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Dalai Lama title

I am surprised that no one points out the term Dalai Lama was given by Altan Khan, the leader of Tumet Mongol to the third Dalai Lama Sonam Gyatso (Tib: bsod nams rgya mtsho) in 1578.

Please feel free to add it here if you feel it is appropriate, whoever you are (anonymous?), plus this is mentioned under the article on the Third Dalai Lama who was the one to receive it. Cheers, MacPraughan (talk) 21:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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1. "Buddhist Digital Resource Center". www.tbrc.org. Retrieved 2019-02-05.

It was there at one time. 109.156.38.206 (talk) 14:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it was taken away once there was a massive edit from Chinese account that wanted to make the Dalai Lama title something made up and control by China, thus taken away mentions of other countries' involvement. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 20:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

That's not really an excuse to justify a serious ommission of facts. What did the chinese write? Was it inacurrate? Regardless, the accurate info that shouldn't be left out, was that Dalai lamas only existed after Tibet was Colonised. There used to be tibetan kings prior. What changed was the mongols. They took over and created the dai lai lamas and got rid of the tibetan kings's total rule. The first dalai lama was ultimately politically powerless and served the mongols as its class superior. The very name, “dalai” is indeed of mongol origin. Not tibetan deprivation. They did not freely adopt the mongol word for the novelty of it, but the title itself was created by the mongols and not tibetans. That is not written clearly in the article anywhere.

″The political or secular authority of the Dalai Lamas over Tibet was a mechanism of non-Tibetan origin, and the name Dalai is of Mongol, not Tibetan, derivation. Since the 18th century Chinese authorities assumed the right to supervise the choice of new Dalai and Panchen Lamas, and the Tibetans have had to turn to China for protection against foreign invasions."

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/01/opinion/l-tibet-couldn-t-lose-what-it-never-had-332046.html 14.202.177.65 (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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