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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep - clearly notable, weak and lazy nomination. Nearly 100 appearances in the Dutch professional leagues, plenty of sources out there such as this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this, all from a very quick Google search - scope for expansion via Dutch Misplaced Pages. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 21:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Spam all the routine transfer/injury/suspension coverage you can find but Jallo still fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 12:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. While transfer/injury/suspension coverage do not automatically confer notability, there is sufficient SIGCOV here in RS for the WP:GNG. Nom, please do not nominate footballers who have played so many professional games! gidonb (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- The number of professional games is not relevant. Where is the evidence of SIGCOV you are referring too? I have not seen any sources which satisfy WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 07:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Your standards seem different from other Wikipedians. Please also make note of this. More AfDs is usually not better. gidonb (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- How so? The standards are clear. Simione001 (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- See also below. gidonb (talk) 10:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- How so? The standards are clear. Simione001 (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Your standards seem different from other Wikipedians. Please also make note of this. More AfDs is usually not better. gidonb (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep It's has been proven there are multiple online sources, although weak in nature, they do build a picture when combined. Govvy (talk) 08:44, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Really? I haven't seen anyway. The picture is of poor quality. Simione001 (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. 1 has two sentences of primary coverage about how Jallo "changed his mind" about "scolding" a referee N. 2 is two sentences on the same event plus video and interview N. 3, 5, 7, 9 are pure routine transactional coverage N. 4 is pure routine transfer coverage + quotes from his coach and him N. 6 is almost entirely quotes from Jallo N. 8 has one sentence of injury updates on him N. 10 is a routine, trivial suspension announcement N. 11 is a pseudonymously-published transactional blurb that has all of this to say about Jallo:
Due to injuries, La'Vere Corbin-Ong and Joey Groenbast are currently unavailable at Go Ahead, which means the club is urgently looking for a new left back. This could possibly be Gaby Jallo. The former player of FC Twente, Heracles Almelo, Willem II and FC Emmen is currently on trial in Deventer. The defender is transfer-free.
N. Literally nothing approaching SIGCOV, which is required for sports bios.
- Delete. 1 has two sentences of primary coverage about how Jallo "changed his mind" about "scolding" a referee N. 2 is two sentences on the same event plus video and interview N. 3, 5, 7, 9 are pure routine transactional coverage N. 4 is pure routine transfer coverage + quotes from his coach and him N. 6 is almost entirely quotes from Jallo N. 8 has one sentence of injury updates on him N. 10 is a routine, trivial suspension announcement N. 11 is a pseudonymously-published transactional blurb that has all of this to say about Jallo:
- JoelleJay (talk) 02:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of independent WP:SIGCOV. There are no guidelines saying an athlete is notable simply for appearing in a certain number of matches. Concur with the source analysis provided by JoelleJay. User:Let'srun 17:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz 22:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)- Delete Upon evaluating the sources presented, it is clear that the subject, Jallo, does not meet the general notability guideline (WP:GNG). The sources provided fail to offer significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) and do not establish the subject's notability independently (WP:INDY). The majority of the sources are routine coverage of sports transactions, which do not contribute to notability as per WP:ROUTINE. The lack of in-depth coverage from reliable secondary sources (WP:SECONDARY) that are independent of the subject further undermines the case for notability.
- As @JoelleJay mentioned, I don't think the mere number of appearances in professional games is not a standalone criterion for notability under Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines for sports figures WP:NSPORTS. Notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources that goes beyond mere statistics and databases. The current sources do not provide the substantive and detailed coverage required to satisfy WP:GNG.
- In accordance with Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability WP:V and the avoidance of original research WP:NOR, an article must demonstrate notability and information based on reliable, published sources. The references cited for Jallo do not meet these standards. Therefore, I think this article should be deleted as it stands – with possibility of re-creation should future coverage or WP:RS establish the subject's notability unequivocally. PD Slessor (talk) 00:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)