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Sockpuppetry

See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/DLX. Why engage in sockpuppetry? Can't you just edit like everyone else? --Irpen 05:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know of the checkuser - however, Digwuren is not my sockpuppet - or anyones, as far as I know. And don't engage in sockpuppetry - never have and never will. I just edit like everyone else. DLX 05:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

See my reply there. And I am waiting for your apology afterwards. DLX 05:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

No, my ISP is Starman. Digwuren 06:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

In that case it should be easy to clear this accusation, which smells... funny. Why would an administrator request checkuser out of the blue? I wonder if a certain Finn is behind this... I wouldn't like to think this about Irpen, who until now has seemed to be reasonable and good editor. DLX 06:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Likely. Selket is the admin who handled Petri Krohn's WP:3RR block; see User talk:Petri Krohn#Three revert rule. My best guess is that the latter complained about stalking in response of the block, and added the accusation of sockpuppetry, which the admin then checked out, this delusion possibly generated throught the idea that since you were the one to report him, you must have done so in revenge for blocking a sockpuppet. :-/ I have no other ideas, as this is the only place I recall Selket's name from. Digwuren 06:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to rain on your conspiracy theory, but no one was behind it except me. I did block Petri Krohn, bud I did not look at what he posted in response until just now. User:Trebor denied his unblock request. I got suspicious after observing some strange patterns on WP:AN3 about Jüri Uluots. Petri Krohn posted Digwuren who was blocked, then DLX posted Petri Krohn who was blocked, then DLX reverted the article. I noticed that there were a lot of shared articles in your recent edit histories, so I looked deeper. Eventually I felt I had enough to go to checkuser. The "likely" but not "confirmed" result I think leaves reasonable doubt. However, I would suggest going easy on the reverts in the future. Try not to use six reverts per day between the two of you -- for that matter try not to use four. Remember that 3RR is a wall, not an entitlement to a certain number of reverts. --Selket 06:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Digwuren 06:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well. However, I removed tag from the article first and then asked for explanation on the talk page - after that I saw that my-non-sockpuppet Digwuren was blocked for 3RR. Looking at article history I saw edit war between him and Petri Krohn - with Petri having 4 reverts as well and Petri adding {{totallydisputed}} tag repeatedly without any explanations (which imo are most definitely always required. Would be nice to have some wikirule about that). Since I saw his reporting Digwuren for 3RR after he had done the same as rather unjust, I decided to report him. DLX 07:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

About "there should be a rule": my understanding has been that adding a "deniability" tag such as {{totallydisputed}} or {{npov}} repeatedly without explanation counts as vandalism of the tag abuse kind, as explained at Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#Types of Vandalism. It's even obvious for somebody not familiar with the particulars of the article, as required by general vandalism rules, so it should not count towards 3RR. Unfortunately, the admins did not agree with my theory, so further wikilobbying will be needed to increase success rates of future wikilawyering on this topic. Digwuren 04:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Can't access wikipedia

When you say you can't access wikipedia from that IP, do you mean you are blocked from editing or that you cannot access it at all? --Selket 18:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at all - I was able to access www.wikipedia.org, but not en.wikipedia.org or et.wikipedia.org. Pinging just gave me:

C:\Documents and Settings\Sander>ping en.wikipedia.org

Pinging rr.knams.wikimedia.org with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 145.97.39.155:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss)

Same happened starting ~17:00 (4.5h ago) from my work. DLX 18:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... that is almost certainly nothing intentional on Misplaced Pages's end. You might want to contact the network group. --Selket 19:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Asked co-worker to do tracert en.wikipedia.org (we are all connecting through the same proxy - which is the external address, obviously). Showing from 7th jump, nothing interesting before that:

7 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms noe-bb2-ae-0-0.ee.estpak.ee
8 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms hls-b3-link.telia.net
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms s-b3-link.telia.net
11 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms cable-wireless-118901-s-b3.telia.net
12 41 ms 40 ms 40 ms so-5-2-0-dcr2.amd.cw.net
13 40 ms 41 ms 41 ms so-5-0-0-bcr1.amd.cw.net
14 42 ms 41 ms 43 ms surfnet2.amd.cw.net
15 44 ms 45 ms 44 ms v1-13-1-1601.xsr01.amsterdam1a.surf.net
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

Want to bet that if our external IP changes, we could access WP normally again - same as it was for myself at home? I have my suspicions, but as I cannot prove anything, so just more conspiracy theories again... DLX 23:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Undelete

The undelete has been done; as for now, we've got the whole history of the original article, but not the talk page. Should I request the talk page, too? (I kind of expected its restoration to be automatic, and I remember there were useful source links in there.) Furthermore, do you want the article to be moved into your userspace, to replace the backup copy?

I guess we shouldn't be using the article's talk page until we're sure we don't want the old talk page restored. Digwuren 04:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure... those talk page links would be nice to have, but nothing irreplaceable. Otherwise, talk page was pretty worthless, just "It is sooooo POV" trolling. And I think that article can stay to your userspace, but rename it there - we'll start editing it in your userspace. DLX 08:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I already did, to User:Digwuren/Denial of Soviet crimes (undeleted). If this becomes authoritative, I'll remove the extra qualifier, though.

I'll also move for undeletion of the talk page. Digwuren 08:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Eesti Iseseisvuspartei

• The Eesti Iseseisvuspartei is still in action. Look at the page.--62.65.212.9 08:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

That may be so, but the text you added was not suitable for wikipedia. DLX 08:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Estland

Please stop! What you are doing is vandalism. (, , )-- Petri Krohn 10:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not. Note that AfD was closed, because Digwuren said "I, the original nominator, have converted the article Estland into a disambiguation page, and thus repurposed it into a useful article according to consensus. Consequently, I hereby withdraw the nomination for deletion.". Older version of Estland that you are trying to restore, is invalid unsourced stub - much better to have disamb. page there. If you want, expand articles Danish Estonia, Principality of Estland, Swedish Estonia, Revel Governorate. Like you said yourself in AfD, "It is extermely difficult to find on-line references to what Estimaa was called in the English language before 1900. Most likely it did not have a name at all, but was referd to by its German (or Russian) name. Also, there do not seem to be much pre-1900 English literature on Estonia, all the references listed in the EB 1911 article are in German, using the name Esthland.". So, an article about Estland clearly should have mentioned that it is an German/Danish/etc name for Estonia and then mentioned it as an area - which current version does, both. Trying to pass current Northern Estonia as Estland is clearly both POV and OR, so please stop that.

As for Eestimaa - like it was stated in AfD by Digwuren, "Estonian "Eestimaa" does not refer only to that North-Estonia administrative unit. Its is still actively used today like "Eestimaa Rahvaliit"="Estonian people's Union", "Eestimaa looduse fond"="Estonian fund for nature" etc. and always Eestimaa=Eesti(Estonia)". There is no one, who would say Eestimaa and mean non-existing administrative unit - Eestimaa is considered to be synonym for Eesti. However, Eestimaa kubermang would mean Revel Governorate. That way it has been for more then a century, see poem by Lydia Koidula, who was born what you would consider Livonia in 1843:

Mu isamaa on minu arm

   Mu isamaa on minu arm,
   kel südant andnud ma,
   sull' laulan ma, mu ülem õnn,
   me õitsev Eestimaa!
   Su valu südames mul keeb,
   su õnn ja rõõm mind rõõmsaks teeb,
   mu isamaa!
   Mu isamaa on minu arm,
   ei teda jäta ma,
   ja peaksin sada surma ma
   seepärast surema!
   Kas laimab võõra kadedus,
   sa siiski elad südames,
   mu isamaa!
   Mu isamaa on minu arm
   ja tahan puhata,
   su rüppe heidan unele,
   mu püha Eestimaa!
   Su linnud und mull' laulavad,
   mu põrmust lilled õitsevad,
   mu isamaa!

(from ).

You can clearly see that she uses motherland/fatherland (isamaa) and Eestimaa interchangeably. DLX 11:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, please see Renata's comment to the AfD, I suspect you missed it: . DLX 11:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't point out 'Eestimaa Looduse Fond' and 'Eestimaa Rahvaliit', Staberinde did. But I fully support him in this. Digwuren 11:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad.. was skimming the AfD for quote that I wanted, didn't look at the author. DLX 12:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello DLX

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Please do not delete content from wikipedia without citing the WP(WikipediaPolicy), that you used to determine that the content was inappropriate. I am specifically refering to your recent edit on the "website development" article, where you removed a link to an article on "website development". Please dont be disheartened by this comment, I reviewed some of your edits in wikipedia recently and I can see that you have done some very nice work. Thank you.Amitsoni9999 08:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Please add your comments to the bottom of the page, in top you can see '+' sign that automates adding new section to the bottom. I moved it down now.

As for the link, it is to a blog entry, not article - and as for blogs, see WP:V#Self-published sources (online and paper). Also, I think that it is your own blog - and therefore adding it as "See also/External links" source to Misplaced Pages is inappropriate. DLX 08:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

_update I seem to be right about the blog belonging to you:

   Registrant :
   Name: Amit Soni
   Organization: Fortune Space
   Address: 192, Surya Niketan, Vikas Marg Ext., Delhi -110092
   City: Delhi
   State: DE
   Postal Code: 110092
   Country: IN
   Phone: +91.9101121

DLX 08:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Religion and mythology

Hello. I notice that you recently reverted an edit I made to the "religion and mythology" section of the mythology article. Please see my concerns on the article's talk page. (I was in a middle of another edit when you reverted my previous edit, so my new edit caused an edit conflict in which I re-introduced the stuff that you reverted. If you really feel strongly about this, then feel free to revert my edits again. But please see the talk page first.) Thanks! --Phatius McBluff 20:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello - your edits were unsourced and used external link format (like this) instead of regular intrawiki (or wiki-link) format (like this). Please use intrawiki links whenever referring to Misplaced Pages articles - and also, always cite your sources (see also verifiability). As for the mythology article, I agree with you that it needs a thorough cleanup and at least partial rewrite. DLX 07:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Notice

As you got also added there I think you should know about this.--Staberinde 10:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, but I already know about it. Good for laugh - especially that one where BFF doesn't get Lord Voldemort reference/joke. DLX 11:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:RUReady2Testify

Thanks. --John 19:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome, but I am not sure it was any help. He replied - and I left another message to him as well . We can only hope for the best... DLX 19:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. I really appreciate your attempts to help this user. Very best wishes, --John 19:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello to John and DLX: I see you two have taken it upon yourselves to chastise me for not following WP rules in adding links to an entry on Estonia. For such a tiny thing as adding links you have both succeeded in making me feel as though I am under attack and have not made me feel welcome in the least. One of you has even criticised my spelling, despite the fact that his grammar is so bad that it is difficult at times to follow what he is saying.

I see here from your user pages that you have both been accused of committing violations far far more serious than adding "controversial links" (my "crime," note that it is not alleged that I altered he text in any way) I note that copyright violations of which John is accused of could actually put Misplaced Pages at financial risk in the form of potential legal liability to the owner of the images he "misappropriated."

My other crime is explaining myself too much on the talk pages. I'm not going to defend this right now, est my defense be a crime itself.

Thanks to you both for your warm welcome. RUReady2Testify 20:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

DLX, I incuded this note to you in John's discussion page. I reproduce it her for your edification and for the benefit of others who may be struggling to deal with your unfounded assertions of superior expertise as well as your inexplicable condescension: Note to DLX: BTW, you direct me to the Occupation museum, thank you very much. But before you make such a presumptuous reccomendation, you should endeavor to find out a little bit about the person you are addressing. I would never dream of reccomending to someone who is contributing to an article on estonia that they should visit a website that they are no doubt already familiar with. Your tip could be either your attempt to hurl an extreme insult or it could be a revelation of extreme ignorance and insensitivity on your part. For now, will take it as the latter. RUReady2Testify 17:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

For some reason that I have yet to discern, DLX has been behaving agressively towards me and my editing. He has also teamed up with user John in this endeavor. I see from his talk page that he has been accused of various violations, including vandalism. At least one of his entries is being considered for deletion. User John, with whom he has joined forces in his project of agressive editiing, has also been accused of some serious violations, including copyright violatinos which could cost WP money.

Does anyone have the time or the patience to tally up DLX's violations into a list, including the outcome of each dispute? RUReady2Testify 17:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. You don't understand, do you? John and me have been very patient with you and assumed good will from you. You reply with accusations and insults. Your edits have been more or less off-topic, and yet you claim to have some "deeper knowledge" then we, therefore giving you the right to edit articles against consensus. In any case, John has asked another admin to review this case (as I recommended this morning). If s/he sees those things that you accuse us of, then we will doubtlessly be warned or punished. If s/he doesn't, then that means we have one more person who agrees with us - ie. more consensus (see also a comment by Alexia Death). That is how Misplaced Pages works - when it comes to controversial edits, we try to reach a consensus.

If you feel that you have been slighted, please report John and me to WP:AN/I.

DLX 17:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. You forgot to sign in, here - and by two different utilities, you are based in Washington, USA (, ). DLX 17:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

That is interesting. I have asked for input at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents if you are interested. --John 18:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Very good, thank you. DLX 18:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

AlexiaDeath, thank you very much for your kind words of advice. Others here, namely John and DLX, could learn from your approach. I never would have thought that adding a couple of links would have been the subject of such controversy. But beyond that I never thought that another editor, let alone two such editors, would be so uncivilized in pointing this out.

To DLX: Sigh. This "comment" is uncivil and inappropriate. Since English is not your first language, you are forgiven for now. However, as you have made such noises more than once, I must demand that you follow WP rules and general norms of civilized behavior. Please do not address me in this manner.

Further, your message contains assertions that are simply untrue. You and John did not attempt to work with me. You and John started off in an extremely aggressive posture. You and John gave inadequate, summary "explanations" of your "reasons" for deleting my work, and then directed me to the very rules that you violated. (Here is some of your own (the two of you are treated as one hostile team, but this was John's, actually) advice that you should heed: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.")

Other items: Yes, I am in Washington, D.C. USA. I will be atending the dedication of the Victims of Communism Memorial next Tuesday. If anyone else will be in Washinton, please join us.

Related: The exchange between John and DLX in noting that I am in Washinton, D.C, seems carry an undertone of a fraud accusation, so I will add to my earlier comment on that. I never made any claims about who I am or where I am. (Perhaps If I had, I would have run into less trouble. I consider myself to be British-American-Estonian. My Dad is Estonian and my Mom is Irish. My two brothers and I are all named after our great-uncles (brothers of my dad's mother) who were executed by the Soviets for distributing propaganda, among other crimes. My nimikaim (namesake) (and that of one of my two brothers) is on one of the lists on the Occupation Museum web site. I have lived in England, Sweden, and California. I live and work in Washington, D.C., in the areas of law and public policy, though I originally started my college education in engineering and then went to graduate school in philosophy. I would not use my real name, as DLX has suggested he is thinking about doing, because as far as I have been able to determine, I am the only person in the world with my name. (How many Englishmen can say that?!) I try to use American spellings and punctuation in what I do on WP because I write something for publication here (in actual print on paper) every week and I do not want to have to switch back and forth on a regular basis. However, I am quite familiar with British usage and I can convert any written piece from one to the other or make any piece consistently one or the other. I will eventually put all this on my user site when I get a reprieve from defending my addition of two links to the Estonia entry. This description has necessarily just been a random, rambling rant, which is not how I wanted to present myself. I wanted to do a nice page. But I thought it would not hurt to add a couple of links to a story first. I could not have been more wrong. WP's motto should be: "It's all about the fight." meaning the fight between "editors."

BTW, I think the very fact that I have undertaken to explain my views should go a long way on WP discussions and disputes, but it does not seem to. I expected that even if someone disagrees with me, that they would at least appreciate my explaining myself. And perhaps, I thought, if someone disagreed, they too would explain. No such luck. John's impoverished communications to me were no explanations at all ("That's not how it works here." DLX: "Sigh.") and in fact were flat out wrong. See guidelines stating "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it."

John's edits of my works are against consensus.

DLX's edits are against consensus.

In fact, neither even attempted obtain a consensus.

On the original controversy, my edits are not controversial. If someone out there has convinced you that they are, then you need to address that person and set him straight. The mere fact that someone somewher denies that any occupation took place does not then convert that notion into a legitimate topic for discussion where both sides can be debated.

Additionally, your (DLX/John) assessment of the work of others is so cursory and cavalier that your revertsions have reverted errors back into the entry. For example, at the end of the list of links is a link that is out of alphabetical order. I have put it in its proper place at least three times and each time someone has reverted it because they are reflexively reverting all my edits.

Does the consensus rule apply to edits? I believe that it does. Adding and deleting are both editing.

I have to say again that typing "Sigh" (as DLX seems to be in the habit of) as a preface to a communication is a particularly nasty and rude thing and it much more of a salvo than a salutation. Undoubtedly I will get some kind of nasty, uncivil response. It truly appears that these "disputes" are manufactured by DLX and John and are in actuality nothing more than good-old-fashioned turf wars. It certainly seems that these two do not want others editing their work. But what is the rule that John quoted me? I think it translates to: "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." RUReady2Testify 21:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

DLX: Thank you for your technical help on the Jane Grigson entry. I hope this is an offer to get along. If so, I accept. RUReady2Testify 16:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

et-Wiki

Hi! I don't know if you have an account in Estonian Misplaced Pages, but if you have, could you please change et:Priozjorski_rajoon to Priozerski rajoon and all the mentions of Priozjorsk there to Priozersk. There is no ё in these words. Colchicum 16:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Done: et:Priozerski rajoon. Are others on et:Leningradi oblast correct? DLX 16:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA

Please refrain from personal attacks in the future. If I see you at it again, they will be removed per WP:RPA. Thank you. --Ghirla 08:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I have reviewed the difference you provided, and see no personal attack in it. I suspect that you, Ghirlandajo, are engaging in vote suppression, by making bogus accusations in hope to scare away an editor you disagree with ideologically. As a form of harassment, it is against Misplaced Pages policy, and you must stop. Digwuren 09:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

See also User talk:Alexia Death#AfD process. Digwuren 09:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Accusation not worthy of any further comments or replies. DLX 10:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Bot

Hi! Do you know about User:AlexNewArtBot/EstoniaSearchResult? Colchicum 16:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello - yes, I do, search results are in my watchlist as well.

Thank you for expanding and creating several Estonia-related articles - especially because of the recent events here in Misplaced Pages, several Estonian editors (including myself) are no longer as active as we used to be - or we are just forced to battle Estonia-haters, instead of actually contributing to articles. Some Estonian editors have even left Misplaced Pages... just tired of endless "nazi" and "holocaust denial" accusations & Soviet-POV pushing. So, it is incredibly nice to see someone creating and expanding Estonia-related articles - and contributions being well sourced and NPOV. It is funny, how some editors are now attacking you because of that as well...

In any case, thank you once more. You have given me and other editors hope, that Misplaced Pages can stay what it started out to be, not just a battleground to re-play WWII.

DLX 17:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagging Estonia-related subjects

Leaving here this message myself just in case...

I am currently mass-tagging subjects related to Estonia, adding them to WikiProject Estonia. I wrote a small script to help me with that, available at User:DLX/tagwpe.js, which is in testing stage at the moment. You can add it to your scripts in the usual way, ie. adding importScript('User:DLX/tagwpe.js'); to your monobook.js. You will need also TWINKLE - and therefore, it will work only in Mozilla Firefox. Please note that this script is not ready for release, so I won't recommend using it as of now. I hope to have it fully tested in a few days, if you want, try it and let me know of any issues or ideas you might have. DLX 09:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I had trouble getting the script working in Firefox (or to be more precise, Iceweasel). Apparently, Firefox does not support leaving off the content parameter of the XMLHttpRequest.send method, even for GET queries. Consequently, I made a copy to User:Digwuren/tagwpe.js and fixed it. Feel free to reuse my changes.

Furthermore, thank you for an excellent example of Misplaced Pages scripting. Digwuren 12:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Good one :)

Just wanted to give you thumbs up on the las edit of the Bronze soldier :) I removed it hoping to spare the world from some russians stupidity disgracing the whole nation but if the want to have it, then this is the best way :)--Alexia Death 17:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. However, I am more interested in what Irpen will do about . I used to have quite a lot of respect for Irpen, but some of his actions and comments have made me... re-think that, I guess. DLX 18:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Amusement

I have attempted to collect and systematise some of the amusing ideas of Petri Krohn into User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn's Story of Estonians. Originally, it was supposed to be just a funny story, but I now think it's best to add references to diffs where he has advocated particular peculiar ideas. The whole Bronze Night Affair is currently uncovered, though.

You're welcome to add new (and old) silly ideas there. It would be a shame to let such a source of amusement to go for waste when there's Uncyclopedia! Digwuren 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Estonia}} + your script

Your script, that adds the {{WikiProject Estonia}} templates is cool. You however managed to add the template to a redirect (see dif). I do not think this is what you intended to do. -- Petri Krohn 01:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I did not intend to tag that page - thank you for reverting. I will see what I can do so it wouldn't tag redirect pages, I hope you don't mind if I test it with the same page? I'll revert all my edits there, of course. DLX 05:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I *think* it should be OK now. DLX 06:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Take a look at Talk:Holocaust trials in Soviet Estonia#Fraudulent edits. Colchicum 12:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Deportations

Hi! Here are the Soviet deportations from Estonia. Colchicum 12:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, picture is needed there. If you know some relevant free picture, please add it. Colchicum 14:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for creating the article. However, only image that I can think of atm is Image:PlaqueMemorizingEstonianGovernment.jpg. I'll try to come up with some more images soon - and work on the article a bit as well. DLX 16:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Petri Krohn's behaviour

Thank you for your interest in topics regarding the Baltic republics and the Soviet occupation. This interests has undoubtedly familiarised you with tactics and behaviour of Petri Krohn.

I have prepared a thorough overview of these tactics, along with references to related Misplaced Pages policy, and posted it to his userpage, requesting that he stop such activities, especially representing private alternative histories on Misplaced Pages as thought they were fact.

Unfortunately, he proceeded to delete the request mere seven minutes later, along with an inflammatory edit summary. I do not believe this to have been a proper reaction.

Please, if that will not be too inconvenient, take a look at the situation, evaluate it, and consider expressing your evaluation in the appropriate manner.

Many thanks, Digwuren 16:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to distance myself from this dispute - but I must admit, Petri's behaviour has been out of line for a long while. His unsourced sovietophile edits are a big problem - I don't think he is as much Baltics-hater (baltophobe?), as a Soviet apologist. When it comes to discussion, then there are harsh accusations of holocaust denial, hate speech and so on - and whenever asked for evidence, he just replies with "do not feed the trolls" or some other insult. And when it comes to constructive discussions... well, he is always right and we, a cabal of Baltic trolls, are not worthy a discussion anyway. I think you might be right about WP:RFC/U or even WP:AC.

Now, to another matter - easier to talk this here. I see that you've had issues with tagwpe.js - by any chance, do you have Firebug loaded? Last version of Firebug has an issue - it starts to break AJAX requests. If that is the case, then just disabling Firebug, loading a page and enabling Firebug will fix this - until it breaks again, usually when debugging, but not always.

DLX 03:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

As for WP:AC -- well, in line with WP:AGF, I'm forced to express optimism that the WP:RFC/U will fulfill its purpose and solve the problem. If not, it will be an obvious following step, indeed -- albeit perhaps not the first following step.

As for tagwpe.js -- no, I do not have Firebug. (I confess: it has been quite a long time since I habitually coded in JavaScript: back then, layers were still a New Cool Technology That Regularly Broke the Browser.) However, I managed to get the script to work by merely adding explicit empty content literals to the GET request invocations. (Well, I did some reformatting, too, to better understand the issue, but that's besides the point.)

Hmm, that is weird... those empty literals should not be needed. In any case, I wrote some other minot WPE tools as well, will clean them up a bit & test, then release as one toolset. DLX 05:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

You might like to know that there is now an official work being done twoards RFC at User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn. If you have something to add, please do. Every diff helps.--Alexia Death 13:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Occupation of Baltic states

Just to let you know the mediator is now asking for sources to be listed in the format he requires. Martintg 20:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you - and you've done a very good job with adding those articles/sources already. DLX 05:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFC/U on Petri Krohn filed

You might be interested to know that Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn has been filed. Digwuren 20:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

WWII and other wider scope articles

Should we mark these kind of articles like World War II under WikiProject Estonia? They have high importance to Estonia, but have quite big scope.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suva (talk • contribs).

I am unsure on this. Digwuren has been tagging some of them. Perhaps you should ask about this in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Estonia talk page? DLX 11:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

No Article on Estonian Beer

Hi DLX; There is no entry on Estonian Beer, although there are at least two places with red links that would link to such an entry. I mention this to you because you seem to be working on the Estonian project.

Under Beers of the world, there is a short entry for "Estonian and Finland" jointly:

Estonia and Finland Main articles: Estonian beer and Finnish beer Both of these countries are known for their traditional juniper beers. In Finland, this is known as Sahti and in Estonia it is called Koduõlu ("home beer"). This beer is made from rye or oat malts that are filtered through straw and juniper twigs. According to beerhunter Michael Jackson, it is by far the oldest continuous living tradition of beer making, representing nothing less than a direct link with Babylonian beer-making methods.

RUReady2Testify 16:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh... thank you for pointing this out, it is an excellent idea for the article... as for koduõlu, then I've made that myself as well. It may be a bit problematic to find good sources on Estonian beer, I don't have Jackson's book myself - but I will definitely add the article to my to-do list. I will be on vacation for the next week and I am not sure I have time to edit Misplaced Pages much - but at least I'll make some images to accompany the article ;). DLX 06:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

On calling people trolls

Just a reminder that, regardless of how riled up you get, it's not a good idea to call people trolls. In other words, if you're being called names, try to remain above that particular fray. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry... I just blew my top, seeing how fraudulent and flawed his outside view was. And I am deeply sick of Ghirla's repeated and direct accusations of trolling - and Petri's. I did not actually call him troll, though - although perhaps I should have. DLX 07:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought the situation was, yes. I'm watching that RfC closely at the moment, so anyone overstepping the mark will certainly be noticed. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I needed that warning, actually. Perhaps it is best that I'll take a short wiki-break... especially since my vacation did start today. DLX 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)