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Thank you

Another thanks for your help at the China article. We'll see if the new compromise holds, but at any rate, you've done a wonderful job coming up with innovative solutions to problems. I hope one day I'll be able to be as fair and impartial as you are in working with other editors. Heimstern Läufer 06:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)\

Anyway, I'm glad that this episode seems to have been resolved - thank you very much for your efforts. Your version is very fine indeed. --Sumple (Talk) 05:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for solving that whole issue. If only all of us can be as patient and impartial as you are :D --Sumple (Talk) 07:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Hi SlimVirgin. I wanted to thank you with flowers (well, flower) for supporting me for adminship. I consider it a real honour to have had you nominate me, and it was clear from the comments in support that your judgment weighed heavily in my favour. I look forward to continuing to work with you and I'm sure I'll be seeking your counsel as I slowly get to grips with the tools. Now, more than ever, please do let me know if I can be of assistance and especially if you spot me making an error. Many thanks once again. Yours, Rockpocket 07:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of truth and justice

Thanks for taking a stand on the issue of the Argentine prosecuter's religion in the Hezbollah case and not standing idlely by. --GHcool 09:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Industrial agriculture

I really don't think your image belongs at the top of the page as the first image. It's a valid image, assuming it was in the criticism section. However, the article is industrial agriculture, not criticism of industrial agriculture, and the first image should reflect that. I see that you told the user who changed the image to provide a source for his image. Then again, what sort of source is the one for your picture? The site it comes from is an anti-factory farm and will (obviously) be biased against it. The pig picture is an extreme case, and hardly the average condition in a factory farm. As for the picture you removed - you said he needed a source to "prove" it was an example of industrialized farming. The picture is clearly factory farming - what else would it be? It might be biased in that it has better than average conditions, but your picture has far worse than average conditions. In its current context with its wording, the picture is clearly not NPOV. --Karafias 10:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Hate

User HKelkar already involved in various content and personal disputes - arbitrations has gotten a step further calling me a Pakistani when I have explicitly mentioned that I hold an Indian passport

"My Indian passport does not list religion.Is your's special"

.This type of name calling is not very dissimilar to the Hindu chauvinists in India one of whose sites (I won't mention the site name here for providing them undue publicity - google search can tell) says "All muslims should go back to Pakistan and Bangladesh where I am sure they will be welcomed."I would like you to take cognizance of this user and others using the right wing Hindu rhetoric and calling names to those who don't agree to their narrow version TerryJ-Ho 11:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do you continue to prod him about being Jewish? Huh? Answer that.Bakaman _Bakatalk 19:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

He's Hindu. BhaiSaab 22:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually you're wrong, I'm the only Hindu user in this dispute.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Read properly - the last comment (where I mentioned the Jewish aspect) as - "My Indian passport does not list religion.Is your's special" on that thread was October 29 - He has updated them twice of his own accord.In fact he wants to show himself as Jewish and support the Hindutvavadis as a neutral party.Most authors monopolising the Hinduism and India related articles are Hindus.You are not the only one,though there is no reason why that should matter..India is highly represented on Misplaced Pages and Hindus being 80% of the population are sure to edit in a higher volume.Many of the edits are done by Indian diaspora influenced by organisations like the RSS.Even in any case,if I or any editor had queried Hkelkar's religion - which seems a bit weird because he claims to be Jewish (their population in India is in some thousands)- on the other hand writing almost all the articles with visibly a right wing Hindu discourse - Hkelkar has responded with such heinous characterisations that deserve no place in academic space saying "Muslims in Pakistan were fishing out Hindus by raiding villages and asking men to drop their pants/dhotis and checking to see if they were circumcised? If so, the pass, if not, then instant beheading.The Pakistani Jews managed to get away with it coz they were also circumcised and were thus mistaken for Muslims by the Muslims."Hkelkar adds about killings of Hindus in Partition of India quoting Khushwant Singh's Train to Pakistan without consistently showing the source - Here is the source and it says “The fact is, both sides killed.” again he says "Regarding passports, did you know that Pakistani passports force their citizens to officially acknowledge Mohamed as the one true prophet, even if you are a Hindu, Christian or Sikh Pakistani?" - All the above are false and concoted and inspite of my asking to refrain from hate speak - He calls me a Pakistani - in short a Traitor..He should pay for such hatespeakMerryJ-Ho

Carry on; don't mind me. ;-) SlimVirgin 04:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That's very responsible,Slimvirgin..Thanks Mate - TerryJ-Ho

Well who do you think the Jews would like more, the Hindus that protected them for 2000 years, or the Muslims that slaughtered them and kicked them out of their homeland?Bakaman _Bakatalk 18:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

My attention was drawn to this dispute by another user. I must comment that such statements made by TerryJ-Ho are in extremely poor taste and are part of a pattern of bias that I have seen in him. He has made various attacks of my Jewishness (a point which should be immaterial on wikipedia), keeps addressing me by the pejorative "Jew" (rather than the more appropriate adjective-noun "Jewish") despite my educating him against such behaviour, and, of course, he keeps with his anti-Hindu sentiments, which kind of goes against the grain of my patrilineal side, but that's another matter. I invite you to read my report of TerryJ-Ho, which I will be appending shortly Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Statement_by_Hkelkar. Shalom.Hkelkar 04:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, see this for the opinion of another user on TerryJ-Ho's offensive, bigoted and ethnically loaded bile above. i will, of course, add his hateful comments on this talk page in my portfolio of evidence demonstrating his intense bigotry and prejudices.Hkelkar 04:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and everything I said was true to the hilt. See this report by the United States Congress here. Also, see Pakistani Jews before Siddiqui's whitewash here and Anti-Semitism#Pakistan.Hkelkar 05:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and another user has expressed his opinion of Terry's post above hereHkelkar 05:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and not all of my articles have to do with the "Hindu Right" (whatever THAT means). I have also edited extensively on anti-semitism,Indian Jews,J.F.R. Jacob,Ezekiel Isaac Malekar, and India-Israel relations,and , of course, the dear dear friends of a certain someone who shall remain nameless, Lashkar-e-Toiba, the premier whack-jobs of South Asia.Hkelkar 05:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally, I find TerryJ-Ho's accusations of "Hindu Chauvinists" rather rich. I'm sure if YOU did another Google search, you will see a vast plethora of Muslim sites saying "Hindus are dung eaters","Hindus are subhuman kaffirs","To kill a Hindu is not a crime, but the true path to Allah","Kill all Hindus, it's cheaper than getting them out of Pakistan",(this one's famous for having been said during the Noakhali Genocide) "We shall take Pakistan by killing all Hindus", and many more.Hkelkar 05:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh,and one thing. Although it is not directly relevant, TerryJ-Ho's more likely a Pakistani than an Indian. Most educated Indian muslims don't have such intense hatred for Hindus and Indian culture (mostly the poorly educated and fundamentalist lot like the Ghanchi muslims of Gujarat or the Kashmiri muslims etc. most of whom are "High Caste Ashraf" muslims who have been indoctrinated into hating Hindus in their Madrassas, the paradoxically more educated lower caste "Ajlaf" and "Arzal" muslims, as well as the slightly more cosmopolitan Ashrafs of Hyderabad-India etc., being traditionally barred from madrassas because of their "lowly" or "heretical" status, were more readily exposed to Western education and Western values and were not indoctrinated by Fundamentalist madrassas). Based on his rigidly Islamist views, I'm more inclined to believe that TerryJ-Ho is a Sindhi Pakistani, or a Siraiki-speaking Multani-type fellow. Of course, he insists that he is Indian, so...Hkelkar 07:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I just dont get why is everybody raisng the non-issue of Kelkar's Jewishness. Any knowledgable fella will tell ya Bene-Israelis have Marathi names like Kelkar. Anyways Kelkar is a Bagdhadi Jew as he states and you have no option but to accept that. JFR Jacob a Baghdadi Jew, for instance is a BJP member! Moreover numerical count of Indian jews doesnt matter, all that matters is how cosmopolitan the community is. You are more likely to find a Parsi at Misplaced Pages rather than say a Baloch. File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 11:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• All above are baseless characterisations and rhetoric from HKelkar and company ...All the Jewishspeak is coming from them reinforcing my previous contention.MerryJ-Ho 12:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And the paranoia accelerates Hkelkar 14:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Me a part of "Kelkar company"? Dudio, i've been here loong before you guys. Anyways i wont bother deciphering your opaque speak. Given that your actual productive contributions to Misplaced Pages amount to zero, nada, zilch! You seem to be fixated with a 5-6 Hindutva articles. Personally I dont support Hindutva or its manifestations (this is an ex-HSS member you are talking to), but theres a fine line between objective critique of Hindutva and anti-Hinduism. In my book you've crossed it.

P.S Indian passport doesnt make you Indian. Respect for Indian culture makes you one. File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Fictional texts

I'd love any input or organization you might be able to put to User:Phil Sandifer/Fiction essay. I'm trying to work out on broad principle some of the popular culture issues, at least as they relate to fictional texts, so that debates over them are somewhat less sterile, and so that everyone is on the same page about things like sourcing.

(And I'll answer your arbcom questions today. Sorry - they're the hardest ones on the page, and I need to actually take care with them in a way that I don't with some of the others, which tend to either have obvious correct answers or, to my mind, fundamentally misunderstand arbitration) Phil Sandifer 18:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally got the arbcom questions. Phil Sandifer 23:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

re: use of themselves

"The phrase 'the organizations themselves have said ...," for example, is standard English. I don't really see how anyone could misunderstand the sentence in the policy. On the other hand, the phrase "authoring organization" is completely unclear and sounds like someone has made it up. SlimVirgin 12:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you have used a plural. You would not say "the organization themselves", you would say "the organization itself".

For the record, I did not state "authoring organization" but it is entirely clear, if a highly specific and intelligent use of English. I think we need more than two opinions on this matter as others have expressed an interest to clarify it. As stated, where conflict arose due to the generality of the statement was where it was interpretated that "themselves" only permitted the authoring individuals or organizations to use self-published material - which is, of course, ridiculous.

Drop "authoring" individual or organization into Google , , and I think you will find it is widely and commonly used particularly in Governmental and Educational circles.

195.82.106.244 12:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you may have cracked it by the use of "authors(s)". KISS etc.

195.82.106.244 12:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hafele-Keating experiment sprotection

Maybe I'm being dumb here but sprotecting Hafele-Keating experiment locked out Uknewthat editing as an IP - but he kept right on editing with his user ID. What's the point? All anon's got locked out while the trouble user kept right on editing. (I know he's banned now but still...) Shouldn't this be unprotected now? —Wknight94 (talk) 14:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Uknewthat is blocked indefinitely. Is he continuing to edit? SlimVirgin 22:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support on my RfA

My RfA has passed with a vote of 71/1/0, and the mop is in my hand. Thank you for your support. Thank you also for your previous offer to nominate me, even though I did not feel I was ready at the time. I will be starting slow, and I will appreciate any guidance or correction that may be necessary as I learn to swing the mop. -- Donald Albury 00:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

No problem. Removing personal info takes priority. -- Steel 02:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)