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Signature

Hi again Docu. I took a look at your comments at Misplaced Pages talk:Signatures and I'm afraid I wasn't able to see where you answered my recent question about why you don't link your userpage/talkpage and include time and date in your signature and so I'd ask again that you explain this. Thanks. Adambro (talk) 18:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of the stated goals for the 2007 change?

BTW did you have any luck trying to reason him? Note that you are free to rescind your previous decision. -- User:Docu

You've still yet to answer my question about your signature. Regarding Andy's recent edits, I've yet to understand what the issue is and so if you could clarify this for me I would very much appreciate it. Adambro (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I share your analysis here in regards to his edits. Can you try to convey this to him? -- User:Docu

So, if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that he is making edits which have implications which he isn't dealing with? Could you provide some diffs to help me understand. I also still await a response to my question regarding your signature. Adambro (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you have a look at the diffs provided earlier? I hope you do understand that my question predates yours and the point still hasn't be resolved. -- User:Docu

If you are in a dispute with Andy then you're probably best talking this through with him. I don't have a good enough understanding of what the issue here is to become involved in mediating as it would appear you want me to do. I would therefore ask again that you explain your reason for not having links and time/date in your signature as others are also concerned about. It could be said that, unless you provide a good reason for not doing, omitting this information is just creating others more unnecessary work in order to work out when your comments are made and find your userpage, talk page, and contributions, and as such could be classed as being disruptive. Adambro (talk) 13:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not in dispute with Andy, he just broke a few pages and doesn't bother repairing them. BTW I'm participating in the related discussion thread (see Misplaced Pages talk:Signatures). -- User:Docu

I've raised this issue here. Adambro (talk) 20:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your signature

Hi Docu. I've noticed some of your posts on talk pages, and found that when you sign them, your signature doesn't include:

• a link to your user page or user talk page;
• the date/time stamp.

The latter is very important, as it enables the reader to tell when your comment was made. This is especially important on pages like the Adminstrators' noticeboard or the incidents page, when lots of posts are made in quick succession and it's impossible to make sense of what order comments were made in if the date/time stamps are not there. It is also useful to be able to get to the page of the person who made the post.

If you have modified the default signature in your preferences, then please either change it back, or change it so that the timestamp is included. If you don't know what I mean, then just remember to sign your posts using ~~~~, or by clicking the signature button above the editing window.

If you have any other questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, --RFBailey (talk) 21:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It has just come to my attention that you are an administrator. So, I'm sorry if the above sounded a bit patronising, but given that you are an administrator, I really, really, shouldn't have to be telling you how to sign talk pages and why the timestamps are important! --RFBailey (talk) 21:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. For consistency, I sign my comments in the same way. Apparently this seems problematic to some, especially since someone revised the related guideline. Anyways, I'm participating in the related review thread (see Misplaced Pages talk:Signatures). I do agree with you that the post on WP:ANI should have been timestamped, please excuse the omission. -- User:Docu

Could you add a link to your user or talk page to your sig? Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with sugar on top?

It's a courtesy to other editors, to save them the inconvenience of scrolling back to the top of (say) AN/I and typing User talk:Docu in the search box every time they want to leave you a message. If there's some harm that would come to you from having the link, we can try to work out an alternative solution, but I'm not sure if I see the downside. I know that you don't have to do it, but it would be really quite neighbourly if you did. (Perhaps it would be best if you replied in the thread at AN/I, as I imagine that folks there are interested in the reason for your stance.) Cheers, TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to second this. It's fairly annoying not to have a datestamp, and even more annoying not having a link to your user page in your signature! Come on dude, just how hard is it to type in four tildes? Surely it would be less inconvenient than typing in User:Docu! - Tbsdy lives (talk) 12:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC) (formerly Ta bu shi da yu)

Please participate in the discussion of the reasons behind for 2007 change at Misplaced Pages talk:Signatures. -- User:Docu

No, I've given you the reasons why it's irritating to the majority of Wikipedians when you don't have a wikilink or a datestamp on your sig. I'm asking you directly here, why do you feel that it is important to only have an internal link to your userpage (and in many cases, you don't even have that!)? - Tbsdy lives (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

If you don't explain why it's annoying to you, this doesn't help much. Adding an explanation mark to every other sentence may appear annoying to me and others, but I wouldn't bother commenting on your talk page about this.

Anyways, the timestamp is not required. If comments are added in sequence as I do this, in most cases, there isn't much use in adding one. -- User:Docu

What would be the point, when you refuse to address the issue there (while saying that you will)? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing, you still haven't explained your "extra work" yet, so we can't really help you with this. -- User:Docu

Others have explained why they consider your signature to be a nuisance on a number of occasions, I don't think anyone should need to reiterate the reasons. Adambro (talk) 13:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I think Pigsonthewing should, because none of those seem to apply. -- User:Docu

Howdy, Docu. I know that I certainly explained why it's inconvenient to other editors in my request, but you haven't gotten back to me. I'll also note that undated remarks confuse archiving bots and can make it more difficult to follow multithreaded conversations on busy noticeboards.

I think a lot of community members, on a number of different pages, have offered explanations as to how and why your current sig is inconvenient and potentially harmful. Could you do us the courtesy now of explaining why you don't want to have a link and a datestamp in your sig? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

TenOfAllTrades, I don't think you had much an inconvenience finding this talk page, as you probably came here from a thread linking my user page in the section header. BTW I'm not sure if you noticed at what occasion it was opened. -- User:Docu

But surely, Docu, you're not suggesting that all of your talk page contributions are prefaced with wikilinks to your userspace? Newer editors than I may have quite a bit more difficulty without the link, and the lack of timestamps breaks the functionality of some archive bots. I'm still hoping that you could explain what the harm to you is in using the standard sig, or a variant. I know that a part of you probably just wants to be stubborn about it because Pigsonthewing is being abrasive, but some other editors – good ones, with whom you haven't any quarrel – have asked nicely. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

As state here before, my signature was always the same. The AltGr key being a nuisance to use, it's simpler to do it that way and still clearly identifies who made a comment.

If you think it's important, can you open a new thread on WT:Signatures to discuss why the link requirement was added? I withdrew from the discussions after the thread got "sidetracked" .. -- ♠♣♥♦

If you don't have easy access to ~ on your keyboard it is still possible easily to insert the signature, simply click on ~~~~ below the edit summary box when you're editing a page. Adambro (talk) 17:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Template on Classification of Lakes

Plase read my suggestions on the lake template and also my suggestion of posting a template for classification of lakes.I am basing the clasifcation on the artcile I have co-authored on Lake Management in India for ILEC--Nvvchar (talk) 10:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate

{{Coordinate}}is in use on four articles. Rich Farmbrough, 01:57 22 September 2008 (UTC).