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Appeal of warning re: WP:ARBAA2 made by user:Seraphimblade

I wish to appeal the warning posted to my talk page and to the arbitration enforcement log by user:Seraphimblade for edit warring at Sheylanli. I was not edit warring, I only made one revert. All my edits including the revert was made in good faith. I feel that I am unfairly being tarred by the same brush as a revert warrior who was reverting not just my edits but admin user:Golbez's edits in Nagorno-Karabakh and trying to insert the harshest of POVs. Seraphimblade's reasoning for believing that I was edit warring is here where he erroneously believes that four edits of mine were actually reverts. Only one of those four links is an actual revert and it was a good faith revert because I was reverted before without any explanation. To summarize:

is not a revert. It's adding new material and accuracy

is a revert because I was reverted without any discussion in talk.

is not a revert. I was removing a propaganda site and I was never aware that it had ever been removed before. This is a new edit.

I am adding tags that have never been added before. Not a revert.

They were all good faith edits and they were all discussed in talk. Just because someone reverted my edits shouldn't mean that I should be tarred by the same brush. I was not edit warring and my only intention was to come to a consensus on that article. If the same standards that have been applied to me were applied to all edits in wikipedia than every single edit that was not a clear addition of information only would be considered a revert. Please give this your consideration. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 20:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't really need to appeal warnings. They're just meant to inform possibly unaware editors that they could face sanctions; there is no hierarchy of "warning --> sanctions". Although it is true that editors should generally be warned before facing sanctions, this is only because it is unfair to sanction someone for behavior which they did not know was sanctionable. A general warning is very common, and does not imply wrongdoing or upcoming sanctions; the warning you recieved is similar, but points to specific behavior which could lead to sanctions. Whether or not you feel that behavior violated the restrictions isn't really important, since the warning is merely meant to inform you of it — if your behavior wasn't in violation, then you will not be sanctioned. Warnings aren't retracted, because they merely serve an informational purpose — the fact that you have been informed is irrevocable, so even someone saying "your edits were AOK" will really change anything with any real significance. --Haemo (talk) 00:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

My talk page says it's a warning however the arbitration enforcement log says "Pocopocopocopoco (talk · contribs) notified of discretionary sanctions due to edit warring in the affected areas. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)" which seems like it's more than a warning. I believe that entry should be removed from the arbitration enforcement log. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree you weren't revert warring, however, while sanctions can be appealed, you can't appeal notifications. PhilKnight (talk) 10:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Moldopodo

This user, ideologically quite similar to User:Xasha, has a record of incivility toward me. I will not at this point dredge up his past attacks (including accusing me of insanity and drug addiction) or repeat what the controversy is about - a summary of that can be read in my recent report on Xasha. I will, however, highlight two of his recent personal attacks, made after Xasha was warned and then blocked for such attacks, something Moldopodo was well aware of (a message in which, incidentally, he expressed agreement with Xasha's personal attack on me). First: he attacked a very logical argument by User:Dahn thus: "...your Greater Romania crap propaganda style rhetorics. This is encyclopedia and not a forum for expression of your irredentist POV". Not only is such language inaccurate, it's quite inflammatory. In any event, his second attack, directed towards me, is highly inflammatory, false and offensive: "one does not need to be a rocket scientist to understand, that giving a user his/her just description has nothing to do with the dispute...If the user is ethno-racist, then the user is ethno-racist, it's impossible to call him/her "Red Rose", no, it's ethno-racist. Dispute or not, edits of the concerned users repeatedly prove negation of everything Moldavian and organising collective proaganda of Greater Romanian Balkan crap on the entire Wikpedia and all related projects" (bold mine). Essentially, what he is saying here is that he reserves the right to call me whatever he pleases if he thinks it's accurate, WP:CIV, WP:AGF and WP:NPA notwithstanding. I hope and trust the enforcers will beg to differ, keeping in mind the Digwuren restriction and perhaps even the Digwuren warning, and certainly the fact that Moldopodo is already under an editing restriction. Biruitorul 00:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should automatically put anyone that edits those pages on arb restrictions. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's quite possible to edit those pages without personal attacks - I have done it, User:Illythr has done it, User:Thedagomar has done it, and so forth. I should point out that after I notified Moldopodo of my report, he replied with further personal attacks: "You are what you are, for the negation of the simple fact that is recognized by the world's community, Romania as well. Instead of proving what a civilised Romanian you are, you prove the common stereotype of uncivilised gypsy related Romanian that exists all over in Europe" (bold mine). So he continues to stand by his "ethno-racist" comment, and furthermore calls me an "uncivlised gypsy" - an attack not only against me, but against the Roma people, by equating them with being uncivilised. Biruitorul 05:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

So it's OK to call 3 mil self-declared Moldovans a "fantasy", UN-memeber Moldova an "illegitimate" state that "should be absorbed by its rightful owners, Bucharest, without delay", and the EU "a dangerous neo-Stalinist creature", as you did, Mr. B? (Now, administrators, consider how would you feel if instead of Moldovans he would talk about your nationality, and instead of Moldova about your country.) No, he didn't call you an uncivilised gypsy. He just mentioned the stereotype existing in Europe, as proved by the recent antiRomanian (a lot of them gypsies, or at least this is how Romanian media presents them) actions in Italy, and noted your behaviour may further instill it. (This doesn't mean I share his opinions, I just wanted to show that you're ready to do anything, even deliberately changing the meaning of somebody else's comment, to get your view promoted. How could we trust you on your offline references, when you disgracefully distort a message viewable by everybody here?)Xasha (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I happen to respect WP:CIV, WP:AGF and WP:NPA, and last I checked, lambasting the EU was not in violation of those. He said I "prove a stereotype". It'd be best if he abided by WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor". Biruitorul 13:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Such an attack on EU shows your fringe opinions are not limited to Moldova. And I think anyone can easily see what fringe has such a view on the EU, and how harmful someone supporting it could be to Misplaced Pages.Xasha (talk) 20:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

First, this report is about Moldopodo, not about me. Second, I'd be happy to discuss the EU's perfidy with you, but not here. Third, I defy you to show how I've "harmed" Misplaced Pages, but again, not here - this is about Moldopodo. Biruitorul 21:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you afraid you'll also be judged? I think you assumed that risk when you decided to complain here.Xasha (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, if you have a formal complaint to make it, please do so; however, I am not the subject of this complaint. Biruitorul 22:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Personal attacks, racism and uncivility are not the same thing as views about political bodies. bogdan (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Biruitorul, here you are again, making your ridiculous case strong by an old tactics proven on Misplaced Pages talk pages - filling another previously blank page with your imagination and even worse - perverse reading analysis. All I have to say to those who are going to consider the case, just go through the relevant talk pages and see yourself. I have nothing more to say, as I am afraid, this request will require a couple of archive pages with Biruitorul's traditional "feedback"... Biru, why are you called "Biruitorul"? (Winner in Moldavian) Who or what are you winning over? I am sorry, but I will always consider a user like you either a child, an unhealthy mature individual or a simple nuisance to Misplaced Pages. One thing for sure - the mere fact that you deny Moldavian nation, Moldavian language and Moldavian state makes further discussion with you useless until further treatment.--Moldopodo 00:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note to enforcers: the user has made another personal attack on me, saying he will consider a user like me "either a child, an unhealthy mature individual or a simple nuisance to Misplaced Pages", and accusing me of mental illness, saying he will not discuss with me "until further treatment". Biruitorul 00:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Note how he is again twisting the meaning of Moldopodo's words. Treatment means nothing but proper administrative action against Biruitorul (i.e. "the techniques or actions customarily applied in a specified situation" ). (This is what I tought the first time I read his message, and I think, unless Moldopodo denies it, this is the meaning we should consider per WP:AGF).It is really disturbing how this guy can misrepresent reality.Xasha (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Moldopodo blocked for 48 hours. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

The Northern Ireland Troubles

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I think a lot of this was due to him being new, but as he's retired, I'm closing this. If he returns, then we'll deal with this.

— Rlevse • Talk • 22:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I feel I need to apologise in advance for raising this most contentious of subjects again but I have genuine concerns. As a relatively new editor I was soon made aware of the problems which had gone before and resulted in an ArbCom decision on the Troubles and I can see why that was necessary. Although it isn't a subject of much interest to me I have noted far too much edit-warring and apparant "ownership" of articles being asserted to ensure that the modern history of Ireland (and particularly Northern Ireland) is kept with a particular slant. That bias is maintained with weasel words and an undue weight being applied to particular opinions. In my case this led to a baptism of fire because my first edits on Misplaced Pages were at the Ulster Defence Regiment article and as a complete novice I was bombarded with policy and convention notices, received two bans for edit-warring, which shocked me but very quickly taught me how to avoid it. To illustrate my concerns I have stepped outside my area of interest (which is military history) to edit an article at The Troubles and although I haven't added as many weasel captions as I feel I should because of the fear of totally vandalising the article, I've left enough there to show any reader why the article doesn't reflect the verifiable history of that period. There appears to be an unofficial cabal at work on Misplaced Pages whose motives are to keep ownership of articles related to the troubles. They apply various tactics which are in the guise of enforcing policies laid down by the site. This includes tag teaming to force the unwary into edit-wars, terrible incivility, policy pushing in the extreme (well beyond what is necessary), accusations of conflict of interest, outing and more. I've been subject to all of these and I'm now noting a number of other posters in the same genre getting the same. I do accept that as (still) a relative newcomer, there is much I don't know but I do have a certain pride in my intelligence and perception. My "unfairness" radar is working overtime. My work here is an excellent reflection of what's happening however. If any admin takes a look at what I have managed to achieve and note the one area where I've had problems I think it would be immediately apparant that there is an issue which needs to be addressed. I've sought advice and some admins and editors think this could be addressed by the existing ArbCom decision. I don't want to be a crusader. Nor do I want to spend my time on Misplaced Pages doing nothing except reporting violations of ArbCom. I want to be able to contribute sensibly and constructively. I've brought this matter to the attention of this board because of genuine concerns and I hope that something can be done to resolve it. IMO if it's not, then Misplaced Pages will not be able to achieve a high status rating as a true encyclopedic source of information on the internet.GDD1000 (talk) 10:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

A very interesting picture has just been painted, however it fails to identify the real problem. Time after time policy has been explained to this editor, a previous ArbCom enforcement request about this editor was ignored on the grounds he is "new", yet the problems still continue. This is not a problem with Troubles related articles as such, this is a problem with this particular editor. To demonstrate this, let's take an article he's been working on that is nothing to do with the Troubles - 7th Queen's Own Hussars. First off let's look at this completely unsourced large addition, now doesn't wording like "There were countless acts of heroism by the 7th in the face of the inhumanity of the Japanese" jump out as problematic, even ignoring the lack of sources? Luckily, a source was added in the next edit, but the source only proves that the previous addition was a copy and paste copyright violation. There were subsequent token amendments made to the history (including the removal of the highly POV quote about the Japanese), but the entire addition is still a copyright violation. Then there's this addition where a self-published source is added, despite the editor being told countless times before that self-published sources are not acceptable. Similarly he has been working on 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars, and the problems there are the same. This is the use of an source of questionable reliability, and this is the use of a source which is clearly self-published. And with the second diff, (unless it is from a subpage I cannot find) the information doesn't come from that website anyway. "July 1941 found the 8th Hussars back as part of the 4th Armoured Brigade with which they then fought during Operation Crusader at the battle of Sidi Rezegh Airfield, suffering heavy casualties when attacked in the rear by the 15th Panzer Division, which left them with just eight Honey Tanks fit for battle, with 35 having been captured in this engagement." is a copyright violation from here (which states the author retains copyright over the information), the original text from there was "July 1941 found the 8th Hussars back as part of the 4th Armoured Brigade with which they then fought during Operation Crusader, suffering heavy casualties when attacked in the rear by the 15th Panzer Division, which left them with just eight Honey Tanks fit for battle, with 35 having been captured in this engagement", the only difference being the addition of "at the battle of Sidi Rezegh Airfield" which isn't in the BBC article. I could provide similar problems on other articles he has edited and will if really needed, but I hope my point is already quite clear.

Now if I was to follow him to those articles and start dealing with all these problems I'd almost certainly be accused of stalking, harassment, "attacks on his work" (a phrase used repeatedly by him, yet he has the audacity to claim other people have ownership problems) and so on, and the exact same problems we are having on Troubles related articles would spread to those articles too. But no "Troubles editors" are editing those articles, and there's still all sorts of problems with the edits he makes, and if the "Troubles editors" went there the same never-ending discussions where he just refuses to get it would ensue, and everyone's time would be wasted. So it's crystal clear who is actually causing the problems, regardless of what articles he edits the problems are the same, and once this is addressed (which admins failed to do before) any other problems (if they even exist) will be far easier to identify and deal with. How much longer do we need to waste our time banging our heads against a brick wall? Right now it looks like someone needs to go over all this editor's with a fine toothcomb to check for copyright violations, but given my previous interactions with him it is probably best if someone else deals with it. Domer48 (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I completly concur with what Domer has said above, and as I have been accused of attacking his work and vandalising it here when I removed copyright violations, so I too will stay well away and hope that an admin does what Domer has suggested. BigDunc 16:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been brought to my attention that he's had issues with Copyvios.. I just removed one from a not-reliable site that turned the article into a Copyright Violation. His edit: the source . I will attempt to have a word with him, as has been said, he is a bit new and may not understand our policies on WP:COPYVIO andWP:RS, but he needs to understand before moving forward on this. *Signing properly* SirFozzie (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Just another example of adding back unsourced POV commentary. After everyone explaining this a number of times. What should I do? Ignore it and explaine again. --Domer48 (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The user in question has chosen to think I was attacking him, and "is no longer active on wikipedia", according to his user talk page. SirFozzie (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Tony0937

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warned about proper editing, that he's likely an SPA and also subject to the Arb911 remedies

— Rlevse • Talk • 21:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC) This single purpose, probable sock needs to stop pushing conspiracy theories and citing non-reliable sources in the realm of 9/11 articles under probation. Check the edit history for Tony0937 (talk · contribs) and the problem will be very evident. Jehochman 23:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Are there any specific diffs that we should look into? Please make it easier on admins monitoring this noticeboard. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Check the user's contributions. Just pick three or four diffs at random and you will immediately see a pattern. Jehochman 08:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a SPA to me. Thoughts? Did you notify the user? — Rlevse • Talk • 01:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Just so. Thanks for the reminder, I have notified them now. . We really do not need single purpose accounts adding to the 9/11 battles. I am requesting a review of this user's contributions, in total, and appropriate administrative action, such as formal notice and warning about WP:ARB9/11 sanctions. We should also consider the possibility that this account may be related to a topic banned user. Jehochman 08:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with anyone looking at my edits. I have endeavored to be polite and accurate and have not limited myself to only 9-11 although that is indeed my area of interest. I recognize that I am not perfect an I am open to logical criticism. If you have problems with my editing I would like to know what I can do to to be a better editor.Tony0937 (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Xasha

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So warned

— Rlevse • Talk • 01:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I've taken a heap of abuse from this individual and I think it's time to complain here. To give a bit of background on the issue: I happen to believe that Moldovans are in fact Romanians, and that Moldova should be a part of Romania. There are good reasons for this belief, but of course reasonable people may disagree. However, the way in which Xasha has expressed this disagreement is far from acceptable. I'll point out a series of remarks, culminating in the latest attack.

Here he said my ideas are "a clear clase of ethno-racist discrimination against the majority of Bessarabia's population...you have no right to deny the national rights of the Moldovans". When I complained, he asked, "I'm supposed not to accuse Hitler of anitsemitism either?...Your discourse here is heavily marked by ethno-racist overtones". When I complained again, he said of "Moldovans" that I "insult their nation and their country" - a risible accusation; my own grandfather is from there. Further arguments only brought more attacks (and Nazi comparisons): "I see you are more and more insulting towards my people. Now you imply Moldovans have no brain. ... your ethno-racists ideas are clear: you talk about Romania 50 years before it appeared on Europe's map and you talk about natural orbit (or the way your ideational predecessors called it, Lebensraum). I'm not going to speak to such kind of people. It's not the first time I hear Romanians talking about their different views(such as AdrianTM on Misplaced Pages), but it's the first time I hear one speaking in such insulting terms, excised from Europe 50 years ago".

In another thread, he began by baselessly accusing me of anti-Semitism and Russophobia: "Alexandru Graur. Or maybe, because he was Jewish, he "surely" was a Bolshevist who sold his soul to the Stalinist devil?...I'm sure Russia can't wait to steal Moldova's wines and food canning industry. Once they'll conquer Moldova, nothing would stand against their Imperial dream of ruling the Universe. This is outright russophobia". He then accused me of racism: "The majority of Moldova's population, that calls itself Moldovan, and refutes the name 'Romanian' applied by ethno-racists". And again: "It's not an ethno-racists job to impose a name on a people that doesn't want it". Then another Nazi comparison: "I'm not going to further discuss with a guy holding fringe opinions reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Your denial of Moldovan statality should exclude you from further debates about my country".

Today, he made another attack combining racism and Nazism charges: "No, it makes it easier for people to see who's the one living in the real world, where people have the freedom of thought and can freely say what they consider themselves, and who's living in an ethno-racist dream, where he thinks he can dictate on others his opinions based on hitlerite thought".

Throughout these episodes, I have treated this user with respect and courtesy, but my patience for these types of personal attacks is wearing thin. I believe the enforcers should act on this complaint, keeping in mind the Digwuren restriction and perhaps even the Digwuren warning. Biruitorul 00:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Boodlesthecat

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Already blocked for a week by Scarian. Let's see if this helps.

— Rlevse • Talk • 01:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC) I'd like to request that Boodlesthecat (talk · contribs) is put on Digwuren's restriction list. This user seems to create battlegrounds with revert warring (he has been blocked twice in the past few days and is now on a third report), bad faith assumptions and personal attacks on talks and in edit summaries (in violation of Digwuren's remedies 8 and 9):

• 07:09, May 28, 2008: "So you admit you are putting it in to prove a point... Again, it just a sad and offensive attempt by a coteries of biased editors who insist of defiling articles on Misplaced Pages by whitewashing the documented record of Polish antisemitism."
• 06:34, May 28, 2008: "This is fringe, Jew baiting, offensive original research designed to blame Polish antisemitism on a arbitrarily chosen, largely unknown Jewish figure. This violates WP:OR and is offensive POV pushing of the worst kind."
• 06:26, May 28, 2008: revert with edit summary "remove irrelevant, Jew baiting fringe original research"
• 02:06, May 28, 2008: "Please don't use talk pages as a soapbox for Jew baiting theories."
• 23:53, May 27, 2008: revert with edit summary "remove unsupported and wierd Jewish-baiting OR claim"
• 23:46, May 27, 2008: "You can't dance your way out of a simple historical fact. I'm not sure why you continue to attempt to rationalize this history of antisemitism, but you are not succeeding."
• 21:48, May 27, 2008: a clear PA: discussing editor, not the edit
• 01:45, May 26, 2008: "The notion ... shows basically the bias and ethnic baiting view of the editor"
• 00:14, May 22, 2008: Response to denial of unblock: "You have been notified about the bullying gang thuggery of this admin. Deal with it if you want. I am not going to waste time being battered by a gang of cyber thugs who have hijacked a string of article that they claim }owenership of, and who use outright lying and Jew baiting attacks to intimidate other editors with."
• 23:53, May 21, 2008: Unblock request after a 3RR violation: "The edit history clearly shows an orchestrated edit war being conducted, with no action taken against one side, while I have been blocked twice. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus, who is deeply involved in this dispute, has been misusing admin powers in a dispute he is involved in by filing two 3RR's against me, while ignoring the violations (including 3RR) of those who support him. His 3RR complaints are faulty as well, pretty much randomly listing any edit I make to the article as part of an RR series. I request this block be lifted AND that admins give attention to the concerted gang edit warring that Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus is leading"
• 18:34, May 21, 2008: revert with an edit summary: "you are now simply vandalizing the article by removing well suorced material simply becuase you disapprove of it"
• Accusing editor of antisemitism few days ago: , , ; accusing him of trolling and ranting ...

Given the above, I think it is quite clear that this user is heavily flaming and creating a disruptive, uncivil environment (and the series of 3RR blocks he is subject to shows his disruption reaches articles, too).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 11:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Update: I have just received am email from Boody (who has been blocked for a week for his third recent 3RR violation). The letter is highly offensive and uncivil, with threats, and makes it obvious (just as his most recent unblock request (denied)) does that he has no willingness to compromise. Due to privacy concerns I don't think I can copy his email here, but if any administrator or ArbCom member would like to look at it as part of the evidence, do let me know.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Boodles has edited in EE articles only in two articles, over a few days. Remedy 11 of Digwuren says "working on topics related to Eastern Europe." I strongly disagree that general-interest editors who happen to have stumbled across an EE article or two be made subject to the Digwuren restrictions arbitrarily. Those restrictions were set up to respond to large-scale civility problems across dozens of articles, and this would wind up being blatant misuse of those provisions to gain a leg-up over uninvolved editors (in effect, not in intent), which is precisely what we dont want happening in this area. --Relata refero (disp.) 16:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• So in other words he can create a battlefield and make personal attacks in how many articles? 3? 10? 100? ArbCom did not assign any "quota" to any editor; if you enter a minefield - even a small part of it - you better be careful or you may get hurt. Further, if you look at his edits, you can see he edited many more CE/EE articles; so he is certainly an editor involved with those topics, not some random passerby.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• I'd say ArbCom had best look at percentages, keeping the concern in mind that we don't want to include, not exclude, general-interest editors. --Relata refero (disp.) 16:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• If I was an administrator I would take User:Newyorkbrad's approach. Check the suspected offender what he did wrong against what he did right going way back and then decide what to do with this case accordingly. I only know Boodles from his activity editing the article Fear and its talk page, not enough to form an opinion. The same approach should be applied I think to User:Ludvikus, whom I don't know at all, but he has emailed me asking if I could intervene on his behalf in a matter why for doing allegedly the same thing, Boodles has been slapped on a wrist only (96 hrs), while he has been banned for two years? Beats me anyway. greg park avenue (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)