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Edit war
There seems to be an edit war here, but there's no discussion of how to actually come to a consensus on this person and how to describe him. Obviously, we need less reverting and more talking. skoosh (háblame)13:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Why this article is recommended for deletion when following NPOV are the references
I strongly beleive that Anti-Khalistan movement elements can never digest provided references and they won't like the world to read about this person and the crimes commited by Indian Government and its security forces to eliminate even this notability's name and his family from the world. Please save this article @ Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sukhdev Singh BabbarSingh6 (talk) 23:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Recent changes
I've made a lot of changes to the article for the following reasons:
The article is poorly written. There are a lot of grammatical and spelling errors. In addition, there are quite a lot of peacock terms.
The article has a few instances of original research, and many sentences completely fail WP:NPOV.
The section regarding his family is irrelevant to the article. The article is about him and not his family.
I'm not sure why you are reverting the article to its AfD state. If anything that's where you would NOT want it to be. I'm trying to improve the article here, so please don't keep reverting it to what is clearly an inferior version. Finally, don't accuse me of "suppressing facts". I'm not doing any such thing. --vi5in21:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I was requested to simply re-structre the article with sub-sections for its assessment. I have spent a lot of time on reading the references and it's text and I do not believe that it's text violates WP:NPOV. You have un-successfully tried to get this article deleted so I can have an idea about your recent edits. Regarding grammer/spelling issues, please feel free to help the article.
I do not see any sentence failing WP:NPOV, every sentence is duly referenced. This is one of the best referenced articles I have ever seen.
As per Amnesty International Babbar's family women were tortured because of Babbars as well, for example: - "the police tortured her, and threatened to kill her and to torture her children if she did not disclose the whereabouts of her husband", "The two women were taken by van to the Beeco interrogation centre, Batala, and detained without charge. Both women say that they were tortured during interrogation about their husbands' whereabouts" - Hence suppressing this information will be favouring the regime, which will be WP:NPOV issue.
The house which police officials forcibally captured in city of Patiala is the same house which was raided to capture Mr. Babbar and it is the same place where he died.
Regarding word "hundereds", provided reference does say that "Ajaib Singh Bagri addressed hundreds of worshippers".
I did nominate the article for deletion. If you went through my comments on that article you'll see that I did withdraw my nomination. There are quite a few sentences that fail NPOV:
The section title "Indian harassment and torture of his family" itself is completely NPOV.
How about "the circumstances of his death are disputed; it could be a Death, Murder or an Encounter" - That is completely OR and is a deliberate attempt to induce confusion. The article only says that the circumstances are disputed; not how they are.
Just going through the diff will help you see them. This is frankly not "one of the best referenced articles" I have ever seen. If anything, it is a terribly written article full of OR, NPOV, Peacock terms and all-round horrible English. You'll notice that I left in the stuff about alleged torture, because it's well referenced and it does have a place in the article since the security forces were interrogating them trying to find Babbar's location. However, the case regarding his family and their home has no place in this article. I apologize for removing the term "hundreds". I skimmed through the article and I missed it at the beginning. The article has been protected now, which is perfect - I was actually going to request it. So I urge you to actually take part in the discussion and improve the article instead of reverting (which I'm afraid I think you might do) to an inferior version of the article. --vi5in21:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Vivin, I have been following you and it appears you have an overt agenda to dismiss atrocities that were inflicted by some of your coreligionists. This short article is well-referenced and you should take your agenda elsewhere. If you do find that something lacks a reference, bring it up in a discussion on this page instead of being disingenuous and removing important information. You can tag that sentence asking for a reference and if the editors cannot provide a reference, only then it should be removed. There is no original research in this article--this information has been cited by Amnesty and other mainstream human rights sources. Please desist from removing important content that an editor has spent a great deal of time writing and which is supported by mainstream credible sources. Zafarnamah (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
