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Canada

Please see my reply to your comment on the talk page. Lexicon (talk) 19:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to commend you, Tdadamemd, as I suspect you achieved exactly what you set out to do in the first place. — Dorvaq (talk) 13:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I hope it is evident that my pursuit is toward Truth. It is clear to me on the Talk page others who share that goal, whether or not we are in agreement in our limited perspective of Truth. — Tdadamemd 22:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Further Canada talk

I'm going to continue this here because I like to argue, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the article Canada any longer, and therefore does not belong on that talk page.

You wrote:

We are in total agreement that Canada is not a part of the UK and that the UK is not a part of Canada. They have become two separate and distinct countries. And certainly, the Queen does not equal the United Kingdom. I was not saying that Canada is united with the UK. The point was that, while most all measures toward independence have been gained by Canada, there remains the one vestige of a bond in having the same person as Queen.

You said before that there is no such thing as partial independence--it either exists, or it doesn't. Now you're saying that Canada is not a part of the UK, but if it does not have independence, then by your own reasoning, it is, in fact, part of the UK. Unless, as you are maybe coming to a realization, the Queen is, as you have agreed above, not equal to the United Kingdom, so if Canada is "not independent", then that lack of independence would be to the Queen and only the Queen. Now, I'm sure you'll agree that simply having a sovereign does not make a country non-independent, otherwise a good number of countries would lack independence; the United Kingdom itself, Japan, Sweden, Thailand, Saudi Arabia...
So, let's go over this again:
  • A nation cannot be partially independent (I'll say agreed although independence really does go on a continuum)
  • Canada is not part of the UK (agreed)
  • The Queen is not the United Kingdom (agreed)
  • Being a monarchy does not equal lack of independence (I'm going to assume you agree)
But Canada is not independent. Lexicon (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that this discussion has everything to do with the Canada article. Please feel free to move your response back there (as I will post my reply there).

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Newton's second law

I see that you have attempted to clarify the derivation of the Second Law on the Force page. The question of whether F=ma is a "simplified" form of the law has been debated at length on the talk page of Newton's Laws of Motion. See here and here.

In classical mechanics, where there are no relativistic effects, the Law only applies to systems of constant mass (see here, so it is redundant and misleading to include the derivative of mass on the right side of the equation. This tends to cause people to erroneously think that is applies to varying-mass systems like rockets.

However, if you believe the Force article should include a discussion of relativistic effects, then it is valid to include the derivative of mass on the right side. If so, then I think we need to expand that section to explain this distinction. MarcusMaximus (talk) 01:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Franklin Chang-Diaz. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. The reference you used did not state what you suggested. -MBK004 23:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to STS-51. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. -MBK004 23:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Readded with reference (found in one minute's worth of googling). I really don't think that threats are necessary toward Wikipedians who are obviously striving to improve the site. It's like chastising someone for adding hearty potatoes to Stone Soup just because you don't know what field the potatoes were grown in. And no person can be blocked from Misplaced Pages. Anyone who wants to contribute can do so easily. As for your criticism about the "unreferenced synthesis" regarding Chang Diaz and Jerry Ross, it is a very simple calculation from ubiquitous data: 2 shuttles blew up in the period when they flew 7 missions. Hardly anything that I would call Original Research or Unverifiable.Tdadamemd (talk) 18:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing that for me, MBK, and helping lift my veil of ignorance on Misplaced Pages functionality. -Tdadamemd (talk) 16:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Apollo 13

Hi! Would you mind checking the Apollo 13 talk page? I disagree with the assertion "There was no explosion." Details on the talk page. Thanks. Yopienso (talk) 07:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I just posted my reply. See ya back over there.--Tdadamemd (talk) 10:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I certainly do appreciate your friendly attitude! I hope I wasn't too sharp; my intention was to be brief.

  • Yes, I'm interested in what you meant by saying the LM landed on the Moon.
  • Also, what does this mean? "I am not aware of any major difference that was observed in the Apollo 13 Service Module with its blown panel versus the blown-panel Service Modules of Apollos 15, 16 or 17." I'm reading it in the light of these and similar reports:

The Damage to the Service Module The Apollo 13 malfunction was caused by an explosion and rupture of oxygen tank number 2 in the service module about 56 hours into the mission. The explosion also ruptured a line or damaged a valve in oxygen tank number 1, causing it to lose oxygen rapidly. Within about 3 hours, all oxygen stores were lost, along with water, electrical power, and use of the service module propulsion system. Visual assessment of the damage could not be made until the end of the mission, when the service module was jettisoned in preparation to reentry. Then it could be seen that the cover of service module bay number 4 had blown off and the equipment inside was badly mangled. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_13/return/

"'There's one whole side of that spacecraft missing,' said Lovell in astonishment. About five hours before splashdown the service module was jettisoned in a manner that would permit the astronauts to assess its condition. Until then, nobody realized the extent of the damage." http://history.nasa.gov/SP-350/ch-13-2.html

  • It wasn't an oversight or laziness that I left "rupture" in the first sentence of the article: there was a rupture, of the mechanically explosive variety that crippled the craft, endangered the astronauts' lives, and caused them to abort their mission. My objection was to your near total elimination of the words explode and explosion and to the assertion that there was no such explosion. Today (It's still the 13th in my time zone) being the 40th anniversary, this was all over the news, and was consistently called an explosion by thoroughly reliable resources. This one is particularly valuable: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0413.html#article

"Flight controllers were still not sure what happened to cause the massive oxygen leak in the command ship. Was it a meteoroid strike? Or some jarring explosion on board?

"Something happened, and it was a very violent thing," James A. McDivitt, a former astronaut and current spacecraft manager, said. "But as far as what exactly happened, I have no idea."

  • I have not been to Usenet, nor had any idea you had.
  • I recognize that you have, in good faith, not inserted your opinions into the article. Your assertion that there was no explosion, however, seems to be colored by your opinion that the story was deliberately misconstrued. At Misplaced Pages we can't rewrite history or even correct someone else's rewriting unless we have reliable third party sources that verify what we write. The fact that the Cortright Report doesn't use the word explosion does not equate to your assertion that there was none. It's incumbent upon you to find a reliable source that specifically makes that point. I doubt there is one since it seems certain that there was, in fact, an explosion. Or two. Or three. (O2 tank #1 and He tank.)

I wish all WP editors were as pleasant to work with as you are! Best wishes, Yopienso (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I too am glad to have had the discussion with Wikipedians here being so civil and rational. Very refreshing! Now I will dive back into it to hopefully tie up loose ends and clarify any misunderstandings. After this exchange here, I would like to step back into an observer role for an extended period. My view is that the points I've made have been heavily explained, and that continuing to engage in debate would be effort toward diminishing returns (particularly if anyone sees me to be pursuing my own private agenda for whatever reason). Ok...
We are in total agreement that there is an abundance of reliable sources who say unequivocally that it was an explosion. But let's be clear that 'reliable' is not a synonym for 'infallible'. (A year ago, Toyota was seen as a reliable car maker. After a more complete understanding of the facts today, not so much.) Given all these people accepted as space experts who say that Apollo 13 exploded, I see it as a mistake to take their word on blind faith. Often, it is simple logical reasoning that can reveal gaping holes in stories they tell. Consider all the space experts who show that photo of the Service Module with the panel missing, offering it as "proof" that there was "extensive damage from the explosion". That photo link I posted was in direct response to your statement, "...just look at the black and white photo of the damaged service module in our article--it clearly shows the rupture was no simple slit that leaked gas; it was a crippling explosion."
My rebuttal was to show a CSM with a blown panel from the Apollo 15 mission. Blowing the panel on that mission was a planned event. And the mission was a huge success. Same for 16 and 17. All three successful missions had blown SM panels. So quite obviously, the mere fact of a blown panel cannot stand as proof that "it was a crippling explosion". In Apollo 13's case, the Service Module photos have been thoroughly examined in great detail. I have yet to see anyone point out visible damage beyond the fact that the large panel was missing. So until someone points out visible damage to SM systems, those photos merely stand as proof that the panel was blown. As for your conclusion that the photo "clearly shows the rupture was no simple slit that leaked gas; it was a crippling explosion", I'd suggest that it is important to check our experience base in vacuum physics. The external surface of that panel has a total of ZERO force pushing it in to the spacecraft. With an expulsion of oxygen into that bay, it doesn't take much pressure to total a very large force pushing that panel out. It does not require an explosion to blow the panel off. Far from it.
I hope this clears up what I was trying to say. And I'd also like to clear up my fundamental position on this, since it appears that we have a huge misunderstanding given your statement above:
"Your assertion that there was no explosion, however, seems to be colored by your opinion that the story was deliberately misconstrued."
Let's be clear that I am not originating an assertion that there was no explosion. What I have done is taken a highlighter to official NASA reports (source documents) and pointed out how THEY go through great lengths of hundreds of pages and are extremely consistent in how they describe the incident well short of concluding that the tank exploded. That goes for the Mission Control report, involving Flight Directors and many Flight Controllers, as well as the Cortright Panel that reported on their review of the MSC investigation. I have not found a single place where those reports describe the incident as an explosion (or explosive or exploded, etc). This is the most thoroughly researched, detailed information we have on the event. And in those hundreds of pages, not only do they not say it exploded, but they go through extreme detail in explaining the mechanisms that are specifically designed to prevent an explosion. This is analyzed from the design stage up through actual flight data that indicates that the pressure relief valve and rupture disc worked as designed, at the pressure level they were specified to work at.
"At Misplaced Pages we can't rewrite history or even correct someone else's rewriting unless we have reliable third party sources that verify what we write. The fact that the Cortright Report doesn't use the word explosion does not equate to your assertion that there was none. It's incumbent upon you to find a reliable source that specifically makes that point."
We are agreed with your first statement here. But what we have is a situation where two very different stories have been told. First, in the official reports it says one thing, then the same people involved with writing those reports end up saying a different thing. So my big edit was not me rewriting history. It was me restoring history to the version told in the original report. As far as being incumbent, I've gone through great lengths in pointing out where the Cortright Report details how the rupture was 'a fizzle' (my paraphrase).
- There's the design review section where it explains the great lengths taken to prevent an explosion.
- There's the ground test certification data from PV1, PV2, PV3 and PV4.
- There's the flight data that indicates how the pressure relief valve and rupture disc worked as designed, precisely when they were specified to function.
- There's the post-mission recreation performed by the investigation team where they tested flight hardware in as similar a situation as they could match.
That's four levels of proof that the Odyssey O2 Tank 2 did not explode. I am amazed that anyone would not find that sufficient. The Review Board went through an astounding level of detail in their report.
Now to address the second half of your statement in the prior quote, I want to clear up any perception that my firm position is that the story was deliberately misconstrued. I remember having stated that it is clear to me that the story at the time of the report was one thing (holding well short of a conclusion that it was an explosion) and the story today is another thing (prolific use of the word 'explosion'). How and why the story changed, I still see as a missing piece of the puzzle. I may offer speculation that deliberately misconstruing the story is one viable theory. I can think of other possibilities as well. And I've also stated that it would probably be a better approach, so long as the key people are still alive, to hold off on our own speculation and get the recollections straight from them. This would mean doing something like an interview with them, bringing a copy of official reports to the interview, explaining to them that you can't find a single reference in it that says the tank exploded, then pressing them to justify the basis for their belief that the tank exploded.--Tdadamemd (talk) 23:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. A few more comments:

  • What about the LM landing on the Moon?
  • "But let's be clear that 'reliable' is not a synonym for 'infallible'." Yet at Misplaced Pages we must trust the reliable sources. No original research or synthesis allowed. You have not produced one source that says there was no explosion.
  • The panel blown off the Apollo 16 LM when departing the Moon did not affect the craft's integrity and was not the result of an explosion, but of the rigors of lift-off.
  • You don't seem to understand that the explosion on Apollo 13 did not simply blow a panel off. The first exploding tank damaged a second one, and the interior of the SM has been described as "badly mangled," "damaged," "heavily damaged." The SM is described as " crippled." They didn't want to fire the SM engine because they didn't know how extensive the damage was. (Turned out the nozzle may have been distorted.) Captions 5 and 6 in this photo essay clearly describe a significant explosion. http://news.uk.msn.com/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=153011672&page=5
  • I believe you have mistaken the professional restraint in the language of the Cortright Report as presenting a case less disastrous than what occurred. Here's from page 4-28:

"The events between fan turnon at 55:53:20 and the time when the problem was evident to the crew and Mission Control are covered in some detail in Part 4 of this chapter, 'Summary Analysis of the Accident.' It is now clear that oxygen tank no. 2 or its associated tubing lost pressure integrity because of combustion within the tank, and that effects of oxygen escaping from the tank caused the removal of the panel covering bay 4 and a relatively slow leak in oxygen tank no. 1 or its lines or valves. Photos of the SM taken by the crew later in the mission show the panel missing, the fuel cells on the shelf above the oxygen shelf tilted, and the high-gain antenna damaged."

Translated into layman's English, that says there was an explosion in tank 2 that damaged tank 1 or its fittings, blew off the panel, knocked the fuel cells catawampus, and damaged the antenna.

Well, my husband is clamoring for his supper, so I'll sign off now. Best, Yopienso (talk) 02:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

About the LM landing on the Moon, all I was saying was that we have three missions where an SM panel was blown off, and the mission pressed ahead with the Moon landing. Therefore a blown panel, in and of itself, is not proof of crippling damage.
I certainly was not saying that A15/16/17 stand as proof that there was no crippling damage to Apollo 13. My point was to highlight the fallacy of logic in one direction only. The blown panel in Apollo 13 certainly was the result of the tank rupture, but it is totally erroneous to use a photo of that blown panel on A13, by itself, as proof that anything worse happened unless the photo shows evidence of something worse.
Thanks for that page 4-28 quote. I remembered from years back that the photo analysis was not very conclusive. I spent hours today going through the report looking for the results of the photo analysis. I could not find it. But you've provided their observation that "the fuel cells" were "tilted", along with the high-gain damage.
In light of that, I'd say that the A13 SM photos stand as proof that the fuel cells were damaged, the high-gain antenna was damaged, and that the panel was blown off. Since the damage to the fuel cells and antenna were already well known, the biggest info added by the photos is that the panel was blown off. And since this had already been deduced by the loss of performance with the high-gain antenna, the photos simply confirmed what was already known. If the worst thing that the photo analysis was able to conclude was that the fuel cells appeared to be tilted, then your previous quote that "the equipment inside was badly mangled" reads to me as a colorful exaggeration. Yes, we know that systems were damaged. But it was not the photos that gave us that information!
As for producing a source that says there was no explosion...
I have repeatedly cited the Cortright Report. By far the most detailed, the most thoroughly researched report produced on Apollo 13. In my previous reply I summarized how the report spelled out their findings on four separate levels (design review, preflight ground certification, mission flight data, and postflight investigation recreation) where at all four levels they came up way short of concluding that there was an explosion.
About your comment on the "panel blown off the Apollo 16 LM", I have no idea what you're talking about. The only panels

I've been talking about having been blown off are the ones on the Service Module (damage on A13, then planned on A15/16/17).

As for your next bullet regarding the extent of damage, it appears to me that we are in agreement that the tank failure caused crippling damage. I don't recall me ever stating anything to the contrary about Cortright's conclusion that the O2 Tank 2 failure caused the O2 Tank 1 depletion, the SM panel to be blown off, the Fuel Cells to get shocked to failure, and the antenna damage. No disagreement from me on any of that.--Tdadamemd (talk) 07:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
"About your comment on the 'panel blown off the Apollo 16 LM', I have no idea what you're talking about. The only panels I've been talking about having been blown off are the ones on the Service Module (damage on A13, then planned on A15/16/17)."
I don't know what I'm--we're--talking about, either! :p You had mentioned it earlier; when I googled all I could find was the panel on A16's LM. What ARE you talking about? When, why, where were panels removed from A15/16/17's SM? Yopienso (talk) 06:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
All lunar missions that had the rover also had a thing called the Scientific Instrument Module (SIM) built into the SM. To use these instruments as the CSM flew around the Moon, they had to jettison the SM panel to expose the instruments. So there are three missions where blowing a panel off the Service Module was a perfectly normal part of the flight plan.
There was still plenty of concern during Apollo 15, the first time an SM panel was intentionally blown. The crew actually put on their spacesuits because of the perceived risk of cabin depressurization. And there were other serious concerns as well. Here's what the CAPCOM called up to them prior to the event:
"you are Go for SIM door jettison. And we want you to watch the Fuel Cell Reactant valves after the jettison, per the checklist - just a reminder of that."
...followed by this exchange soon after the jettison:
CAPCOM - "And, 15, just out of interest, we saw a good healthy jolt in our Doppler data down here during jett time."
CDR - "Gee, that's very interesting because I would say that the jolt in here was very minor."
Those quotes are from this page in the ALSJ. So all photos you see of the CSM where a panel is gone, but the spacecraft is in the vicinity of the Moon are from one of these last three missions, such as the first photo in the CSM article.
I hope that finally clears up this one point. There are other major points that still need to be cleared up regarding the accurate story on Apollo 13, but those can be delved into some other time.--Tdadamemd (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Tdadmemd. I find that information interesting, and have footnoted our Apollo 15, Outward journey article. It is, however, irrelevant to this article. Comparing the deliberate and planned popping off of a panel designed to be jettisoned with one that was most unexpectedly blown off from the eruptive force of a gas explosion is like comparing blowing or shearing off the roof of a sedan with retracting the top of a convertible. Apples to oranges here: A/13 didn't even have a SIM. Yopienso (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
You may recall that my reason for raising that entire point was in response to this statement you had posted:
"Also, just look at the black and white photo of the damaged service module in our article--it clearly shows the rupture was no simple slit that leaked gas; it was a crippling explosion."
Those Apollo 13 photos prove that the panel had been blown off. A15/16/17 prove that a panel blown off is not in and of itself a crippling event. Similarly, convertibles stand as proof that having no top on your car is not necessarily a crippling event. So if a sedan did, for whatever reason, have its roof blown off, in order for me to become convinced that it was a crippling event, I would need to see stronger evidence than a photo showing that it's roof was gone.
It appears that we are using different brands of logic. I suggest that it would be more productive for the both of us to take a break to examine the validity of our positions, and then we can revisit the discussion after refining our views, perhaps ending up at a synthesis of one anothers' ideas.--Tdadamemd (talk) 04:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes! We agree. The reason the crew was in such dire straights wasn't because a panel was missing, but because the explosion that blew it off caused the loss of so much of their oxygen and power and water. The second paragraph under "Explosion" explains that. Yopienso (talk) 06:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I think you would enjoy reading the Cortright Report to see the conclusions that they came up with after their intense study of the mishap. (Or perhaps you have read it, but you just disagree with their conclusions.)--Tdadamemd (talk) 16:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I've read or at least skimmed Chaps. 4 and 5 of the Cortright Report, which I consider highly reliable. I disagree with nothing. Yopienso (talk) 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Now I am very puzzled. Your argument here from the start was to assert that the O2 tank exploded, but Cortright never published any conclusion of the sort. I've even highlighted the "four levels of proof that the Odyssey O2 Tank 2 did not explode" that was detailed in the report.

If you've read anything in it that you think means one thing, but you suspect might mean something else, I'd be glad to offer my own understanding of what it is saying.--Tdadamemd (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

There's really nothing more for me to say; you seem to have misunderstood the Cortright Report, which makes very clear that there was a crippling explosion aboard Apollo 13. As I've said before, it's a technical report and does not use the lay term, "explosion." It calls it a "loss of tank integrity." Wrt to switches, see p. 5-22--they weren't working right. P. 4-40--solenoid valves were shocked shut, there was a bang, the panel blew off. (Btw--25 psi of pressure are required to remove it. A/15 used explosive cord.) P. 4-43--possible leaking valve. "The failure of oxygen tank no. 2 and consequent removal of the bay 4 panel produced a shock which closed valves in the oxygen supply lines to fuel cells 1 and 3." (p. 4-44) "It was obvious by about l-l/2 hours after the accident that the oxygen tank no. 1 leak could not be stopped..." (p. 4-46) There was no set of valves functioning properly and preventing disaster. No, tank 2 blew up and damaged tank 1 and a bunch of other stuff. P. 5-3: "The rapid expulsion of high-pressure oxygen which followed, possibly augmented by combustion of insulation in the space surrounding the tank, blew off the outer panel to bay 4 of the SM, caused a leak in the high-pressure system of oxygen tank no. i, damaged the high-gain antenna, caused other miscellaneous damage,and aborted the mission." That describes the bursting of the tank, possibly a fire outside the tank, and subsequent damage. Read pp. 5-2 through 5-7 for switch failures and general havoc wrought by the failure, loss of integrity, combustion, (Combustion inside an oxygen tank! Imagine!) explosion, whatever we call it. The craft yawed with the jolt. "The accident is judged to have been nearly catastrophic. Only outstanding performance on the part of the crew, Mission Control, and other members of the team which supported the operations successfully returned the crew to Earth." Yopienso (talk) 08:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for reiterating your position. That is as I had understood it to be. And on that, we can agree to disagree. Catch you later.--Tdadamemd (talk) 04:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Hasta luego and best wishes. :) Yopienso (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Discrepancy Found in Bar Graph on Age of Founding Fathers

I have corrected the data for the graph. Thanks for the info. --Jackl 17:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. I just removed the pointer that I added on to the caption, both in the article and on the .svg image.
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Adolf Hitler

It seems your edit is contested, since it's been reverted, and it's nothing to do with WP:NPOV, but everything to do with WP:V, which trumps NPOV. please feel free to offer citations. Rodhullandemu 23:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Are people really that igorant to think that Hitler's leadership for VW's, the autobahn, jet planes and spacecraft is unverifiable? All anyone had to do was click the hyperlinks to the Misplaced Pages articles to educate themselves. My experience with this topic is that it is common knowledge that people just prefer to suppress, because it is such an emotional topic. And it is when emotion gets in the way of fact when we have an NPOV problem. If anyone actually did have a problem with the verifiability, then they could have spent a few seconds to google etc to find an abundance of references. Well, I've just re-edited the article to include those four plain facts, complete with external references.--Tdadamemd (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus

Hi Tdadamemd, I noticed that you edited the The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus page to refer to the correlation between the band's name and the Camp X-Ray photos. From what I recall, the band members randomly chose their name by selecting random words that they put up on a wall, and were not influenced by the photos. Do you happen to have any references to back up this edit, then? Mattimis (talk) 02:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Bands often avoid saying things that alienate their fan base. This is particularly the case when making a statement against a highly emotional topic that is connected to 9-11. You can speak your mind like the Dixie Chicks did, or present an innocuous story. When I find the reference I will add it, and I've edited the article to add what the band says.--Tdadamemd (talk) 00:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I just added a citation needed thing to the Camp X-Ray photos reference. Please don't take it personally; it's just there as a reminder to find that reference. Please do update the page when you do. Mattimis (talk) 01:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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Ok, I've added copyright info to the file page. I had been under the mistaken impression that I had already taken care of this during file upload when I had specified the 'Permission'.--Tdadamemd (talk) 18:03, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Apollo 13 (2011 effort)

Hi, sorry I missed your discussion on the talk page a couple of weeks ago. Looks like you missed my response today. I've reverted your most recent change. We really must stick to "explode" with the reliable secondary and tertiary sources. The Cortright report is a primary source and not appropriate to use to justify the changes. Please see WP:PSTS. Thanks. Yopienso (talk) 05:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Instead of having a split discussion between the article Talk page and here, I've instead consolidated my reply back there.--Tdadamemd (talk) 06:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I've requested comment here. I've no experience with this; apparently most people ask for comment when they're disgruntled. I assure you I am not, and you give no impression of being so yourself. Thank goodness! This is a step above a request for a third opinion (since Anna Frodesiak stepped in) and below a formal RfC, which seems like an ugly place. :O Best wishes,Yopienso (talk) 01:10, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Again, I think this is an excellent idea. I was not aware that Misplaced Pages had a process for situations like this, nor was I aware of the several Misplaced Pages policies that you've called my attention to. Thank you for pointing all of that out for me. I will keep myself available to answer questions from those who will choose to engage in the process.
As for my reason for stepping back for a solid year, as I remember explaining last year, I see a major factor in this issue to be education. And there are a lot of source documents that those interested can dive into. I've done my best to provide shortcuts in that process by highlighting what I see to be the most important parts from these source documents ...as you have highlighted sources toward the effort to support your view.
Hopefully I've left a complete enough set of those pointers so that I will not need to take an active role in the process. This needs to be an objective process, not my personal crusade. The key facts have been publicly available for decades. The biggest role I can serve is to point those out. I see that contribution to have been thoroughly done during our extensive discussion from last year. Thanks also for giving pointers to that in the Request you've submitted. I'll be very interested to see what comes out of that process. I hope they pick up on Wehwalt's idea to have the article cover both sides.
By the way, I am male. Not that it matters for the discussion, except that it makes the use of pronouns less awkward.--Tdadamemd (talk) 02:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Nothing was happening at the RfC page, so I asked for help and was told to put a tag on the talk page. Best wishes, Yopienso (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. Well I've been continuing research on my end and just yesterday found some very intriguing info. Looks like I will have inputs over at the article. I may hold off for a little while to see if other editors would like to pipe in first.--Tdadamemd (talk) 02:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
OK; I'll be watching as I have time. The template was removed as "expired," so I replaced it. This is the first time I've done this, so maybe I did it wrong. ?? Did you see the most recent comment on the talk page? Yopienso (talk) 03:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
That was the direction that I had hoped the article would go, but my preference was that the push would be coming from a position that was more deeply informed than at the Ron Howard level.--Tdadamemd (talk) 03:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

9/11 Attacks

I have removed your addition as it struck me as largely irrelevant for the article. If you feel it should be added please gain consensus on the talk page. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 01:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that in the big picture it has little relevance. However, I still see it as noteworthy. I will add it to the Talk in case others want to include it in the article.--Tdadamemd (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

IVF

Just a brief hint: your edits are more likely to be longlasting if you attach footnotes to them. This also helps readers to learn more.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I cannot disagree with that. But anyone familiar with IVF knows about this common dilemma. One approach to teamwork editing is for one person to add the info. If this isn't sourced, and the next person sees it to need one, then they tag it with that cliched "citation needed" tag. Then the next person plugs the ref.
...either that, or I as one person working alone could have been more thorough with my addition.
Now in this one article in particular, I was shocked that the info had not previously been incorporated. I have a hunch that there are people who are trying to hide the darker aspects of what is otherwise a joy-filled technology. It will be interesting to see how my less-than-complete input will evolve. You may have noticed that the 'abortion' article had absolutely no mention of IVF over there as well. Curious.--Tdadamemd (talk) 05:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
It sure is a challenging subject to deal with at Misplaced Pages. Best of luck.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
TODAY especially! I just posted a reference that I hope people will find to be informative. Thanks for your feedback.--Tdadamemd (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, I added that reference to the abortion article too, but the entire edit got reverted ...that quickly! Yes, it is very clear that this is a challenging topic.--Tdadamemd (talk) 05:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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hi Tdadamemd. I appreciate you suggesting a possible solution to the deletionist problem, but unfortunately i don't think it would be viable in practice, the reasons being, it would be just one more fork and hence not unique enough to attract interest, google drives traffic to wikipedia anyway, and these things have been tried before and didn't last (remember Includipedia?). The analogy of Misplaced Pages and Nupedia no longer holds, because it pertains to an earlier time when both were very small projects. Misplaced Pages is currently one of the top half dozen or so start up websites that have become monolithic institutions that everyone relies on (others are google, facebook, ebay, paypal, amazon, etc) and this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. So it's a good idea in theory, but, yeah, it looks like we're stuck with the currently wikipedia, for better or worse. I'm involved with a number of other creative projects now anyway, so even if a WikiMemex or something like it were to start up, and avoid the fate of similar past initiatives, I wouldn't have the time or energy to contribute much or anything to it. Thanks for suggesting it anyway. Best regards M Alan Kazlev (talk) 12:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree that such a project would not attract much interest. But then again, it is not intended to. Misplaced Pages is the jewel. Deleted articles would be kept 'on life support' in a vegetative state until such time as the topic became notable. Or perhaps the info might even flourish there. The primary purpose would be a consolation to the author of the deleted article in knowing that the information would not be erased, but maintained as publicly available. I've posted a wealth of info to Misplaced Pages that subsequently got clobbered. I would much rather have that info available somewhere to any seekers. In the past I've reposted to USENET to fulfill this function, but the formatting there is archaic.--Tdadamemd (talk) 07:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

It clearly reads at the top of the page and in red-

STOP! PLEASE DO NOT ADD ITEMS TO THIS LIST THAT DO NOT HAVE A LINKED DEDICATED WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE. THEY WILL BE REVERTED.

In fact if you go here, you'll see it says the same thing twice before you get to the edit section. Your edit to the List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft article has been reverted.- William 01:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You reverted with the rationale "Doesn't have an independent article". But indeed this incident does have its own dedicated Misplaced Pages article. It just happens to be titled under the passenger's name, and this flight is the entire focus of the whole article.
Southwest Airlines Flight 1763 incident re-added.
I understand that WikiCops serve an important role here, but you might want to be more thorough before deciding to revert the edit of a member who is clearly trying to make positive contributions. A more constructive course of action, if indeed the article on SWA1763 did not exist (albeit with redirect) would be to create it. You are aware that a similar cockpit security breach incident happened the very next year - to four airliners simultaneously. I'm astounded to see that anyone would think that the Jonathan Burton story does not belong in this list.--Tdadamemd (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I had re-added, with the link switched to the article on the flight, that redirects to the original article I had linked to. You reverted once again, stating "No redirects. All incidents have independent article." I had already made the point that I was linking to the independent article about this flight incident, yet you're reverting on some arbitrary criteria. If you want independent articles with no redirects, it would be proper to state that in the "linked dedicated Misplaced Pages article" criteria that you yourself have quoted (which I had met in my very first edit, and all subsequent edits).
I've re-added the edit once again, after switching the redirect so that the flight article is primary, and the passenger article is now the one that redirects. And I'll reiterate that you could have made this simple change yourself, that is, if you cared more about the quality of the information being presented in the article rather than simply policing your (arbitrary unstated) rules.
It is clear that you are doing your reverts out of your care about the article's quality. I hope you can see that I am doing my addition out of care for the article's quality as well. The ideal I hope we could strive for is working together toward that common goal, instead of working against each other when we both want the same thing (in the larger picture).--Tdadamemd (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
What you did was not create an article on the crash, but instead copy over the Burton article onto the one for Southwest.
The rules for inclusion in the article aren't arbitrary but a consensus agreed to by the editors of the list. That was done before I ever did a single edit to the page.
What I suggest is you bring this up for discussion at the talk page for the List article. Invite some of the editors who work on the page(Look at its history, I'm not the only editor who works on it), and see if they favor what I did or what you did.- William 21:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
FYI I brought it to the attention of this editor and WP administrator who does alot of work on aviation articles.- William 21:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for taking that last step, William. I trust that a consensus will arrive at the best resolution. Perhaps you yourself will come to agree that this incident belongs in the list. I understand that the criteria were well thought out. I hope my point was clear in that if redirects are not considered to be acceptable, then it would be best to state that in the red note.
And again, this one particular flight incident was a huge standout. It isn't the story of just one passenger who got killed. It's the story of cockpit vulnerability, and if the FAA had taken adequate action in response to what Burton did, they could have mandated strong cockpit doors and actually prevented 9-11.--Tdadamemd (talk) 21:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Latest comments added here.--Tdadamemd (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Just to let you know, the mess has been cleaned up by an administrator now. Thanks for your time. Jared Preston (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the mess. And thanks for your help.--Tdadamemd (talk) 01:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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Nutation

Hi Tdadamemd: (First of all, excuse me by my poor English) About the picture you add on Nutation, it shows the yearly displacement of the tropic line due to a 41,000 year cycle swing movement, one of the Milankovitch cycles. Nutation causes a much larger shift, some years almost 1,000 feet, as I explain in the reverted (by the compulsive reversor Atila rey) edition of 2012-03-27 of the Spanish wiki article Oblicuidad de la eclíptica. In the Spanish Wiki article Nutación, I add an animation showing both, the swing (yellow line) and the nutation (green line) effects in displacement of the tropic lines and polar circles. I got some years ago the picture you add, in order to use it in the Google Earth Community post Trópico en Movimiento. Saludos. Ereenegee (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello. This seems like an excellent discussion to have, and I suggest that the best place to have it would be on the Talk page for Nutation. Your English is better than my Spanish, and I was not able to fully understand what you had posted in the Oblicuidad de la eclíptica article.
I'm not even understanding what you have posted here in your comment above, because if nutation's effect is a much larger shift of almost 1,000 feet in one year, then that should show up in the sign distances in the photo I had added to the article. Perhaps your position on this is that the signs in the photo are not accurate. Whatever the case, I suggest reposting your criticism on that Talk page and then perhaps someone will be able to explain what you are saying so that I will be able to fully understand your points. Thank you for your feedback here.--Tdadamemd (talk) 17:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

New image

Could possibly find a image of the Apollo 9 command module on display. thanx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.224.15 (talk) 18:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

LMGTFY: Google knows lots o'images --Tdadamemd (talk) 08:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.187.13 (talk) 02:54, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

video

Could you possibly find a video of the apollo 13 splashdown. thanx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.224.15 (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ditto the above. Google knows lots of videos --Tdadamemd (talk) 08:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.187.13 (talk) 02:58, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

The whole idea behind "LMGTFY" is to point the way of encouragement for people to take on the internet for themselves and enable everyone to become active netizens. Wikicommons makes the whole upload process fairly painless. You might want to give it a try.--Tdadamemd (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

It's blocked on my computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.181.92 (talk) 19:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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If you take a look at the current http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tau_(2%CF%80) page you will see that I have started a page to make Ratio_of_circumference_to_radius a page. It will take some edits from others for this page to be able to be used. I am torn on editing it and writing a paper on Ramanujan primes. So, feel free to editing it. John W. Nicholson (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks for letting me know. I'm looking forward to seeing that page go live. Actually, to my eye it looks ready to go as it is - a very well written article, with care to make sure that nothing that has not yet been established is being presented as fact. Kudos to you and everyone involved in putting that together!--Tdadamemd (talk) 00:41, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
As I see it, I need someone like you to keep an eye on it. Add their weight for it as it goes live. If you look at the history of the page you will see that I am the only one which has made it. However, I cut, pasted, and edited a lot as to cut the effort in making them. The cuts came from the prior Tau pages and other's tau comments and notes. The spots where I have just a word or two needs a lot more work and I know I can not do it alone. So, as I said before please add your edits.

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Your page looks good to me as is. I was glad to see David Be jump into the Pi Talk discussion. He gave a very strong reason as to why Misplaced Pages needs to have a separate Tau article. I totally agree with your reply in that advocacy needs to step aside so that we can maintain NPOV.--Tdadamemd (talk) 03:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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P.S. Read WP:3RR too... AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:01, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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