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CfD nomination of Category:User Barek

I have nominated Category:User Barek (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz 17:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Per comments, I've tagged the category with {{db-g7}}. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Formatting?

The "0" is actually okay -- whenever there's a from the editor piece, it's marked as a "0" so that it's centered on the main Signpost pages. The problem was actually a separate issue -- I made a change in {{s-s}}, trying to fix a minor, unimportant formatting bug, and didn't realize I created a much larger one. Thanks for the heads up. Ral315 (talk) 01:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it! --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

my warning

Please help me rather than giving warnings. In the Lavan Davis article, along with the Tyler Perry's House of Payne, and Cassi Davis articles, I and other editors have been battling a dynamic IP that apparently has a couple user accounts also. They keep adding unsourced info and copyright violating images. This user had ignored many, many warnings, and since the IP keeps changing (209.xxx.xxx.xxx), warnings to the IP are useless. Help please. Asher196 (talk) 23:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking into it - the warnings were just a first step. The images do have issues, and I'm addressing those now. For the text, I haven't looked closely yet, but didn't see any obvious issues with it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The obvious issue is the unsourced nature of it. Which I have been trying to get across to this editor. See the talk page at Lavan Davis. Asher196 (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I see you are being reverted by this sockpuppet now. Asher196 (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Please revert the poorly sourced marriage issue in the article also. They are sourcing Imdb, which has an almost word for word copy of the paragraph in the article. I believe this user added this info to Imdb, since it appeared on Misplaced Pages by this editor first. Asher196 (talk) 00:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The article is now fully protected, so I'm unable to edit it. You'll need to discuss changes on the talk page and add an {{editprotected}} tag to the talk page to get the article changed now. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

A Couple Things

Have a couple of questions, I hope you can help me. The first is, I am the author for three pages so far, Vita Nelson, Moneypaper Inc and Temper of the Times. Now, I work for Ms. Nelson, she wrote me the material first hand for her page, and she owns the two companies, MP and TOTT, what can I use for sources? There's no article that's going to corroborate what she's standing here telling me about her life, you know?

Second is, as you can see, I've been on the Coke, Johnson & Johnson and Bank of America pages trying to put up links. Now, these aren't advertising links, they are to a financial prospectus regarding DRIPs (Dividend Reinvestment Plans). There's nothing ad related to be able to put down that these plans exist, it's not linking to a page to buy something, it's simply informative and all of the information is 100% accurate and updated every day.

Thanks for the help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 21:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

There are multiple problems here - first and foremost is that you have a conflict of interest in the subject of those articles, so should probably avoid editing them. See WP:COI for details.

Next, one of the three core content policies on Misplaced Pages states "the threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth". This surprises and confuses many editors; but the simple fact is that if statements cannot be verified via reliable third-party sources, then it shouldn't be in the article. Granted, a lot of Misplaced Pages articles need cleanup in this regard; but the fact that other articles also have problems is not a viable excuse for another article to do the same. See WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:NOR for further clarification on this point.

For the links, the pages linked are clearly soliciting sales, as is demonstrated by the large prominent button on the page labelled "Order Enrollment in this DRIP". These links also contain tracking IDs, which is against Misplaced Pages's external links guidelines. See WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT for further clarification.

Note also that the link has been reported to WP:WPSPAM so that there's a record of the insertion of the links. Continued re-insertion (ie: spamming) of links can result in a user account being blocked, or the site being blacklisted. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Why would knowing the subject constitute a conflict of interest? Nothing in the article is promoting or advertising the subject in any way. I would have to have an intimate knowledge of the person I'm editing to begin with, and unless the person or topic I'm writing about has enough notoriety to have been covered in another arena, how would one obtain this knowledge without getting it first hand from the subject? A lack of third party sources shouldn't diminish the importance of having the subject included in wikipedia. Besides, if someone else had done this before me and gotten the information from the subject, and then I took that as a third party and made the page, that would make it more reliable?

Now can you actually give me a suggestion that might help me and resolve the issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 14:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interest because you work for the subject (as I said, read WP:COI). Misplaced Pages policies mandate that reliable third party sources be used (see WP:V and WP:RS), lacking those can make it impossible to meet Misplaced Pages's defined criteria of notability (see WP:N), which can potentially result in articles being deleted. I've provided links to multiple site policies and guidelines; my suggestion is that you read those - as failure to abide by those can result in deletion of content, blocking of editing access, or in extreme situations result in blacklisting of websites and page protection preventing articles being created under certain names. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, Ms. Nelson has informed me that her biographical information can be verified at Who's Who in America and other Who's Who databases. Would that qualify as a valid source? Is that something that you guys can look at and confirm or do I need to find it and link to it myself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 16:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

A citation to Who's Who in America would be a good one, although I would be surprised if it contained reference for all parts of the articles. Additional sources could be news articles, books, professional journals (third party ones), etc - which could add additional references for supporting claims/statements/facts presented in the artcles. Generally, multiple references are considered better. I don't have a subscription to Who's Who in America myself, nor am I a student at a university (many of which have access to the Who's Who online database), so I can't assist in identifying the citation content myself. What is needed is formal citation information (book title, publisher, publishing date, edition, relevant pages in the book, author if listed, etc) - or for sources where one exists, a url.

Note also that the tags at the top of the article are merely cleanup tags (none of the articles are currently tagged with anything questioning their notability nor with "deleting" tags). The cleanup tags shouldn't be viewed as some sort of stigmata as they are not critical of the subject of the article - they are merely tags indicating that the article requires additional cleanup efforts so that the formatting and verifiability of the article meet Misplaced Pages inclusion criteria. Many articles in Misplaced Pages contain similar tags. Adding references is an excellent step towards resolving the issues identified by the tags - just don't be surprised if they come-and-go from the article over time - it's not uncommon for that to happen with articles on Misplaced Pages. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I signed up for a trial to Who's Who, so I'll get on that, but in the meantime, I posted three articles on the Moneypaper Inc page, from Reuters, Investment News and Kiplingers, how many sources is sufficient? Is that a good amount or should I have more? What is standard procedure? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 19:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have provided a link to WP:CITE. If a single source covers everything mentioned in the article, then that's sufficient - the reason I suggest multiple sources is that it's rarely the case where a single source can address all claims/statements/facts presented in an article.

The normal method of citing information is to insert the reference within the body of an article between "ref" tags - where the ref is relevant (this is what's mentioned in one of the cleanup tags, a need for in-line citations). Here are a couple exmaples:

Text statement to which a reference is being provided.<ref>http:url_goes_here</ref>

Text statement to which a reference is being provided.<ref>Marquis Who's Who in America, pages xx-yy, published 1902</ref>

More advanced citation methods using templates such as {{cite web}}, {{cite book}}, {{cite news}}, etc can be found at the WP:CITE link which I just listed above. But those templates tend to only get used after people become familiar with more basic formatting first.

The applicable format would be placed imediately after the text which is supported by the source. Then at the end of the article, a "references" section can be added which will automatically list all of the references used in the above article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I added three sources, I think I did it right, check it out and let me know if you would. Do I need more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 14:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Also how do I make the pictures that I uploaded ok to post? I had them up on my pages and they were taken down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 14:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The ref tag formatting looks correct.

For images, I'm not an expert - so you may want to ask someone else. From what I can see, it appears that there may be license issues. For images where the creator publicly displays that the image is available under a free license, you just need to indicate that license in the page that holds the image. For copyrighted images (including company logos) it gets trickier, as the only legal way that Misplaced Pages can use those images is under the "fair use" clause of copyright law - so if the image meets the requirements of fair use, then it can be uploaded with a fair use tag that spells out why the image is viewed as legal to be used on Misplaced Pages under the fair use clause.

Like I said, I'm not an expert on images ... a good place to go for asking Misplaced Pages how-to questions such as this may be WP:HELPDESK. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, one more question. I received information from who's who America, they sent me Ms. Nelson's bio and all of the books she has appeared in, how can I reference that without having a website to link to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftermidmusic (talk • contribs) 19:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Did they provide an ISBN number (or similar identification number), book title, page, publisher name and publish date? Those are the main things needed for book references, although more information can be provided as well.

If you're comfortable trying templates, here's the basic format to use ... just fill in the information that you do have after the equal signs, and leave blank after any equal signs where you don't have data:

<ref>{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |pages= |url= }}</ref>

For example, it might look something like this when filled out:

<ref>{{cite book |title=Who's Who in America |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year=2008 |publisher=] |location= |isbn=1234567890 |pages=102-104 |url= }}</ref>

Which would generate output looking like this in the notes section:

Who's Who in America. Marquis Who's Who. 2008. pp. 102–104. ISBN 1234567890. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: checksum (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

More info on the cite template can be found at WP:CITE or {{cite book}}. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

SS Carl D. Bradley

Barek, as I recall you are nautically oriented. This needs a picture. It is also kind of light on content. The 50th anniversary is within the week. If you could help, I would always appreciate it, even if no one else notices. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

I'll search some more tonight. On an initial search, I found several images - but most had unclear copyright status. I should be able to locate one after dinner that's available under a free copyright license, just takes some sifting through the searches. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

God bless you and godspeed. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

I uploaded an image, and did some formatting tweaks. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I added some material. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Please note my talk page about my suggestion (and the response) to it being a DYK. We are not way off the 12,500 number. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Good improvements. Note the Alpena News article, which is pretty good, I think. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

SS Daniel J. Morrell

Barek, Picture please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

I searched all of my usual sources but couldn't find an image with any of those. I've also tried doing broader searches from other sources; but can find very fiew images of this ship, and all of the ones that I can find are copyrighted. I'll look more; but it's not looking promising so far on finding an image of this one under a free license. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Bummer. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thanks

For your visit of my page and concern.Cheers.--Florentino floro (talk) 06:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)