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Chicago meetups

I JethroBT,

I just came back from a very long period of inactivity, and I've read your messages about the various meetups you've organized at University of Chicago. I studied there, so I'm really glad to hear that you've reached out to those students! If you're planning any similar events soon, I'd love to join. I hope you're doing well! --Edge3 (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Edge3: Welcome back! (I've had to take my breaks too.) I don't have any events on my radar just yet, but I'll be sure you get in touch with you on your talk page about upcoming events. You might also reach out to Airplaneman, who has also been interested in organizing these events. While we're on the subject, Airplaneman, how do you feel about doing an edit-a-thon at one of the U Chicago libraries, without a particular theme aside from getting together and working on some content together? We could aim to do it in January or February when students aren't bogged down with finals. I've done plenty of thematic edit-a-thons, but I think we're due up for something more general and relaxed. Let me know what you think. I, JethroBT 05:44, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@Edge3: @I JethroBT: Hey all, I'm glad to see mutual interest in events at UChicago. I've been trying to involve more UChicago students in Misplaced Pages, and part of that includes reaching out to interest groups to harness particular passions. I've been in talks with the Feminist Forum about doing a feminism-themed edit-a-thon some time in the winter quarter (January–March). I do agree, though, that a general non-thematic edit-a-thon is a good way to focus less on specific content goals and more on Misplaced Pages itself (which sounds good for introducing people to editing). I love the idea of having an event in January sometime. Students return the week of January 4. Airplaneman ✈ 00:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: @I JethroBT: Sounds good! I think a non-thematic event would also be good, in addition to whatever themed events you've already planned. This would be a good way to just get people together in a more casual meetup. Edge3 (talk) 17:16, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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Question

Hey, I had a question about a potential COI. Long story short, I've created articles for Lawrie Brewster, Jamie Scott Gordon, and Lord of Tears. (There's also another film article I've done that's Brewster related, but that's a redirect right now.) I'm Facebook friends with Brewster and Gordon. It's kind of the scenario where I saw their work, enjoyed it, and then found their public Facebook accounts they use for promoting their work. I've spoken a little with Brewster by way of me asking some Misplaced Pages related questions (straight up asking for sources and clarification on things for the LoT article), but they've never asked me to create anything nor have they ever even hinted at this. They were basically created in the same vein a lot of us create articles: out of pure fangirl/boy-ness. I don't think that there's really a COI here, but I figured that I would ask since I've never really written about anyone that I actually had a link to - albeit a tenuous one. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Tokyogirl79: Yeah, I agree there isn't a COI problem here. I think one factor that comes into play in situations like this is the nature of your affiliation with the individuals and the production. I try to avoid editing articles on people and places that I've had any professional affiliation. "Facebook friends" doesn't strike me as particularly close, and reaching out to them directly to ask them for sources and verification seems like a productive thing, not any sort of problem. I don't necessarily think it's a problem if the subjects have asked for certain edits to be made, so long as they are consistent with relevant considerations like WP:DUE and WP:NOTPROMO (but it's better if they make accounts and request it themselves). And as an aside on writing as a fan, if we had to stop writing on stuff we were fans of, Misplaced Pages would sure be a lot more empty! Thanks for asking for my perspective! I, JethroBT 00:37, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

That's a relief to hear! Other than being a fangirl, there's no other ulterior motive. Heck, I've even hesitated to create some of them since I wasn't sure that they would pass criteria. I may approach them and ask them to upload some photos of themselves to WC just so we can have something for the bio articles, though. I just had this one little spot of panic since I've created a lot of articles on people in a certain group and I didn't want to make it seem like I was making a walled garden or anything. I don't think that anyone would really think that I'd do that, but I dunno - lately Misplaced Pages just seems a little stranger than usual. I don't know if it's just me or perhaps Yunshui retiring (or the now infamous Atlantic article) kind of put a damper on things for me, but lately Misplaced Pages just seems to be taking an odd turn. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Tokyogirl79: I wasn't aware Yunshui had retired since you just mentioned it...sheesh, that hurts. I just left a message on his talk page. I hope to see him contributing again here in any capacity. I, JethroBT 06:59, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Now here's a question: I haven't created an article yet for one of the writers from the film, Sarah Daly. She tends to work on the same projects as Brewster (they're partners) and I've mentioned her in his article, but I don't know if she'd pass on her own or not. I'm mildly debating revamping it into an article like Adam Gierasch and Jace Anderson, since almost all of their work is the same. I may just add another field to the table on his page to mark the projects that she's written. Establishing notability for film writers is just so difficult since they don't always gain gobs of coverage. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
That's a tricky situation, and I hate it when coverage is slim for a subject that should have more of it. Without a lot of general coverage, there's really only WP:CREATIVE to fall back on in this case. Maybe there is something there? The idea to combine two film writers together in one article is interesting, but challenging; I think there would need to be convincing evidence that the two generally are described as essentially one unit: Are they credited together in films they produce? Do they tend not to do a lot of work independent of each other? If there are awards for their work, is it awarded to both of them or just one? When their names do come up in sources, is it together (e.g. Rodgers and Hammerstein for their musicals) or separate (e.g. Gene Roddenberry and Rick Berman as executive directors for Star Trek: TNG)? To the extent they are separate, I think they need to be treated as independent articles, and can't inherit notability from the other. I, JethroBT 06:59, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
It's definitely tricky. The articles that are out there that mention her, usually just mention her in relation to Brewster. However it's usually an offhand mention. I believe that they're a couple, but I'm not sure. If they were, then that would make it potentially easier since they could be a duo like Gierasch and Anderson. As far as their work goes, they pretty much go hand in hand with everything. If one is working on something in any capacity, the other is going to be included somehow - although with Daly it's almost always as the writer. She has a few to her credit - Kids vs Monsters (another one I wrote that I forgot about) and Lord of Tears. Technically that could be considered enough. As far as the stuff on Brewster's entry, I think that she's written at least 80% of those works. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

In any case, it's rare for one not to be mentioned, although Brewster has had mentions in the media that do not mention Daly. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Unblock request by User:Excelse

Concerning the unblock request by User:Excelse, see also my commentary here. As I was the opponent of this user in a recent arbcom case and have been warned on my talk page that even if I believe that other editors are acting inappropriately it is never acceptable to make personal attacks and inappropriately labelling edits as vandalism, shouldn't Excelse also be warned on his talk page, as his edits were more disruptive than mine? Onefortyone (talk) 13:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@Onefortyone: I'm heading to a wedding shortly, and I don't have a great deal of time to look into this behavior until Tuesday. I'll echo Bbb23's sentiments on their talk page response to you; if you want to file another SPI or submit a report to ANI based on the behavior you've noted, you are welcome to. I, JethroBT 15:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hello!

I followed your email about the IeadsLab and put in my 2 cents; now where are the results to be seen? BTW I read Asimov's I, Robot (and The Rest of the Robots) - much better than the film, in my opinion. It's also available as an AudioBook on YouTube if you'd like to listen to it. Cheers! Shir-El too 13:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Shir-El too: Hey Shir-El. Thanks for taking the time to participate, I really appreciate it. I haven't actually seen the film, but it sounds like I'm better off not having watched it. I haven't read The Rest of the Robots yet— I'll have to give that a look! I've been listening to audiobooks a little more these days, so thanks for the recommendation. As for Future IdeaLab Campaigns, I'll be publishing a report on meta here with the results around the end of January 2016. I'll also announce the first IdeaLab campaign we'll run at that time. Oh, and this talk page is my volunteer account, so if you want to get in touch with me about my WMF-related work, I'll usually respond a little faster over at m:User talk:I JethroBT (WMF). I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 08:33, 7 December 2015 (UTC)