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Archived

Question regarding Nulka

User talk:Pdfpdf/Archive09#Question regarding Nulka - 71.118.222.75 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I took the photo myself last Sunday, so I own it. I was standing on the top deck of the USS McClusky with my kids and took a picture of the launcher from about 30 feet away. I also had an interesting talk with one of the officers about how it works, backed up with online research. I should be able to flesh out the article a bit. I will set up an account and then talk to you again soon. 71.118.235.109 (talk) 04:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Archived

Image in baseball cap

Glad to help. I'm not sure if that editor is who he claims to be. It doesn't seem consistent to put up a web page and then try to redact info from Misplaced Pages. Either way, he's going about it all wrong. →Wordbuilder (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

We didn't come to a final decision on the image. I'm going to nominate it for WP:PUI review, but wanted to give you a heads up first. →Wordbuilder (talk) 20:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Divine Mafa

VC

Hi PDF, Here's where I got the 16 medals at Richmond from . Have a look about 1/4 of the way down the webpage. Maybe the museum has returned one since 2001 but I can't find any evidence. You make some good points. It irritates the hell out of me that some editors revert perfectly good changes for perfectly bad reasons. I'm not bothering editing the page again. 86.24.116.38 (talk) 16:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


VC (again)

Hi David. I know "winner" is not uncommon usage, but one doesn't "win" a VC, it's not a competition. One "earns" a VC. One is "awarded" a VC. And when one receives it, one becomes a "recipient". (Not a "winner".)
"Winning" is usually associated with being the end-product / goal of doing something. In the case of a VC, the medal is/was neither the goal nor the end product of the act, (particularly if the recipient died in the process).
So, that's my 2¢ worth. What are your thoughts on the matter? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

As I recall, even the MOD uses winner wehn referring to GC and VC - certainly in one of the cases taht was altered it was for instructions on how to navigate through a website, so the terminology should be left as the website itself uses it. Recipient just seems very stilted, holder might be better, but winner has been the consensus version for a long time - it's been discussed on teh talkpage before. David Underdown (talk) 17:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, recipient does seem a bit clumsy; I would have preferred a different word. But "winner" just doesn't seem appropriate. The first time I read the article I was surprised to see that "winner" had made it through the reviews; one day I'll dig through the archives and see how/why it did. Thanks for your reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

D.Mafa

Duplicate of above posting, posted again. Fumblingfoe (talk • contribs) 16:51, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks" I am amazed about my presence on the internet. I hate to be refered to as a Rhodes scholar, I want that remmoved. I hate to have the history of my family online, cna you help me edit this. It appears you are from back home. How are you? Divine, Fumblingfoe (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


You are so so funny, Fumblingfoe (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Fumblingfoe (talk · contribs)

Hey, just a friendly reminder regarding this reversion, per WP:USER, although archiving is preferred, Fumblingfoe was totally within his rights to blank his talk page. Thanks 80.42.147.114 (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Milhist

Hi:

Is there any particular reason why you're reluctant to sign up, by the way? --ROGER DAVIES  18:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Roger
If I signed up, it would be reasonable of you to expect me to do something useful. If I didn't do anything useful, I would feel guilty, and I expect you would feel disappointed. This way, anything I do is a plus to both sides. (I guess in modern management jargon, I'm doing expectation management, and I'm going for a win-win outcome!)
But thanks for asking; I hadn't examined my motivation before.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 23:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:JC-Adelaide.jpg

Hi, That picture is from a few years ago and I think I have lost the original file.

I don't know why the new image is only 1MB. Maybe when I cropped it, the image was compressed. The original photo was actually 3.4MB.

thanks. --Jamiec1962 (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Mike Hindmarsh

User talk:Pdfpdf/Archive09#Mike Hindmarsh
Hi Pdf, it is my understanding that the Duntroon of the era in which Hindmarsh graduated typically constituted a three year course. With this in mind, my guess is that Hindmarsh joined the ADF in 1975 upon entering Duntroon. Hope this helps, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 12:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, I have no conclusive reference, but it is common knowledge that the Duntroon course formally ran for three years. I would revert if I was you, as the ball seems to be more in our court on this one. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Nar, I'll leave it up to you, mate. You noticed the change and requested Backswamp to provide a reference, so you're obviously quite in control of the situation. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I suppose you could be right and he graduated late in 1978. However, Duntroon was simular in General Cosgrove's time, and he entered in College in 1965 and graduated in 1968. With these facts in mind, I suppose it could go either way, and further investigation is more than likely required. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Francis Hassett

Hi. You are right; the first paragraph in the lead is a little clumsy. However, the main difference between what is there presently and your suggestion is that your's has removed the "a position marking him as the professional head of the Australian Defence Force" bit. I believe this should be retained, as a common person who is not very knowledgeable in the area of the Australian Military would not know what the position of Chief of the Defence Force Staff signifies. Also, the purpose of the lead is to summarise the article without going into too much detail, so I don't think the years of his promotions to brigadier or general are really required in the lead. As for the last issue raised, the position of Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee is actually quite different from Chief of the Defence Force Staff. The CDFS had quite substantially increased power compared to CCSC, and was a completely reorganised position. While the difference between CDFS and CDF is just in name, the CCSC had very little power compared to the CDFS.

Now, for some of my changes. Hassett's medals for his service in Malaya I have moved to the end of the "Later career" section. Due to an addition I made, it seemed a little awkward and I knew you wouldn't exactly be impressed if I removed it entirely, so I figured it would sit well with the other listing of his medals in the aforementioned section. I also removed the "It's an Honour" reference in regards to his CBE; again, this was due to an addition I made. As the mention of the CBE is now in the middle of a sentence, I didn't think it would look that great having a double reference and having a separation that large between words. As I have previously stated, "It's an Honour" does violate WP:VER, however, if you feel so compelled that you must re-add it (I know how much you do like "It's an Honour", lol) then I won't engage in an edit war and remove it.

I hope this clarifies some things, and explains others. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Geez, I'm having a difficult time in finding the words to reply here! It my writing seems a little all over the place, I appologise, but here goes: I can have another look at the lead, and make a few tweaks (such as adding "anchors"); everything on the "It's an Honour" website is covered in the London and Commonwealth Gazettes, plus a little extra in some places; and, sorry, but no. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories & Moving images to Commons

Why does moving images to Commons break the Categories? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages and Commons have separate categorization. Misplaced Pages images are in Misplaced Pages categories, and Commons images are in Commons categories. The category trees do not exactly mirror each other. Conscious (talk) 07:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. So why, when the image is moved, doesn't the move process leave behind the WP categories? It doesn't seem very well-designed that someone has to manually re-create the category links? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Because categories may be different in Commons and Misplaced Pages, there is hardly a method to automatically find the best match. However, in many cases the same categories will work, and CommonSense can be used to categorize images. When I delete images from Misplaced Pages, the most typical case I see is that images are in no (Misplaced Pages) categories except those added by templates. Actually, I think that (freely licensed) images shouldn't be uploaded to Misplaced Pages in the first place. Conscious (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Bus Transfer Boxes

I've started a new addition to the Railway Station articles... tell me what you think! Glanville_railway_station,_Adelaide#Bus_routes
Normangerman (talk • contribs) 12:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

"tell me what you think!" - That was a dangerous question!! Here goes:
  • My internet connection keeps dropping out tonight and I'm getting annoyed at having to do everything twice.
  • Is that the best picture of Glanville Station we have? It's not the most attractive place on the planet, is it!
  • Interesting track layout! I wonder why four platforms and three tracks, and why one track is served by two platforms? I've not seen that before.
However, I expect that was not exactly what you were seeking ...
  1. FYI, another WP interest I have is Oz Military biographies. Some wiki-friends and I have been adding tables of medals to the bio pages (e.g. Peter Cosgrove#Awards, Keith Payne#Honours and awards). We have run into a vocal group who complain that this information is: "superfluous"; "not necessary"; "duplication"; "image cruft"; "already in the info box"; yada; yada; yada. I fear that you may risk similar reaction. Yes, the data in the "Transfers" section of the info box is but a mere and tiny subset of the information in your new table, but WP being WP and Murphy being Murphy, some pedant is "sure" to come along and make similar complaints.
  2. There's an awful lot of "white space" on that page. Why is the table so wide? i.e. Why doesn't it stop just to the right of "Birkenhead Bridge"? If it did, the table might then appear immediately under "A small bus/rail interchange was built adjacent to the station in the mid 1990's to cater for bus's serving the LeFevre Peninsula area.", which (I think) would look a lot better.
  3. One of the military bio pedants has introduced me to "show" - there must be a million examples, but I can't find one right now! There's a "sort-of" example at User:Abraham, B.S.#Awards. However, although similar, that's not exactly what I mean.
  4. What requirements are you intending to address by putting the table there? (e.g. Are you expecting people to use it in journey planning?)
  5. The page is about the railway station. Bus transfers are mentioned in the info box. How important are bus transfers to the history etc. of the railway station. Do they merit that much space?
  6. The table takes up more space, and is more eye-catching than the picture of the station. Is that desirable?
Well, that's a start. How else can I help? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the box was there before, but it was rather ugly. I might remove the section out of the InfoBox when I've set a few up, and, yes, I will get a better photo of the station soon (although it's quite ugly in the first place anyway). I've fixed the table, so it should be better now. Normangerman (talk • contribs) 14:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

D. Mafa (again)

you are not the gat kepper of all knowledge. you re wrong for vandilizing this site becase you have no knowledge of the people who are heroes to many that you dont know. 69.143.57.71 (talk) 02:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

"you are not the gat kepper of all knowledge." - No, I'm not. And neither are you. And this observation is of no relevance to anything. I gather you are complaining because I told you that "information" without supporting evidence is not acceptable on WP. They are not my rules. Familiarise yourself with the rules before you start complaining. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

"you re wrong for vandilizing this site" - Well, firstly, I didn't vandalise. Secondly, I'm not wrong. As I said: "They are not my rules. Familiarise yourself with the rules before you start complaining." Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

"you have no knowledge of the people who are heroes to many that you dont know." - Wrong again. As a matter of fact (not opinion), I now know quite a bit about D. Mafa. The issue, of which you seem to be totally unaware, and totally unwilling to educate yourself, is that wikipedia requires EVIDENCE, and you are not supplying any. Until such time as you provide some, I will continue to revert your edits. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Divine Mafa to Pdfpdf Everything is documented from Oxford. You should call them or send an email. I am a fourth witness to attest to the intellect of Divine Mafa, black Rhodes Notable scholar and you seem to be fighting his notability. You are limiting participation from all of us who mean well. As of now on, you can keep Wiki to yourself. Its of no value to me and the people I know. Its a joke because you made it so. You argue things you have no evidence to because you dont like it. I followed Pdfpdf talks. You are rude and abnoxious and you think the world is your to bnully people on Wiki. I am personally calling wiki to inform them on how rude you are and disrespectiful you have been to other users. How can I truely say you Pdfpdf? I can never prove you or you gay friend did the last talk. Its impossible to tell. Its hard to quantify the truth. This is why wiki is an online third party community that debates these things. By count I am a the fourth Rhodes Scholar in Virginia,USA. Divine Mafa was my class mate at Oxford and is very notable, but not you. We had great intellectual times there. He was a champion of human rights and very notable in our community and abroad. He also invented the dignostic toilet. A toilet that detects your blood sugar level after you finished using the toilet. Now, lets get this straight? How do you expect me to put a research paper of this magnitude on wiki? How do you expect me to get a woman from rural Zimbabwe to write on Wiki and she has never had a computer. You Pdfpdf, live in a world that depends on google. You are immature,ignorrant and arrogant. The worse things that may be good is to visit you, take to you people who experienced good works of these Rhodes scholars that you love to emulate and hate inside your heart. Mcmillan,

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