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This page has is no longer available in China.

I have access to view the talk page on China, but I can't read the article on China any more. The page must be too controversial. Andyohio 12:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Possibly because of this paragraph, which accurately summarizes worldwide views of PRC human rights: "Post-1978 reforms on the mainland have led to some relaxation of the control over many areas of society. However, the Chinese government still has absolute control over politics, and it continually seeks to eradicate threats to the stability of the country . Examples include the fight against terrorism, jailing of political opponents and journalists, custody regulation of the press, regulation of religions, and suppression of independence/secessionist movements. In 1989, the student protests at Tiananmen Square were violently put to an end by the Chinese military after 15 days of martial law." Ashibaka tock 15:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Possibly the Tiananmen Square reference is getting it censored by keyword? I wonder what would happen if we called it T1anm3n sq4r3 instead? <very innocent look>. Kim Bruning 21:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I tried a little ASCII hack, replacing i with &#105;, but it looks like Misplaced Pages pre-renders that. Ashibaka tock 16:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do we even have a Names of China section?

This section takes up almost half the article over an utterly trivial aspect of China. I think the entire section should simply be moved to Names of China. Does anyone object? --Ideogram 16:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I say go ahead. Ashibaka tock 21:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Could we keep a small section there (with a link to the main article Names of China, of course)? Basically saying that the Chinese name is Zhongguo, what Zhongguo means, and explaining the western name "China". I think it would be worth keeping this much information here and giving the more detailed info on the new page. Heimstern Läufer 21:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

What new page? you mean the page that I was saying a long time ago the Middle Kingdom arguement needed to be moved to? --洋金 2006 November 16, 09:56 zulu

Since no one has objected I will go ahead and make the change. (I'm sure after I do it someone will object.) --Ideogram 07:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

So far I like it, Ideogram. Good work! I think what we left behind in this article covers what needs to be covered pretty well, and the new Names of China article is very thorough. Heimstern Läufer 07:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ideogram 07:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Haha looks like we've finally settled the pointless Middle vs Central debate. Good job Ideo. --Naus 21:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

/me bows --Ideogram 22:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Portal:China

Please join the discussion at Portal talk:China. --Ideogram 04:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A Question about Chinese Science and Technology

Inventions like Paper,Ship Rudder,Gunpowder etc are not in dispute but would members be able to show sources of the rest of Chinese inventions? I don't see how anyone can invent Bronze which is of course just one small point anyway more infomation would be useful as there are no sources or references on the main page thanks in advance for anyone who helps I need this for a project im working on :) -Easternknight Jegal 02:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)11-18-06Jegal 02:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• I think this Sci and Tech section needs to be thoroughly revised or done away with. A list like that is meaningless and its wasting a lot of white space, making the article seem longer than it really is. --Naus 21:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree. --Ideogram 22:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Linkifying

I thought it was generally advised to linkify only the first usage of a term, and never in headings. --Ideogram 22:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know.. but this is such a natural place to address the dichotomy. I mean a lot of content has been covered before this section, this a long article, so it's bothersome to go all the way up for the ROC or PRC article links, especially when this section is specifically talking about PRC and ROC as separate entities for the first time (whereas the entire non-lead article before only talked about China). You can change it if you want, but I feel that it's a convenient and natural place for the linkage. --Naus 23:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. --Ideogram 23:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hot Zhang Ziyi photo

Stay or go? The photo of Zhang Ziyi photo is legal and free for use on Misplaced Pages. --JakeLM 09:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Movies

Movies are not necessarily "arts", they are mostly popular culture and should not be in the Arts, Literature and Scholarship section, but in the general culture section. This move was unjustified. And how do I discuss the Zhang Ziyi photo when you keep removing it? No one would know it even existed! --JakeLM 09:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Arts are a subset of Culture. Movies are a subset of arts. And you also reverted my deletion of the paragraph on rice, do you have an opinion on that? Not to mention the paragraph as you wrote it needs to be copyedited.

As for old versions, anyone examining the edit history can click on an old version to see what it looked like. --Ideogram 09:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You will note that the link to Cinema of China is already under the Arts subsection. --Ideogram 09:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

How about let's give it a run of 48 hours. It's hard to approve something that isn't there. I don't think it's that offensive to merit an immediate deletion. --JakeLM 09:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not going to revert again. As long as you are willing to talk about it I am in no hurry, and, as I said, all the old versions are still in the edit history. --Ideogram 10:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

You really need to use edit summaries. Do you know what I am talking about? --Ideogram 10:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of this article

The purpose of this article should be a NPOV uniting country article for the PRC and the ROC (paying attention to the common history leading to their separation), not some vague notion of "Chinese civilization." If one wishes to make a Chinese civilization article, he/she is more than welcome to under the title "Chinese civilization" (or "Sinic civilization"). China is foremost a contemporary country with two modern interpretations today and this is what this article should be about. --Naus 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Secondly, the lists of scientific and technological achievements of China is useless in the main article and should be moved to a more minor page. Those links have little ties with China and are not explained. A single paragraph summary is more than enough to cover this list. Ideogram had removed the list just 2 days ago, but apparently it's back up again. Someone doesn't seem to get the point. --Naus 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thirdly, putting a picture of the Great Wall is controversial as it is Han-centric, and suggestive that China = Han. Again, this article should not attempt to be a Chinese civilization article, but rather a NPOV article on the country known as China, which includes a great deal of peoples traditionally on the other side of the Wall or have no concern for the Wall at all. It should be strongly noted that the Qing Dynasty had very little use for the Wall and modern China is the direct successor of the Qing Dynasty. If one really wants to add that picture (it's a good photo), then put it in the history, culture or technological achievement section. It shouldn't belong in the lead paragraph. You might as well be putting a picture of a panda bear in the lead paragraph. --Naus 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Fourthly, a geographic/terrain map of China belongs in the Geography/Climate section. China is foremost a country, not a geographic area (which go by the terms: Chinese landmass, continental China or mainland China instead). --Naus 04:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems like Chinese Civilization might already be thoroughly explained in History of China, but some article merging and forking could be done to create a separate article if necessary. Cowman109 04:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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