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Interaction between typo-fixing and the names of linked images
I've been asked to start a new discussion here, following on from a stalled discussion on this page four months ago and a stalled discussion on the "Bugs" page.
Let's suppose that the word foo is almost always an incorrect spelling of fob, and that someone has added a typo-fixing rule to do the fix.
Current behaviour
If an article contains a link ]
or ]
, then the typo-fixer has been coded to turn off that rule for the entire article. It won't change foo to fob in the body text of the article. Sometimes this makes sense, as the existence of a ]
link is a sign that the word has a special meaning when used in the article. Sometimes this merely means that a typo goes unfixed - the link is itself a typo, possibly an unintended red link or a link to something in Category:Redirects from misspellings. As I understand it, AWB cannot efficiently discover whether each link is a red or blue link, an article or a redirect.
It seems very difficult to assess whether this is the best behaviour. It takes a sharp-eyed AWB user to notice that a foo has been left unchanged. Questions, then:
- Does anyone have a feel for how many correct fixes are missed because of this behaviour?
- Does anyone have a feel for how many incorrect fixes are avoided because of this behaviour?
Proposed change
I propose that a link to an image should never cause a typo-fixing rule to be turned off. Images are frequently uploaded with non-English names, or with typos in their names, or with names that don't conform to our picky hyphenation or capitalisation rules; and since image names aren't displayed in the articles there is no great incentive to rename them. I think, then, that the existence of a link to ]
should not be taken as a sign that the word foo has a special meaning in the article, and that the "foo to fob" rule should be allowed to run normally.
One concrete example to put this in perspective: the use of the image File:First 3 egyptian pilots.jpg in the article Egyptian Air Force should not be taken as a sign that it is OK to spell "egyptian" with a lowercase "e" within that article. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Support – 100%. Chris the speller 15:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Support - If it's an important enough word, it should also appear in the body of the article. GoingBatty (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Image names are meaningless as those on commons can be named in another language. Regards, Sun Creator 18:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Support - In what concerns Portuguese, names in images are most of the time misspelled (usually people do not use diacritics), and the bad collocation of Diacritic is one of the most common errors in pt.wikipedia. As AWB is to be operated by people (not bots), a think of two possible solutions:
- Keep the feature (external links disable a Typo rule) but giving an Alert similar to 'sic tag/template - "Contains matching external links"
- Remove the feature (external links do not disable a Typo rule) but giving an Alert as above --JotaCartas (talk) 00:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Second proposed change
There is a related bug report here which I have verified in my sandbox - a typo-fixing rule is currently disabled if it matches an interwiki link. This looks dubious, as these links are in arbitrary non-English languages most of the time. I propose that an interwiki link should never cause a typo-fixing rule to be turned off. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Some doubts - As above, in what concerns Portuguese, most names in interwikis to foreign languages do not use diacritics, even if the name is Portuguese. In the other hand, if the article is about a foreign subject, the existence of the interwiki may prevent a correction of a False Positive. A 'balance' must be done, but I have no data to give an opinion.
- Note that a false 'interwiki-like-format', even as a comment, i.e. <!-- ] -->, produces the same result.--JotaCartas (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
rev 8834 Typo restriction that typo rule not applied if it matches a link target will apply only to wikilinks, not image/interwiki/category links. Rjwilmsi 19:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Linked misspellings
Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Linked misspellings is a new report at Misplaced Pages:Database reports.
—Wavelength (talk) 16:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting! The report would be more useful, though, if it only included unpiped links where the wrong spelling is visible to the reader - like the three articles which link to Tennesseee. Both articles which link to Natural satelite do so through a piped link, so those don't need to be fixed. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- It's not completely clear whether fixing "piped typos" is inappropriate. There's further discussion here. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
One typo to another?
Implicted to implicited?? Both are mistakes since implicit is an adjective and not a verb. Implicate or imply might be workable replacements. Thank you. Mr T 14:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed with these edits. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Request for change to "Sculpt(ure/or)"
Could someone please change the new "Sculpt(ure/or)" rule so it doesn't try to fix "Scutts" in Mick Jagger? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed with this edit. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- I also edited the rule to avoid "scuttle" and derivatives. Rjwilmsi 08:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Request for change to "A to An"
Could someone please change the "A to An" rule so it won't try to change "a i7 chord" as in "Penny Lane"? (See the edit summary in this edit) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- The change seems fine. Vowel sounds have an an before them, 'i' pronounced 'aɪ'. Why would it not be an i7, an i6, an i8, an iPhone, or an iPad? Regards, Sun Creator 22:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm interpreting the edit summary I linked above to mean that "i7" isn't pronounced "eye-seven". GoingBatty (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Right, a web search indicates that it's pronounced as "one-seven" (or wuhn-sehvehn). Fixed with this edit -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- So use of Roman numerals in a chord. Regards, Sun Creator 23:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks to both of you! GoingBatty (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- So use of Roman numerals in a chord. Regards, Sun Creator 23:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Right, a web search indicates that it's pronounced as "one-seven" (or wuhn-sehvehn). Fixed with this edit -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm interpreting the edit summary I linked above to mean that "i7" isn't pronounced "eye-seven". GoingBatty (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
"full time" again
I undid my edit at 1960 Norwegian Football Cup and went to look at the rule to see how it could be tweaked. To my surprise, it's a very simple rule that does not try to distinguish "full time" used as a noun from "full-time" used as an adjective or adverb. My printed Concise Oxford makes this distinction, as does Collins (Onelook.com).
I've read this archived discussion but I'm not convinced. At Association football#Duration and tie-breaking methods there is the statement "The end of the match is known as full-time", but the stated reference for this only mentions "half-time" - and the COD and Collins both agree that half-time should always be hyphenated. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
en-au use of nee vs née
I have received a complaint from an Australian editor that "the Macquarie Dictionary allows for both with nee being listed first". Is this the death knell for our Typo rule? Chris the speller 12:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
- No no! Trust me: the Macquarie is not a good guide in these matters. And even if it were an accurate index of substandard Australianisms, it wouldn't matter. Please, let's continue to prefer née, which is internationally accepted and understood. (What next, phenomena and criteria are accepted as singular forms, because some dictionaries list them as such?)
- Major British and dictionaries prefer née. Rationally.
- ♥
- Noetica 03:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
False positive
This seems to be a false positive of Regex Typo fix. Please fix this. Thanks! Forgot to put name 13:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
- There were only two cases of this particular misspelling in all of the millions of pages in en.wikipedia (both now fixed), and it is not a false positive, as it did not try to change a properly spelled word. It seems to me that it is not worth messing with the Typo rules to handle this extremely rare misspelling that might only pop up once every few years. The typo rules are not intended to catch every possible mistake, just somewhat common ones. As the first sentence of the Typo rules says, "These regular expressions find and fix common misspellings". At least the current rule brought the misspelling to your attention. Chris the speller 13:57, 29 December 2012 (UTC)