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LouisAragon, if you can 'find a plethore of sources that dismiss the "broadening of education and healthcare" stuff', why have you not done so? If you disbelieve that the broadening of education and healthcare 'is a IRI project, and not a continuation of the Shah's policies', why have you not challenged this with evidence to the contrary? There ought to be a mention of the Revolution's effect on domestic policy in the lead, and a one-sentence summary of a section of the main text is hardly burdening the lead with excessive text. Stara Marusya (talk) 07:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
The two sources didn't support that statement anyways . It was also quite vague, as it claimed this alleged "success" occurred "in recent years", yet the two cited sources were from 1994 and 2008, that's certainly not recent. The second source ironically didn't even talk about improvements under the IR, but the opposite, such as women "using their appearance and sexuality to fight the regime" and "Prospects for young people are not good and many graduates are lucky to get jobs as taxi drivers." --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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Support lowercase per n-grams, which shows that it was majority lowercase when the article was created capped in 2003, and there's a minor trend to more capping since then, likely affected by WP, but not approaching a strong majority or the MOS:CAPS criterion of "consistently capitalized" in reliable sources. Dicklyon (talk) 04:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
A light apparent majority, caused by not weeding out title-case headlines, is not our standard. Consistently capitalized in independent RS is out standard. You know this. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 20:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment per MOS:CAPS: "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Misplaced Pages ." Ngrams tend to over-report capitalisation since they do not distinguish things like headings, captions or the titles of works in citations that normally use title case. Allowing for this, we see a slight majority for the capitalised form but not a substantial majority required by MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Support per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS. This is not consistently capitalized in independent reliable sources. Here's a better N-gram which should reduce some (not all) inclusion of title-case headlines, constrained to pertinent date ranges. It notably shows that "Iranian revolution" was overwhelmingly preferred until after WP had an article on the subject using "Iranian Revolution", so the present lean toward capital R is clearly a case of citogenesis. And it doesn't constitute consistent capitalization in independent RS anyway. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 20:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Support—SnowFire, please read MOSCAPS. There would have to be an overwhelming majority of cap usage: this is not the case. GoodDay, this is not a forum for vague recollections. Tony(talk)01:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
No, the majority of conflict articles not have the descriptive term (revolution, war, battle, offensive, rebellion, uprising, etc., etc.) capitalized. You've just cherry-picked a tiny handful that happen to pass the "are consistently capitalized in independent reliable sources" test. You have fundamentally misunderstood WP:CONSISTENT. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 07:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:CONSISTENT refers to patterns of naming. It invokes WP:TITLECON which explains that it refers to documented topic-specific conventions on article titles. WP:LOWERCASE (also part of WP:AT) tells use to use sentence case for article titles. There is nothing at WP:AT to suggest there are exceptions to this instruction. Invoking WP:CONSISTENT to suggest revolution should be capitalised in this article title misrepresents the spitit and intent of WP:AT and WP:CONSISTENT, in particular. However, even if this interpretation were given credence, there are articles where revolution is capitalised (because it is consistently capitalised in sources) and others, where it is lowercase. In short, there is no consistant capitalisation of revolution with which to be consistent. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT as Ham II indicated above. I don't find the list he provided "cherry picked" because they specifically include the term "revolution," like this article does. (And if there are articles on national revolutions where we don't capitalize the term, as SmC and Cinderella seem to suggest, please show them.) ~~ Jessintime (talk) 18:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Note that four of the five mentioned are entirely the work of Dicklyon, Cinderella, and SMcCandlish (one even without a formal RM), and all five are from after mid-2023. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
To quote SnowFire in the RM to capitalse Siamese revolution of 1688 on an argument of consistency (see here), As I've said before, this is an invalid rationale. There is zero expectation that capitalization of the word "revolution" be consistent across all articles, nor should there be; Misplaced Pages should follow the capitalization used in the sources.Cinderella157 (talk) 00:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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