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Requests for adminship (RfA) is the process by which the Misplaced Pages community decides who will become administrators (also known as admins), who are users with access to additional technical features that aid in maintenance. Users can either submit their own requests for adminship (self-nomination) or may be nominated by other users. Please be familiar with the administrators' reading list, how-to guide, and guide to requests for adminship before submitting your request. Also, consider asking the community about your chances of passing an RfA.

This page also hosts requests for bureaucratship (RfB), where new bureaucrats are selected.

If you are new to participating in a request for adminship, or are not sure how to gauge the candidate, then kindly go through this mini guide for RfA voters before you participate.

One trial run of an experimental process of administrator elections took place in October 2024.

About administrators

The additional features granted to administrators are considered to require a high level of trust from the community. While administrative actions are publicly logged and can be reverted by other administrators just as other edits can be, the actions of administrators involve features that can affect the entire site. Among other functions, administrators are responsible for blocking users from editing, controlling page protection, and deleting pages. However, they are not the final arbiters in content disputes and do not have special powers to decide on content matters, except to enforce community consensus and Arbitration Commitee decisions by protecting or deleting pages and applying sanctions to users.

About RfA

The community grants administrator access to trusted users, so nominees should have been on Misplaced Pages long enough for people to determine whether they are trustworthy. Administrators are held to high standards of conduct because other editors often turn to them for help and advice, and because they have access to tools that can have a negative impact on users or content if carelessly applied.

Nomination standards

The only formal prerequisite for adminship is having an extended confirmed account on Misplaced Pages (500 edits and 30 days of experience). However, the community usually looks for candidates with much more experience and those without are generally unlikely to succeed at gaining adminship. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense. To get an insight of what the community is looking for, you could review some successful and some unsuccessful RfAs, or start an RfA candidate poll.

If you are unsure about nominating yourself or another user for adminship, you may first wish to consult a few editors you respect to get an idea of what the community might think of your request. There is also a list of editors willing to consider nominating you. Editors interested in becoming administrators might explore adoption by a more experienced user to gain experience. They may also add themselves to Category:Misplaced Pages administrator hopefuls; a list of names and some additional information are automatically maintained at Misplaced Pages:List of administrator hopefuls. The RfA guide and the miniguide might be helpful, while Advice for RfA candidates will let you evaluate whether or not you are ready to be an admin.

Nominations

To nominate either yourself or another user for adminship, follow these instructions. If you wish to nominate someone else, check with them before making the nomination page. Nominations may only be added by the candidate or after the candidate has signed the acceptance of the nomination.

Notice of RfA

Some candidates display the {{RfX-notice}} on their userpages. Also, per community consensus, RfAs are to be advertised on MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages and Template:Centralized discussion. The watchlist notice will only be visible to you if your user interface language is set to (plain) en.

Expressing opinions

All Wikipedians—including those without an account or not logged in ("anons")—are welcome to comment and ask questions in an RfA. Numerated (#) "votes" in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections may only be placed by editors with an extended confirmed account. Other comments are welcomed in the general comments section at the bottom of the page, and comments by editors who are not extended confirmed may be moved to this section if mistakenly placed elsewhere.

If you are relatively new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, or if you have not yet participated on many RfAs, please consider first reading "Advice for RfA voters".

There is a limit of two questions per editor, with relevant follow-ups permitted. The two-question limit cannot be circumvented by asking questions that require multiple answers (e.g. asking the candidate what they would do in each of five scenarios). The candidate may respond to the comments of others. Certain comments may be discounted if there are suspicions of fraud; these may be the contributions of very new editors, sockpuppets, or meatpuppets. Please explain your opinion by including a short explanation of your reasoning. Your input (positive or negative) will carry more weight if supported by evidence.

To add a comment, click the "Voice your opinion" link for the candidate. Always be respectful towards others in your comments. Constructive criticism will help the candidate make proper adjustments and possibly fare better in a future RfA attempt. Note that bureaucrats have been authorized by the community to clerk at RfA, so they may appropriately deal with comments and !votes which they deem to be inappropriate. You may wish to review arguments to avoid in adminship discussions. Irrelevant questions may be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic.

The RfA process attracts many Wikipedians and some may routinely oppose many or most requests; other editors routinely support many or most requests. Although the community currently endorses the right of every Wikipedian with an account to participate, one-sided approaches to RfA voting have been labeled as "trolling" by some. Before commenting or responding to comments (especially to Oppose comments with uncommon rationales or which feel like baiting) consider whether others are likely to treat it as influential, and whether RfA is an appropriate forum for your point. Try hard not to fan the fire. Remember, the bureaucrats who close discussions have considerable experience and give more weight to constructive comments than unproductive ones.

Discussion, decision, and closing procedures

Most nominations will remain active for a minimum of seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page, during which users give their opinions, ask questions, and make comments. This discussion process is not a vote (it is sometimes referred to as a !vote, using the computer science negation symbol). At the end of the discussion period, a bureaucrat will review the discussion to see whether there is a consensus for promotion. Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented. In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass.

In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail). However, a request for adminship is first and foremost a consensus-building process. In calculating an RfA's percentage, only numbered Support and Oppose comments are considered. Neutral comments are ignored for calculating an RfA's percentage, but they (and other relevant information) are considered for determining consensus by the closing bureaucrat.

In nominations where consensus is unclear, detailed explanations behind Support or Oppose comments will have more impact than positions with no explanations or simple comments such as "yep" and "no way". A nomination may be closed as successful only by bureaucrats. In exceptional circumstances, bureaucrats may extend RfAs beyond seven days or restart the nomination to make consensus clearer. They may also close nominations early if success is unlikely and leaving the application open has no likely benefit, and the candidate may withdraw their application at any time for any reason.

If uncontroversial, any user in good standing can close a request that has no chance of passing in accordance with WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW. Do not close any requests that you have taken part in, or those that have even a slim chance of passing, unless you are the candidate and you are withdrawing your application. In the case of vandalism, improper formatting, or a declined or withdrawn nomination, non-bureaucrats may also delist a nomination. A list of procedures to close an RfA may be found at WP:Bureaucrats. If your nomination fails, then please wait for a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within three months, but many editors prefer to wait considerably longer before reapplying.

Monitors

• WP:MONITOR

In the 2024 RfA review, the community authorized designated administrators and bureaucrats to act as monitors to moderate discussion at RfA. The monitors can either self-select when an RfA starts, or can be chosen ahead of time by the candidate privately. Monitors may not be involved with the candidate, may not nominate the candidate, may not !vote in the RfA, and may not close the RfA, although if the monitor is a bureaucrat they may participate in the RfA's bureaucrat discussion. In addition to normal moderation tools, monitors may remove !votes from the tally or from the discussion entirely at their discretion when the !vote contains significant policy violations that must be struck or otherwise redacted and provides no rational basis for its position – or when the comment itself is a blockable offense. The text of the !vote can still be struck and/or redacted as normal. Monitors are encouraged to review the RfA regularly. Admins and bureaucrats who are not monitors may still enforce user conduct policies and guidelines at RfA as normal.

Current nominations for adminship

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza

Nomination

(0/5/0); Scheduled to end 22:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC) Closed per WP:SNOW. PeterSymonds (talk) 22:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza (talk · contribs) – This is my third attempt, but I have had more experience since then. Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza 22:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I attend to block vandals after they have had final warnings and keep vandaliszing, and to delete pages that need to be deleted.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: My best contributions are my edits to Total Drama Action, Total Drama Island, and List of characters from Total Drama Island.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Yes. I once had a sandbox problem where I was cussing, back in october.

4. Where are your other RfAs? You say this is your third attempt, yet I was only able to find a single RfA for one of your old usernames. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

A: Here.

General comments

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Raggonix

• Links for Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza: Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza before commenting.

Discussion

• My rollback issue was because I mistankely rollbacked edits I thought was vandalism. Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza 22:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING 11? Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza 22:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • It's a contentious topic, but generally, behavioral issues that have already come up, and communication problems. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 22:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) There's nothing wrong with being 11. There is, however, something wrong with behaving like an 11 year old. –Juliancolton 22:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support

Oppose

1. Oppose per very recent issues with rollback and behavior. –Juliancolton 22:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Oppose - Wishy washy non-answers, bad grammar, and rollback issues. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 22:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
3. Oppose 11 years old?! Keepscases (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Your point? Simon 22:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   I feel that is far too young to be an administrator. This candidate is not going to pass, so there is no point getting into the whole debate. Keepscases (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

4. Oppose - per Julian. Simon 22:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
5. Good gracious no; behaves in a way which suggests that stating he is an 11 may be an overstatement. Daniel (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral

The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

WWEYANKS52

Nomination

Final: (13/38/8); closed as unsuccessful by Kingturtle at 21:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

WWEYANKS52 (talk · contribs) – Well, I have been on the English Misplaced Pages for over a year now, and I have decided to try to become an admin. This is my second try at this, but I have learned so much since my first try. Adam Penale (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I will probably block vandals and delete pages at new pages.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: I believe my best contributions are the 600+ pages that I have started here on Misplaced Pages. Most of them are, MLB, NFL players and disambiguations.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: No, not really. I really haven't been in any conflicts and I think thats a good thing.

Optional questions from Aitias

4. Is there any circumstance in which you would delete a page despite a Hangon tag?

A. Yes, If I believe that the page is completely Idiotic or If the tag has been placed and no reason is given

5. What would your personal standards be on granting and removing rollback?

A.

6. Under what circumstances may a non-free photograph of a living person be used on Misplaced Pages?

A. It may be used to illustrate the subject in question or when no free image is available or could be created I frankly don't quite no, I tried my best to find the answer. I don't even upload any living person files

7. An IP vandalises a page. You revert the vandalism and give the IP a final warning on its talk page. After that the IP vandalises your userpage. Summarising, the IP was sufficiently warned and vandalised (your userpage) after a final warning. Would you block the IP yourself or rather report it to WP:AIV? Respectively, would you consider blocking the IP yourself a conflict of interest?

A.I would probably block the user myself

8. Under what circumstances, if any, would you block a user without any warnings?

A.I would if I feel that the user has been warned enough times and shows no signs of stopping his/her bad behavior

Optional question from Tan

9. You say you want to block vandals and delete pages. As far as I can see, you have virtually no experience in vandal fighting, vandal reporting, page deletion nomination, or any related administrator arenas. Can you explain how we should know whether or not to trust you with the delete and block button, having no way to see how you perform in those areas?

A.I believe that I would use this power for the right purposes, and I do think that I will start to get involved in vandal fighting and reporting soon

Optional question from Giants27

10. I'll ask the old RfA favorite, what is the difference between a block and a ban?

A.

Q's from flaminglawyer

11... Your edit count to the WP namespace is relatively low. This is (generally) a telltale sign of lack of policy knowledge. Do you consider yourself to be knowledgeable/experienced in the field of WP policy? How could you improve your experience/knowledge in the areas in which you lack it?

A.

Questions from K50 Dude

11. What is Patent Nonsense?

A.

12. What is the importance of edit summaries?

A.

13. (OPTIONAL) Write a haiku about your contributions to Misplaced Pages (sorry, a bit random...).

A.

Questions from Smallman12q

14. Could you please describe the DRV process in your own words. What if an editor does not agree with a DRV...what do they do then?Smallman12q (talk) 04:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

A.

General comments

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/WWEFAN99

• Links for WWEYANKS52: WWEYANKS52 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Well damn. There's a ton of questions here already. I won't add mine, the ones I referenced in my comments on your talk page. If you want to, have a go at the them and put 'em up here with the rest. Though I suspect you're busy enough already. Dlohcierekim 23:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/WWEYANKS52 before commenting.

Discussion

• You said that you had another RfA previously. Were you renamed or do you have another account, because I couldn't find a first RfA for this username. iMatthew // talk // 21:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/WWEFAN99. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Ah ok. Those were some messy moved and deletions. iMatthew // talk // 21:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• Can we not pile on with questions please... 7 in one hour is way to much for an candidate. D.M.N. (talk) 22:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • • • You're right. No sense in torturing someone with open ended questions so I'm getting rid of mine. Thanks for the note. --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 23:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • The general feeling around RfA is that the candidate is free to answer questions at whatever pace they'd like. They can answer it in 3 days, or in 3 minutes. It's not a big deal, IMO. iMatthew // talk // 22:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Question 6 is completely wrong. Unfortunately, this RfA is doomed, now. iMatthew // talk // 00:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Most likely, yes. Which I feel is actually unfortunate, because I don't count full understanding of the image fair-use policy as a prerequisite to becoming an administrator unless they intend to work in the area. A general understanding of policies on Misplaced Pages is a necessary requirement; full knowledge shouldn't be. Master&Expert (Talk) 01:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

While I agree that full understanding of the image fair need not be a prerequisite for adminship, the policy itself is fairly clearly laid out and it doesn't take a lot of reading to figure out the right answer. A minimal effort to read up the policy and write up the answer doesn't seem an outlandish requirement. --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 01:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

That's true - it is common sense to do research when unsure, or to ask for help. That, coupled with their answer to question 9, leaves me convinced that they are not quite ready (yet since I took so much time writing the neutral section, and still stand by what I said there, I am reluctant to move to oppose). Master&Expert (Talk) 01:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Current tally = (6/6/6). >_> Master&Expert (Talk) 01:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Since 3 or more people are feeling frustrated that they can't get their questions in without burdening the candidate, is it time to consider adding this to the candidate instructions? "Voters can ask as many questions as they like, but we recommend you pick only one or two questions from each voter to answer for the first couple of days. That will probably mean more voters will feel comfortable asking you questions, which will help your chances. You may wish to answer some of the extra questions after a couple of days." - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No doubt someone will oppose because of slow answers to questions, though. — neuro 11:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to post a reminder in the discussion sections of RFAs for a month, so that the voters would know the candidate is only doing what we're asking. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Support

1. Support - You seem like a good faith-ed editor. It's very likely this RfA will not pass, as I noticed your lack of experience in administrative areas. You have good intentions, and I suggest that once/if a fair amount of oppose !votes build up, you withdraw and try again at another time. Also, if you really plan on working this RfA, you need to write a better self-nomination statement. Simply signing it will get you opposed. iMatthew // talk // 21:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Support per my User:Dlohcierekim/On_RfA standards as an article builder who should be able to figure out how not to delete the main page or block Mr. Wales. Dlohcierekim 23:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Almost forgot. I saw a lot of deleted article contribs. The few I looked at had been tagged for speedy deletion, so seems to know WP:CSD well enough. I saw no notices of incorrect CSD tagging on talk page. While WP:AFD and WP:AIV are weak, I saw no clear indication of not readiness. I did not complete my review before this went live. Dlohcierekim 23:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Support Solid editor who, from what I can see, will use the tools with circumspection. Enough edits, some CSD work, can't think of any reason why not. --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 23:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Abstaining. --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 23:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

   Weak Support - seems like a good, constructive user who would probably make good use of the tools. Not much experience in article deletion, though; I can't see his deleted contributions, so I don't know what his CSD nominations were like (but if the articles were deleted, that's probably a good sign). And answering the questions would be a good idea. Ultimately, I'm supporting because I have no reason to believe this user will abuse the tools, but WWEYANKS will need to put more work into this RFA if he wants it to pass. Robofish (talk) 23:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Switched to Neutral pending answers to questions. Robofish (talk) 00:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

3. Support - I doubt this will pass, and I would really like to see more experience in admin-related areas, but we have to ask ourselves: can we trust this user not to abuse the tools? The answer is clearly "yes". –Juliancolton 23:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
4. Strong Support, great user. If he hasn't talked at ANI or anywhere like that, I could care less. Wizardman 23:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Do you mean you 'couldn't care less'? Saying "I could care less" makes no sense. Nick mallory (talk) 00:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

5. Support While I'd like to see a bit more experience in the areas you'd like to work in, your record shows me that you are a productive and dedicated editor that we can trust to learn the areas you would be working in. FlyingToaster 00:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
6. Support per User:A_Nobody#RfA_Standards in that candidate has no blocks and due to no memorable negative interactions elsewhere. Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
7. Support Correct answers to questions shows he knows what he's doing.--Giants27 TC 02:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Support - Will this user abuse the tools? No. Will this user learn from any mistakes they may make? Yes. Simple. — neuro 02:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Abstaining. — neuro 18:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Umm, what? Bsimmons666 (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

8. Weak support - Per neuro. -download | sign! 04:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
9. Support per Dloh and Neuro. →Dyl@n620 12:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
10. Support, you show good faith in all your interactions with editors that I have reviewed. I think that is far more important that extensive knowledge of policy. You deserve a chance! Charles Edward (Talk) 13:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
11. Weak Support per Net Positive. The admins who say that he has good CSD work are enough to bring me from neutral to support. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
12. Weak Support - technically meets my basic standards, but I'd like to see more admin-type work already. Bearian (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
13. Support User has already proved his admin-worthiness and would make a great admin. Good luck Letsdrinktea (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak Oppose You're a great article builder, but aside from edits to Misplaced Pages:Requested articles and WikiProjects, you have 2 substantial edits to the Misplaced Pages namespace. I suggest working in more administrative areas. Sam 21:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Weak oppose I agree with Sam. You are a good editor, but I never saw you in admin areas. Moral Support. Simon 21:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Moral support would belong in the support section. Are you morally supporting, or weak opposing? iMatthew // talk // 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   It's really the same thing anyway. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 22:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

3. Oppose The article-building experience is good, but adminship requires interaction with other users to a degree that I don't see much evidence of here. And while you're right that conflict avoidance can be a good thing, the fact is that admins exist in large part to settle disputes in one way or another. So some significant evidence that you're up to that task is really necessary for the community to fairly evaluate you. Hope this is helpful. Townlake (talk) 22:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   This edit also raises concerns. Best practice is to strike through, not erase, such contributions to discussion pages; your Q6 answer has been responded to by others here, and late-comers won't see your answer when they arrive, so they won't immediately see what the previous editors were talking about. Townlake (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

4. Oppose Little work in the admin-type areas and interactions as above. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 22:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
5. Oppose. Weak answers to questions, little to no experience in areas where editor plans to work with admin tools. Tan | 39 00:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
6. Oppose - Virtually no experience, and the answers to the questions demonstrate this. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 00:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
7. Oppose — While the editor is clearly constructive judging by the contribs, I see a lack of experience and knowledge in areas where good policy/guideline knowledge and and making related judgments come into play, such as participating in XFD discussions. Also per poor responses in questions 4 through 9, especially 6. MuZemike 01:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
8. Oppose Though I think you have made good contributions, in your intended specialty of fighting vandals you have admittedly relatively little experience. I think that you should start using Twinkle or some other anti-vandal script(s) as well as doing things by hand to show your knowledge of reversions, what applies as CSD, Prod, or XfD, as well as other related policies. After you gain significant experience and knowledge in this field I think you'll make a fine RfA candidate. Valley2city 03:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
9. Oppose Shockingly unprepared for RfA. Keepscases (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
10. Oppose - I find the answers not convincing, sometimes plain wrong, and although I don't doubt the good faith of this editor I'd feel uncomfortable if he had the bit. I think more experience is needed.    SIS  17:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
11. Oppose Lack of experience in areas where the user wants to participate. Due to the fast pace nature of WP:AVI is important to have strong knowledge of policy. --J.Mundo (talk) 17:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
12. Oppose. Although the usually faceless, online environment works surprisingly well at Misplaced Pages, one thing I've noticed doesn't work is to count on people to get involved in some new project when they say they're going to. I'm really not comfortable taking the candidate's word that, some day, he'll start making a significant time-investment in admin-y things. (It's too easy to screw up without putting in significant time.) But this was obviously the right time for him to come to RFA, partly because he might just pass (fine by me, I trust the supporters), and mostly because even if he doesn't, he's getting great support and advice, above and on his talk page. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 18:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
13. Oppose. WWEYANKS52 doesn't have a good enough knowledge of the policies yet. Axl ¤ 18:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
14. Oppose Answers to the questions aren't convincing. Also lack of activity in areas the user expressed to work in. Sorry.America69 (talk) 19:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
15. Oppose. Unsatisfactory answers to the questions, lack of policy knowledge and little to no experience in areas the user plans to work in. If the candidate continues to contribute, expand their policy knowledge and work in admin-related areas, I'm sure next time around will bring better results. DiverseMentality 23:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
16. Oppose Lack of experience in admin areas, and some bad answers to the questions, specifically 8 and 9. LittleMountain5 00:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
17. Oppose I don't see a real need for the mop, nor do I see a wealth of experience in policy or actually even a good understanding of said policy; I also expect much more in the way of edit summaries. Sorry, but whilst I don't see a trust issue here, I also don't see the point of you getting the bit. You may one day have what it takes, but the preceding and the answer to question 6 tells me WP:NOTNOW fr33kman -s- 02:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
18. Oppose I seldom leave my "neutral" section, but this is one case where I feel I must oppose. I'm going to give the following advice: Work in admin-ish areas (XFD, ANI, AIV, etc.), get some policy knowledge, and keep up the good work in the articlespace! So for now, not now. Remember that "not now" ≠ WP:NOTNOW. flaminglawyer 02:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
19. Oppose (edit conflict) - agh, I feel bad about doing this, since I initially supported (in a hasty rush to judgement). On further inspection, I don't feel confident that I can trust this user with the admin tools. There's no evidence that he'll abuse them, but his knowledge of Misplaced Pages policies is poor, and he lacks experience in areas like AFD. I advise him to go and learn more about our policies and structures, and hopefully by the next time he runs for adminship, I'll be able to Support (and stay there). Robofish (talk) 02:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
20. Oppose. The candidate needs greater familiarity with policy and admin areas. You may very well make a good admin at some point, but you need additional experience. Keep up the good work. Majoreditor (talk) 02:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
21. Strong Oppose... Just because you work creating new pages about MLB players (great work with that!) you don't get to delete new pages. Deleters who work with new pages MUST know WP:PROD, WP:AFD, and, most importantly BY FAR, WP:CSD. I didn't see any of that in your last 1500 contributions. I also didn't see any manual edit summaries. That is crucial if you are an admin. You need a ton of work in the "adminy" areas. Try again in a few months. K50 Dude ROCKS! 05:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
22. Oppose; low level of Misplaced Pages-namespace edits indicates a likely lack of policy knowledge. Stifle (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
23. Oppose answer to question 6 is easily researchable, if you were to become an admin, you would need to research policy as needed, not demonstrating that is a killer for me. Foxy Loxy 22:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
24. Oppose - don't see a need for the tools. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
25. Oppose Too many valid concerns have been raised above. Also, answers to my questions are not quite satisfying. Sorry. — Aitias // discussion 11:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
26. Oppose I don't see much experience in the admin related areas, or even the mainspace to feel comfortable with you having the tools. ArcAngel (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
27. Regretful Oppose Not nearly enough experience with the Misplaced Pages policies. Try again after a few months. :) Cheers. Imperat§ r 22:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
28. Oppose Sorry, but, you don't have enough experience in wikipedia related areas and you don't seem to have many substantial edits to articles, although keep up your good work with article building. Possibly try again in a couple of months and I'd probably support, all the best. Aaroncrick 05:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
29. Oppose per above amd no answer to various questions above. Spinach Monster (talk) 14:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
30. Oppose but with recommendation to apply again. You seem to have the right attitude, but with your answers to the questions you seem (to me) to lack the knowledge of policies and the actions of an administrator should take and what circumstances are difficult choices for admins. I disagree with this line of thinking, but there are a lot of people here who will not even consider your request without much more experience across the board. However, I do think you need more research in adminhood and policies, you could start here. --Carbon Rodney 18:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
31. Oppose I was only leaning towards oppose based on my criteria, but the editor's actions (or inactions) since this RFA started have convinced me. He hasn't touched this page since 19 Feb, and it's not as if he's been so busy off-wiki that he doesn't have the time. He's still editing, and still without any edit summaries. Does he even remember that this RFA is in progress? I hate to pile on, but he's not paying attention and not ready. Dori (Talk • Contribs) 03:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
32. Oppose Not answering the optional questions isn't a reason to oppose, but is seldom a good reason to support. However, the answers that have been given don't imply to me an editor who has really thought this through or is familiar enough with core policy. --Ged UK (talk) 10:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
33. Oppose Fully agree with what has been said above. Keep working on your articles, slowly build up the policy knowledge and you'll improve immensely as an editor. ∗ \ / (⁂) 11:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
34. Oppose, No answers, no vote.Smallman12q (talk) 00:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
35. Oppose, I know you mean well, WWEYANKS52, but I think you will need a few more months of experience and a better understanding of the Misplaced Pages policies before you can become an admin. Sorry - Fastily (talk) 05:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
36. Stongly Suggest Withdrawl   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 09:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
37. Oppose per questions. Leujohn 10:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
38. Oppose: I am not enlightened by the answers to the questions or your editing history. seicer | talk | contribs 15:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral

You do great work in the mainspace, and I was close to supporting, but the lack of experience in admin-related areas is hard to overlook. For example, you've only participated in two deletion discussions. I'll be happy to support once you have a few months of experience in the project space. Cheers, –Juliancolton 21:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

1. Like many stated above, you are a good faith editor, but you lack experience in many Misplaced Pages areas. I recommend before nominating another RfA, improve your work on Misplaced Pages such as in WP:XFD and WP:ANI.--TRUCO 21:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Couldn't possibly oppose, but couldn't support with your lack of activity in admin areas. Please come back in a few months with some experience and I'd be happy to support pending no issues. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 22:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Neutral per Juliancolton. LittleMountain5 23:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   (The striked Neutral) LittleMountain5 00:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Moved to Oppose. LittleMountain5 00:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

3. Neutral. I agree with iMatthew here, but really such a scarce nomination and the fact you say you haven't experienced any conflicts doesn't bring up a good gut feeling about this RfA. You do have quite a good potential, but it seems you have yet to work on using it. Admiral Norton 23:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Neutral Would like to see questions answered at which point I'll decide.--Giants27 TC 00:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Moved to support.--Giants27 TC 02:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Neutral - I was supporting, but on second thoughts, I can't in good faith support this nomination without seeing some of the questions (particularly Q9) answered first. If they are, then hopefully I'll like the results enough to move me back to support. Robofish (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Moved to Oppose. Robofish (talk) 02:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

4. This, to me, is a very interesting RfA. Basically, we have a candidate who comes here with a great deal of experience in writing articles and decent experience with administrative work (albeit not to the extent of your typical successful RfA candidate). I am particularly impressed with him contributing over 600 articles to Misplaced Pages, and do not feel he will abuse or misuse the tools. That said, his answers to the standard RfA questions seriously turned me off at first glance. Those are the sort of answers one would generally expect from somebody who is new and has never encountered RfA beforehand, and thus would unlikely know how to use the tools. My opinions on each are as follows:

   • The answer to question one gives us a rough idea of what to expect from an editor if given sysop tools. A detailed, thorough answer that outlines every intended area the editor wishes to work is preferred, but by no means does it assure that the candidate will stick to those areas and perform flawlessly in them. A short, concise answer such as the one the candidate provides generally gives a negative impression upon reading; it suggests the editor is unfamiliar with the processes and basic policies that an administrator should ideally be fluent in. The candidate flatly stated an intention to block vandals and delete pages on new page patrol - there is no reason to assume the candidate will not do these things, and furthermore, there is no reason to assume that they will not do them properly. However, not mentioning things like AIV gives a pretence that it is possible they might not be familiar with things like how many warnings a vandal needs to receive before being blocked, or how long to block an IP address for, etc. It would seem this contributor has experience in new page patrol and appears to be fairly competent in the area (very few speedies declined) - another reassuring plus to working in that area is that they are article creators, so the deletionist stereotype that NPP's often receive is refuted in this instance. AfD work is... minimal. As is work in other adminly areas. They do not address an intent to work in those areas in their answer to Q1, yet we cannot assume they will not eventually branch off into other areas at some point or another. My gut feeling is that the candidate will not jump into areas they are inexperienced in right off the bat, and will ease in before becoming more and more active in the area; it does remain a concern that they have little activity in other admin areas, particularly AfD (their contributions there thus far are not inspiring).
   • I like the answer to question 2. It was honest, succint, and straight-forward. It illustrates the picture of a strong content contributor - and a look at their userpage and contributions verifies this for me. This is a good sign; content contributors are (on average) less likely to needlessly excalate ANI drama or "boldly block where no admin has blocked before". They are also more likely to understand how to empathize with article contributors whose new page they deleted. A content perspective is something that at least some of our admins should have.
   • Being in a conflict can have several different interpretations to various people, and can be either a positive or a negative in my book: on the one hand, an administrator should be familiar with the dispute resolution process, and not being involved in some sort of dispute (even as a third party) shows that the candidate might be lacking in this area. What are they to do if somebody came to them asking them to resolve a dispute, or intervene? But on the other hand, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a theatre (though policy wonks might see it differently), and I would much prefer our administrators to be people who avoid causing conflict and provoking drama when they are in an off mood. And while we are on the subject, how does one define a "conflict on Misplaced Pages" anyways? Should an admin have taken part in some sort of edit war; do we want our administrative population to be comprised of grizzled edit warriors - which the tools could potentially turn into wheel warriors? Or perhaps one would define a conflict as a heated discussion; maybe it would be better if we had admins who are reasonable and easy to talk with.

   The basic point is, it's hard to simply assess a candidate based on the answers to their questions - they could be indicative of various things. That said, the quality and thought that which they represent is telling, and leads me to believe that this candidate has sub-standard understanding of certain processes that an administrator absolutely must know. I cannot possibly allow myself to oppose this good-faith editor whom I trust would not abuse the tools; nor can I fully support, based on the notion that they might not be ready for the responsibility at this time. Master&Expert (Talk) 01:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Seconded Keegan 21:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

5. Neutral Commendable editorial input, but inadequate admin-related experience and unsatisfactory answers to the RfA questions. Pastor Theo (talk) 04:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
6. Neutral, I've not run into any red-flags that suggest you'll be a bad admin, but to be honest your vague answers to the questions combined with your lack of WP-space discussion means I can't really say you'll be a good admin either. I'm happy to support those that steer clear of the project-space parts of Misplaced Pages, but in their case I do ask for some reasonably enlightening question answers to demonstrate that you know our policies, you just choose not to get involved. ~ mazca 10:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
7. I do not think you have enough experience in the projectspace. Try checking out WP:ADMIN for administrative areas that admins participate in for experience. If you get this experience and run again, I will definitely support. Sorry, Malinaccier (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
8. Neutral - Your heart is in the right place but I don't think you are ready to be an admin. You pass quite a bit of my criteria - you are established, have a good history as a contributor, and attitude is fine. The main issue here is knowledge (k.c. 9), while I do not expect candidates to know everything about policies/guidelines/adminship they should have a reasonable grasp of the key parts, I am not convinced you do yet. I would also suggest making better use of edit summaries and the minor edit check box on the side note. Good luck. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.

Msgj

Nomination

Final (98/0/2); Closed by Rlevse at 20:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Nomination by Happy-melon

Msgj (talk · contribs) – I'm delighted to be able to continue my theme of encouraging template coders at RfA by nominating Msgj for adminship. I first encountered this surprisingly long-standing editor on and around Template talk:WPBannerMeta, where he has thrown an enormous amount of energy and enthusiasm behind updating WikiProject banners to use the latest template features. Throughout this occasionally-controversial process, I have not yet seen him anything less than completely civil and cautious, probably more so than my own approach; I have every reason to suspect that this attitude will continue to be a hallmark of his actions as an admin. His contributions to the development of the template itself have also been invaluable, and it will be of enormous benefit to have another pair of hands able to fix my screw-ups on protected templates :D. While investigating Msgj's contributions I also discovered his sterling work at Articles for Creation, a process he has been heavily involved with for some time, and a task which touches on a wide variety of administrative tasks and would benefit from a number of the admin tools. Overall, a committed and curteous editor who never ceases to amaze me. Happy‑melon 08:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Co-Nomination by Tnxman307

I'll keep this short, as HappyMelon has touched on many of Msgj's outstanding qualities. I first came across Msgj when I became involved in the Articles for Creation process. He has been a consistent contributor there, streamlining the submission process, updating the templates that AfC uses, and even expanding the scope of AfC by adopting Images for Upload (which had amassed a sizeable backlog). Msgj is also patient with new contributors, as evidenced by this conversation. A quick glance through the AfC talk page shows not only a dedicated, helpful editor, but an editor who is constantly looking for ways to encourage new contributors and improve the quality of the encyclopedia. I've known Msgj for several months now and am sure that if given the bit, he will continue with his terrific work. TNXMan 17:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Candidate acceptance

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

Thank you for the generous words. I am happy to accept. Martin 19:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I would aim to help with any administrative tasks where help is needed or where backlogs occur. There are some areas where I feel my experience here will allow me to get involved immediately, and other areas where I would need to go slowly, tread carefully, and read up on all the policies before acting as an admin. The areas with which I could probably help straightaway include: CAT:EP, WP:RM, and WP:RFPP. Although I don't have a vast experience of working with WP:CSD I am familiar with the criteria and could also help out there occasionally.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: As my nominators have mentioned, my best contributions are undoubtedly connected with my work at WikiProject Articles for creation. I can't remember how I first became involved with this project, but got hooked and genuinely enjoy reviewing articles and giving editors advice on creating articles which meet our guidelines for inclusion. In my opinion this project is of enormous benefit to Misplaced Pages, by facilitating the creation of quality new articles, educating new editors, and of course by rejecting the large number of inappropriate articles that are submitted. I must have reviewed a good thousand submissions by now I reckon. With the hard work and dedication of our reviewers we eliminated the huge backlog that developed in past years and now rarely have any backlog at all.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: To be honest there are no conflicts which have become at all heated, mainly because I don't let them. This is only a hobby after all. When a discussion is becoming contentious I will tend to withdraw for some time or ask the advice of others. Nothing needs to be hurried here and things can normally be sorted out more easily if both parties have had time to reflect.

Optional questions from Aitias

4. Is there any circumstance in which you would delete a page despite a Hangon tag?

A. Yes, sure. A well-written hangon tag would make me think twice and consider allowing more time. But there are situations (e.g. blatant copyright violation, attack page, etc.) when it wouldn't make any difference and the page should be deleted immediately.

5. What would your personal standards be on granting and removing rollback?

A. I don't think I will have any hard-and-fast rules, but will be happy to grant rollback to any user who has been editing here for at least a few weeks and whose contributions cause me no concern. I would not hesitate to remove rollback from a user to whom I had granted the right if I saw them misusing it. If it was another admin who had granted the right I would, out of courtesy, likely bring it to their attention to deal with if possible.

6. Under what circumstances may a non-free photograph of a living person be used on Misplaced Pages?

A. This is explained in the non-free content guideline. A picture of a living person may not be used unless it can be argued that no new (free) photograph could serve the same purpose as the non-free one. Other conditions would need to be met as well; for example, the picture could only be used in mainspace.

7. An IP vandalises a page. You revert the vandalism and give the IP a final warning on its talk page. After that the IP vandalises your userpage. Summarising, the IP was sufficiently warned and vandalised (your userpage) after a final warning. Would you block the IP yourself or rather report it to WP:AIV? Respectively, would you consider blocking the IP yourself a conflict of interest?

A. Assuming there is no history of past interactions with this user, I don't believe there would be a conflict of interest in blocking them in this case. I do not own my userpage and so the fact that it is my userpage makes little difference. I would act in the same way regardless of whether it was my userpage, someone else's, or an article.

8. Under what circumstances, if any, would you block a user without any warnings?

A. Very rarely. A highly offensive and inappropriate username would be one circumstance. Behaviour which was completely off the scale for incivility and/or racism would be another possible situation. I would need to be confident that warnings wouldn't make any difference, and that the user was unlikely ever to make constructive edits.

Optional questions from User:Carlossuarez46

9a. A user creates a page for a web-company and the contents are no more than a link to its website and {{underconstruction}}, and another user tags it for speedy deletion; how long in its current state of construction would it be before you decided to grant the speedy deletion request?

9b. Would your answer be different if there were no link to its website, and the contents were only the underconstruction template; if so, what say you?

A. I'm bunching these two together because I think they are not significantly different. Essentially we have an article which is bereft of useful content. It probably meets criteria A3 and A7 and so technically could be deleted. However we want to avoid biting this user and we should give them a chance to create the article which, who knows, may some day be listed as a featured article. Having said that, I wouldn't wait long - I think waiting an hour would be more than generous in this case, and if it still met the criteria then I would delete it and explain why.

Q's from flaminglawyer

10. In your own words, no copy-pasting: Explain the core principles of blocks and bans. Also, explain the distinction between the two. Also, include a real-life analogy between the two.

A. A block is a means by which we can use the software to stop someone editing the encyclopedia. A ban is a formal revocation of editing rights by the community. A real-life analogy? Hmm. A block is a pair of handcuffs; a ban is a jury verdict?

11. Do you consider yourself to be knowledgeable/experienced in/on the majority of WP policy? What could you do to improve your experience/knowledge in the areas in which you lack?

A. I am familiar with the policies and guidelines in the areas in which I have worked. My AfC work has given me experience in a lot of the core policies (e.g. WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:OR, ...) and recently I have been working with IfU which has filled in some gaps (WP:IUP, WP:NFC, ...). Naturally there are areas which I am not familar with (to pick a random example, I have very little idea about what an open proxy is) and if the time came when I did choose to work in these areas, I would of course read up on the policy beforehand!

Question from Seddon

12. What is your favourite piece of classical music, and why?

A. This is actually the hardest question yet :) I couldn't put my finger on one piece but I was lucky enough to see Alfred Brendel last year. He was playing all sorts (Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, ...) and it was mesmerising. I do enjoy classical music from to time, but it tends to be folk that gets the blood flowing for me.

Humourous, optional K50 Questions

13. Write a haiku about your contributions to Misplaced Pages

A. 大全を　書く読む事が　楽しいね。 (With apologies to any Japanese speakers for the pain inflicted by my basic Japanese.)

14. What WP:CSD criteria would best meet the Main Page, in your opinion?

A. As the main page is not an article but is located in article space, it is clearly in the wrong namespace and could be deleted as a G6 technical deletion. Although this is a humourous answer to a humourous question, I do support the argument that the main page would reside more appropriately in the portal namespace.

Optional questions from Uncle G

15. Posit that it is the 26th. What would you do upon encountering the following discussions, and what would your rationale be?

1. Old revision of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marketing with meaning
2. Old revision of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Three Faiths Forum
3. Old revision of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Fabiana Jones

A: With the caveat that I have not had an enormous amount of experience at AfD and so do not intend to rush into closing these discussions, I will do my best at answering the question. (I have converted the links to permanent links of the version at the time the question was posted, to be clear about which version is being discussed.)

1. This one is a close call, but I find User:Arsenikk's comment extremely helpful and persuasive. The main argument for keeping the article was based on the number of google hits. But until a new term becomes widely used it is just a neologism and does not belong in an encyclopedia. This discussion could be relisted, but it is unlikely to attract any more comments as well thought out as Arsenikk's. My conclusion is to delete.
2. The consensus is to keep. As several editors have pointed out, although the article is currently not written in a neutral tone, it is far from an advertisement. It is lacking in reliable sources (with just one currently) but a quick web search shows me that there are several other likely sources available to establish the notability of this forum.
3. As there are no comments except the nominator's, this one should be relisted to give more people a chance to participate and hopefully reach a consensus.

General comments

• Links for Msgj: Msgj (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Msgj before commenting.

Discussion

• For anyone wondering why the proportion of my contributions to the Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages Talk namespaces are relatively high, that would be my AfC work which mainly occurs in these namespaces. Martin 20:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• As I will not be sending thankspam I would like to thank in advance anyone who contributes to this discussion. Martin 20:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Tell me I didn't start this by using  Works for me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliancolton (talk • contribs)
  • User:Wadester16/YourFault... with many thanks. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk 18:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Err, I'm sure we can both get slices of the blame pie. Something about m:Voting is evil, I think. 18:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilyD (talk • contribs)
• For anyone still trying to get in on the post-a-pointless-box-with-my-vote deal, see Category:Image with comment templates for some ideas. flaminglawyer 01:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Support

1. Support -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Strong Support Having worked with him at AFC and knowing what a good job he does over there, I have no problems supporting.--Giants27 TC 20:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
3.  Works for me –Juliancolton 20:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
4. Support. Large number of edits on many different pages. Seems helpful and friendly at AFC. Be on the lookout for both "MSGJ" and "Martin" in sigs, guys. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Yeah, I changed my signature a few months ago. Thought "Martin" sounded more personal than MSGJ! Martin 20:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

5. Support Can't find anything disturbing. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
6. Support Looks real good from my quick review. Noms are very persuasive as well. Helpful established editor. I like the help the creation of articles emphasis. Strong trust Msgj will be a good reliable admin. --NrDg 20:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
7. Support Very good editor, and useful in many different parts of WP. No concerns here. FlyingToaster 20:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
8. At last I can do it without fear of my talkpage and watchlist being flooded with AWB template crap ;-)--Patton 20:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
9. Support - Looks good to me, no reason not to.--Res2216firestar 21:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
10.  Works for me - Proud to be #10. Msgj should do good with the tools. :-) --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 21:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
11. Support - A weird username, but I can see that he is a worthy candidate. Simon 21:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

    For more on weird or interesting usernames, see User:Radiant!/Classification of admins. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

    Haha, interesting page. These are my initials. Sorry if it's weird; I didn't choose them ;) Martin 23:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

12. Support - iMatthew // talk // 21:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
13. Support Unless I missed something appalling, this user should do quite well where they wish to work. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 21:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
14. Support Based on my experiences with Martin, mainly at AfC. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
15. Support - speedy tagging looks generally good. Not afraid of PROD, AFD - which results in a lot less errors. probably could've been stubbed rather than speedied, but that's the clostest I can find to a bad choice, which isn't bad at all. WilyD 22:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
16. Pile-on support - don't see any problems here. Seems a highly productive user, who should make a good admin. Robofish (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
17. Support. Fully qualified candidate, no concerns. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
18. Support - a civil editor to the community, will do good with the tools.--TRUCO 23:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
19. Support Looks good. LittleMountain5 00:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
20. Support - I trist MSGJ, and hopes that he does good at adminship. Xclamation point 00:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
21. Support - As long as you promise to push the big red button. — neuro 00:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
22. What's with the weird symbols? NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 00:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    Ssh! I didn't understand, but I carried on the bloody thing. That's the key, man. — neuro 00:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    Too many symbols → Facepalm –Juliancolton 01:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    Facepalm Facepalm (always wanted to make that my reply to a facepalm. :P --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 02:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

23. Checkuser is not for fishing I mean, support. RyanGerbil10(Four more years!) 01:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    CheckUser?! o_O Might as well do User:Juliancolton/Faces or or or or ∞... --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 01:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    And  The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says: says... NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 05:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

     IP blocked,  CheckUser is not magic pixie dust,  CheckUser is not a crystal ball,  Clerk assistance requested:,  Confirmed,  Likely,  Possible,  Unlikely,  Unrelated,  Additional information needed. --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 13:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    That's just greedy... :D Happy‑melon 08:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

24. Support w/o graphic, but with question - Happy-melon screws up? :O —Ed 17 01:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Was that a full sentence? :| — neuro 01:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
      • It's one that no doubt would give Noam Chomsky hours of fun. Uncle G (talk) 16:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
25. Nothing to suggest this user will misuse or abuse the tools. Master&Expert (Talk) 01:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
26. Support Good luck! Pastor Theo (talk) 02:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
27. . We need more template coders. Review of some contributions looks good. More later as needed. Protonk (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
28. Dlohcierekim 02:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
29. Support - As co-nom. TNXMan 02:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
30. Support. Bizarre-looking RFA, but the candidate is far from bizarre. Quite a bit of experience, good answers to questions, has a handle on policies and procedures. Useight (talk) 03:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
31. Absolute support seen user around WP:AFC and has had good experience with user. LegoKTM 05:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
32. Support Have seen around and always in a good way - low drama quotient and solid worker. Orderinchaos 05:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
33. This user has a clue support Looks like a clean past, clueful user, and will be a good addition to the admin cohort. And don't even think about facepalming me :-) ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk 07:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    Facepalm :P --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 15:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

34. Support - clueful editor and per past interactions Matt (Talk) 07:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
35. Support, looks like an excellent candidate who has made a major contribution to Misplaced Pages and could make an even better one with additional tools. No concerns noted. Imagine this vote has a large, flashing, explicit image with it just to upstage the various icons above. ~ mazca 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
36. Note: Decorate this RFA more, then take a break, eat some cheese and..... Huh? What? Oh, right.. Support, per above. :) Colourful RFA, by the way. :P --Knowzilla 12:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
37. Support I see no problem with this user (although I am wondering why his RfA attracts the childish behavior above ) SoWhy 12:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
38. Support Looks good to me. — Aitias // discussion 13:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
39. Support, can't see any reason not to. Stifle (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
40. Support User has been around since Feb 2004 and outstanding track.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
41. Strong support the candidate, neutral on above graphics. Wizardman 17:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
42. Support per answers to questions, clearly recognizes that WP is not a webhost and the undercontruction template does not create a homestead here. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
43.  Works for me No reasons not to support this user at this time. Razorflame 18:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
44. Support - helper of article creation and various experiences? Good to go for adminship. --Caspian blue 18:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
45. Support - has clue, will travel. Ironholds (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
46. Support No issue. America69 (talk) 19:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
47. Oppose. Answers to questions suggest user is a sock of Geometry guy. Support. My first interactions were in disagreement with Msgj and was impressed by the response. Apart from his great contributions, editors who handle disagreement well are exactly the kind of admins Misplaced Pages needs. Geometry guy 20:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
48. Majorly talk 22:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
49. Support as candidate meets User:A_Nobody#RfA_Standards by having barnstars on userpage, no blocks, and due to no memorable negative interactions elsewhere. Wow, unanimous so far? Is that rare? Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
50. Support - I feel comfortable entrusting this user with the responsibilities of adminship. kilbad (talk) 03:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
51. Oi, who stopped using the silly vote templates? This level of seriousness cannot be tolerated :D. Accordingly, I shall at this point take the opportunity to say how  Great! I think this candidate is... Happy‑melon 08:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
52. Shupport ...who among us can't be pleased by a friendly set of handcuffs? (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 12:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
53. Support - I don't often bother with a support in the 50-0 RFAs (maybe it's a natural aversion to running up the score), but the response to #10 is just great. Absolutely outstanding. --B (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
54. Support Clearly a trustworthy and knowledgeable candidate. Rje (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
55. Support Candidate shows strong knowledge of policy and civil interaction with others users. --J.Mundo (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
56. Support. The amount of colorful images in this section lead me to support! (Well, not really… mostly because the candidate is trustworthy and all.) DiverseMentality 20:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
57. ↑, ↓, ←, →, A+Start.... Oh, I mean Support, obviously. I'm sure Martin will do fine. Gazimoff 21:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    Get it right, dammit! It's ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A Start! MuZemike 04:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

58. Divided between Support and Strong Support α§ʈάt̪íňέ-210 00:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
59. Strong Support first time I didn't dig as deep into edit history - answers to questions are the best I've seen yet. Very solid concept of what this site is about. — Ched (talk) 03:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
60. Support. Very constructive. -- Mentifisto 03:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
61. Support Yes, please. MuZemike 04:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
62. Heading RIGHT to WP:100 supports support... What's with the smilies? K50 Dude ROCKS! 05:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
63. Support I fully support this editor gaining access to the mop. I Grave Rob (talk) 07:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
64. Support Knowledgeable. Experienced. Worthy. ←Spidern→ 16:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
65. Rejected ... I mean support, per my RfA criteria. Foxy Loxy 22:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
66. Support The answers to the questions were spot-on and you seem very responsible. Also, Brendel's Mozart is laced with gold, so no argument there! Themfromspace (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
67. Support. Born to be an admin :) —Eustress 06:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
68. Support Looks like one of the ‘good guys’ to me - I'm sure he'll make a great administrator :) -- Marek.69 07:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
69. Support. A no brainer. Good luck, Msgj! Malinaccier (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

    Support Reasons: 1.) the editor who nominated. 2.) The answers to questions. 3.) The edits I've seen by the candidate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ched Davis (talk • contribs) (voted once already - sorry)— Ched (talk) 11:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

70. Support I can see no good reason why this candidate cannot have the mop. ArcAngel (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
71. Support I've encountered this editor before; seems trustworthy. Rosiestep (talk) 02:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
72. Support Well qualified. -download | sign! 05:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
73. Support Solution happy, minimal ego overload. --KP Botany (talk) 06:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
74. Support, although taking up Majorly's challenge below, I see that you are somewhat vague about your folk music tastes. If you are a fan of The Incredibles I think we should be told :) Ben MacDui 10:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
75. Support Positive interaction on WP:AFC. Very kind user.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 15:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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    Extreme folk-rock support. — CharlotteWebb 17:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
77. Support -- Avi (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
78. Support Looks good to me. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 19:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
79. Support One of the best candidates I've seen. NSH001 (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
80. Support. —_macy 22:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
81. Support. Good editor. --Carioca (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
82. — Jake Wartenberg 00:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
83. This user is always striving to improve wikipedia. Seraphim♥ 00:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
84. Support Excellent user and outstanding editor. Good luck Letsdrinktea (talk) 03:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
85. Support per non-wimpy answers to the questions and demonstrated history of encyclopedia building. Jclemens (talk) 05:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
86. Strong Support Can see this user becoming a very good admin :) Aaroncrick 07:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
87. Support: Dedicated, intelligent, will ask when he's not certain. Maedin\ 12:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
88. Support - Yes you are a good candidate, you meet my criteria with no trouble. You should make a good admin. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
89. Support per everything I see here and in the user's actions. Timmeh! 22:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
90. Strong Support Perhaps won't make a perfect admin, but we need more, and he'll do good. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 23:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
91. Support - No concerns. EdJohnston (talk) 06:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
92. マーチンよ、大志をいだけ！ Dekimasuよ! 06:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
93. Support – looks good, especially the template-coding credentials. It Is Me Here 07:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
94. Support Excessive icons on the support page notwithstanding (and obviously not really relevant to my thinking!) this is a clearly experienced editor who gave some really good answers to the questions. --Ged UK (talk) 11:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
95. Support - Yep! AdjustShift (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
96. Support — JoJo • Talk • 16:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
97. Support – TheLeftorium 17:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
98. Support - Great editor, polite to rude people on user talk, lots of backstage work already.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

#Oppose This section is looking unnaturally empty. A candidate cannot go unopposed ;) Majorly talk 22:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral

1.  Later The number of edits in 2004 scares me a bit; wikiholics have been known to be infamous admins... :) I'll wait for an answer to my Q's before finalizing this, but my gut tells me to go neutral (as usual) and I think that's where I'll stay based upon my prediction of his answers to my questions. flaminglawyer 01:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Yep,  Confirmed neutral. Answer to Q10 is less than stellar and a bit terse. A for Q11 is good; admitting that you have a problem is the first step in solving it. flaminglawyer 02:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

   Neutral (Change to support, no joke on that). Sorry to ruin the party, but I must say that this game with the graphics in the support section has thrown me back (I know this is no the candidate fault). Grating sysop privilege is a serious business with long standing implication for the project. I don't know the candidate, so I rely in the support section as one of the resources to learn about the candidate standing with the community. I will wait until I see more substantial support arguments for this candidate. --J.Mundo (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Shouldn't that be Neutral? :D To set joking aside, however, do you really think that any of the editors who have supported above did so purely so they could use a comment template? That they would not have done so otherwise? I think you do them a disservice to believe that if you remove the humourous graphics you are not left with an evaluation of the candidate's merits like any other RfA. And I am extremely glad that this discussion has moved in the direction of lightheartedness rather than towards the flaming pits of burning sulphur that too many RfAs have of late become. :D Happy‑melon 17:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   No offence intended, but you should never, never rely on the comments of the supporters/opposers/neuters. Check their diffs, investigate the candidate yourself. WilyD 17:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   I don't rely only on the comments. Again, sorry if I don't have a sense of humor but grating the power to block, protect, and delete should not be a lightheartedness process. I don't think that editors that supported the candidate did so just to use the graphics, but they do a disservice to the discussion and to the candidate by filling this discussion with graphic junk. But I'm aware that my observation is not about the candidate potential, so I will stop and review the candidate's past performance. --J.Mundo (talk) 17:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

2. Neutral I do not support a potential administrator, or any user for that matter, having a signature that does not match his or her actual username. Keepscases (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Why not? I'm more curious than anything else... Happy‑melon 17:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   It's totally confusing, of course. If there is a user named "Martin", he will be thought of as an administrator should this RfA pass. And no one will remember the real administrator's account name. Keepscases (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   It's a fair point and something I'll keep in mind. As I mentioned above I changed my signature because I felt that "Martin" was more personal, and I think this is important especially as I often deal with new users in my work. I was first welcomed by User:UtherSRG in 2004 and I remember wondering at the time whether this was a real person writing to me or some computer program, which is probably why I never replied to his message! Martin 19:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   You could try something like Martin. Just a thought. Geometry guy 20:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Nice suggestion. It works for me. Martin 22:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   You have my support for administrator, I'm just going to leave my neutral so people will notice it and think about it, because I have seen a lot of signatures lately that don't match usernames at all and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Keepscases (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   It will still show up if it's indented.... Dekimasuよ! 06:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Amalthea

Nomination

Final (98/4/2); Ended Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:04:29 (UTC)

Amalthea (talk · contribs) – I've been watching Amalthea for close to two months now when SoWhy and I were independently looking at his edits wondering why he wasn't an admin. Amalthea is truly a unique candidate for me... he came to my attention as result of my foray into CSD, where I became EXTREMELY impressed with his work. When I realized that SoWhy was also reviewing his edits, I asked Amalthea, I've actually been reviewing your edits for the past hour or two with the same thought in mind, why aren't you an admin? At the time, there was a very strong push for article building at RfA, and this is Amathea's weak area. While he has contributed to a number of articles, he can't point to scores of GAs/FAs or even DYKs, but he does work on articles as he stumbles upon them. Why do we really want people who have experience building articles? Well, I look for it because I want somebody who knows what it feels like to be on the other end of a speedy deletion or an over eager tagger. Article building is often seen as a measure of "this person understands the reality of contributing to the project."

Amalthea may not have as much experience as some might like in "Building the Encyclopedia," (not to say that he doesn't help build it) but his edits and his approach clearly shows somebody who understands what our principle purpose is all about and has plenty of clue. Amalthea is always willing to assume good faith and is always very civil.

I've been watching him for two months now, and I'm convinced that Amalthea has what it takes to be a great asset as an admin.---I'm Spartacus! 06:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Co-nomination by SoWhy

I am pleased that my very first co-nomination is Amalthea. I know the phrase "I thought he already was an admin" is used quite liberally these days but this is a genuine case of it. I was fooled thrice by his great comments and contributions, each time checking his userpage - each time being surprised that he was no admin. The third time, I decided to ask him why that is and he was surprised I found him suitable. I think that counts as modesty, as you will soon see.

Amalthea may not be a perfect content creator but rather more of a WikiGnome. But he is none of those who cannot create - once challengend, he easily got a DYK for a new article (and he said it felt good, so I guess we can see more content creation from him). So yes, this candidate is not an article creating robot...but he sure knows how to do it and he certainly knows the value of content creation.

Amalthea's more active areas are CSD and the deletion processes. He is one of the few non-admin regulars at WT:CSD, providing CLUEfully to those discussions and he proved his knowledge of policy over and over again. He has more than 80% deletion at the AfDs he nominated and provides good arguments to delete articles.Most of the times where it was kept, he either withdrew himself , , , or just fell victim to his helpfulness by nominating an article for someone else. Only a single article was kept against his nomination, which I think proves he is pretty knowledgeable (nobody is perfect after all).

Amalthea is friendly and helpful on his talk page, where I have seen many users asking for his help. He has a high number of Twinkle-edits but while some may see such edits as something negative if too many, Amalthea is actually improving Twinkle, not merely using it. His Barnstar-honored™ work improves Twinkle for the benefit of us all (except those like me who prefer Huggle^^).

So, for the WP:TLDR-crowd: Amalthea is a dedicated, friendly and helpful user who works many areas and giving him the mop will benefit us all a great deal. Regards SoWhy 20:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. --Amalthea 12:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: The areas I plan to work in right away are CSD and to a lesser extent AfD. I'm very familiar with the speedy deletion policy, and even though we don't have a backlog at AfD at the moment, I can help out there if one were to build up again. I've also started assisting Ioeth maintaining Twinkle lately. It would be helpful if I could edit the scripts directly, and wouldn't need to ask Ioeth to make changes for me.
I know what I know, and I know what I don't know, so when I'll eventually ease myself into other admin areas I'll know what to read, who to watch and who to ask until I feel confident enough to press any other buttons there.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: I have recently written an article I'm quite proud of. I did this mostly because I myself would expect it from an RfA candidate, to show that I am here to work constructively even though the admin areas I mentioned above are mostly focused on deleting things.
My main purpose here has been to maintain the existing content, which I believe is just as important by now as creating new content. That includes fact-checking new additions and adding references, cleaning up after vandals, and comparing both old and new articles with our inclusion criteria.
I've also helped a number of new users with their first steps and articles here, and worked on some of the behind-the-scenes things, e.g. the CSD notification templates.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: After mistaking a disruptive edit for vandalism and undoing/reverting thrice I was only-warned by Tiptoety for edit warring, three months ago. The two 3RR reports can be found here, and this is the exchange I had with Tiptoety afterwards. I have certainly learned from it to be more considerate with disruptive, but not vandalistic edits.
Other than that there were only minor differences, all of which can be found in my archive.

Optional question from CrispMuncher

4. Are you familiar with WP:EGG, and do you feel that your answers above reflect it?

A: The Manual of Style applies to articles, and being intuitive about links and their targets is of most importance there, especially if there is information in the link target itself that is hidden with a piped link.
I haven't been conscious about this in my communication with editors so far, as evident above. I agree that it is generally helpful to follow this guideline wherever one can, to ease communication, and will try to keep it in mind. However, outside article space there are certainly situations where such a link is appropriate, not the least of which is for comedic effect.
This really is a general web authoring guideline, linking anything with a "here" title has been frowned upon for quite some time. --Amalthea 00:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Q's from flaminglawyer

5. In your own words, no copy-pasting: What's the difference between a block and a ban? Also, include a real-life analogy between the two.

A. A block is a technical restriction to prevent an anonymous or registered account from editing. A ban is a social interdiction, directed at a person.
Real life analogy ... a person can be banned from a pub either by a general feeling of the customers (community consensus), by the spokespeople of the customers (Arbcom), by the owners of the building (Foundation) or by the guy who had the idea to open up the bar in the first place (Jimbo). To enforce the ban, there might by a bouncer at the door (the block) to prevent the person from entering. They might still sneak in disguised (Sock), but if found out will be quickly thrown out by the bouncer. Sometimes, if a customer is thrown out one night for being particularly disruptive, they might be coming back to the back door (their talk page) and ask the waiters (admins) to let them back in ({{unblock}}). If no one is willing to tell the bouncers to allow the person back in however, they are effectively banned too. --Amalthea 00:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

6. How often (if ever) do you contribute to/express your views at RfA? What are your personal standards for what a person should have to be an admin?

A. I've hardly ever given an opinion at an RfA; I've supported two and opposed three candidates (two of them NOTNOWs). My standards are highly subjective, and comparatively very high I think. I'm looking for trust that an editor will try their best to always act in a way that improves Misplaced Pages. Judging such trust requires that I know an editor pretty well, either from regularly crossing their path or from a long look into their contributions. --Amalthea 00:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Optional questions from OrangeMarlin

7. Please explain the difference between NPOV and science in medical and science articles?

A: First off, I haven't read any of the related RfCs, arbitration cases and rulings, and wasn't involved in any of the disputes. I also think that this is an editorial question, not an administrative one, and there is obviously no clear-cut answer with which everyone agrees here.
After thinking about this for a while I'd say that articles about scientific topics should be dominated by information based on accepted scientific research, i.e. by consensus of the science community. Neutral and verifiable information about alternative views (i.e. not based on scientific research) should be in appropriate sections or separate articles. This is doubly valid with medical articles, where such information can be actively hurtful.
I say "accepted scientific research" because I'm convinced that there are studies around that "prove" that urine therapy helps fight cancer, just as there are studies "proving" that cigarettes aren't causing lung cancer. Unless such studies are accepted in the scientific community, they mustn't be used to build an article on a scientific topic, and should at best be mentioned with the appropriate care and distance. --Amalthea 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

8. Please state how you intend to manage situations where civil, but POV-pushing editors are in conflict with NPOV specifically in science and medical articles.

A: If it's a civil conflict then it is a question of dispute resolution, an area where I'm not going to seek involvement, and where I do not feel particularly qualified since I've only tried to mediate in very minor conflicts before. Knowing this I had already put WP:New admin school/Dealing with disputes on my reading list.
So, my short, sufficient, but cheap answer is that I intend not to. If you want to force me into such a situation I'd appreciate a more tangible example. --Amalthea 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

9. Do you have any experience or knowledge in the various medical and science articles on this project?

A: My second edit ever was a revert at Selection algorithm, and might be the extent of my contributions to scientific articles. Possibly some others, but nothing concerted. My expertise lies with computer science and software engineering, and I have some knowledge in Mathematics and Physics. --Amalthea 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Optional questions from Shapiros10

10. What is your view on underage editors on Misplaced Pages, not as admin candidates but contributors in general?

A: My view is that maturity is more important than age, and that all we should judge and can judge are the contributions themselves. We should remember that the immature contributor of today could be the mature and valuable contributor of tomorrow. If we drive a good-faithed, but thoroughly unhelpful editor away with harsh messages or even a rushed block we might hurt Misplaced Pages in the long run. --Amalthea 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

11. In your opinion, is featured content something that should be required in an admin candidate? If so, how much?

A: I wouldn't be here if I thought that. --Amalthea 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Optional questions from Deacon of Pndapetzim

12. Why do you think enforcement of WP:BLP is exempted from the 3-Revert Rule but WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:VER, and WP:IAR aren't?

A: Only reverting the addition of "libellous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced controversial material" from WP:BLP is exempted, not all of BLP, and that's the reason right there: having such material in pages is potentially very harmful for the people involved and puts Misplaced Pages in legal jeopardy. If it stays up for too long there's a higher chance that it will be seen, mirrored or cached.
With biased, unsourced or unverifiable material on other topics the time can be taken to discuss it if it is disputed, i.e. if the "bold, revert, discuss" principle fails.
WP:IAR is, by definition, potentially exempted, but I can't think of an example where consensus would find Misplaced Pages to be "improved" in such a case. --Amalthea 11:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

13. Would unprovable but likely off-wiki co-ordination change your evaluation of WP:CONSENSUS on a particular article?

A: While consensus is not a vote, numbers do factor in. If I think that stealth canvassing has likely occurred (through the duck test, for example) then this will of course be part of my evaluation of consensus. --Amalthea 11:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

14. Does the content of a policy page constitute proof of wikipedia policy? How would you prove or interpret a particular piece of alleged "wikipedia policy" when the content of its WP-space article is or could be under dispute?

A: The content of a policy page does not always equal policy, so the policy page is not necessarily sufficient proof. Policy is determined by consensus, but a policy page could have been changed unilaterally, against consensus or current practice.
Applying a disputed policy (in the sense that a previous consensus clearly is no longer valid, and no new consensus was found) is difficult. At times, an at least temporary solution can be found via common sense. Sometimes, like with date-delinking currently, inaction can be the best course. If by "could be under dispute" you mean that there is previous consensus for a particular issue but it is currently being challenged then it's a judgment call. If the previous consensus seems still to be valid then that should be applied, but as always common sense has priority. --Amalthea 11:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Optional question from Smallman12q

15. If an anonymous IP requested to be permanently blocked, how would you respond?

A: I would ask them for their reasons. We do not block accounts or IPs upon a simple request. If they for example claim to represent a school's administration I will ask them to send an e-mail to OTRS from an official school e-mail address, and repeat the request in it. --Amalthea 11:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

16. What does it mean to assume good faith?

A: To always assume that the motives of editors are constructive and helpful, and that their edits are made in that spirit, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary. In a way, it's Misplaced Pages's version of The Golden Rule. --Amalthea 22:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

General comments

• Links for Amalthea: Amalthea (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Amalthea before commenting.

Discussion

• We could use more gnome admins. Amalthea checks out as A. OK, in my book. Personally, I've become a gnome myself... →Dyl@n620 14:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Support

1. Support Certainly. — Aitias // discussion 12:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Support pending no problems discovered by anyone else. I haven't got the time to check right now, but I fully trust both nominators and every encounter I've had with Amalthea in the past was fine. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 12:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
3. Support - Helpful and clueful, two things that make for an excellent admin. Richard 12:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
4. Support of course. :) Though I'd ask SoWhy to get the admin-highlighter or something. ;) PeterSymonds (talk) 13:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

   I considered that but like the username highlighter, it does not work with most people's signatures. ;-) SoWhy 13:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

5. Support a good candidate. --Kanonkas :  Talk  13:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
6. Co-nominator support. Wish I could make it stronger than that ;-) SoWhy 13:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
7. Strong Support 9,000 edits, no blocks, sensible user page and I get a very good feel from the talk page. WereSpielChequers 13:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Reviewed the RFA per various relevant threads and upgrading to strong support. WereSpielChequers 01:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

   It's over 9,000, actually. –Juliancolton 15:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

8. Yep.  GARDEN  13:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
9. Support No problems here. Good luck! Pastor Theo (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
10. Support. Will be a good admin. -- Mentifisto 13:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
11. Support No reason to oppose.--Giants27 TC 13:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
12. Support I think that Cyclonenim said it best. Sam 13:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
13. Support. Amalthea has demonstrated their trustworthiness and will make an excellent admin. Rje (talk) 13:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
14. Support - thought Amalthea was already, actually. //roux   14:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
15. Support - no reason not to. –Juliancolton 15:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
16. Support On strength of nom statements and my review of CSD work makes me think user knows it's better to improve than delete. Not that the candidate lacks empathy, but I've never seen empathy as a requirement for recognizing CSD candidates-- the template messages exist for a reason, in so far as the feelings involved are concerned. Nor have I seen a connection between being a super article creator and understanding what it's like to have your first article deleted per CSD. (Kinda lack a slap in the face, if no one bothers to let you know why. Like I said, those template messages exist for a reason.) Dlohcierekim 15:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
17. SoWhyNot --Tikiwont (talk) 15:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

    :) - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

18. Support: Seen him around Wiki numerous times, always well impressed. — R 15:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
19. Strong support. Many contribs like this one that show precise, broad, guideline- and policy-based knowledge about what does and doesn't belong in Misplaced Pages articles. The lack of extensive work on "his own" articles is not a problem for me; in fact, I'm more impressed that this editor is confident enough to apply what he knows to other people's articles, especially people who need a helping hand starting out. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

    If I may, this is actually a rather sensitive situation, tied in with this ANI report. I'm not usually that verbose when it comes to discuss myspace and facebook links. In this case however I'm happy that the editor in question has started to discuss at all. --Amalthea 16:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

20. Support, decent all-round editor. --Aqwis (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
21. Support, seems fine. Stifle (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
22. "Thought he was already" indeed. I was surprised to see their name up here. Give this guy the mop and be done with it. Master&Expert (Talk) 16:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
23. Support User has been around since September 2005 and great track.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
24. Weak support. Support as candidate has never been blocked and per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tony Cunningham (Tony & Friends) (deleting per lack of verifiability is indeed the right call; however, one bit of caution is that WP:N is NOT our “inclusion guidelines” plural. We have multiple inclusion guidelines. Notice that Misplaced Pages:Inclusion guidelines is a red link and where Misplaced Pages:Inclusion criteria redirects to (some place other WP:N. And WPN is currently disputed in terms of should it be demoted, renamed, etc.), but neutral per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ugnaughts (a call to merge is not unreasonable, but subsequent reply to another editor cites WP:FICT, which is of course a disputed essay) and per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ssi-Ruuk (again, merge not totally unreasonable, but well, y'all know how I stand...). Anyway, almost meets User:A_Nobody#RfA_Standards, so weak support. Happy Valentine's Day! Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
25. Support - without question. J.delanoy_adds 17:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
26. Strongly: I've interacted with Amalthea on more than one occasion, and my interactions have always been positive. Amalthea is an excellent editor, is a good voice in discussion, and a friendly person. Had I been more aware of them being interested in becoming an admin, I would have been a nominator. Acalamari 18:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
27. Support - Don't remember where I encountered this editor, but the interaction was good IIRC. Reviewed contribution history, edit count, block log, etc. and it seems to satisfy my personal criteria. Could use more article work though. -- Ynhockey 18:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
28. Support - I trust this editor & welcome the inevitable pax wikipedia his adminship would surely usher in. Incidentally, his account was created on 9/11... I'll be working on my conspiracy theory in sandbox. FlyingToaster 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
29. Support - Very nice. Trust BM when it comes to someone wanting to work in CSD. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 19:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
30. Support. Good editor. --Carioca (talk) 19:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
31. Support. Have come across this editor before and liked him. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 19:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
32. Hell Yeah. What started off as a indifferent and distracted search through talk pages and contributions to get an idea of who this candidate is quickly just left me with the question "Why has nobody nominated this editor before now?" Trusilver 20:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
33. Support Icewedge (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
34. Support Should make a good admin, any time I have seen Amalthea around my impression has been positive. Davewild (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
35. Strong support - All the way. Dedicated contributor, any every time I have seen them they have constantly had a positive and productive effect on the discussion. I trust Amalthea with the tools, and therefore support. :) — neuro 22:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
36. Looks good. Best of luck, Amalthea. Malinaccier (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
37. Support LittleMountain5 23:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
38. Support trust the nom, trust the user.--Patton 23:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
39. seresin ( ¡? )  23:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
40. Support, yes yes yes yes yes. The fact that you are not already an admin says bad things about the RfA community (well, more bad things). Ironholds (talk) 23:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
41. Support No issue. America69 (talk) 00:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
42. Support - trustworthy and has clue. Matt (Talk) 04:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
43. Support. Appears trustworthy as this is a long-time editor, with thousands of edits, and no blocks. Rosiestep (talk) 05:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
44. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 08:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
45. Support I see nothing of concern, per my RfA criteria Foxy Loxy 09:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
46. Support net positive Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
47. Support Very pleased with the answer to my question. Covers all the points I had in mind. CrispMuncher (talk) 11:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
48. Support Absolutely. Nothing but positive interactions (mostly at AfD I believe), contribs show has been ready for the mop for some time. Xymmax _{So let it be done} 12:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
49. Support Wha...?? Amalthea is not an admin? It's not April 1 is it? Chamal 12:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
50. Support - Only see good things from this user. Simon 17:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
51. Support seems to be a no brainer :) fr33kman -s- 18:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
52. Support Looks good to me. --Chasingsol 19:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
53. Support I think that this project needs more editors as admins who may not be the ones with all the featured articles, and other such content creating things. --Neskaya _talk 20:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
54. Support My observations of this editor's work have been positive. Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
55. Strong support. Wizardman 22:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
56. Sure. After a review of contributions and log, as well as the answers to questions, I don't see a problem here. Active in the right areas, good quality contributions and actions. —Anonymous Dissident 10:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
57. Support I like the thought put into the answers, and while I don't subscribe to the "won't break the wiki" argument, I do believe in the intent of the candidate to "improve" the wiki. That seems to be the case here. The contribs seem to be in order, and the intent genuine. — Ched (talk) 12:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
58. Support Lectonar (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
59. Support. Fully qualified candidate; no concerns. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
60. Support No reason not to. Razorflame 17:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
61. Support - seems as if the user knows what the tools of admin are intended for and will be able to use them in good faith.--TRUCO 19:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
62. Support- The edit history shows that the candidate is civil in his interactions with other users and has knowledge of our policies. --J.Mundo (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
63. Support Syjytg (talk) 12:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
64. Support: Knowledgeable, intelligent, level, dedicated, able to learn, able to think, does really good work. Everything to say yes. Maedin\ 13:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
65. Support - Yep! AdjustShift (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
66. Support See no problems. Spinach Monster (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
67. Support Per oppose #2. Bsimmons666 (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
68. Support on user's own merits, and, yes, oppose #2 smacks of pure bigotry. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
69. Support - meets my standards; being an atheist is not a disqualifyer for me. Bearian (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

    It's a shame the two users (administrators!) above seem to think my oppose is based on the candidate's atheism. I don't know what on earth I can do to explain myself more clearly. Keepscases (talk) 18:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    You could ask a completely unrelated, nonsensical question and hope to get an answer; seems to be your usual procedure. Tan | 39 20:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    If someone questions your fellow administrators' reading comprehension, you're not doing them any favors to claim my questions are nonsense. Exactly which ones didn't you understand? Keepscases (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

    We understand you're criticisms - but they're still senseless. Bsimmons666 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    You're logic is impeccable. Keepscases (talk) 16:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    If understanding what someone is saying is WP:Don't feed the trolls/WP:DENY. Bsimmons666 (talk) 16:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/Grammar . Keepscases (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

70. Support I know it's overused, but I seriously thought the bit was already on. Will definitely be an asset to the project. --Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
71. Very, VERY strong support - Wow, I thought you already were one for sure! --Dylan620 _{Hark unto me · Ping me} @ 15:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
72. Pile on Support still scratching my head, as I thought you already had the bit! Mayalld (talk) 16:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
73. Utter and total 100% way over the top support I couldn't actually think of a better editor to be an admin that isn't already. Balanced, helpful, trustworthy, communicative. --Ged UK (talk) 16:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
74. Support. Absolutely. Tan | 39 20:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
75. Support.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:14, February 18, 2009 (UTC)
76. OPPOSE I trust this editor not to abuse the tools. Also, gnomes are good. Partial disclosure: I may be a gnome myself. SHEFFIELDSTEEL 21:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
77. Support - an experienced wikignome, and adminship is primarily about wikignome-type activity. Cynical (talk) 22:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
78. Support Seems reasonable enough. No blocks, many edits, no drama (so far!). --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 23:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
79. Support - I wasn't going to pile on, but then I saw the Opposes below... OK, the first one is somewhat justifiable, but opposing over a userbox that was removed six months ago (and wasn't even offensive to begin with) is totally unfair. I have little doubt that Amalthea will make an excellent admin, regardless of his opinions on the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Robofish (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
80. Was borderline because of the lack of natural encyclopedia building, but answers to questions show candidate capable and ready, and otherwise there are no concerns. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
81. Support Definitely trustworthy. Keep up the good work! Steven Walling (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
82. Support with pleasure. I've seen Amalthea at various points and been impressed. I don't find the incident referred to in oppose a matter of major concern. Dealing with tendentious editors can be difficult for anyone, and I believe Amalthea's claim to have learned from the incident. In fact, that experience could well prove useful in handling the tools, as it will serve to remind to seek feedback when cases are less clearcut. I believe in general Amalthea demonstrates patience and plenty of clue, and I think those are among the essential elements of an admin. --Moonriddengirl 14:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
83. Support - Looks good to me. The 3RR doesn't bother me too much (we all trip over that one at least once), and I'm not even going near that userbox discussion. I think this candidate will make a fine admin.    SIS  17:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    And the 18 RR that happened on February 3rd while using Twinkle improperly. Does that not bother you also? Ottava Rima (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    Obviously not. Using Twinkle to revert good faith (or non-vandal) edits is not abusing it. (The script offers 3 revert modes. Revert good faith edits, revert edits, and revert vandalism. Wrote more about that in your oppose vote). Second, it's not an "18RR", these are 18 separate edits.    SIS  17:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    Good faith might be once. Reverting -twice- "good faith" edits across 9 pages is called edit warring. They are 9 pages of 2 reverts each. When done to the same person for the same function across multiple pages, they are cumulative. I would recommend you rereading the edit warring definition. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    No, thanks. I don't see a problem with these 9x2 edits, period. Besides, I though this was about Twinkle abuse?    SIS  18:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    AS I explained on my talk page, the policy explicitly reads The rule applies per page; reverts spread across multiple pages so that an editor does not revert a single page more than three times do not violate the rule. Your interpretting his action here as a 18RR is a complete misread of the policy and unfair to the candidate. By the evidence you provided on my talk page, the candidate did not come close to violating 3RR.---I'm Spartacus! 18:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

    Edit warring is edit warring regardless of the letter of 3RR is met. 1RR has been deemed edit warring before. -You- know this. Unfair to the candidate? This candidate wants to pursue vandalism. They don't understand appropriate actions in doing that. You should train your nominees better to respect WP:CONSENSUS and the Consensus based process. Admin are not supposed to think its appropriate to revert users constantly who are here to work on the encyclopedia. This is at least a violation of WP:BITE and easily a violation of most of our editing guidelines and principles. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

84. Support. Generally good contributions, and a good understanding of policies. Axl ¤ 18:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
85. Support. Great candidate. I have no reason to believe Amalthea will abuse the tools. DiverseMentality 20:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
86. Support Artichoker 22:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
87. Support Seems good to me.Smallman12q (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
88. Support per nom. Sumoeagle179 (talk) 11:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
89. Support. I like the answers to the questions, particularly #7 and 8, and Amalthea seems like he'll use the tools to good effect. Also, opposes #1 and 2 are so unreasonable that I would support this candidate simply to counteract those opposes. --Akhilleus (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

    Well, seeing as how Tiptoety stated that he edit warred the first time and abused rollbacks in doing that, and seeing as how he did the same thing with Twinkle across 9 pages twice, which is double what is needed to determine it edit warring, your support shows a severe disregard for standards. Counteracting an oppose based on someone being a clear edit warrior? Wow. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

90. Strong Support. I've seen you before around Misplaced Pages, and thought you were already an admin... but that is still not the main reason. On my failed RfA which was some three months ago, you used very good words to describe something I did wrong, instead of just saying WP:NOTNOW like almost everyone else. Much more adminy. Good luck with the mop! K50 Dude ROCKS! 16:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
91. Support - iMatthew // talk // 18:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
92. Support Per Akhilleus. --Folantin (talk) 22:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
93. Support Everything I see leads me to believe you'd be very trustable as an admin. Themfromspace (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
94. Support, gnomish admin ---> –xeno (talk) 01:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
95. Someone trout me if I had already supported; I meant to do this ages ago. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 03:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
96. Support Indirectly dealt with this user while dealing with a particularly problematic user; Amalthea's patience and professionalism displayed to me a cool mind that would be perfect in an admin. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 04:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
97. Support per nom. —Eustress 05:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
98. Support None of the opposes concern me enough to oppose. • \ / (⁂) 11:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Strong Oppose (current statement) - After reading through the diffs for the reverting and discussing the original warning, I believe that the user in question reverted improperly, avoided the process of consensus, and possibly abused rollbacking ability. As such, I believe that the rollbacking should have been stripped and that the warning means something serious, even if it was not followed by a block. Admin should be held to a higher standard, and 3 months distance is not enough time for the lessons of this event to have sunk in and trust with the community re-established. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

   (previous statement by Ottava Rima) - Edit warring is one of the things that I think are the worse abuses an admin can make. Doing this in the past 6 months is very problematic. We are a community based on consensus and this is the most flagrant violation of that. I will mark this as an oppose unless I hear from Tiptoety that his warning was over something completely trivial. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

   Not wanting to badger you, but I was just wondering, did you ask Tiptoety to comment on this matter? SoWhy 20:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

   I'm trying to do it privately. Normally he is around but I haven't had a chance to talk to him lately. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

   Warnings, especially for 3RR, don't bother me... sometimes people get carried away and others need to step in and say "did you realize" that you are coming close to violating the policy and are in danger of being blocked. Now if they continue to do so, after the warning, and get blocked that is a different story. But we have warnings for a reason, they should be viewed as reminders, unless a consistent pattern of "warnings" appears, and isolated "warning" shouldn't IMO be overweighted. (Block yes, warning no.)---I'm Spartacus! 16:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

   I've been blocked for "edit warring" when it wasn't even close to the case. It is obvious that blocks on such have a high double standard. Thus, we can easily ignore the result. Was it edit warring? Yes. What degree? I'm going to find out. If it was a blatant case of this, then that is a strong oppose. Admin shouldn't be edit warring, and edit warriors shouldn't be admin. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

   A short answer: As I said, I believe that I have learned from it, and I have made a conscious effort afterwards not to make the same mistake again. For example, when I noticed an anonymous user (IPs 71.244.* and 70.106.*) on List of German Americans removing all Jews from the list, I expressed my disagreement on the talk page, reverted exactly once per WP:BRD, and after the anon continued I invited editors from WP USA and WP Germany to a show of hands, to see an explicit consensus.
   I assure you, it sunk in. --Amalthea 02:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Time is more important than simply thinking that you "learned". There is the waiting aspect. Normally, people are told to try to wait at least 6 months since their last major problem in an area that contradicts the ethics required to be a good admin. Otherwise, rushing into it so fast shows that you prioritize the "power" more than doing what is right. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   From this to this, you made 18 Twinkle based reverts of a data formatting change. This is an inappropriate use of twinkle as delinking of dates is not vandalism. Thus, you used an automated script to push a POV that would require discussion first instead of just reverting. Reverting over multiple pages against one individual can be seen as edit warring again. This shows that you edit warred to push a POV in a situation that is not vandalism and this proves that you did it across multiple pages in a manner that should have resulted in a block (or, at least, a second warning). You have abused rollbacks above and now twinkle here. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Do you use Twinkle? Twinkle offers 3 revert modes. Revert good faith edits, revert edits, and revert vandalism. All are accordingly tagged in the reverted article's history. Using Twinkle to revert good faith (or non-vandal) edits is not abusing it. The script offers these three options. And judging by the descriptions of the edits you're referring to, they were reverted 'normally' and not labelled as vandalism. In short, I don't see any Twinkle abuse here.    SIS  17:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   You further used twinkle to aid you in a dispute that seems to be more based on personal judgment than vandalism hunting here and here. You admit that it is possibly a single, so that removes any claim that the individual is "Introducing deliberate factual errors". Your use of Twinkle seems to promote a personal view point instead of handling things in a proper function. Your comments to the individual seem to be bitey and inappropriate. "We are not a rumor mill." seems to be something that will only cause problems if this happens as an admin. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   I'm afraid that this has to be lengthy now. Ottava Rima, WP:ROLLBACK, WP:UNDO, and both manual and tool-assisted reversions that merely say "revert" in the edit summary and nothing else are only to be used in cases of blatantly non-productive edits. I understand that, and I do that. Tool-assisted or manual reverts or undos that explain or indicate in the edit summary why an edit was undone is acceptable. Just because an edit summary contains the word "revert" does not mean that the undone edit is to be considered vandalism.
   As I just explained on my talk page, you will notice that I did add a link to WP:DATE in my edit summaries there, both times I undid those changes (see the edit history of Call Me a Mack for example), and have left the user welcome messages and informative messages at the same time, first at User talk:65.10.154.245, and then later at User talk:168.221.157.196. I do consider those reversions appropriate since they were well explained, both to the user and to fellow editors, and reflect consensus about date style. The change was not about the linking or delinking of dates.
   Similarily in your second pair of edits: Yes, I use tools to assist me in editing. I know Twinkle well enough to know what it does when I press a button, and as explained above Twinkle is not only useful to revert vandalism. My edit was not based on opinion; I had listened to the interview that Kelly Klarkson had given, twice, before I removed the information. I quoted that interview in my edit summaries, I quoted it on the AfD I started, and I quoted it in my message to the user. It still would be incorrect to add that information as a fact since it still can't be verified. --Amalthea 17:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   You reverted -twice- on the different pages. You should have been blocked and stripped of your right to automated tools. Your actions are not excusable. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   I hope you don't mind me quoting your own words at you, but "The fight is pointless, the matter is pale". Amalthea hasn't broken the 3RR policy or abused the Twinkle tool during these reverts.    SIS  19:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Misplaced Pages:Edit war "For instance, edit warring could take the form of 4+ reverts on a page in a day, or three, or one per day for a protracted period of time, or one per page across many pages, or simply a pattern of isolated blind reverts as a first resort against disagreeable edits." Read it. Its right there. You are simply wrong on this. Amalthea edit warred. Amalthea abused tools. This is pure and simple corruption. Amalthea lost all rights to use Twinkle and Rollbacks. There is no excuse for this. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   The page you're quoting from starts with "Edit warring is the confrontational use of edits to win a content dispute." In my opinion that doesn't apply here at all. And this really is my last word on the matter. I dislike circular walks.    SIS  19:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   I guess you missed this clause then - "simply a pattern of isolated blind reverts as a first resort against disagreeable edits". Blind reverts would not have "an end" as you seem to imply as necessary. Furthermore, the very first line goes against what you are saying: "An edit war occurs when contributors, or groups of contributors, repeatedly revert each other's contributions." Ottava Rima (talk) 20:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

2. Strong Oppose based on userbox history and nomination from SoWhy. Enjoy your upcoming adminship, just know that some of us think there are too many of you around here already--and just to be clear, I mean the smug atheists who want to unnecessarily put down others' long-standing beliefs for the sake of looking very very intelligent. Yes we know--your flying spaghetti monster is just as likely as the biblical God. Charming. Keepscases (talk) 14:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Everyone has a right to religious beliefs. How do you know that this user will put down others' beliefs? Please remember to assume good faith and not to assume all users with a certain religious belief are not the same. Sam 15:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   I think that he is suggesting that the presence of an inflammatory userbox (and yes... as covert as it is, it's inflammatory) suggests a tendency to put down the beliefs of those who don't agree with him. I have opposed RfA's in the past because an editor has the tendency to attack the religious and quasi-religious beliefs of others, but I don't think this candidate is much of a risk for that. One userbox does not a bigot make. Trusilver 16:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Seriously. What a low point we'd be at if we were to the point of assuming bad faith on the presence of userboxes, which are only indications of the actual mental context editors work in. You could even make the argument that people with religious userboxes are more honest than those witout. The idea that if someone stating a belief is automatically a religious bigot would be a fairly unworkable. Fortunately, Keepsakes' view isn't widely shared here. FlyingToaster 17:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   It is no more inflamatory than a user box describing somebody as a republican, a democrat, a Christian, a Catholic, a Hindu, a... there are User Boxes that Keepscases has opposed and I've agreed, the user boxes were inappropriate. (Eg the one that do put down other peoples beleifs.) But simply stating that one is an Athiest is not a sign that the user is a "smug athiest who want to unecessarily put down others' long standing beleifs." It is simply a statement that Amalthea doesn't beleif in God, which is his perjogative. Again, I've supported Keeps opposes in the past, when the user boxes were offensive, but a neutrally worded position of faith does not fit that mold. (See Nuclear Warfare's last rfa, where NW actually changed his UB's based upon my support of Keeps criticism.)---I'm Spartacus! 19:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   For the discussion that Balloonman/Spartacus was talking about, see WT:Requests for adminship/NuclearWarfare. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 05:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   I have a userbox that says I like winter. Perhaps I should be desysopped because I might offend people who like summer? –Juliancolton 19:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   There is no need to rehash an argument that we've already had, but I must clarify that the userbox I take issue with states, "This user believes that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as likely as creationism." And the user's rationale for taking out this userbox was "too many userboxen", which I find rather questionable given that the removal took the number of boxes from five to four. Draw your own conclusions. I would never oppose a candidate for having a userbox that states "I am an atheist" or something along those lines, but it *never* seems to stop at a simple statement of belief. Keepscases (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   From five to three, actually, over 6 months ago. I removed that particular user box because it was unnecessarily confrontational, so in this respect I agree with you. I never found it to convey a smug attitude however, and that was certainly not my intention. --Amalthea 20:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   My apologies, I struck my comment above, I didn't see the one you were point to, and agree it was uncalled for. But, for what it's worth, as Amalthea points out it was 6+ months ago.---I'm Spartacus! 22:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Personally, I'd rather have an editor who states their religious/political views and then strives to edit neutrally. That way I can better determine if their biases are affecting their edits. And the encyclopedia will be more balanced if we have a variety of political and religious views, especially among admins.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   I am very surprised at you people. It's obviously offensive if someone is offended by it. You can't argue with that, so don't bother.--Patton 20:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   There is a fine line between "I am offended by that" and "that is blatantly offensive." This is much more the former than the latter. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   Agreed. Anything can offend somebody, the test shouldn't be "is someone offended by this" but more "was this intended to be offensive, or could anyone with the common sense of a garden gnome tell it might offend a bunch of people". Regardless, we're not a court of law and deciding "when something becomes offensive" isn't in RfAs remit, but my point is that "if it offends anybody it is obviously offensive" is nonsensical and leads us down a long, slippery slope. Ironholds (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   I wish someone, *anyone*, who thinks these userboxes are a good idea would have the courage to say "yes, I display these userboxes because I think it's funny to ridicule others' beliefs. Yes, I like to pat myself on the back about how very intelligent I am. Deal with it." Instead we always get a lot of hemming and hawing and "OMG YOU'RE STEREOTYPING ME BECAUSE I'M AN ATHEIST". See you all at the next RfA. Keepscases (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   I agree with the spirit of Keepscases argument, if not the exact situation that it was employed. There are a few things that you simply do not do in this world. First, you never mess with another man's fries.. Of equal importance is that you never mess with another person's religious beliefs (or lack thereof). A person's religious beliefs are a central component of their self-identity, thus you don't ridicule them unless you are prepared for a strong reaction. The userbox was meant for a single reason alone: to ridicule other people's religious beliefs. However, the fact that this candidate saw that it was a poor decision and removed the box before it turned into an issue, shows me good judgment rather than bad. I would caution the candidate to be sensitive to the beliefs of others in the future, but every single thing I have seen from this person suggests to me that it won't be an issue. Overall, this is a very minor negative blip that doesn't even come close to shaking my already strong support. Trusilver 02:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

   I guess this has been hinted at above, but are people seriously this worked up over a userbox that Amalthea removed over 6 months ago? rʨanaɢ /_contribs 05:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

3. Per Ottava Rima, abusing rollback only results in hurt feelings. Also, I'm not thrilled with the answer to question #12. For one, the question answered "why", not "what". You answered part of "why" on the first part (why is BLP exempt from 3RR) but only answered "what" on the second part (NOR, NPOV, etc, can be taken to talk. Why?) But that aside, the answer bothers me that you are being too literal on BLP. BLP, if anything, should be broadly interpreted (see special enforcement). If, for example, you are considering a 3RR complaint where one user has reverted a sourced, but tangential rant about a person (ie, Bob was a member of organization X in college last year. Organization X's leader was convicted of a crime last year. Here are 37 other things organization X has done over the years), that doesn't fall under "libellous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced controversial material" (because we're presupposing that every individual statement in there is sourced) but it darn well should be removed and no wikilawyering should result in it being a part of the article. Misplaced Pages:Coatrack is a good read. The point is, we should err far on the side of protecting BLPs. That's where IAR comes in. That's where the special enforcement provisions come in. --B (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   Two things:

   • I've explained myself to the editor I reverted on his talk page, urged him to discuss before I undid his changes for the the first time, only the second of my three reverts was done with rollback, and I left him a message in parallel. It still shouldn't have been used, but no feelings were hurt through it, and I am generally verbose when I undo an edit.
   • Point taken about BLP material in coatrack articles, if it's sourced it's not something I've considered being exempt so far, even if it clearly doesn't belong in an article. Of course, all that WP:3RR says on it is "what counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial". --Amalthea 15:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

   • Amalthea, you do know that none of your reverts should be done with rollbacks in that situation, right? That doing such a thing warrants the removal of rollbacks? That such removal would have completely destroyed any major support that you found above? You should be lucky that you slipped through the cracks at the time. But it does not diminish the seriousness of the problem. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

4. Oppose I'm afraid I must oppose for the exact same reason as Ottava Rima. This just worries me a tad bit too much, especially since it was so recent. If it were, say 3 months ago, I wouldn't have thought about it, but it's too soon for me to support. Until It Sleeps 22:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral

(moved temporarily) I have a lot of respect for Tiptoety and trust his judgment. I would like to see more if this user can be trusted after the run in. This happened too recently to just ignore, and warnings are still important. We have enough admin who revert too casually and get into warring. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

1. Neutral Name recognition is a big thing to me. I haven't even heard of him (her?), although I don't get out much... Answer to block/ban Q is good, but no mention of a topic ban. flaminglawyer 00:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
2. Neutral per nominators' introduction; "While he has contributed to a number of articles, he can't point to scores of GAs/FAs or even DYKs" and "Amalthea may not be a perfect content creator but rather more of a WikiGnome." Am I the only one thinking that in recent RfAs, WikiGonmes have tried to acquire an adminship rather than content creators have? Even with the nominator's humble introduction does not convince supporter's claims like "Fully qualified" --Caspian blue 17:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   I think you raise an interesting question about wikignomes and RfA. But as a discussion on that would be tangental to this RfA, I'm going to respond at WT:RFA instead.---I'm Spartacus! 18:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

   (edit conflict) Could you elaborate why you think it's a bad thing that more WikiGnomes have requested adminship than content creators and why this does not allow you to support this RFA? SoWhy 18:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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