convenient depends on how you intend your tool to work, of course. - TB (talk) 09:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ye the quotes also have to go...I have to see whether it should/shouldn't have a "_" replacer for spaces. As for the list, it should go titles in "<"|red link|target articles in "<" . So rather than using comma delimited, we'll use "<" delimited.I don't believe that I'll need anything complicated like xml...=P I believe this would be the easiest and fewest lines of code for me. As for offering three lists, I'd refer to them as "anchors". For now the current anchor would be the red links and the referring article, and target article change around the red link. Once I finish, it would be fairly easy to offer both the reffering article, and target article as anchors...though it would require 2 more lists.

When a the red link is either relinked, or a redirect is made, that particular line will be removed from the "red link list" and moved to another "completed" list with the option to add a comment. When a red link is skipped, it'll add a "|" + skip counter to the list. This way we can see which are most skipped. (or simply do nothing). When a red link is marked "expert", it'll add "|" + expert.

When the suggestions are wrong for a red link, that would line would be moved to a "wrong" list and a comment as to why its wrong would be recorded.

I should have a beta ready for you today...the whole thing should be under 1000 lines of code, so not too bad.Smallman12q (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's a screenshot. So what I need now is a dump in the format titles in "<"|red link|target articles in "<" . Also, I'd prefer if you didn't fill in the spaces with "_" for the article names. It also checks for permission to use at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Tool/Allowed users. It's fairly inefficient, using about 15mb of ram in vista, and is about 200kb total(including 115kb for dotnetwiki dll), but I believe that all modern windows machines should be able to run it. It's written in vb.net 2.0 so I could also offer a port to mono. After you provide the dumb in the above format...it'll be basically some last minute debugging and then its good to go. This should make it a lot easier for those in Red Link Recovery project. After I get it running, I'll probably port it to extjs and make it javascript based so you can work from the web browser...but that'll be in the future=D.Smallman12q (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)