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A Generally Inaccurate Picture

I don't know who "rated" this article for accuracy, but it makes it seem to the lay reader that the Rashidun Era after Mohammad was more of a monolithic state rather than just being an era of successive rule by four of Mohammad's closest comrades immediately after his death. Each of these four men had their own policies and individual stamp on their governments, and in highlighting the turbulent contradictions of this era, it would suffice to remember that out of the four, three were murdered (nay, "martyred", as the "faithful" would have it!) by internal enemies from their own entourages - and the last, Ali, also "martyred", was the odd one out of the whole lot as he fathered the Shi'ite minority sectarian schism in Islam, which the majority of Muslims still denounce vehemently and violently after the passage of nearly 1400 years. So this should be kept in mind when contemplating the Rashidun Era.

User: Al-Muslimooner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.142.5 (talk) 11:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

i couldn't actually get what u r trying to say ? please explain ur view point.

الله أكبرMohammad Adil 13:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

invasion of ibrean panuselia

Muslim conquered the spain + portugal in 711 A.D, but in 654 A.D they invaded it for first time by the orders of Caliph Uthman, in 655 when the agitation against uthman grew muslim armies were unable to go further and withdrawl from there outposts, thus it was a only short occupation of the coastal region of Andulus in spain. Thats it, some user here messed up the article because of the same issue so i have explained it now there should be no confussion.

Mohammad Adil 09:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

languages spoken

I'm removing Old Persian from the languages spoken box, since Old Persian was definitely not spoken at this time. Pahlavi was the main language of the Sasanian empire at this time (the most recent OP text dates from the 3rd century BCE, while Pahlavi texts date from the 2nd century CE.). Sicarii 00:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

countries

I'm also not sure that the box for "countries included in the empire" should be in the article. None of the current countries in the Middle East and N. Africa existed at this time, so it isn't really valid to "include" them in the empire. Plus, the box takes up a LOT of space and prevents other information from being seen immediately. A subsection with commentary might be useful in its place, but I recommend removing it altogether. any thoughts? Sicarii 00:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC) I'm going to add to my comments above. The article contains many grammatical and spelling errors, as well as some important factual errors. I'm working on these. Does anyone else think that the article is too long? Sicarii 20:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC) The length of article is fine i guess, check the articles of other empire they are of the same lenghts. Mohammad Adil (talk) 09:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Arabic as official language

Arabic wasn't made the official language of the Caliphate until the Marwanid era, under Abd al-Malik
It was the language of the Caliph, he use to speak in it, the official letters were writen in arabic, what else one need to declare any language as OFFICIAL language ? Mohammad Adil (talk) 09:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe a formal declaration? Otherwise it is like a "de facto standard", so to say. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 20:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you say "الامبراطورية الاسلامية"?

I.e. "al-Imbaraturiya al-Islamiya" ? Written in this way, in very first line it seems that the Rashidoon used to call this way their Empire. But I strongly doubt that they ever used such an "European" expression :-) --Vermondo (talk) 19:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

ive edited the first paragraph, linguistically and historically speaking it made no sense what so ever, there is no such thing as a rashidun "empire" a caliphate yes but not an exclusive empire it was based on ashura a sort of elected head of state it turned into a dynasty or monarchy after there deaths that is why it is called rashidun or rightly guided.Alpha.test (talk) 02:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Neutral?

I do not feel that this article takes a neutral point of view on the subject matter. In particular the sentence 'The chief cause of the apostasy was lack of true faith' seems to be particularly irrelevant and non-encyclopaedic. What is 'true faith' in this context? And I cannot see any citations to published material.

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