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Unban of User:Tobias Conradi requested

I am posting this request to unban Tobias Conradi (talk · contribs) on the behalf of NelsonSudan (talk · contribs) (see ; this is his unban request):

Reopen this case. Just what did Editor do to deserve permanent ban?

Misplaced Pages is an amateur organisation (in terms of content / banning editors etc). The facts are that one amateur editor (styled Tobias Conradi) was banned by another editor. Amateurs makinsg decisions about fellow amateurs. This is not some High Court where proper procedures re followed. We should be humble and acknowledge this. I don't know what exactly Tobias Conradi did IN THE BEGINNING to get banned....but was it really so bad? Itis hardly surprising he or she has been involved in so called "sock puppeting" since then. After all, he had no alternative....He was banned! I don't dont know the Editor in question. I have no connections. I came across this because I was leading a discussion re Dominion of India and Tobias Conradi tried to participate but what he said was deleted...Believe me, the quality of discussion there is very low. Not many editors are involved. I welcome more editors and would like to hear what Tobias Conradi has to contribute on the discussion. Give him a chance to contribute again. Misplaced Pages is really weak these days...so few editors and so many that just make lazy contributions. Tobias Conradi has been banned for a long long time.....Its time to let him back into Misplaced Pages and give him a no strings attached chance to participate. Censoring him and this permanent "gagging" is really undemocratic....and unfair given he was banned by a fellow amateur....Other editors have asked these questions above.....Its time to stop this permanent tarring of some one who seems to want to contribute.....and WP needs contributors! NelsonSudan (talk) 11:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

–MuZemike 20:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I can respond to this point easy... Itis hardly surprising he or she has been involved in so called "sock puppeting" since then. After all, he had no alternative....He was banned!. There's a simple alternative, you don't edit wikipedia. This is not somebody who lost is driver's license/insurance in a city without public transport and is being asked to stay in his house. This is not somebody who has no job and is forced to steal to feed his kids. This is somebody who is being asked not to edit a wiki which is a very simple thing not to do without any real life consequences. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - too many socks, too much disruption. WP:TWP was caused a lot of work due to this editor. Mjroots (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Various pieces of the history of this...

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tobias Conradi - ArbCom case on him.

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Community sanction/Archive10#Tobias Conradi - The official ban discussion.

Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Tobias Conradi - Many of the IPs from which he socked.

- His talk page before it was blanked when he was banned. (Warning, large)

- TexasAndroid (talk) 22:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I would support a Standard Offer. How recently has he been socking? If less than six months, then the SO is likely not applicable yet. I'm certainly not the appropriate admin to administer such, but I'm sure one could be found, if Tobias met the other elements of the SO. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:27, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

5 days ago. –MuZemike 22:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - Not a chance. Tobias Conradi is actively being disruptive. The person making this plea cites so many arguments that go against what Misplaced Pages is about, I don't even care to take the time to enumerate them. Suffice to say that this request doesn't merit any serious consideration. -- Atama頭 23:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
• Opppose search for TigreTiger in the archives for this page; nothing has changed since then. His latest sock, Bogdan Nagachop created yet more drama. I'd have no objection to him coming back after a year of not socking and creating huge messes, as he seems like an intelligent enough person, but not now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose just based on the disingenuous lying alone. He seems to think we're all idiots. Even after a checkuser busted his sock and linked it to him - he still tried to claim the sock wasn't his by calling Checkuser more or less a starchamber and demanding to see the proof (which, as we all know, isn't going to be released because we *do* have some decency). Stop considering his unblock requests, just revert, solipsism-block, and leave him to scream at a wall. —Jeremy v^_^v 02:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose This editor was blocked for several things, such as harassment (e.g. vandalism to user pages), edit warring and sockpuppetry (including another sockpuppet, mentioned recently by TBOTNL. He was given way too many second chances back in 2007, but that disruptive behaviour exhausted the communitty's patience, and led to his ban. Minima© (talk) 05:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
• Comment – per Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 August 16#Template:ISO 15924, perhaps we should more seriously consider an unban and unblock of Tobias Conradi, as it is clear that he will continue to return to make apparently constructive edits in which users do not want deleted. –MuZemike 05:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm disinclined to change my !vote based upon that, since he seems pretty insistent on denying who he is, not to mention he could be pulling a Batman gambit here - he makes these edits to get unbanned so he can wreak more havoc. In general, second chances for banned users have failed because, even when unbanned, the problems that the user was banned for in the first place are still present. —Jeremy v^_^v 06:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose As MuZemike points out, TC does not appear to want to be unbanned but rather wants to circumvent the ban. Unbanning them now would just reward such socking. I'm not opposed to applying the standard offer iff he can go 6 months without socking though. Regards SoWhy 14:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Well a leopard can change its spots, but will need to stand scrutiny of a good scrubing. As long as the coverup paint shows not a chance. Agathoclea (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
• Ron Ritzman makes this easy. That a banned editor continued to edit with sock puppets is unsurprising only if we assume that the editor had no interest in playing by the rules. The complaint itself demonstrates that this is still the case. causa sui (talk) 19:43, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Some editor made the sort of remark I regard as plain stupid. Putting down my point that he can hardly avoid "socking" when he is banned...he said, Oh well, he just has to stop editing. This is an amateur forum where most participants take about ten nanoseconds to make judgment...most interested in banning editors tend to be pro banning too. Its simply not fair that on the basis of these "amateur trials" editors get banned permanently. Given the unfairness (particularly as the user can't even have his voice heard), points like the one I regard as stupid are pretty idiotic.

A constructive comment was made above about unbanning the editor.....or banning him for a few months and if he does not sock puppet during the period, let him back in........Why don't we try one or other of the two. He is an intelligent editor and there are fewer and fewer here on WP. The content quality suffers accordingly. A PERMANENT BAN (capital punishment so to speak in WP terms) is always overly harsh. Naturally it results in sock puppeting. We should communicate with this editor more and give him a chance to get back in properly. NelsonSudan (talk) 17:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to mention that I consider it really unfair and again overly harsh that the banned editors user page or talk page is frozen. Frankly, I want to leave the user a message to let him know that there are some fair minded editors here who think he has something of value to offer....but that he will have to convince some other editors........I can't even leave a mesage like that in a place he is likely to see (his old talk page). This is another reason why these so called "trials" are really inadequate. The "accused" isn't heard...and those who speak up for him cannot even communicate with him. Its despicably unfair and goes against rudimentary principles of fair procedure. NelsonSudan (talk) 17:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

So saith you. Try negotiating with Grawp without him outing you and harassing you on 4chan. Try negotiating with Bambifan without him talking past you. Try debating with User:JI Hawkins without the conversation mentioning Tupac, Colonel Sanders, aliens or anything tangentially related to them in his warped weltanschauung. You're lying, Toby. —Jeremy v^_^v 22:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I did not understand any of that. NelsonSudan (talk) 02:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikibombing revisited

A couple of months ago an editor created an essay, Misplaced Pages:Wikibombing, to discuss the alleged use of search engine optimization techniques on Misplaced Pages to influence search engine rankings. I have carried out an experiment to see whether this is actually possible in practice and have posted the results at User:Prioryman/Use of SEO techniques on Misplaced Pages. I would appreciate any feedback from editors. Prioryman (talk) 18:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Your conclusions fully agree with my own experience. It takes Google even much less than 15' to find a newly created article. -- Marie Poise (talk) 09:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

(speaking from my experience a few years ago) (PR=PageRank) The PR of a certain page propagates to all pages that are linked from it. If the mainpage of your website is heavily linked and gets, for example, PR 4, then every subpage linked from the mainpage will have at least a PR of 3 regardless of haw many incoming links they have. Almost every single subpage that can be reached by normal navigation from the mainpage will have a baseline PR of 2 or 3, also regardless of the PR that they would obtain by counting the incoming links to that specific page. A page has to be very deep in the linking structure or be really empty to merit less than a PR 2.

The higher the PR of a page, the higher the chance that it gets crawled. Our mainpage has a very high PR (PR 8?) and "recent changes" is linked directly from it, so it must be getting at least PR 6, which is quite high. (It's also linked directly from almost every single page, which must help). If google notices that a certain page changes frequently, it will get crawled more frequently. Recent Changes is not disallowed in our robots.txt file, meaning that google is free to crawl it as frequently as it fancies. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I've been concerned in the past with the speed at which Google picks up new articles and changes - and indeed other sites that mirror Misplaced Pages. Maybe we shouldn't worry, maybe we can't do anything, but it does mean anything from BLP violations to blatant advertising gets picked up by Google. Dougweller (talk) 08:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

"maybe we can't do anything,": pending changes might be a partial solution for this, or other methods of vetting new pages before they go live. Fram (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone seriously think the page in question would not have been vetted? It was largely written by an admin. FuFoFuEd (talk) 05:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I was replying to "it does mean anything from BLP violations to blatant advertising gets picked up by Google." of course... Fram (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

CoolKoon personal page

See page: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:AtonX&diff=prev&oldid=213436875

Personal attack from CoolKoon

original text (the slovak text) Mozes sa podakovat picke Bubamare a "superslovak" Brontovi, ze odviedli spinavu pracu za teba. Skoda, ze su taki sprostucki, ze nevedia po anglicky. Potom by som im to povedal do oci. CoolKoon (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

in english translation

You can say thanks pussy Bubamara and "superslovak" Bronto, that did the dirty work for you. They are so stupid they do not know English. CoolKoon (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

user Bubamara is admin on slovak wiki

http://sk.wikipedia.org/Redaktor:Bubamara

http://sk.wikipedia.org/Špeciálne:ZoznamPoužívateľov/sysop --Jurkojanosik (talk) 11:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

That was over two years ago, why are you raking this up now? New user who is raiing complaints on the AN so fast is a little suspicious. GedUK  13:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I checked his page.... your post was ....intersting to say the least:

Ahoj. Docital som sa ze si pre vlastnu rodinu v Budapesti len Cech. Hahaha. V 1945 sa mnohi Madari na Slovensku radsej prihlasili na Slovensku len aby nemuseli ist do Madarska. To je ta velka narodna hrdost? Urcite aj tvoji predkovia sa hlasili k Slovakom len aby ich Benes nevykopol ako smradlavych psov. A zmaz si nalepku ze vies po slovensky ako keby to bola tvoja rodna rec - ziadny Slovak nenapise "po Michaloviec" ako si to napisal ty na sme. Rec brechajucih psov ti ide lepsie. Fico a Slota sa po volbach dostanu znova do vlady z coho mas fobiu uz teraz, pises o fasisme Matice Slovenskej ale o fasizme Jobiiku nenapises ani slovo ty madarsky klamar. Tak si davaj pozor aby si nedostal po hube za madarcinu v Ba - sam pises ze sa na teba ludia oborili tak im to asi vadi. A ze by si chcel madarske napisy v Ba - kde je 3% madarov to uz vrchol. Papa debilko. Si len obycajny vojnovy stvac, fasista, privrzenec Orbana a Jobiku. --Jurkojanosik (talk)

Translation from Google reads

Hello. Docital I was of your own family for only guild in Budapest. Hahaha. In 1945 many Hungarians in the Slovak Slovak instead logged on only to avoid having to go to Hungary. That is the great national pride? Definitely behold thy fathers to be reported only to their Slovakom Benes nevykopol like smelly dogs. And delete the label of the Slovak VIES than if it was thy native language - no Slovak writes "after Michaloviec" as he wrote it on the We. Rec brechajucih dogs to better the terms. Fico and Slota, after the elections again to get government out of coho masses phobia already now, you write about fascism but about Matrix Slovak fasizme Jobiiku do you write a word of the Hungarian Klamar. So please be careful to get their noses in the Hungarian Ba - sam you write of people would be pressed hard on you so it probably bothers them. And that you would like Hungarian inscriptions in Ba - which is 3% Hungarians had a peak. Papa debilko. You only usually a warmonger, fascist sympathizer and Orban Jobiku. - Jurkojanosik

.... and that was on his page today. I saw a lot of messages in slovak with the same basic accusation "facist" / "nationalist", some by IP's, and one with your name ... Boomerang anyone ? @-Kosh► Talk to the Vorlons►Markab-@ 17:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggest looking into whether "Jurkojanosik" is a sockpuppet or an SPA created for the sole purpos of making the above post. Hobartimus (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Just wow. I get a very short wikibreak and when I return all hell breaks loose. Does anyone have any doubts about the hopelessness of the Slovak nationalists? Well, if you still do, let me translate the whole text correctly for your convenience:

Hi. I've read somewhere that even for your own family in Budapest you're just a Czech. Hahaha. In 1945 a lot of Hungarians in Slovakia have rather registered themselves in Slovakia (?) just so that they won't have to move to Hungary. Is that the great national pride? I'm sure that your ancestors have proclaimed themselves to be Slovaks only to avoid being kicked out by Benes like some smelly dogs. And just delete the sticker which says that you speak Slovak on a near-native level - none of the Slovaks write "po Michaloviec" like you did at SME. You're better at the language of the barking dogs. Fico and Slota will regain their power once again after the elections, from which you obviously have a phobia already. You write about the fascism of Matica Slovenská, but you fail to mention the fascism of Jobbik you Hungarian (in this case rather: retarded - the word Hungarian became a synonym for a retarded/dummy person/doofus in Slovak) liar. So take care to avoid getting beaten up for (the usage of) Hungarian in BA (Bratislava) - you say yourself that people have lashed out on you, so obviously it (the usage of Hungarian in public) is annoying for them. And to top it off you want to have Hungarian signs in BA -where's about 3% of Hungarians-, that's just unacceptable. Bye, moron. You're just a regular warmonger (?!), fascist, supporter of Orbán and Jobbik.

And have no doubts about it, over 50% of Slovakia identifies itself with such psychotic claims (supported by Fico's almost unanimous victory in all the polls). And to make the text even more "realistic" I've tried to translate it with the preservation of as much of the original content and context as possible, with some added explanations. -- CoolKoon (talk) 21:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I have indef blocked User:Jurkojanosik per WP:BOOMERANG (well, for purely disruptive editing actually, comparable to a vandalism-only account). CoolKoon, I can understand your reaction when you get such offensive posts, but please, don't attack half of Slovakia here, it doesn't help you or the discussion. Fram (talk) 08:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you believe that this is the second such post on my userpage and I got the first one from a Slovak editor too (Bizovne, who might even be behind this very same account)? And when I say that around half of Slovakia agrees with such ideas I mean it. The daily SME mentioned above is among the most liberal newspapers in Slovakia. Its commentaries are objective, relevant and informative, even as far as "Hungarian matters" are concerned. And do you know how do such people (like the one above) think about this paper? They say stuff ike it's a "Hungarian paper written (for now) in Slovak" and spell it with the Hungarian "sz" to read "SZME" etc. And all this comes from the fact that their editors don't badmouth the Hungarians 24/7 but write relevant articles (sure, they mention Hungarians too, but only in a well-informed and thoroughly researched manner, which the others fail to do). And yet all this just doesn't prevent anti-Hungarian commenters from appearing there. Usually there's so many of them that they totally overwhelm the sane ones. And unfortunately I have a feeling (supported by my personal experiences) that that's THE NORM in Slovakia. If you happen to end up in Slovakia for some inexplicable reason, just ask ANY Slovak you meet about the Hungarians. Their answer will surprise you, I'm sure. And the answer will be pretty much in the same manner regardless of the person's level of education: even some of the most "educated" ones will tell you how insolent they are and how much of a bastard every Hungarian (or most of them) is. They might also tell you that "basically I don't have any problems with Hungarians, BUT...." (and that's where their anti-Hungarian opinions follow). Sure, all of this might seem incredible (maybe even to a guy from Belgium), but just insert this short text into Google Translator and you'll see (the guy wrote the text in reaction to one of my posts there). And you'd find thousands of others on the same portal if you google around for words like "Madari/Maďari", "madarsky/-a/-e/maďarský/-á/-é", "Madarov/Maďarov" etc. I'm sorry if I've offended yours or anyone else's feelings of PC, but I have a feeling that this wasn't (by far) the last offensive comment made against me (by far) for the fact that I'm Hungarian (and nothing else, I'm not even sure if I've upset this user "personally" on WP with something). I'm sure that there'll be others as well, probably mostly in Slovak, because the people who tend to write such things rarely bother learning English either (maybe they view the lack of knowledge of foreign languages as a "Slovak virtue" just like drinking). -- CoolKoon (talk) 08:58, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

CoolKoon, I didn't mean that your comments about Slowakia and Slovaks were incorrect (nor that they are correct), just that they have no place in this discussion. The attacks against you were clearly blockworthy, but whether they present the personal opinion of one or two editors, or are a representation of what 10%, 50%, or 99% of a country thinks, is not really relevant and may well antagonize people who would otherwise symphatize with you. It's best and safest to stick to what happened here, and leave most of the background out (apart from things which are really necessary to explain things, and even then just stating that there is e.g. "widespread anti-Hungarian sentiment in Slovakia" would be enough, without stating "over 50% of Slovakia identifies itself with such psychotic claims". It's just some friendly advice, I'm not interested here in whether this is true or not. Fram (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I tend to force the topic into this direction when Slovak nationalism/anti-Hungarian hate speech is mentioned (I just can't help it :P). But my original point was that because of the fairly high amount of alike-thinking people I fear that this isn't (by far) the last of such comments and this might happen again (this is somewhat of a note to myself as well :P). Thanks for resolving the issue though. -- CoolKoon (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Notification: Misplaced Pages talk:Username policy#RFC: Use of non-latin or unicode characters as usernames

I have started a RFC on a policy related to usernames at Misplaced Pages talk:Username policy#RFC: Use of non-latin or unicode characters as usernames and would request that interested users give their feedback. Regards SoWhy 15:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with move

Hi! Could an administrator undo the moves I just made at Equitable Building (New York City 1870) and Equitable Life Building (New York City)? I'm an idiot and didn't read everything correctly, and now I can't undo the mistake. Thanks.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It's been done now, thanks.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Uninvolved admin needed to close ANI proposal

This has been sitting stale for a while while the editor/admin involved continues to add POV to articles, so can an uninvolved admin please look at the two proposals here and here and decide if there is sufficient consensus to enact either or both of them? Thanks, Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I've closed both proposals, and found no consensus for the first proposal, and an almost unanimous consensus for the second proposal. My reasoning can be seen both at that page and at the top of WP:ANI (the latter until it is archived). -- Atama頭 01:59, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitrator abstention votes

Resolved by motion:

That in voting sections of proposed decisions as well as of freestanding motions, an additional "Comments" section will be included following the Support, Oppose, and Abstain sections. This section may be used only by arbitrators for comments on the proposal and for discussion of fellow arbitrators' comments. Posting a comment on a proposal does not constitute a vote on the proposal or change the required majority for the proposal. The use of abstention votes as a vehicle for comments, while ultimately within each arbitrator's discretion, is not recommended. Generally, an arbitrator who posts a comment is also expected to vote on the proposal, either at the same time, or at a later time after there has been an opportunity for his or her comments to be addressed. The Arbitration Committee will reevaluate this change of procedures and consider whether any additional changes are warranted in three months.

For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Discuss this

Review File:Opus prototype.jpb.jpg, please

Arrivisto uploaded this image earlier today, and Ahunt tagged it for speedy some hours later as a copyvio of http://www.opusaircraft.com. I've declined the deletion because the website doesn't appear to exist, but I'm sure that Ahunt (who's been around here for more than six years) wouldn't make a fraudulent nomination, so I suspect an error with my computer or connexion. Someone or someones, please check to see if that website exists and either delete the image or leave a note here saying that my computer or connexion was not the problem. I mentioned the odd situation to Ahunt (who hasn't yet replied for the very good reason that I left the note just a couple of minutes ago), but since Arrivisto's behavior isn't the subject of this discussion (and I hope it won't be; we don't block or sanction for a single copyvio, even if that's what it is), I've not notified him/her. Nyttend (talk) 00:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The website seems to work for me, and the uploaded image seems to be a cropped version of one on the website - I think that Ahunt is correct, though we should perhaps also see what Arrivisto says. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

CoolKoon

Hi.

From Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks: Some types of comments are never acceptable:

Racial, sexist, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, sexual or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual orientation, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse.

User Coolkoon wrote ]:

And have no doubts about it, over 50% of Slovakia identifies itself with such psychotic claims CoolKoon (talk) 21:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC) --LastLion (talk) 11:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hobartimus

User Hobartimus delete academic sources without cause. See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Magyarization&action=historysubmit&diff=445721689&oldid=445657728.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Magyarization&action=historysubmit&diff=445650419&oldid=445638926

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Magyarization&action=historysubmit&diff=445555870&oldid=445487597

Gilbert Lawrence was former professor of history and political science at Mount St. Mary’s College and St. Joseph’s College.

http://www.emmitsburg.net/archive_list/articles/people/obits/2001/Dr.%20Gilbert%20L.%20Oddo.htm --LastLion (talk) 11:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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