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Edit warring

There has been an edit war going on between Sjones23 and Dartfan20 for much of the past month. I'm not completely sure what the issue is, but the edit warring needs to stop and discussion needs to start before both of you end up blocked. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I want to explain why I have been reverting before it gets any worse (disclosure: I was once blocked for edit warring nearly 5 years ago): Dartfan20, who has admitted to being a sockpuppet of the blocked user 75.82.92.70 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), has been adding dubious unsourced content repeatedly to this page (which includes broadcasters). The relevant SPI case can be found Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Dartfan20. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Ditto. I can confirm everything Lord Sjones23 is saying. This has been going on for a while now, and not only on this article. But also, European Broadcasting Union, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball (anime) among other. As I see it, it's just a clean-cut case of one editor persistently vandalizing a few articles even after being warned multiple times by multiple users. ProKro (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

LGBT categories

So I'm adding the categories now. (Walks away slowly) Boaxy (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• Totally unnecessary edits. Just because there are such characters does not mean that the series is entirely LGBT-oriented.--Loyalmoonie (talk) 04:51, 8 July 2015 (UTC)Chris
  • So what do I do now. Sailor moon isn't apart of the LGBT culture. :(. I feel like I'm not a true Sailor Moon fan now. Sailor Moon is what caused me from not committing suicide in junior high school. Boaxy (talk) 02:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Check your talk page; I will tell you something there (this isn't the place for me to place it).--Loyalmoonie (talk) 03:27, 10 July 2015 (UTC)Chris
      • I'm trying to be civil as I'm not trying to attack anyone. I respect your character, however I disagree with your analogies. My goal is to get those categories up, your goal is to keep them down. So that is where the problem lies. The thing is we have to get this resolved. Boaxy (talk) 10:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I stay with my previous position. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

• • It's like you guys have amnesia or there are double standards going on. Do I have to open up another consensus or whatever. Yeah I think I will. Those categories were up, and they will be up again.Boaxy (talk) 08:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

RfC: LGBT categories?

Due to the fact that many protagonists/antagonists of the franchise are LGBT, as well as many episodes dealing with LGBT issues, are the LGBT anime categories suitable for this article? Boaxy (talk) 09:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

• No See all the previous comments above. Your repeated creation of RfC after RfC in order to get these categories added is becoming WP:TENDENTIOUS. —Farix (t | c) 18:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Yes The previous discussion above, clearly noted, was off topic and imprecise to the dispute. It was asking for main themes, not whether the categories should be applied. As I said before, I don't think it is a main theme, but I do think it qualifies as a category. Derekloffin (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment How should WP:CATDEF apply? I'll cite an example so that people aren't projecting their personal or current perspectives on the subject. Suppose the show has a team of ten members, two of whom are ninjas. Would that show be categorized as "Ninja-related anime and manga"? Or "Ninjas in anime and manga"? Or "Ninja anime and manga" or "Kunoichi anime and manga"? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

So based on my example, I think it would be fine to include it in the first two categories (X-related and X in anime and manga), and based on the conclusions of the previous discussion the "X anime and manga" and "X (subcategory) anime and manga)" would not apply. That it is part of Wikiproject X would be up to the project. but I think it's pertinent as the introduction and exclusion of such characters generated notable discussion in secondary reliable sources. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

• `No geez this again? look at the above concensus. this is becoming WP:TENDENTIOUS. Please lock this article already. Loominginterval4545 (talk) 03:00, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I looked. Here, here's the closing comment: "Clear consensus that no, LGBT should not be a "main theme". However it is not clear what this means for the categorization of the article; I see several people writing this means that the article can still be categorized as Category:LGBT-related anime and manga as that is a different question. If we still have a debate over the article's categorization, then unfortunately we need a different RFC for that, that states the question to be decided clearly." So, it seems to me you're not even bothering to understand the issue here as the original discussion even the closer could see it was off topic and discussing something quite different than the issue at hand, so pointing back to it isn't relevant. If you want to vote no, that's fine, but vote no on the proper basis. Derekloffin (talk) 07:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Neutral But perhaps we should ask this: Is the central conflict LGBT in nature? I don't like equating gender identity & sexuality to race, but I'm forced to draw such a parallel here: Would a show whose cast is predominately white be considered to belong in white-people categories? Meanwhile, is a show whose cast is predominately black considered to belong in black-people categories? Would we categorize a show about & made by African Americans as an "African American" type show if its central themes did not include race relations? Zeke, the Mad Horrorist _{(Follow my trail)} 15:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
  • When in Rome. I know it sucks, but that is just how wikipedia generally is. The whole point of an encyclopedia is to be politically correct and label and get as much information on every person, place, thing or ideas possible. There aren't that many predominately black shows, so it's nice to categorize them, so putting a category of "African-American" shows, in the Cosby show article makes sense. There aren't that many LGBT related anime stories that deal with transgender issues or lesbian and homosexual romance like Sailor Moon does. So it's nice to honor that and show that Sailor Moon does fall under that circumstance. Yeah I see what you mean, I would love for people to just be people, and tv shows to just be tv shows, being that the anime community for the most part is in a bubble of sorts and uses anime to escape themselves from politically correct socialism, which is why anime is as obscure as it is. But anime like any type of culture, still falls under the sense of reality structure and if a show has lgbt characters and storylines, those categories should be added. Boaxy (talk) 09:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose for lack of sources - Per Misplaced Pages:Categorization: "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial; if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy, then a list article (which can be annotated and referenced) is probably more appropriate." How many sources connect Sailor Moon to LGBT? It takes more than mentioning that characters are queer to say that the show includes LGBT as a theme. Should we add this category to every show with a queer character? The fact that you're getting so many opposing editors and having to redo this RFC shortly after the last one tells me that this is indeed controversial and therefore the categorization is inappropriate. PraetorianFury (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Controversy or homophobia?, first of all this has nothing to do with the previous dispute. That discussion was to ask if LGBT should be the main theme for Sailor Moon, and the consensus said that it wasn't. However, that discussion didn't mean that LGBT categories still couldn't be added. Hence why I started this separate discussion. I agree that the category shouldn't be added to every single show that has a LBGT character. Like shows that just have one time, or non re-curring LGBT characters or plots shouldn't be added. But every single season had some sort of main LGBT plot line, character or development. With a few main protagonists/antagonists characters being LGBT themselves. You say it's controversial to add those categories, but I say it's more homophobia. I wish people would just be honest instead of sugar coating everything. The categories should be added and I now see the only reason they are not being added is due to the fandom having bias, third party opinions over LGBT dialogue. Boaxy (talk) 05:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is probably one of the most liberal and politically correct places you can find on the internet. If you come here and start decrying a homophobic conspiracy, it doesn't reflect well on your objectivity. But regardless of my perception of the encyclopedia's culture, I'd be willing to change my mind if you could present sources making the connection to the LGBT community. PraetorianFury (talk) 18:19, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

It IS related to the first discussion as certain proposed categories carry the "Main Theme" weight: "X anime and manga" and "X (subgenre) anime and manga". That your original proposal is vague would mean you will probably not get a consensus for this thread. I suggest you list the specific categories that would be of concern, and then have a yes/no vote on those. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:03, 19 August 2015 (UTC) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:07, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

You guys are making this way more complex, than it needs to be. At this point, we are climbing a mountain with our backs turned. In response to PraetorianFury, I never once said that all of wikipedia, is like that or the whole spectrum of the site is homophobic. I know that it isn't. I have a usergroup on my userpage that says I am an LGBT person, and have been since I was a young child. What I meant was, there are certain topics and users on this site, who don't wish to associate everything with the LGBT lifestyle, due to some type of homophobic belief. I have talked to many users and anime fans who say categorizing the show LGBT, even though it is as show that falls under the LGBT category, is a negative connotation and everyone will assume people who watch Sailor Moon or involved with it, are gay. Shaking my head. Sources? You won't be given any because there is no need to. Watch the series, read the articles sweetheart. Thank you though for your input. In response to AngusWOOF, No it isn't related at all. Or else I've been lied to through this whole ordeal. If it were related, then the categories would have been added. This is a separate discussion and consensus we are trying to reach. What list? There is only one category for LGBT anime and manga. Which is why I am acting all aghast over this whole situation. Either show support, give unbiased, and non discriminatory constructive input on things that weren't already established, and stop with the personal attacks, however subtle they are. I'm being civil, you can be as well. Boaxy (talk) 08:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

@Boaxy:, we are making this exactly complex as policy requires. We can't really start modifying the encyclopedia based on what your friends are saying or based on what a few trolls might have said. What happens when the next user comes along and has had a different experience? Because of this problem, on Misplaced Pages, we make our decisions based on sources. You aren't going to change any minds without them. I imagine you're thinking you're fighting the good fight. But if you really want to effect some change, it's going to take more than arguing and throwing around accusations of homophobia when you don't get your way. Why don't you try to take a few minutes and do some research, like a good journalist or writer would do? That is effectively what we are here. If you can find some good sources supporting your position, great, your opponents won't have a leg to stand on. If you can't find any sources, that should tell you something about the position you're attempting to prove. PraetorianFury (talk) 16:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

This list when I search for "Category: LGBT anime":

• Category:LGBT-related anime and manga
• Category:Yaoi anime and manga
• Category:LGBT characters in anime and manga
• Category:Transgender and transsexual-related anime and manga
• Category:Yuri (genre) anime and manga
• Category:LGBT-related comics
• Category:Yaoi
• Category:Yuri (genre)
• Category:Japanese LGBT-related television programs (wasn't in direct search but has been applied on other shows)

Those are your LGBT anime categories as it stands. Note there is no Category:LGBT anime and manga. This category you are wanting to associate this show with hasn't been created. So again, I ask, what categories are you wanting Sailor Moon to be added? All of the above? The first one on the list? Or are you proposing the creation of the new category and adding Sailor Moon to that one? I'm sorry if my previous statement was interpreted as something personal. It's not meant to be. I'm just trying to be technical and precise to the discussion at hand. The difference between "LGBT anime" and "LGBT-related anime" IS the main theme implication. One word makes all the difference. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

• I'm not adding any sources. There are separate character list articles, and individual articles which clearly state the LGBT themes and plot lines. I apologize. I didn't know yuri and yaoi were separate categories. I am not an anime fan, and I didn't know those two genres were that popular. To be honest if it weren't for the fact that all of you guys are so difficult, every single category with the exception of the third one could be added. I was only under the assumption the first ninth categories were available. I made a typo, I meant to type the first category. Boaxy (talk) 08:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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