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Misinformation being spread by users for their own selfish gain

There are people here notably user ID Anoshirawan who is spreading misinformation about Afghanistan, its culture, music, and definition. This person is knowingly spreading wrong information to spread his ideological ideas which are ethnocentric and notably anti-Pashtun. Qbzad

I wana add some more info about him, but she has blocked me. I have some good info from Ariana TV.

About the recent changes ...Ive worked hard to bring alot of accurate information through out the months so please do not erase or change my info...becuase this is wikipedia everyone is welcome to ADD info but not change information when they have no idea them selves. alot of the changes that have been made are info from Ahmad zahir.com which is someone elses work ..so no copy and pasting here and the person who made these changes dosnt realize that there was no telivison during half of Ahmad Zahir's career becuase telivision was released in Afghanistan in 1975 so Ahmad zahir's first album was long out before tv's became a regular house hold item . The Album info has been changed plz agian do not touch other peoples works ...someone has added ?'s on the years of the album to my best of knowlege those years are accurate or close enough becuase Ahmad zahir has 3-4 albums out in the late 60's. Ahmad zahir's music videos were recorded in 1976 and 1977..Khuda buwat yaaret was recorded at the time of Daud Khan in 1977. Also I beleive the same person changed the paragraph about some of his personal life like during 1976-1978 he had marriage problems with his second wife and he also was arrested a couple of times 1) becuase of Daud khan and some socalist politicians were doing purges on upper class people and anyone they saw a threat to the republic which Ahmad Zahir was a threat in thier views. 2) Ahmad Zahir was arrested also on speculation of having to be involved in the murder of Khalida Gulpar in 1976 or 1977..but he was cleared of any wrong doing becuase someone from his second wifes family murdered Khalida and forged a letter saying that khalida was killed by Ahmad Zahir becuase ..It was rumored that Ahmad Zahir and Khalida were having an affair.

the topic of Mabubillah Pacha is a rumor also so we can not speculate or blame him unless there is proof becuase there was a girl at the scene of the crime who witnessed Ahmad Zahir's death but till this day she has not said anything about it for reputation purposes. See like some of these things should not be put in the article or to replace accurate information unless who ever did this wants to make a seperate section or paragraph to ADD to the article. So I will not block this article becuase some people might have some good information about Ahmad Zahir..but if I see any HUGE changes or other peoples work's changed then I will block the Article from being edited by other users. Abdul916 18:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

to who ever changed the article with poor and untrue facts do not touch the article evr again ...i will block this article becuase time and time after people are vandalizing my work. Most of the info is factual nothing based on assumptions and for the person who went buck wild on my discography info ... you have no clue on what you are talking about the album shab-e hijran Afghan music #14 was recorded in 1973 before the fall of the Shah of Afghanistan my father brought the original recording of Afg #14 in 1974 when he came to the United States so you are completely inaccurate with your info on that one son saying it was recorded in 1978.. listen ppl Ahmad Zahir was pretty much not active in music through most of 1978 becuase of the death threats and his troubles with the law , the only factual info was Ahmad Zahir recorded his last album which was TOO BAA MANEE Music Center # 5 which was recorded though 1977 and completed in 1978 and was released after his death that and 1 or 2 private recorded songs for the radio even though he had a very entertaining majliss in feb or march of 79 and had said that he was going to make another album which would have been in Music Center also he was going to make 1 or 2 music videos too this is from his long time friend Amanallah Amanyaar who was head of radio kabul during the khalq times ..Masoor jamal was the head during parcham times which Ahmad zahir was already dead at that time...Farhad music there was no farhad music when Ahmad Zahir was alive ... dont base Ahmad Zahir's info on underground pakistani recording companies becuase that is what you are doing ...for example they list the original Ahmad zahir Afg music album #2 as javed music center #32 so which is fake and is not the original recordings.so sure whats next Ahmad zahir was going to record an album for Zabi music center or even Virgin records come on plzz give me a brake.. I can tell that you live in pakistan also if you want to add info on Ahmad zahir plz get the facts right and learn how to type proper english...but srry i will block this article becuase of made up and untrue asumptions. Abdul916 18:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Where do the Mods get their information from? All the information is based on self belief and emotions.

Ahmad Zahir was a Pashtun and his Father was a one time Prime Minister a known Pashtun. Where did you get the Pashai from just because Laghman has Pashai. You people really do know how to forge facts and truth into a self proclaim dream.--Shikab 03:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Shikab

His father was from Northern Laghman(modern day nuristan). His mother was a Tajik--Anoshirawan 05:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Honest to God you people are the most illiterates I have ever come along with. Does education even exist in the minds of you people? Laghman province is a majority Pashtun province which I can proof through AIMS AND AFGHAN GOVERNMENT SOURCE which you people claim to be following but lie. Secondly just because a person is born in different part of the province or among different group of people it DOESNT I REPEAT IT DOESNT MAKE THAT PERSON THE SAME ETHNIC OR SECT.

So if we go by your logic than Rumi is Afghan not Persian? Earth doesn't rotate?

Stop trying to change a person's identity for your own purpose and stop claiming over Afghan culture.--Shikab 05:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Afghan culture is synonymous to Pashtun culture. -- Behnam 01:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

About the Ethnicity of Ahmad Zahir

The information about the Ethnicity of the great singer Ahmad Zahir is wrong. He is not Pashai, or tajik he was Afghan. and is the son of the former prime minister Dr. Zahir

so please correct that

Ahmad Zahir was Pashtun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hon203 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC) regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.171.235 (talk) 18:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

All of the evidence I have seen indicates that Ahmad Zahir is an Afghan, and in fact a Pashtun Afghan. Anoshirawan claims that his mother was a Tajik, but I have seen no supporting evidence for that. Even if it were true, Zahir would still be an Afghan. So that is what the lead should say. If Anoshirawan can provide a citation to a reliable source for his statement about the mother, then it can be included below the lead in the early years section. As to his father, Abdul Zahir the evidence is again all on the side of his being a Pashtun, so why would anyone say that he was Pashai? Ahmad Zahir's mother may not be pure anything and may in fact be of Pashai and Tajik descent, but that too needs a source. For the nounce, until citation is provided, I suggest that the first sentences in the "Early years" section be changed to read, "Ahmad Zahir was born in Laghman, Afghanistan. His father, Abdul Zahir, the royal court doctor, was also a former prime minister and an influential figure in the Zahir Shah's era." It is not necessary to repeat his birth date, and the Persian calendar would only be relevant if his horoscope were discussed. --Bejnar 16:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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  Request that the unsourced and duplicative material be removed from the "Early Years" section so that it reads: "Ahmad Zahir was born in Laghman, Afghanistan. His father, Abdul Zahir, the royal court doctor, was also a former prime minister and an influential figure in the Zahir Shah's era." See above. --Bejnar 16:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

  I personally am not comfortable putting unsourced content into an article. Now I wouldn't mind making a simple protected edit like this, and I wouldn't mind removing incorrect information. However, could you get a source so that I (and anyone else) can verify that these fact are sourced.-Andrew c  02:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

  
  Ahmad Zahir was born into a Pashaii Family who were from laghman. The village which they were from was in northern Laghman province(currently in Nuristan province). His mother was a Panjsheri Tajik. Dr. Zahir had numerous interviews in Kabul Radio about the Pashaiis of Laghman. Also, Ahmad Zahir was extremely Pro Persian(dedicated a song for the Iranian Shah) and only had 3 songs in Pashto. --Anoshirawan 06:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

  In order for us to believe that, we need to see strong evidence. A link from some source would do, so we can check to see if you're telling the truth or not. As far as I know Ahmad Zahir is from Pashtun ethnic line, of the Mohammadzais. This is known by almost all Pashtun people. His place of birth has nothing to do with his ethnicity, even though the majority live there are Pashtuns. Also, his father and mother were both Pashtuns. He sang in Persian and in Pashto languages, it does not matter how many songs were in which language. As a neutral person, no need to mention ethnicity if there is no solid proof, leave it out. (Dilbar Jan 11:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

  There are no Muhammadzais in Laghman. Most Laghmani Pashtuns are Ghilzai not Durrani. He had more english songs than pashto --Anoshirawan 22:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoshirawan (talk • contribs)

  He sang in Persian languages because all his girlfriends were Persian speakers. His father was from Mohammadzai Pashtuns, it does not matter how many Durranis or Ghilzai live in Laghman, that's something extremely difficult to figure. Most Pashtuns don't even think of Durrani or Ghilzai, they use Afghan as a nationality. (Dilbar Jan 01:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

  Ahmad Zahir's Pimp was Samad Dardar who brought kandahari girls not Persian speaking girls. His father was Dr Zahir a Laghmani(There are no Muhammadzais in Laghman, and the Ghilzai Pashtuns lived in southern laghman province while Tajiks and pashaii resided in the northern region which is part of Nuristan today. Ahmad Zahir was against the Muhammadzai government, thats why he has numerous songs against zahir and his family(for example: nala ba del shud gereh, rah e nayestan kujast), the lyrics were written by Khalili against the Muhammadzais and was pro Kalakani(naam cho jawed shud, mordanash asan kujast). Pashtuns are tribal, they identify their tribe and sub-tribe before they use Afghan lol and the Ghilzais and Durranis always resented each other. For more information on Ahmad Zahir you can ask his son Rashid who lives in the US and he claims he is not a Pashtun but a Persian speaker or you can ask Dr. Mohd Naim Farhan who was a close friend of Zahir. --Anoshirawan 05:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  
  Gul Agha it seems like it that you will never stop with your emotional dulusional dreams of changing facts into dreams. This is why we Afghans laugh at your Qizils. First you try to claim you are Tajik or go to different forums and act as different ethnic group to get your emotions out. I even provided my facts in the Afghan forums that Ahmad Zahir was Pashtun. My grandfather was close ally of Zahir Shah and he knew Ahmad Zahir's father well since he was close friends with him. Ahmad Zahir's mom could hardly speak Dari and you consider him Tajik decendent. You claim so many things and yet no facts have been provided. The only reason you Cultureless people claim him as Persian is because he was a famous Afghan singer who sang in both Pashto and DAri. Also if you claim that Northern Laghman is populated by Pashais and this is your proof he wasn't Pashtun then you aren't Qizil since you live in teh west. After all the west is full of Foreigners such as Americans, British and so on. So why do you claim yourself to be Qizil if you live in the west fool? As always you embarass yourself befarhang benamos bewatan.– — … ° ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § shikab: Shikab 03:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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