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Greetings Arms & Hearts, Randykitty, and Serial Number 54129: I estimate print publications exist for approximately 20 different Occupations based on preliminary research and have embedded sections inside their respective occupations for Occupy Chicago and Occupy Wall Street. I am going to add Oakland, DC and some more NY papers later today. Any others you can think of, or would be willing to contribute to? I am particularly interested in the legal challenges e.g trademark violations, that some of these papers did, such as The Boston Occupier, Occupied Chicago Tribune and the Occupied Oakland Tribune. Shushugah (talk) 11:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The sections in this article and Occupy Chicago look good. Just to clarify: are you still envisioning creating a new article discussing all of these publications? Or are you just thinking about expanding our coverage of these publications in existing articles? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Both, I will focus on expanding coverage of print media in any occupations first, because otherwise we won’t have an eagle view. We can start sandbox of what we think could go in a Occupy Media section. Occupy LA Times, Occupied Washington Post, Occupied Washington Times are my immediate next steps. Shushugah (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
It sounds like a worthwhile project. I think there's a lot of encyclopaedic content on the Occupy movement and media that we're missing – perhaps especially on its use of social media – and lots of scholarly work we could draw on. For example:
Should the lead image be changed? It's currently used on Charging Bull, so in my mind doesn't exactly meet the "minimal usage" criteria for non-free use images. Also I think there are plenty of other images that can represent the movement, particularly actual images of protestors. Sam-2727 (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. I’d revert and remove/trim bit by bit, to make it easier to discuss/compare edits. I think they were good faith and generally improvements but tad too much trimming Shushugah (talk) 02:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I can discuss my cuts. I was acting on the warning issued on the beginning of the article (too much detail) so I took that as impetus for my removals. Here's a rough breakdown of what I removed.
A lot of it was quotes (either kept but trimmed, or removed) from thinkers and writers in magazines and journals etc. but people who I didn't think were of note. For example a quote by "Arindajit Dube and Ethan Kaplan of the University of Massachusetts Amherst" was trimmed quite a bit (it had many many sentences in that quote, more than I think it needd) but I still kept parts of it. I didn't touch quotes from, say, Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. I do recll removing a quote from the Prez of Greenpeace but I was on the fence about that one (in the section about 'reactions to OWS'), I think a reasonable person could put it back and I wouldn't object. But the original article had a lot of quotes from onlookers and magazine authors that I didn't think were particularly notable on their own in the article - perhaps put them into the Reactions to OWS article? (i believe that article exists) And those quotes were often opinion pieces. For example: "Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times noted "while alarmists seem to think that the movement is a 'mob' trying to overthrow capitalism, one can make a case that, on the contrary, it highlights the need to restore basic capitalist principles like accountability"".
I deleted the entire section on Protestor Demographics and Funding because I'm not really sure how relevant that is to the article? Some discussion on this would be helpful for me and for the article. I'm ok with putting it back into the article but afterwards I would still question its encyclopedic relevance in a discussion form - sorry for deleting those prematurely. For the case of the Funding section, it had a lot of excesively detailed minutiae and if financial information is relevant to the article, I think it should be summarized much more briefly than it was previously.
There were some segments about protestor and police activity, describing behaviors like "some people marched here", "police were parked here", etc. which I don't think belong in the article because theyre too detailed and didnt have a significant effect in themselevs beyond just being parts of this protest. So I trimmed those down, I didn't remove all of it. I think I removed a few sentences about a city council member being shoved by police, I think that could reasonably be put back, I was on the fence about removing that as well for excessive detail. Some discussion would definitely be appreciated in re how much detail should be given to individual instances of violence, arrest, or police activity or mistreatment, I think a lot of the parts on this topic that I removed could reasonably be put back.
I trimmed down the section about OWS media and publications, but I left most of the encyclopedic content there. It read a bit like promotion and advertisement but some sentence removals fixed that and put it back into a neutral objective tone.
I removed the entire section on Anarchism because I figured it could be included on the page about Reactions to OWS, so once again please accept my apologies for prematurely deleting that instead of moving it to another page.
Finally, some other reaction movements like Occupy George and Occupy Yale weren't big enough to merit mention, in my opinion.
I hope this explains my thought process, hopefully you can agree that I removed a good amount of excessive detail while we can still discuss how much of what I deleted should be put back - in particular, quotes and analyses by magazine thought leaders, and coverage of individual legal cases / protestor action / police activity. I think a lot of the former can go into (if it isn't already in) the article about Reactions to OWS and that would be a more appropriate place to put it.
Hey guys, do you have any thoughts about how I/we can improve this article or about the content I removed? Would love to hear feedback and ideas. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 04:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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