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I added Hubbard's name to Template:Science fiction in the "related articles" section. It doesnt have to be placed on this article, but editors may decide it belongs here.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello! Need the help of an administrator. There seems to be a rampant amount of vandalism on this page; It is just appropriate to semi-protect it to lessen such incidents. Most of the culprits are unregistered users. All in the interest of bettering the page, I request that his matter be looked into in the soonest. Thanks.NestleNW911 (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Educational influences

Links to Study Tech and Applied Scholastics were added by User:Wykypydya . The heading "educational influences" was potentially confusing, because it implies that these are educational influences on LRH, rather than systems he and his followers invented and promote. Maybe they could be added to the article. The Talk page is the proper place to discuss this. MartinPoulter (talk) 17:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it may be appropriate to put this into the see also section.Coffeepusher (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Poor article

This is a shame for wikipedia! See the german article for the biographie of Hubbard without scientologie influence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.72.209.74 (talk) 23:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

And...

should one allow neo-nazies to edit hitlers biographie ? Surely not, for good reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.72.209.74 (talk) 23:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Eagle Scout mention

I have included information about Hubbard's eagle scout achievement. It is mentioned in the early life section of the article, and should also be mentioned in the lead section. After Born in Tilden, Nebraska, he spent much of his childhood in Helena, Montana, I have added, "Hubbard is one of America’s youngest Eagle Scouts and is listed as one of the list of famous Eagle Scouts." Please see reference here: http://meritbadge.org/index.php/Famous_Eagle_Scouts. I have also cited Corydon's book as a reference. You will see the first version that I had posted and I eventually corrected -- because it clashes with information posted later on in the article, with Miller cited. Corydon writes that he secures the Eagle Scout badge at twelve years. Is there a correction that needs to be made to the statement: "Hubbard was active in the Boy Scouts in Washington, DC and earned the rank of Eagle Scout in 1924, two weeks after his 13th birthday?" Would appreciate your comment on this. Thanks.NestleNW911 (talk) 18:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I am actually going to revert this change for two reasons. First you used a Wiki as your source which isn't a reliable source. Secondly Hubbard isn't famous for being an Eagle scout so I don't think it should be in the lede. This decision seems consistent with the articles of other famous Eagle scouts. I can't find a single example where the mention of being an eagle scout is in the lede. Unless scouting was significant in their lives after they became Eagle scouts (ie. they participated in scout leadership in their adult lives) I don't think it deserves a mention in the lede.Coffeepusher (talk) 10:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Coffeepusher. Being an Eagle Scout is a small detail of Hubbard's bio, not a key aspect of his life. -- BTfromLA (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Did Hubbard won a Saturn Award?

Did Hubbard really won a Saturn Award for Battlefield Earth? It seems that this prize is reported only by Scientologic sources. I didn't found any reference to Hubbard in the Saturn Award website (and I was not the only ). The only independent source about this alleged award I was able to find online is a very short 1984 newspaper scan. --Marcok (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Battlefield Earth is a neat book, but Saturn Awards are for film and TV, not books. Battlefield Earth, the movie, would never be given an award because it sucked Xenu's balls. Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Lede

In the interest of more NPOV, I would like to propose a change in the following section:

"Hubbard was, and remains, a controversial figure and many details of his life are disputed. The Church of Scientology depicts Hubbard in hagiographic terms, drawing on his legacy as its ultimate source of doctrine and legitimacy. He portrayed himself as a pioneering explorer, world traveler and nuclear physicist with expertise in a wide range of disciplines including photography, art, poetry and philosophy. His critics have characterized him as a liar, a charlatan and a madman, and many of his autobiographical statements have been proven to be fictitious."

There is a lack of NPOV in this part of the lead, thus we need to reframe the information to make out more neutral.

I suggest the following change:

"Hubbard was, and remains, a controversial figure and many details of his life are disputed. The Church of Scientology depicts Hubbard in hagiographic terms, drawing on his legacy as its ultimate source of doctrine and legitimacy. He portrayed himself as a pioneering explorer, world traveler and nuclear physicist with expertise in a wide range of disciplines including photography, art, poetry and philosophy. His critics have characterized him as a liar, a charlatan and a madman. This has led to a widening divide between the Church and critics of L. Ron Hubbard, and continued controversy in the accuracy of his biography."

This version provides an overview of the dualistic perspective on Hubbard's life, but does not give preference to one over the other.

About the statement from Refslund -- I feel that this statement is given too much weight. It is included in the lede and juxtaposed against the Church perspective - the perspective of a whole group of people. Can somebody tell me why Dorthe Refslund's perspective is given this much weight? If not, I don't see why we need this statement in the lead. Thoughts?NestleNW911 (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Earth Opera

I think that L. Ron Hubbard was an adventurer. In the article, his Early Life talks about many adventures in the prairie and in Asia. The University and Explorations section is full of adventure, real and imagined. In later sections, he goes to Alaska, has misadventures in the Navy, and then becomes the head Kool-Aid brewer in Scientology. The CoS's Sea Org later bumbled through the Med and Caribbean while Hubbard was solving life's mysteries with Scooby Doo and the crew of the Mystery Machine.

Author, adventurer, and founder of the CoS. That sounds like a lead to me. Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 05:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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