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Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023

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I would like to add a single-sentence paragraph at the end of the "Discrimination by law enforcement" section. The added sentence would be as follows: In a study published in 2016, however, Harvard Prof. Roland Fryer found no evidence that police were more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones under similar circumstances. https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force Wumhenry1 (talk) 19:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Not done: This is not an entirely faithful representation of this source, and including this sentence would most likely create a false balance against a number of other sources in the article that report quite the opposite. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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Change "; a 2005 study by the American Journal of Public Health observed that the odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for blacks compared with whites, with Latino-perpetrated violence 10% lower."

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Reason: This statement, taken from the American home journal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States) used alone as it is, is misleading and racist and preceded by a statement that confirms the intent to mislead. The sited study mentioned consisted of a preselected group of people living in Chicago, and not in all of the US as it leaves readers to believe. Also, the admittedly handpicked subjects for the study and the alleged findings were affected by the opinions of others outside of the group surveyed which means the data was compromised. No information was provided to show which other group they picked and if/how they confirmed the responses recieved were not only a reflection of their own prejudices. FixNartt101 (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the content from the lead. The source was added relatively recently, and a weak source should not be used for broad claims, especially in the first paragraph. Grayfell (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

For convenience, here is the study. It directly contextualizes these findings in the abstract: The odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for Blacks compared with Whites, whereas Latino-perpetrated violence was 10% lower. Yet the majority of the Black–White gap (over 60%) and the entire Latino–White gap were explained primarily by the marital status of parents, immigrant generation, and dimensions of neighborhood social context. The results imply that generic interventions to improve neighborhood conditions and support families may reduce racial gaps in violence. To use this for the "85%" factoid without this context is inappropriate and misrepresents the cited source, as the edit request points out. Grayfell (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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