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This talk page contents prior to 24th January 2014 have been archived. Please feel free to start new discussions below.  Velella    09:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Akidjoh

Good day Vevella. How to create a page of biography for someone, Example a football player like FISTON ABDUL RAZAK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akidjoh (talk • contribs) 07:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Greg Abbott

His daughter is adopted according to this BussinessWeek article from Bloomberg and many other news sites. This is important because partisan Truthers are arguing he is faking his need for a wheelchair since his child was born in 1997. Misplaced Pages should state this clearly, I don't understand why this is questioned but his daughter's birthyear in the same sentence requires no citation?: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-19/grit-steeled-by-injury-drives-abbott-bid-for-texas-governor#p1 I changed the summary to "Audrey (adopted)" and this was removed as well, please change this back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.81.55 (talk) 17:44, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

The trick in Misplaced Pages is to quote your reference when adding material. This is especially important when adding material to biographies of living people. Please feel free to re-add the material with a robust and reliable reference provided that the information is relevant, appropriate and encyclopaedic. It is often the case that information about children are not themselves intrinsically encyclopaedic if the career of the person in question is not influenced by the presence (or absence) of children. I understand that you understand that it is encyclpaedic so please feel free to re-add the information with the references as in <ref></ref> .  Velella    18:35, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Mayo college

How would you know about mayo college? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.64.178.202 (talk) 11:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I know nothing about Mayo college but I do know a little about Misplaced Pages and its rules. Please have a look at WP:PEOPLE to see why names have been deleted. Thanks.  Velella    12:01, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to STiki!

Hello, Velella, and welcome to STiki! Thank you for your recent contributions using our tool. We at STiki hope you like using the tool and decide to continue using it in the future. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Information about STiki, including: Using STiki and its hotkeys Comparison with other tools Information about vandalism on Misplaced Pages Here are some pages which are a little more fun: The STiki leaderboard - See how you are faring against other STiki users! Userboxes - Do not hesitate to wear the STiki label with pride by choosing from a selection of userboxes! We hope you enjoy maintaining Misplaced Pages with STiki! If you have any questions, problems, or suggestions don't hesitate to drop a note over at the STiki talk page and we'll be more than happy to help. Again, welcome, and thanks! West.andrew.g (developer) and   Tentinator   07:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Amelia Does

Hi there, according to IMDb, Ms. Does was a consulting producer on one of the Lipsett biodocs and would appear to have contributions to make to this article, despite the COI concerns. I'd like to work to see if we can find a way to include a link to her book, in some fashion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I have no problems with anyone making informed and referenced contributions but I would draw the line at promoting her own book, no matter how authoritative. That should be for others to do. She is, of course, at liberty to post relevant information on the article talk page and leave it to others to decide what to use and what not to use. Regards  Velella    20:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I understand. Personally, I'm for pending the rules a little, in this case. Please see my latest edit to the article, with a primary ref to her Senses of Cinema article. Can you live with this? Trying to find a secondary ref... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I just found an RS. Please stand by. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Albert Ellis

Hi Velella,

I added a book to Albert Ellis' list of published works: "Are Capitalism, Objectivism, And Libertarianism Religions? Yes!: Greenspan And Ayn Rand Debunked." You wrote a message saying you removed it because you thought the edit was "not constructive." Could I ask you to elaborate? Thanks in advance, appreciate any feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.244.76 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The issue that persuaded me to revert the edit was the change to three referenced instances , altering average to average. This is not what the references say. The edit was therefore in breach of Misplaced Pages's guidelines. I note that this is not the only occasion when editors have been persuaded to revert unsourced information that you have added to articles. Please always provide a reliable source for any changes of this nature that you make.  Velella    23:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, that's odd - I see what you're talking about, but I didn't actually make any changes to the instances of average, at least, not intentionally (I don't even understand what the difference is that the revision page is highlighting? average vs. average? They look exactly the same to me in all 3 instances, I don't see any difference in spelling, capitalization, spacing, punctuation, etc.?) Also, this is the first time I've ever made an edit from this IP, I think I'm showing up as a shared IP that apparently has a history of questionable edits, now that I look at its history. Anyways, do I understand correctly that you have no issue with the additional published work being added (which I referenced via ISBN and can be verified via the Misplaced Pages book sources page)? If I were to create an account and re-submit the edit from there (taking care to avoid re-creating the strange average differences, to the best of my ability), would that suffice?

It is my mind to request that you be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Re-factoring another's comments, and on their own talk page too, is considered a serious breach of Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Can you give any rational explanation?  Velella    09:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Velella - I've made an account (I'm the one who made the Albert Ellis page changes) as it seems someone else is doing things from this same shared IP (I'm in an office w/ dozens of users), I'm guessing they're the ones who made changes to your comments. I'll go ahead and re-submit my change from this account. Sorry that someone else from this location is giving you problems. Lortho21 (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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	i helped to make her page better. stop reporting me P☮ace-♥-33756 (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Changing somebody else's User page is blatant vandalism and was reported as such. If you cannot start making a sensible contribution to Misplaced Pages rather than posting nonsense message to user talk pages, you will find yourself blocked from editing.  Velella    10:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

deleted external links

Dear Velella, today you deleted several links I added to pages of several artists. The links I added connect to a website which shows objects of these artists including art, letters, pictures etc. As most of these objects cannot be found anywhere else in the internet I think these links are a valuable contribution to the articles on the artists. Moreover, the website is created by the German National Library which I think can be considered as a trusted source. I understand that linking to the start page of the website can be considered as advertisement. Therefore, I suggest to add the links again but only to the pages of the artists and not to the start page. Kiebitz13 (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I understand your motivation here, but the editing practice of simply adding links from the same site to many different articles always appears as link spamming, a editing practice strongly deprecated in Misplaced Pages. It would be mush better, if this archive contains valuable information, to use it to insert in-line references to support material already in the article or additional material that you may be able to add. External links are always rather suspect and always at risk of deletion whereas relevant and appropriate in-line citations are always most welcome. I hope that this helps. Regards  Velella    15:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

24th November contribution

hey Velella you have removed my adjustment on wikipedia (24 november) and I hope you get this :) I added that page because I accidentally promised a friend of mine who is unfortunately very sick that I would get her name on the internet and make her "famous" so the only thing I could think of was Misplaced Pages. To put it briefly my adjustment isn't really "scientific" but I really hope that you could leave it there so that I could keep my promise. I'm sorry for disturbing you!

PS: I hope my English wasn't to bad!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:398E:9400:D9DD:8344:3313:4B39 (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I have made no changes to any articles edited from your IP address. Please provide some more information about the article and I will try and make a fuller response. Thanks  Velella    18:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Thierry Henry Handball

Hi, You deleted my addition on the Thierry Henry handball regarding a banner? I was at that match and saw the banner, I probably have a picture of it somewhere but outside of that I don't know what else you want me to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.8.87 (talk) 20:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Any potentially contentious statement must be supported by a reputable and robust reference such as a national Newspaper, BBC or similar. I am sure that there should be a reference to the banner and if you can find the reference, then please feel free to replace the statement. I will leave it to others to decide whether, even with a reference, it is encyclopaedic. Regards  Velella    20:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

How is the statement contentious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.8.87 (talk) 04:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Because to any uninvolved person, the banner appears to make a threat against a person - in this case the Captain of the French team.  Velella    10:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Q-go

Hi. You nominated Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Q-go (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) last year. I since found some sources and have now reinstated the article (rather than taking it to DRV). You may wish to comment at Misplaced Pages talk:Deletion review#Template:Olddelccc. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 16:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Query

Hi, why did you give this IP a second "final warning"? Was it a Huggle malfunction or something? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I suspect a Huggle artefact. This was an IP making very frequent vandal edits to one article. When I reverted, Huggle saw the last warning as #3 and issued a #4. In the meantime further vandalism had occurred but due to my slow connection my #4 warning hadn't arrived and Huggle issued another #4 warning. A few seconds later my warning arrived and we end up with duplicate warnings. I guess just a quirk of huggle, variable speed networks and a busy little vandal - who has now been blocked. Regards  Velella    18:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Catholic Legal Immigration Network

Hi Velella, We would like to restore the edits recently made (1/30/2014) to our organization's page at CLINIC(ie: http://en.wikipedia.org/Catholic_Legal_Immigration_Network?diff=593166407). Our history, board members and programs were outdated but will be up-do-date once the edits are reinstated. Please let us know if there is anything we should do to verify that the changes made are accurate. Many thanks, Catholic Legal Immigration Network, Inc. (CLINIC)

Two important issues. First it is important that if you are editing on behalf of the organisation then this should be openly stated. It is far better if you get a username and declare your interest on your user page. Editing without declaring your interest is considered to pose a risk of conflict of interest. Secondly, to avoid having your edits reverted, please always provide an edit summary identifying what you are doing and why you are doing it. If you are removing referenced material, this is especially important and it is important to provide good references for the new material that you add. Regards  Velella    20:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Sudirman

As I recall, I corrected the spelling of a couple of words. Did I do it incorrectly? And sorry, I'm at work, so I don't recall my login and password. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.64.209.102 (talk) 23:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

You weren't signed in so I was able to track the edit. My message was probably a little more terse than intended - it was generated by a programme that delivers automated responses when edits appear to be non-constructive. In this case you changed the spellings of two words in an article written in British English to American spellings. In Misplaced Pages, either dialect may be used but not interchangeably within an article. Apologies for the tone of the message.  Velella    23:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

codeine

Hi Velella, I don't know how to add a citation, I just felt it should be on there. If you want to tell me how to do it, I'll do it. Failing that, there are many, many respectable sources on the internet. If you look up codeine along with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction on Google you will see it is a recognized problem. It even appears in the warnings section in packets of co-codamol bought over the counter. It's an often overlooked problem, which is why I felt it should be in there. Apparently even some doctors don't know of it, although mines did. Let me know what you want to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.241.177 (talk) 22:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Regards  Velella    23:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Stepan Chapman

I knew Stepan personally. I was informed of his death by his widow, Kia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.95.55 (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You may well be right, but until there is a reputable and reliable source that reports the fact, Misplaced Pages cannot use it. Sorry.  Velella    20:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Urban Agriculture page question

Hello! I see you removed my addition. I am confused by your reason as there is an identical quote without attribution (just ref link) right after what I added. I was simply following that example. Further, the quote was the opinion of an academic professional. I'm new to Wiki so any input would be very much appreciated! Andy Sherman (talk) 18:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. The quote you used was, I assume, made by an individual but in the article, but no individual was attributed to the quote. There is also a potential for copyright violation when taking text straight from a web-site or other source. Please see WP:COPYVIO for further information. I agree that there was another similar quote which I hope I have now corrected, but I will check. The final issue concerns Misplaced Pages as a world-wide on-line encyclopaedia. When a comment is made that espouses one particular view - in the case promoting New York - it is prudent to look around for a balancing view rather them simply reporting a partisan view. Misplaced Pages tends to have an unintentional biased towards the US view of life simply because so many Americans contribute and in cases like this where the quote very strongly promotes an American view, obtaining a balancing view becomes even more important. Regards  Velella    20:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Steve McQueen Le Mans movie

The article on Steve McQueen mentions his movie Le Mans and makes it appear as a failure yet the Wiki article on the movie praises the movie as a very true representation of motorsports in that era. While the usual movie critics may have panned the film motorsport fans and motorsport journalists still regard the movie very highly. I think there should be some line to denote the success the movie had with motorsport fraternity. David A. Warr, St. George's, Newfoundland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.88.154 (talk) 00:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

You are probably right, but what it needs is a reliable source to support an appropriate statement. Without a source is appears to be a personal opinion which is not permitted in Misplaced Pages. Please see WP:NPOV. Regards  Velella    09:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

A lot of what appears in Misplaced Pages is someone's opinion. There are any number of motorsports magazines that praise the movie. Similarly any movie critics's review is in fact an opinion. A person can either agree or disagree with the critics. I watch a lot of four star movies that are horrible and some movies with two stars that should have three at least. Also someone has to write the articles and must be giving their opinion on things even if it is only a matter of what is added or left out. There must be opinion or all Misplaced Pages will have is a collection of lists and charts. 142.162.88.154 (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC) David A. Warr, st. George's, Newfoundland

Menudo (soup)

The word "traditional" in the article Menudo (soup) makes it sound as if the soup is good. It is misleading, because the soup is very, very terrible.--75.36.38.134 (talk) 09:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand that that is to your opinion. However, personal opinions are not part of Misplaced Pages unless published by a reputable source which can be quoted. Secondly, traditional" does not necessarily mean "good".  Velella    10:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Copy Editing

Dear Velella,

Thanks for cooperating! :) Almost everyone who reverts my edits ignores my questions about their reversion. If my edits made nonsense of the articles, then I must be hallucinating: they seem clearer. All my recent edits have been reverted and several messages have appeared on my talk page, making me wonder whether you have asked for help in making your point; this measure would seem crude and overbearing. Regardless of psychology, below is my reply:

-Passive voice sentences of the form "X by Y" can be more concisely written in the form "Y X". -Others' liking my copy edits refers to others' having thanked me for them on Misplaced Pages, many specialized wikis, technical writing, essays, and several fictional works. I when evaluating my editing disregard unexplained reversions because the reverting editor may have had insufficient reason; sometimes reversions' explanations cite such minor errors that fixing them would have been more considerate and efficacious than reverting my painstaking and otherwise helpful copy edit. I accept that some people simply dislike my copy editing, have 'pet' pages whereover they wish to dominate, or see only one way to express themselves: in my years of copy-editing I have seen much.

If to age is to callous over one's sympathy, then I shall remain a I child forever. (talk) 21:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

PS Are you a moderator? You write like one.

It is disingenuous of you to suggest that I have been canvassing other editors. I have not. It is also the case that I have no "pet" articles that I might wish " to dominate". I suggest that instead of spraying unfounded comments around that you re-examine the impact of your own editing practices and perhaps consider why some many examples of your copy-editing are reverted.  Velella    22:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh, wow, I meant not to offend you. :( I while copy-editing so often see my authors' personal feelings affect their judgment (e.g., one author told me that however much he likes my writing, he hates all edits to his work and after thirty years still resents his professor's moving a comma in his thesis) that I wanted to know whether personal feelings would prevent the reasonable conversation whereby I from reverting editors learn how to improve my work.

I missed your Feb. 14 message because it is not on my talk page and therefore caused no red notification number to appear: in Homer's immortal words, D'Oh! >_< Nimbus227 has explained much to me--even that I am not copy-editing but stylistically rewriting.

If to age is to callous over one's sympathy, then I shall remain a I child forever. (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Is there any chance of having an English translation please so that I may respond ? Thank you.  Velella    20:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Ouch.  :( If you could not understand what I meant, then you could have just said so without hurtfully calling my writing not English. Let's not be mean. :)

I missed your previous message and now your most recent one because I saw no red notification because you didn't reply on my talk page. I also learned a lot about editing from Nimbus227. I want to know what you don't like about my writing style.

Duxwing (talk) 01:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

please ?

What I did wrong ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:1980:532:99E7:2D09:B1C:6D74 (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely nothing - apologies for the warning. You edited a page that was also being vandalised at the same time. Huggle awarded the warning to the wrong editor, probably because my mouse click was just too slow. You may want to restore your comment as it probably got erased in the edit conflict . Sorry  Velella    16:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Waterford Alumni

Hi Velella, please desist from your wholesale deletion of the Waterford Kamhlaba Alumni list. Several of the people you deleted from the article, for example Botswana's president Ian Khama are significant individuals and should be listed here. While I agree the list is too long, it is not helpful to erase all the names; rather, a selective revision would be preferable. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.215.14.238 (talk) 09:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

If the people are notable, then please link them to their respective Misplaced Pages articles. Alternatively please provide references to support unlinked names. Misplaced Pages has many list of wholly fictitious names which is not helpful to an encyclopaedia. Please see WP:PEOPLE for further guidance. Thank you  Velella    09:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

sixth army removed edit

I was wondering why you removed the edit from the sixth army? The edit was not something that was new, rather it was first removed by another anonymous user a few days ago. The statement in question is a statement of fact, given that there exists detailed records of the war crimes committed by the 6th army in Russia and eastern Europe. The original lede did not mention this rather important tidbit of history at all. I find that most unfortunate since Cold War era animosity between the West and the East prevented western historians from appreciating or even acknowledging the scope and extent of Wehrmacht war crimes against the Soviet Union. Just about every work of popular culture dealing with Stalingrad and the 6th army omits mention of of these acts.

Secondly, my understanding was the citations in the lede were a no-no, because the lede is meant to be a summary of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.251.229 (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from. A careful reading of the article provides ample evidence of war crimes but not "..throughout its existence from top to bottom.." - in my opinion. I would suggest a more considered addition which accurately reflects the contents of the article. I do agree that references are not required here, provided that the content of the article supports the opening contentions. The message on your talk page should, perhaps, have been clearer. Regards  Velella    22:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Re Skin Edit

Hi Velella

This IP is from a school ..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.178.131.181 (talk) 21:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully then this can be a lesson in becoming aware that actions have consequences - in this case very mild actions have very mild consequences. Than you  Velella    22:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

You have interesting input, Velella

I appreciate your adjustment, although I do not agree with it. Never have I heard the term, "topped up" used in America. I don't know precisely where you're from, but in my little experience as an American, "topped off" is the proper American usage.

I may be mistaken and be editing a British English article; in which case I'll kindly retract my offenses.

Let me know what you think, and your sources. Thank you!

Blaykers 00:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnm144 (talk • contribs)

It is certainly the correct term in British use and I believe British commonwealth use. "Topping off" is used occasionally and has the specific meaning of "adding the final touch". Thus we have "topping off" ceremonies when completing large buildings - which also seems to be a USA usage. Similarly a Christmas tree may be "topped off with a star". However for all contexts where a level is being restored to its previous state such as topping up a swimming pool, topping up a sand filter, topping up somebody else's bottle gin with water to hide that fact that you have helped yourself to a generous slug, all of these would always be "topping up". A definition here if there is any doubt!  Velella    17:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Tropical year

You just reverted an edit I did with the following excuse. " Your recent edit to the page Tropical year appears to have added incorrect information, so I removed it for now"

As someone who claims you have worked in earth sciences you should be aware that interglacial periods usually last for about 15,000 years. We've had 12.000 since the last de-glaciation. So my comment that there will likely be another in next 10,000 years hardly seems "incorrect". Perhaps you should inform yourself before reverting edits of others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.65.5.87 (talk) 00:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Run's House

Hello, I'm Velella. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Run's House, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.  Velella    11:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Vanessa said she graduated on her shows 'Run's House' and 'Daddy's Girls'. Instead of just reverting,did you research for a source ? This is a collaborative effort right ? Stop reverting and actually EDIT. I hope you arent one of those who just reverts to get their count up. If you look at the edit history there was alot of details WITH SOURCES but people have come through and butchered the article. I am readding my edit. 69.143.113.189 (talk) 11:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh yes, I looked and found plenty of gossip sites and blogs but not a single reputable site that I could use. If you can find a reputable and reliable site that isn't show-biz gossip or similar, please feel free to add it.  Velella    15:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)