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DreamRimmer bot II 3 (T|C|B|F) | Open | 2025-01-17, 12:44:00 | DreamRimmer | 2025-01-17, 12:44:00 | Never edited by BAG | n/a |
Jlwoodbot (T|C|B|F) | Open | 2025-01-13, 03:01:53 | Jlwoodwa | 2025-01-13, 07:01:51 | Never edited by BAG | n/a |
JJPMaster (bot) (T|C|B|F) | Open | 2025-01-02, 22:20:26 | SD0001 | 2025-01-17, 14:08:41 | SD0001 | 2025-01-17, 14:08:41 |
Tom.Bot 8 (T|C|B|F) | On hold | 2024-12-27, 09:33:39 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:25:52 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:25:52 |
RustyBot 2 (T|C|B|F) | On hold | 2024-09-15, 15:17:54 | Rusty Cat | 2025-01-02, 04:19:44 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 14:02:29 |
Bot1058 9 (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2025-01-18, 21:16:24 | SD0001 | 2025-01-18, 22:09:40 | SD0001 | 2025-01-18, 22:09:40 |
C1MM-bot 3 (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2024-12-12, 04:42:12 | MPGuy2824 | 2025-01-10, 05:07:19 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:34:44 |
KiranBOT 14 (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2024-12-26, 23:47:23 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:30:16 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:30:16 |
CFA (bot) (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2024-12-31, 05:00:34 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:24:09 | Primefac | 2025-01-01, 13:24:09 |
CanonNiBot 1 (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2024-12-17, 12:50:01 | Primefac | 2024-12-23, 12:35:47 | Primefac | 2024-12-23, 12:35:47 |
Ow0castBot (T|C|B|F) | In trial | 2024-11-14, 01:51:38 | Usernamekiran | 2024-12-05, 00:18:38 | Primefac | 2024-12-01, 20:39:29 |
KiranBOT 10 (T|C|B|F) | On hold | 2024-09-07, 13:04:48 | Xaosflux | 2025-01-01, 18:01:09 | Xaosflux | 2025-01-01, 18:01:09 |
SodiumBot 2 (T|C|B|F) | In trial: User response needed! | 2024-07-16, 20:03:26 | Sohom Datta | 2025-01-07, 15:24:50 | Primefac | 2024-12-23, 12:44:24 |
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BunnysBot 4 (T|C|B|F) | Extended trial | 2024-12-14, 15:54:28 | Primefac | 2025-01-19, 12:45:09 | Primefac | 2025-01-19, 12:45:09 |
Current requests for approval
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DannyS712 bot 71
Operator: DannyS712 (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 03:52, Monday, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic
Programming language(s): Javascript
Source code available: Not written yet
Function overview: Revert the addition of empty edit requests
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Misplaced Pages:Edit filter noticeboard#Disallow empty edit requests
Edit period(s): Continuous
Estimated number of pages affected: ~10 per day
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): No
Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): Yes
Function details: Discussion on the edit filter noticeboard suggests that there is an ongoing problem of users submitting empty edit requests, despite an abuse filter warning, but that disallowing the edits may be a bit BITEy.
The bot would:
- Check for recent edits that tripped the edit filter (Special:AbuseFilter/987)
- Check if the edit is the most recent to a page
- If it is, revert with an informative summary (if possible, I'd like the bot to be granted
+rollback
to make the reverts easier, with the bot providing an informative summary but not needing to deal with edit conflicts)
Discussion
Personally I don't see how reverting the edit is less bitey than disallowing it (indeed, it seems more annoying to save an edit and have it reverted than just be prevented from making the edit). I'd personally prefer to just set the filter to disallow. Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- it wouldn't be instantaneous, but I get your point. No objections to disallowing, this was just as an alternative (the bot could also then post to a user's talk page with an explanation if that is desired) DannyS712 (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Dumb question: would a request be considered "empty" if it contained a signature? Most empty requests that I see have a signature. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Jonesey95: Yes, having a signature isn't enough. See Special:AbuseFilter/987 for the checks to determine if an edit request is "empty" DannyS712 (talk) 09:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
{{BotOnHold}} The linked discussion is a week old, and there is no consensus that a bot is needed; I read the discussion as trending towards disallowing empty requests from being made in the first place. Primefac (talk) 14:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by operator. The discussion was archived without any consensus, DannyS712 (talk) 10:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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HasteurBot 15
Operator: Hasteur (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 19:55, Sunday, June 7, 2020 (UTC)
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic
Programming language(s): Python
Source code available: Customized pywikipedia "listgenerator" script
Function overview: Apply WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge banner to all talk pages associated with articles listed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Europe/The_10,000_Challenge#Article_achievements and the 1k breakout pages.
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Misplaced Pages:Bot_requests#Challenge_bot
Edit period(s): Daily until the challenge has completed, then perhaps 1x a year (to conduct automated maintenance)
Estimated number of pages affected: Up to 10,000
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): No
Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): Yes
Function details: Using a customized version of listgenerator script from Pywikibot to:
- Open the subindex pages and extract the "titles"of articles "counted" in the challenge
- Grab the Article page and flip over to the talk page
- If the template {{WPEUR10k}} is not present on the page, add it to the top of the page to indicate one of the editing drives that helped it.
Discussion
Tagging BabbaQ as the editor who asked for this at WP:BOTREQ Hasteur (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2020 (UTC) {{BAGAssistanceNeeded}}. I believe this is relatively easy and would hope BAG could move this forward Hasteur (talk) 14:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- {{BotTrial}} Primefac (talk) 23:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Trial complete. 42 pages. @BabbaQ: Your assistance would be appreciated. Hasteur (talk) 02:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Hasteur: It looks good. And trial completed. BabbaQ (talk) 06:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Just out of curiosity, would it make more sense to put the template on its own line? Primefac (talk) 17:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Primefac: I'm happy to add a newline so that the template will be broken out to it's own line. It's a trivial change. Hasteur (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Excellent.
- Approved.. Primefac (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Primefac: I'm happy to add a newline so that the template will be broken out to it's own line. It's a trivial change. Hasteur (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Just out of curiosity, would it make more sense to put the template on its own line? Primefac (talk) 17:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Hasteur: It looks good. And trial completed. BabbaQ (talk) 06:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Trial complete. 42 pages. @BabbaQ: Your assistance would be appreciated. Hasteur (talk) 02:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. To request review of this BRFA, please start a new section at WT:BRFA. The result of the discussion was Request Expired.
DismanetBot
Operator: Eduardo_P._García_del_Valle (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 12:00, Wednesday, April 1, 2020 (UTC)
Function overview: The main purpose of this bot is to fill in missing disease codes (aka medical resources) in disease articles. This involves mainly minor changes in the medical resources box inside the external links section. Examples of these contributions can be found in here. In those articles without a medical resources box, the changes will involve adding the box and filling it with the corresponding information.
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: Supervised: all edits are reviewed soon after being made
Programming language(s): Java, using the JWBF Wiki API Client (https://github.com/eldur/jwbf).
Source code available: Source code available under https://github.com/dismanet/wikibot
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate):
Edit period(s): Currently it is run on manually triggered batches of diseases with missing mappings in their Misplaced Pages articles. Once a first wave is completed, the goal is to run the bot periodically (e.g. every month).
Estimated number of pages affected: Our estimation is to affect around 3,000 pages during the first wave.
Namespace(s): Only the "Medical Resources" box in the External Links section of disease related articles.
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): No. The bot does not explictly skip these pages. We start with a list of disease related articles extracted from an initial search in Misplaced Pages. Those are the target articles, regardless of the template. No
Function details: For each disease related article in Misplaced Pages in which a new medical resource (i.e. not included in the Medical Resource box) has been found, the resource(s) are added to the box. If the article did not contain a Medical Resources box, the box is added. No changes are performed outside this box.
Discussion
Source code is already available.Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nick: Hi, is there anything else I should do to have my bot approved? Or is it a matter of waiting? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk • contribs) 15:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Eduardo P. García del Valle, read through WP:BOTAPPROVAL. You're missing some steps. Primefac (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC).
- Primefac, thanks for the response. I had already read through the steps, but I was wondering if any information was missing in my request, or if it's just a matter of waiting for the first short trial to be approved.Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're missing probably the most important step. Primefac (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Primefac, thanks for the response. I had already read through the steps, but I was wondering if any information was missing in my request, or if it's just a matter of waiting for the first short trial to be approved.Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Eduardo P. García del Valle, where has this been discussed? Primefac (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- {{OperatorAssistanceNeeded}}. @Eduardo P. García del Valle: please respond to the above or this task will be denied. --TheSandDoctor 06:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC).
- Primefac There is a discussion open here: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Populate medical resources in disease articles with information from curated sources --Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- In looking at the above (linked) conversation, it sounds like there might be some CONTEXT issues. Will let the discussion play out some more. Primefac (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Primefac There is a discussion open here: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Populate medical resources in disease articles with information from curated sources --Eduardo P. García del Valle (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Request Expired. The discussion has gone stale, and while not outright opposing this bot the main contributors were concerned about CONTEXT issues. Unless a new discussion surfaces to show that this would be a valuable task, I am closing this as "expired" (not declined, so there is no prejudice against re-filing should consensus emerge). Primefac (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Bots in a trial period
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Roccerbot
Operator: Philroc (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 20:32, Wednesday, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
Function overview: Remove {{ShadowsCommons}} from local files transcluding it whose corresponding Commons files no longer exist
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: Automatic
Programming language(s): Python
Source code available: Here
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Misplaced Pages:Bot requests#Follow up task for files tagged Shadows Commons by GreenC bot job 10
Edit period(s): Daily
Estimated number of pages affected: <20 per day
Namespace(s): Files
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes (handled automatically by Pywikibot)
Function details: The bot will scan through the files in Category:Misplaced Pages files that shadow a file on Wikimedia Commons (which pages using ShadowsCommons are automatically added to) and determine if a page with the same title as each file exists on Commons; if one doesn't, a regex will be used to detect and remove ShadowsCommons from the file's wikitext.
Discussion
- Approved for trial (50 edits or 7 days). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. Whichever comes first. Primefac (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- This will probably take some time. Category:Misplaced Pages files that shadow a file on Wikimedia Commons is a category that is updated weekly and only a few instances of a mistag are present at any time. I can carry out my weekly cleanup in a manner that leaves "testing material", though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- That was kind of the point of the trial lengths. If it's common enough to merit a bot run, it'll hit 50 before the end of a week (after all the task says up to 20 per day). If it's going to take a month to hit 50 edits, it makes me wonder if a bot is necessary. Primefac (talk) 00:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Philroc: {{OperatorAssistanceNeeded}} Please see the above. --TheSandDoctor 06:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Primefac – school-related activities have taken up most of my free time over the past few weeks so I apologize if I wasn't able to respond to your message until now. I could try running the bot weekly or monthly instead of daily, though I'm glad to withdraw this request if you feel that the task doesn't necessitate a bot run. Philroc (c) 19:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- That was kind of the point of the trial lengths. If it's common enough to merit a bot run, it'll hit 50 before the end of a week (after all the task says up to 20 per day). If it's going to take a month to hit 50 edits, it makes me wonder if a bot is necessary. Primefac (talk) 00:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- This will probably take some time. Category:Misplaced Pages files that shadow a file on Wikimedia Commons is a category that is updated weekly and only a few instances of a mistag are present at any time. I can carry out my weekly cleanup in a manner that leaves "testing material", though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Denied. This doesn't appear to be a task that necessitates a bot. Primefac (talk) 23:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Seppi333Bot 2
Operator: Seppi333 (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 22:49, Thursday, December 19, 2019 (UTC)
Function overview:
Create missing redirects from gene symbols to articles about the corresponding gene/protein and categorize them using {{R from gene symbol}}
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Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: Automatic
Programming language(s): Python
Source code available: No. Not going to write it unless approved for trial.
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate):
- Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Seppi333Bot#Feedback requested - see my conversation with SCIdude and his subsequent post on my talk page.
Edit period(s): One time run
Estimated number of pages affected: 2000 or 4000, give or take a few hundred (2000 if just the gene symbol redirects; 4000 if the parenthetically disambiguated redirects as well - see discussion below)
Namespace(s): Mainspace
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes
Function details:
Create missing redirects from gene symbols to articles about the corresponding gene/protein and categorize them using {{R from gene symbol}}
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Discussion
{{BAGAssistanceNeeded}} Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 23:17, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Give us a little bit to review before BAGAN tagging please. — xaosflux 00:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- My bad; will wait next time. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 01:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
It might be worth creating the corresponding set of parenthetically disambiguated " (gene)"-suffixed redirects (a la Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/BogBot 3) along with the proposed set, though it's not quite as necessary. Doing so would double the number of redirects I'd need to create.
Wondering what others think; @Boghog: you in particular. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 03:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- The justification for the parenthetical redirects was very clear: provide an unambiguous mechanism for locating Gene Wiki articles. Most of these redirects have already been created. Hence it would very useful to provide redirects for the newly created articles and update redirects for the rare cases where the official gene has changed. The redirects provide an efficient mechanism to find Gene Wiki articles. Why is necessary to create and maintain lists of tens of thousands of genes? Who is going to use these lists and for what purpose? Boghog (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm; I don't think it's that rare TBH; I saw around half a dozen gene symbols change when I updated those gene lists today. That said, the gene lists aren't relevant to this task in any way; I'm just proposing the creation of redirects. But, to answer your questions, it's not any more or less necessary than creating and maintaining any other article on Misplaced Pages. I do it voluntarily because I know there are some who would find it useful/interesting for the same reason I do. I suspect that people who would "use" these lists are readers who are interested in human genes. The alternative is HGNC's gene browser which cuts off the list at 1000 entries and utilizes such an excessive amount of pagination so as to render the viewer relatively useless. As for the purpose, I can't say; I only know what I used it for. But, for what purpose would any of the other lists in lists of human genes be used for that matter? Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 18:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Been about a month, so... {{BAGAssistanceNeeded}}. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 05:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Approved for trial (50 edits). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. If anyone would have an issue that should be a large enough number to make them notice. Primefac (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Coding... Shouldn't take long to program this. Will work on it as time permits. Expect to be done a few days. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 04:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- {{OperatorAssistanceNeeded}} @Seppi333: How are things coming along? If this still isn't ready, I think that we should put this request on hold for the time being. --TheSandDoctor 06:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Putting this on hold seems reasonable. I haven't had the time to work on it lately and don't expect to for another month or two. Sorry for the late reply. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 22:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- {{OperatorAssistanceNeeded}} @Seppi333: How are things coming along? If this still isn't ready, I think that we should put this request on hold for the time being. --TheSandDoctor 06:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Coding... Shouldn't take long to program this. Will work on it as time permits. Expect to be done a few days. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 04:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Withdrawn by operator. Primefac (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Bots that have completed the trial period
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Yapperbot 2
Operator: Naypta (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 08:31, Wednesday, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic
Programming language(s): Golang
Source code available: https://github.com/mashedkeyboard/yapperbot-uncurrenter
Function overview: Removing {{current}} templates from articles that no longer require the template (no changes in an extended amount of time)
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Misplaced Pages:Bot requests#Revival of User:TedderBot/CurrentPruneBot
Edit period(s): Hourly
Estimated number of pages affected: Very few per hour, but over time potentially unlimited
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes
Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): No
Function details: Scans articles that transclude {{current}}, and examines the timestamp of the last revision.
If the article has not had any new revisions in over five hours, and the article allows the bot to edit it (i.e. no {{nobots}}, no {{bot|deny=Yapperbot}}, or a bot allow list that contains the bot name) then the {{current}} template will be removed. If it was on its own line, the entire line is removed; otherwise, only the tag is.
This task was previously performed by User:TedderBot/CurrentPruneBot, which did it if the last revision was over two hours ago. To stay on the safe side, at least at the start, I've set the threshold much higher at five hours, as I don't want the bot to step on editors' toes, but if needed, it can be adjusted down again in future.
Discussion
- Five hours seems like a very short timeframe - if something happens in a specific locality (for example, I note {{current}} is being used on a few articles related to a dam breaking in Michigan) the entire night could pass without an update if everyone is asleep. Wouldn't the editors then need to re-add the {{current}} template the next day? Seems like something more like 12 hours would be more appropriate. Primefac (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- That's fair. I make no bones about the specific timeframe, it's easy to change - pinging in Thryduulf and Sdkb for any thoughts they might have on where they feel the bar should be, seeing as they were both involved in the discussion on BR. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 18:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- As an unrelated note to the above, this template is currently being used on 8 pages, all of which appear to still be valid. Is removing the {{current}} template really such of a problem? Primefac (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think the point is that {{current}} is designed to be a short-lived, temporary template, not just used because something is in the news but because lots of editors are simultaneously editing the page. That's a very easy thing for people to forget to do, by the very nature of its definition - if few people are editing the page, without people manually going through the category, there's little opportunity for people to check if it needs to be removed, if that makes sense If we're going to have people manually going through that category and "de-currenting" pages anyway, it seems to make sense to save them the bother and let a bot do it, given that it's a trivial task to instruct a bot how to do. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 18:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Primefac, your questions touch on the larger issue of what the purpose of {{Current}} is. That's very much an unresolved question (see e.g. here), but lacking a consensus elsewhere, I think we should go by the documentation, which is pretty clear that it's meant only for short-term use on articles receiving a high edit count. It wasn't meant for use on every article about a recent news item, and it's only drifted toward that usage likely because the old prunebot stopped working. Five hours is more than double the original span, so I'd say it's a plenty conservative place to start. {{u|Sdkb}} 18:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- I tend to agree that 5 hours is more than long enough to wait. If a page hasn't been edited for 5 hours then things really aren't being updated rapidly and the article is stable enough that the prose can (and should) reflect what (if any) uncertainty there is in the real world. If things hot up again later then there is nothing stopping anybody readding the template.
If there is a desire for a banner template to highlight articles about current events that are not being frequently edited, then it should be easy to get a consensus to that effect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)- Fair enough.
- Approved for trial (25 edits or 14 days). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. Whichever comes first. Primefac (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I tend to agree that 5 hours is more than long enough to wait. If a page hasn't been edited for 5 hours then things really aren't being updated rapidly and the article is stable enough that the prose can (and should) reflect what (if any) uncertainty there is in the real world. If things hot up again later then there is nothing stopping anybody readding the template.
- Primefac, your questions touch on the larger issue of what the purpose of {{Current}} is. That's very much an unresolved question (see e.g. here), but lacking a consensus elsewhere, I think we should go by the documentation, which is pretty clear that it's meant only for short-term use on articles receiving a high edit count. It wasn't meant for use on every article about a recent news item, and it's only drifted toward that usage likely because the old prunebot stopped working. Five hours is more than double the original span, so I'd say it's a plenty conservative place to start. {{u|Sdkb}} 18:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think the point is that {{current}} is designed to be a short-lived, temporary template, not just used because something is in the news but because lots of editors are simultaneously editing the page. That's a very easy thing for people to forget to do, by the very nature of its definition - if few people are editing the page, without people manually going through the category, there's little opportunity for people to check if it needs to be removed, if that makes sense If we're going to have people manually going through that category and "de-currenting" pages anyway, it seems to make sense to save them the bother and let a bot do it, given that it's a trivial task to instruct a bot how to do. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 18:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- One thing to note is that there are many spinoff templates of {{Current}}. My personal view is that many of these should be wrapperified/merged, so it may not be worth setting up the bot to work on them. {{u|Sdkb}} 19:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Given how few watchers there are, I would suggest a TFD for suggesting a merge. Primefac (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Primefac: I certainly want to wrapperify/merge them at some point, but I expect there will be some opposition, so I'm not ready to embark on that quite yet. Since you're active at TFD, one question I have, is would you suggest nominating them all together or individually? For here, I just want to put it out there that the idea of this bot ought to be to eventually apply to the full family of current templates. {{u|Sdkb}} 18:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- All at once; I find it very hard to imagine that one would be approved but the others wouldn't. Primefac (talk) 02:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Primefac: I certainly want to wrapperify/merge them at some point, but I expect there will be some opposition, so I'm not ready to embark on that quite yet. Since you're active at TFD, one question I have, is would you suggest nominating them all together or individually? For here, I just want to put it out there that the idea of this bot ought to be to eventually apply to the full family of current templates. {{u|Sdkb}} 18:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Given how few watchers there are, I would suggest a TFD for suggesting a merge. Primefac (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agree 5 hours can be a problem when overnight editing slows down. Suggest first 24hrs is a grace period, after that it is on the clock so to speak. Could even have a sliding scale, third 24hr window is 3 hours etc.. it gets easier to remove the more days goes by. -- GreenC 18:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- If editing has slowed down, whether that is "overnight" in some relevant part of the world or not, then the template isn't needed. If it picks up again then the template can be re-added. Thryduulf (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Trial note - a) for transparency purposes, and b) because I know I'll forget otherwise, I've just squashed a bug where the bot would, on pages that had {{current}} but also another template with a name that started with the word "current", remove both templates. An example of this happening is here - but the bug is now fixed. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 18:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Trial complete. With the exception of the above noted problem, there don't seem to have been any other issues - it's worked exactly as expected, doing exactly what it's supposed to. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 12:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Approved. Primefac (talk) 23:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Yapperbot
Operator: Naypta (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 17:00, Friday, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic
Programming language(s): Golang
Source code available: https://github.com/mashedkeyboard/yapperbot-frs
Function overview: Replaces the functionality of Legobot in handling the Feedback Request Service, seeing as Legobot has not been doing so for many months.
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Misplaced Pages talk:Feedback request service#Not getting any invitations?
Edit period(s): Hourly
Estimated number of pages affected: Potentially the talk page of any user who opts in at WP:FRS, as well as any page that contains an RfC, and an admin page in the bot's userspace
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): No
Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): No
Function details: The bot performs exactly the same work as that of Legobot in this area; that is to say, it checks for new RfCs and new Good Article nominations, and when it finds one, looks up relevant people on the WP:FRS page and sends a random sample (between 15 and 25) a notification, letting them know that it is there. For RfCs, it adds the RfC ID to a JSON file stored in the bot's userspace, which tells Yapperbot that it's already sent the RfC invites and doesn't need to again. It will remove the ID from the JSON once the RfC has been removed from the page. GA nominations are done through a different system, and do not require this - instead, as only one GA nomination can exist per page, they work by iterating through the nominees category, and saving the timestamp of the last completed nominee.
This is a complete rewrite of the bot in Golang, with no code even related to the current Legobot implementation. This has the main advantage that there is no database - all the needed information is stored on-wiki - so it would be a whole lot easier for someone else to pick up the bot in the event that I'm unable to continue to manage it and it breaks. I also suspect that, due to the compiled nature of Golang, it'd be a hell of a lot faster - although that's a suspicion, rather than any kind of actual metric.
The only cross-dependency on Legobot that it does have is for RfC IDs being given; however, there's no indication that Legobot is going to stop handing those out any time soon, so I think that should be alright for now. In the event that it does, this bot will stop working too, but all that means is that it just won't send out any RfC invites until either Legobot is fixed or this bot is patched to work without Legobot's intervention.
I've tested the bot on testwiki, and it appears to work correctly and as expected. The only change necessary to the way that the FRS currently works would be for the GA subscription headers to be updated for the new topics used by GA, which can be seen on the nominations page here. It is not necessary for the GA project to change anything or notify anyone so long as they are only changing subtopics; however, adding a new topic will not cause notifications to be sent until the FRS page is updated to match (because, obviously, there's nobody to send to). I would, however, also like to suggest that, as a one-off run, people with no contributions in a number of years are removed from the FRS list, as it seems there's a fair few of them.
Discussion
- Thank you very much for tackling this. Looking forward to seeing it in action. It's great that you made it reusable by others, too. − Pintoch (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Is there some reason that User:Yapperbot/FRSSentCount.js is called User:Yapperbot/FRSSentCount.js, not User:Yapperbot/FRSSentCount.json? * Pppery * it has begun... 18:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Yes, there was - and it's quite simply that I didn't realise that the
edituserjson
flag existed in the same way that theedituserjs
flag does! I've never previously had a need to store JSON, and knew that JS got that protection, so I thought I'd just put it in a JS page instead. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll go change it over to use the .json page! Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 19:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Yes, there was - and it's quite simply that I didn't realise that the
- Approved for trial (100 edits or 14 days). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. Whichever comes first. Primefac (talk) 17:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Trial complete. You can see an overview of the messages which were sent by inspecting the "database" Yapperbot uses at User:Yapperbot/FRSSentCount.json. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to also explicitly request approval to run a one-off script on the FRS page, at least removing {{Frs user}} templates of usernames that are blocked or do not exist, and possibly removing users that haven't had any edits in a very long time too - just to clean things up a bit and make Yapperbot waste less time sending messages to users that aren't going to read them. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)- I don't think that needs approval, as long as the script just processes the wikitext of the page and you manually copy and paste it into the edit window and click save. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- That's fair - I was thinking of doing it automated, but I could just run the script and then do it manually. I'll do it that way instead then Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 15:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think that needs approval, as long as the script just processes the wikitext of the page and you manually copy and paste it into the edit window and click save. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redrose64 pointed out that it seems that Legobot has trouble removing RfCs that contain the
|frsdone=
parameter that Yapperbot was previously using to make sure it didn't send invitations more than once. I'm making a note of this on the {{rfc}} template so nobody tries that again, then, as that behaviour was previously undocumented, but I've also switched Yapperbot to using a JSON file to store the RfC IDs that it's done, so that problem won't reoccur when the bot is running normally post-approval. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)- @Naypta: Please update the task description to reflect this change in how it operates. --TheSandDoctor 06:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- @TheSandDoctor: Done - cheers! Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Naypta: Please update the task description to reflect this change in how it operates. --TheSandDoctor 06:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- {{BAGAssistanceNeeded}} Would be great to get someone to chat about next steps to get this running, when a BAG member has a moment - it's been a couple of weeks since the trial ended, and there are a lot of RfCs open at the moment (117 at the time of writing), so it'd be useful to have the FRS working again! :) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Approved. Primefac (talk) 23:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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