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Full protect (edit war in progress)

I have protected the page due to the edit war in progress and the BLP concerns in the section about the sexual harassment charge. I have also taken the exceptional measure of commenting out that section in order to avoid problems while the page is protected.

Please take the opportunity to discuss things out on this page, and arrive at a consensus. — Coren  22:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The sexual harassment lawsuit is sourced to Chronicle of Higher Education, an altogether reliable source in the subject (supported by aq major radio station). i consider this probably sufficient documentation for BLP, assuming they are summarized correctly. I think is is certainly sufficient documentation that commenting it out was unwarranted. It is accepted that we protect what we find. I have no prior knowledge of this matter, but would think it justified only if there were a real absence of documentation. In relevant circles, the Chronicle is read more than Misplaced Pages, and certainly very much more trusted, so we would not be doing any harm to retain it. DGG (talk) 23:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

sorry, I dont know why I thought the Chronicle--it was the Yale Daily News , and local newspapers, which would seem make this another matter entirely. DGG (talk) 23:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is the problem. The 'sources' cited are all blogs that direct to dead links in local newspapers or the Yale school paper. I think there was a Univ. of Hartford one too. Nothing more. Nothing national. Simply sensational small-time reports on a complaint that was never proven.Letsnotlie 00:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sexual harassment charges

The sexual harassment claims simply describe a complaint brought by Mary Beth Garceau. There have been salacious unbalanced reports of these in various media, and the poster has simply cited blogs with the sordid details. Describing the little details of these hardly compares with the broad description of positive things about this top scientist.

Importantly, the case has been settled. BUT, there are no published details about the settlement. The user Truthertruther insists on interpreting an out-of-court settlement as guilt by Schlessinger. Not so. Perhaps Garceau's people discovered that they have no case and settled without compensation. There are no media reports on this. To assume guilt by Yale and Schlessinger is potentially libelous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsnotlie (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Before reinstating this section, I think we need real sources (not the blogs cited by Truthertruther) and some real resolution about the outcome of this case. If Schlessinger is innocent, Truthertruther is guilty of libel.Letsnotlie 23:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Your reasoning is convincing, to me at least. But with regard to "guilty of libel": Maybe, maybe not, but that kind of talk is not going to help with the situation. I dorftrottel I talk I 23:24, December 2, 2007

OK, thanks Dorftrottel. Either way, in the absence of proven guilt it seems appropriate to assume innocence.Letsnotlie 23:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

the sources seem to include the Yale Alumni magazine. Though editorially independent of the University, , I cannot think it is given to retailing scurrilous gossip about the faculty; although what they published is a one paragraph mention, not a fully article. It is reported in WP correctly. This is more than a blog. DGG (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

DGG (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That source (perhaps the most reliable ?) has the following text as its entire story:

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

A referenced statement of this sort would be acceptable on the Schlessinger wiki page. My concern is that the salacious details are poorly sourced and should not be included. The fact that the case was brought is undeniable. Whether it was a legitimate case is not clear. Therefore, discussing the salacious details does not seem acceptable.Letsnotlie 00:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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