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Sam

The citations I have are notable and the subject is in these citations, in some cases you need to scroll several pages to get to the subject.

Can you point me to a particular sentence and citation and say this is not notable or appropriate ?

Thank you! Appreciate your help!

TH

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Wish U a Merry Christmas, too. Hope you'll get surprises:-) 0:39, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Reply on warning on user Kushus

Concerning your message on the user's editing on the article Hindon City-Rural, his edits have blanked the article and was against WP:BLANKING, regardless of intention. I do not have an opinion whether the article is a pov-fork, and is irrelevant to the user's edits at that time. Regards. KJ 14:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@Kkj11210: No, WP:BLANKING applies in user space, not in main space, but you did nothing here that I wouldn't have done myself. Luckily I had a lot more revision history to examine, and the POV-fork is obvious, compare Previous revision of Hindaun City-Rural with Hindaun, and I assume this was what motivated Kushus. Which they could have said in an edit-summary and saved us some time. Best, Sam 16:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant WP:BLANK, but alright. KJ 14:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem at all. Again, we would not be here, if Kushus has made his intention clear. Best, -- Sam 14:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Removal of BLPPROD

You removed the BLPPROD template from Paul Mclinden based on the addition of a source. The added source was the musician's own website which does not constitute a reliable source as required by the WP:BLP policy. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:13, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

No, the added source, "Paul McLinden Louder Than War". is not the artist's website, but it has now been added. -- Sam 13:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Apologies. I misread the reference. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

No prob, Dan, I'm looking into sources now, he might just pass. Best, -- Sam 13:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Dan, have a look at it. It was actually easier to find a handful of (not especially fantastic) references on McLinden than on The Gyres, Kenny Inglis, or Cinephile (band). Not that it says very much. -- Sam 14:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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Further Away notability

I notice you removed the {{notability}} tag from the article Further Away. You have added sources, which is good, but it appears these references are not specifically about the subject in question – I believe in order to qualify a subject as Misplaced Pages-notable it must contain numerous sources specifically about that subject, not just sources which may mention the subject. If this differs from your understanding please let me know, but, if not, I think the {{notability}} tag should be replaced.

Please notify me with the Talkback template once you have replied. Lachlan Foley (talk) 06:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lachlan Foley: The belief that "in order to qualify a subject as Misplaced Pages-notable it must contain numerous sources specifically about that subject" seems to me to be in conflict with WP:GNG that says Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material. (my emphasis). Which guideline is being quoted? -- Sam 10:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Notability (music). Lachlan Foley (talk) 23:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Where in NMUSIC does it say "it must contain numerous sources specifically about that subject"? -- Sam 23:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lachlan Foley: The lack of answer is noted. -- Sam 08:25, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was unaware I hadn't replied to this: I think it is generally implied throughout the article, but specifically Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label., with emphasis on the word "subject" – i.e. articles about The Holy Bible cited in the article for the song "4st 7lb" are ineligible as sources because "4st 7lb" is not the subject, The Holy Bible is. Lachlan Foley (talk) 09:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lachlan Foley: No problem. Let's stick to "Further Away". There is in WP:NSONGS no emphasis on the word "subject". There is the line saying "If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." But this is not the case with "Further Away." And neither that line, nor the "they have been the subject of ..." supports your initial belief that "it must contain numerous sources specifically about that subject, not just sources which may mention the subject". I personally don't care deeply for this article, I'm merely demonstrating that finding and adding sources was possible, but it does take a greater effort and sends a very different signal than tagging with {{Refimprove}} or {{Unreferenced}}. I suggest you put the article up for discussion on AfD. -- Sam 11:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

DARPA --> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency_Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency-2015-01-24T15:43:00.000Z">

Hello, I copy the text that I left on the discussion page redirection DARPA --> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

"Renaming of article DARPA" I intend to cancel this redirection to proceed with the renaming of article DARPA (acronym) with the title text, easier to understand in other articles (possibly restore after the renaming is effective)."

Thank you for your opinion. Trackteur (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)_Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency"> _Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency">

OK, merci Trackteur. Give me a moment, I will move the discussion so it gets more attention. -- Sam 15:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

admin

Admin closed Afd--Admnnassau (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

@Admnnassau: It will likely be closed very shortly, one hour more or less is not important. Please do not repeat the blanking. -- Sam 15:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar for short pages patrol work

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	I've been trying for a while to figure out who else was doing short pages patrol. Finally spotted someone else. Thank you for helping out on what is normally one of the more thankless, wikignomish tasks. TexasAndroid (talk) 20:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

@TexasAndroid: Thank you, Texas, I'm impressed that you noticed it (how??) and grateful that you acknowledged it. -- Sam 20:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

It had to do with that flood of sub-stub astronomical articles from late last week. I tagged some of them, but felt I didn't want to identically tag every single one. I came back yesterday to see the rest gone from the short pages report. Since I had some in my contributions list, I decided to see what had happened to the rest. Some were proded, but I noticed on at least one or two you sticking the "long comment" template on it. In general, that template is only used for short pages patrolling. A glance through your contributions showed that as not being an isolated case of you using that template. So I had thus spotted another short pages patroller. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@TexasAndroid: Brilliant! Yes, that was quite a red dwarf shower into main space. I sort-of gave up on WP:NASTRO and totally gave up on attempts to add sources, but as the creator looked as a rock solid editor in the astro department, I focused on getting these one-liners off the sacrosanct high altar of gnoming. ;) Best, -- Sam 16:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Unsigned message from Theoneandonly77

Hi Sam, please refrain for further editing the page Planet Veritas/ Veritas Language solutions. They are NOT the same company according UK law and to associate the two is incorrect. Please see this message board https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Veritas-in-Swansea-4161115.S.5941472333951696897?trk=groups_most_popular-0-b-cmr&goback=%2Enppvan_sandrineal%2Egmp_4161115 which contains many malicious and defamatory comments. One of these posters is present on the veritas talk page and we are currently in the process of starting legal action against them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoneandonly77 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@Theoneandonly77: I believe I understand that you are part of Planet Veritas considering you write we are currently in the process of starting legal action against them. Judging from and other sub-pages of said site, Planet Veritas is quite clearly Veritas Language Solutions re-branded. As you write on your web page "We set out to nurture our current customers, re-brand, re-structure give ourselves a spring clean". I can see that JamesBWatson already posted a welcome message to you regarding Conflict of interest. We can not use posts from Internet forums as sources for articles as the one you link to or the ones posted on the talk page. -- Sam 12:48, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Sam - Planet Veritas is NOT Veritas Language Solutions rebranded. If you believe this to be the case please provide evidence firstly before editing that page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoneandonly77 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Apart from http://www.planetveritas.com/about-us/veritas-history/ which quite obviously is the history of Veritas Language Solutions, you have on http://www.planetveritas.com/about-us/why-choose-veritas/awards/ a nice list of awards - exactly those that are mentioned in Planet Veritas and were awarded to Veritas Language Solutions. So, yes, as Sharon Stephens writes on your web page it's a re-brand. Although the article was created by an employee and maintained by several SPAs from the company, I doubt it will be possible to source it to meet the notability guidelines. -- Sam 13:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Lee Valley VeloPark

Hello there.....I am trying to move the London VeloPark page to give it its proper name, which is Lee Valley VeloPark. That's why I created a new page. Now I would like to delete the new page and just change the name of the existing page from London VeloPark to Lee Valley VeloPark. Can you help? I want to make people aware of the right information. Surely it shouldn't be so complicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbyCrombie (talk • contribs) 13:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

It isn't. You could leave a follow up message on Talk:Lee Valley VeloPark saying that you agree with what I wrote and ask the deleting admin to move London Velopark to Lee Valley VeloPark. Kind regardes, -- Sam 13:53, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Nashik page

Sir I am working on Nashik page (specially industry). please suggest me what more I can add to it to make it featured article page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.147.44 (talk) 06:35, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I would try to dig up some sources. Assuming you are from the Nashik area did you try to visit a library to see what has been written about the city? -- Sam 08:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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I got the notification in my ping queue, so I was already looking at it when I got your talk page comment. Since he had already had a 60-hour block for the same behaviour, I've escalated that to a one-week block this time. Bearcat (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

To think that anything will change for the better after a one-week block is optimistic. -- Sam 00:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, please stop requesting the shon pace page for deletion because all of the information on there is in fact notable. It is all factual, and I would appreciate it if you stop making false accusations. Shon Pace is a real person and the accomplishments made are all legitiment, thank you. if you can request on how to improve the page then do so, you are frustrating me alot right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savagepb1 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 1 February 2015‎

I can understand how you feel, but please understand that certain criteria for notability has to be met for inclusion, and as far as I can tell, Shon Pace is not notable. He may become notable in the future, and you are of course encouraged to improve the article with reliable sources and participate in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shon Pace. -- Sam 14:36, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Veritas Language Solutions and Planet Veritas

Hey Sam. Interesting conundrum going on here with this article you recently moved; I'm in an OTRS discussion (VRTS ticket # 2015012610021121) with the editor who has recently been blocked because they are seeking legal action against another editor inre: recent edits there and the talk page. That said, they claim the company is independent of the Language Solutions company of the same name, and as such, it is problematic to equate the two. If that's the case, the article should probably be moved back to its old location and Planet Veritas should be deleted at this time. I've done a look around for sources for the new company, and I don't see any reliable sources that connect the two companies at this time (unless I'm missing something), nor any independent sources that discuss "Planet Veritas" with any kind of depth for an article. I, JethroBT 02:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi I JethroBT. I think the first thing one could do here is to click on veritaslanguagesolutions.com and see where it takes you: www.planetveritas.com. From there it only takes a simple comparison of the article with the website to say it's the same little company. Same CEO (Sharon Stephens), same company history , same awards , same address, same telephone number; the connection seems to be confirmed here. But I can't help smiling here: these people make no attempts to hide that they created the article in the first place, and quite obviously have maintained it. The shit hits the fan, they liquidate and buy out assets, they re-brand. They might well be in their right to say that legally it's two unconnected entities, but from a layman's point of view they are having their cake and eating it. That being said, there are AFAIKT no solid secondary sources on-line that connects the two companies presently, otherwise I would have added them. An editor nevertheless has said on the talk page that they could do a rewrite, and I deprodded the article. I'm open for the suggestion of moving it back to its former title. And I'm not sure it would survive an AfD. Best, -- Sam 11:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah...I get what you are saying. I suspect much of is this being done to protect business interests, but I'm not thrilled with the editor who was trying to make the article a coatrack all about whatever financial goings-on that were clearly not discussed in any sources. Then again, I'm not thrilled with the article co-opting the old company's history. Uggggh. I'll talk to the editor who is going to do a rewrite to see what they think about moving it back, seeing as sources don't discuss the companies together and there's no coverage on the current company. I, JethroBT 18:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. -- Sam 18:05, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yugy

Hi, thanks for note. Looks like it's been dealt with Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. -- Sam 13:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Why do you delete other peoples topic?

Why do you delete others topics? I made my 2290 topic because its a huge IRS that people should know more info on. Some people know it as 2290 others as heavy highway use tax. How do you have authority to delete someones article that he worked on because you thought it wasn't necessary. I can do the same to you with your articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informativepro1 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Because the numerical redirect should IMHO not point to Heavy Highway Vehicle Use Tax. If anything it should be Form 2290. Now created. You are welcome to mindfully edit any article you want to edit. -- Sam 14:03, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	...to thank you for your patient attempts to help the new user Informativepro1 despite their misunderstandings and resentment. MelanieN (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you so much, MelanieN, very thoughtful of you to notice. -- Sam 22:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Did you see where they requested semiprotection for three of those pages? They are seriously in need of counseling and it's nice of you to try to provide it. --MelanieN (talk) 22:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Saw it just now, but a cool admin handled it well. ... It's the editorial nesting instinct in action. Once you let go of your babies and stop worrying too much, life gets easier. -- Sam 23:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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re: Tag-banned user and AfD nominations

Hi Sam. Thanks for reminding me of these - I was going to address them before the week ended. It seems a bit WP:POINTY from LF to take them all to AfD, but with enough rope, he'll end up with an AfD ban too. WP:BEFORE is key to follow, and it looks as if these are all cases of "I can't tag them, I'll just get them deleted". Sources for most, if not all of these articles, should be easy enough to find. Lugnuts 14:30, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: I couldn't agree more, appears ego-driven to me. I'll have a look at some of the other 17 nominations. Thanks. -- Sam 14:34, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

After adding the references and external link you've again given the tag for speedy deletion to the content Ritwik Thakur

With due respect Sam,I hope it's not your intention to give the tag of speedy deletion with some more attributes. It has been long since I've added the valid references and external link to the content for perusal and after a week or more today once more you have added the earlier tags. Kindly pay attention going through the content and its added valid references from reliable sources before inputting the invalid tags to the content now. Thank You. --Ritiman 14:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritiman Thakur (talk • contribs)

If you can find any reliable sources to add to the biography of your father, Ritwik Thakur, please do so. I can find none. If you need help formatting references, you are welcome to post the bare URLs here, and I will help you. -- Sam 15:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I scanned and added the certificates of honor which he received from the World Peace Thinkers and Poets Meet 2010 and Bishnu Dey centenary Seminar 2009 at Maulana Azad College as documentary evidences of his works and contributions.

And added the external link World Peace Thinkers and Poets Meet 2010 for perusal. I was suggested to take the help for adding references from documentary evidences if online sources are few and I did so.Please cooperate Sam. --Ritiman 15:42, 6 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritiman Thakur (talk • contribs)

Photos of his participation in conferences do not really count towards establishing notability. Please read Misplaced Pages:Notability (people). I don't intend to make you sad by saying that it is very often impossible for people to stay objective, when they are writing about something that is dear to them. Trying to write an article about a close family member is something that happens on a daily basis here, and more often than not such articles get deleted one way or the other. There are plenty of possibilities out there for posting about non-notable persons, Facebook just to mention one. Please WP:SIGN your messages. -- Sam 15:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Although i share a close relationship with the person I wrote the article about I really didn't intend to post personal views or opinions.It's very much disrespectful for his name to be mentioned as non notable person because by this time now he is one of the renowned bengal poet.Reliable sources from newspaper articles and scholarly reviews on his poems and works will be added by me to the article soon.Thank You Sam. Ritiman95 (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Why are you using two accounts? -- Sam 16:22, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Attack pages

I blanked those three articles because their negative content was not supported by the sources. Most of the sources are in English, and you can see there is a difference between being arrested for a crime and having committed it, even in India. You can create a new article, or even remove the smeer campaigns, but you should not just put this back on Wkiepedia without sourcing when they appear to be attack articles. MicroPaLeo (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

From a quick view at the sources it does seem that these people have been in the press re the Kerala case. Question is still if they merit a stand-alone article. -- Sam 21:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

If someone is "in the press" I cannot make up what the press says about them and permanently add it to Misplaced Pages. No, that someone was arrested does not mean we can say they committed a crime in a Misplaced Pages article. However, I am not interested in dealing with this as you have decided "any source exists" means "we can say anything." I feel encyclooedias should only report what is out there, not make up information, especially to smeer people, and I will no longer be dealing with you and the articles because they are attack pieces and my attempt to do the correct thing failed. MicroPaLeo (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I think the best thing you can do right now is to drop the stick, step back, and take some time away from here, because with that kind of rant and bad faith in me on my talk page, you do not even accomplish my attempt to enlighten you. Further messages here in the same vein will be deleted. -- Sam 22:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

AFC declined

Hi, I noticed that you posted a message on my talk page saying my article was declined. But actually it wasn't my article it was Kholance's article. He/she reported on the Teahouse that his/her article is not being subjected to review. So I fixed that issue and submitted that article for Kholance. You better notify him about the declination. Cheers--Chamith (talk) 09:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll look into it, thanks ChamithN. -- Sam 09:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

@ChamithN: I believe the reason is that in this diff you submitted the draft using plain {{subst:submit}}, but {{subst:submit|user=Kholance}} would have been correct. Not that I had the slightest clue before looking into it now, mind you! Always something to learn here. Best, -- Sam 09:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh I guess that's why. My bad. Thank you for point it out Sam. Like you said you learn something new everyday. Regards.-Chamith (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Redirect remove

Dear Sam, I'm not expert in wiki but I faced a problem creating the article on "Education studies", which is a research field, because it was redirected to "Engineering Education" as teaching activity. I didn't find another solution to create the page on "Education studies" than removing the "redirect". But into the article on "Education studies", I introduced that in some case "Education studies" means ""Engineering education" and here I introduced a link toward the corresponding page. I hope I did it correctly. Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by PinsonV (talk • contribs) 15:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

PinsonV, thanks for your message. I'd love to help out here if I can. But I am mildly confused. You talk about creating Education studies. We already have that, and it is a redirect. But you have never edited that page! I and DVdm reverted you twice in Engineering studies where you blanked the redirect. If you can help me understand what you want to accomplish here, I know we can make it work for you. Best -- Sam 16:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Sam. I first was looking the article for "Engineering studies" (which is a research field) but I was redirected on "Engineering education" (in the sense of teaching activity). Thus I wanted to create an article on "Engineering studies" but this was impossible due to the redirection on "Engineering education". I finally discover how to delete the redirection and I could start to create a new articles. After 5 hours to create this page with the relevant links, I published it. Than I discover you messages and the fact that all my work on "Education studies" disappeared. I don't know what to do. If you can help. This would be relevant at least for my students and for the whole Engineering studies community. Best.--PinsonV (talk) 16:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Again, I'd love to help out but my problem here is that there has been no substantial edits to the redirect Engineering studies, none at all to the redirect Education studies, and your contribution history don't show me any major edits. Could you have been editing from another account or while logged out? Best, -- Sam 16:38, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Here is the copy I did on Word of the article I edited for "Engineering studies".

Looks nice. If I were you I'd put that in Engineering studies if you think that is were it belongs. -- Sam 17:16, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes. THis is exactly I would like to do but where is this page? How to access to this page? If we put Engineering studies we are redirected to Engineering education.PinsonV (talk) 08:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Click on this link it will take you directly to the edit window of the redirect. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. -- Sam 08:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. Then, I will just edit the content in this page. But does I need to remore the "#REDIRECT Engineering education"?--PinsonV (talk) 12:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes. -- Sam 12:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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non admin closures question

Hi, I see you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Madison Guthrie (2nd nomination) and another of the linked models AFDs. I don't think Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Madison Guthrie (2nd nomination) closure as Keep is obvious... there are 3 delete votes ... and you give no discussion of relative merits of Keep vs. Delete arguments. I suggest you pause, and not close others. --doncram 10:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. I will reopen the AfD in question. -- Sam 10:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I was going to add that I don't think these are clear/obvious "Keep" situations. At best "No consensus". Checking wp:NAC, I don't think these cases are eligible for NAC. I think you should maybe reopen the Brittany Wiser one too: it also has 3 delete votes, and of the Keep votes, at least the first one should be discarded, IMO. I also am interested in doing Non Admin Closures, by the way, but would be wary of ones like these. --doncram 11:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I disagree that the first keep !vote in Brittany Wiser should be disregarded. However, I am always open for suggestions that things could be done in another way, as well as correction if I fuck up. I forgot the details surrounding reopening closed AfD, but if you feel like reopening Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser to let somebody else close it, please go ahead and reopen it, I won't mind the slightest. -- Sam 11:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

: I'm sorry, about the first Keep vote in the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser, I was mistaken that it should be disregarded (and have struck that above). I confused between a "Speedy Keep" at the Wiser AFD (which wasn't even the first Keep) and a "Speedy Keep" at some other AFD that was knee-jerk and invalid. Sorry for causing confusion here, by my mistake. Still, with 3 deletes, I think that a good closure requires some careful discussion of quality of arguments, by the closer, and should probably not be a NAC. --doncram 12:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

one of the voters was evidently acting in bad faith. So bad that I am thinking about seeking to have his admin ship revoked if he continues with his misapplication of policy. Also 18 people participated in the group AFD and 12 made strong policy based arguments to delete all and others to delete most. Their views were not considered by User:DGG at all so they need to be invited to participate or have their votes considered now. Legacypac (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Interesting. Well, what bugs me most here is, if you (or anybody else for that matter) thinks that I have closed where I should not have closed. If that is the case, let me know, and I will reopen. -- Sam 11:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I am not an Admin either and I am very sympathetic to your desire to do non-admin closures. I disagree with your assessment and feel it is inadequate for reasons stated. Legacypac (talk) 11:43, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, tell me which you want me to re-open, and I will reopen each and every one. -- Sam 11:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your flexibility. Okay, I'll take you up on your offer, if that was to me too, and I do ask that you re-open Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brittany Wiser, and request that you probably shouldn't close any of the others among the batch of 12 inter-linked AFDs of models, which are all stil open. It would be fine if you indicate in a comment there that you closed and were asked to unclose, and give a vote or not, yourself. I may myself vote in a reopened Brittany Wiser AFD, and if I do, I will self-disclose that I asked for the re-opening. I don't think Legacypac, and definitely not me, are commenting on any other NonAdminCloses you might have done, and to be clear i think these 2 NACs were marginal and others could view them differently. --doncram 22:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Just a comment: Before I became an admin, I interpreted the limitation on NAC closures VERY strictly. I basically closed only cases where there were nothing but "keep" votes. IMO once you are balancing keeps against deletes, you are basically functioning at an admin level. I know that not all NAC closers agree with this assessment; they feel they can spot an obvious case (say with multiple Keeps and a single Delete) and close it. But I don't think a non-admin should ever attempt to close a discussion that has multiple delete !votes. It could be that the discussion is being stacked by puppets, or that one side is better grounded in policy than the other; these are decisions admins should make. I say this without looking at any of the cases discussed here or recommending any course of action on them; this is just my philosophy. --MelanieN (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Doncram, it has been reopened. MelanieN thanks for your input, I will keep it in mind. And @all involved: my apologies if I ventured into areas above my paycheck. Best, -- Sam 00:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sam Sailor and MelanieN ! -- MelanieN's suggestion may be good, although indeed wp:NAC does allow "Clear keep outcomes after a full listing period (stated in the instructions to each XfD, this is usually seven days), absent any contentious debate among participants." It's subjective when it's a "clear keep"; i interpreted Sam Sailor as viewing it to be clear, though I disagreed, no problem, all good. cheers, bye --doncram 02:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

MOS:FILM

Hi Sam. Just a heads up that the we don't link to years in film and/or countries in the lead of an article, per WP:EGG. There are lots of discussions in the talkpage archives if you need to check. Thanks. Lugnuts 14:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lugnuts, thanks for just telling me, the finer details of MOS can make a grown up man feel like Bambi on ice ... so ] ] should both be dropped? -- Sam 14:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

No probs. Yes, neither year or country should be linked. Thanks for all your help with the Danish films. Lugnuts 17:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure, and once again thanks for correcting me. -- Sam 22:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015 Wikification drive

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I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Bananasoldier. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Super16 (film school), and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Bananasoldier (talk) 02:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

@Bananasoldier: Since I wrote the article and fly the WP:AUTOPAT flag, it gets patrolled automatically, and since it is neither a candidate for speedy nor PROD, the need for un-reviewing does not exist. If you think otherwise, please let me know. -- Sam 09:20, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

V. K. Singh page unedit

You made a mistake unediting V. K. Singh page.

You made a mistake due to:

EITHER

Your (according to my presumption) ignorance of Hindi language; in which meaning of the word drastically changes from something ordinary "Chhodo" meaning "leave, quit" to something highly vulgar "Chodo" meaning "ahem, well....ahem, let's just say something very vulgar".

OR

You have nothing better to do, and are micro-moderating.

I'm assuming it's the former, and also assuming you will revert back my edit.

You're welcome in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.219.38 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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@67.170.219.38: This situation could likely have been avoided if you had followed good practice and provided an edit summary explaining the reason for your edit. The consonant cluster chh is not in use in any of the languages I know, so when patrolling recent changes with WP:STiki such an edit looks like ordinary disruptive editing. Please also notice that the cite news used as source

• "VK Singh now battles with Baba Ramdev". Zee News. ANI. 12 August 2012.

does indeed say "Singhaasan Chodo Janta Aati Hai".

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4st 7lb

Good job rescuing this one Sam! §FreeRangeFrog 04:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, FreeRangeFrog - and I don't really fancy that band! I was merely demonstrating that nom, who was banned from tagging with {{notability}} all of a sudden nominated 17 articles for deletion within less than 48 hours, and that, in at least this case, they had done no BEFORE due diligence. -- Sam 09:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Draft:Department of Health & Human Services (Victoria)

Thread retitled from "09:44:20, 10 February 2015 review of submission by Melbournematters".

I have updated the page with reliable references as requested. Melbournematters (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Look at my comment in the draft. Could you find some WP:SECONDARY sources? -- Sam 10:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

AfD

This AfD brought a smile to my face, esp. checking the previous nomination was by the same editor, less than a year ago! Lugnuts 13:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Ooops! Don't tell him about User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js. ... I'll see if I can find a source to add. Cheers, -- Sam 13:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: You're not using citation tool for Google Books? -- Sam 13:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow, I had no idea that existed! Very useful. Thanks! Lugnuts 14:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, yes. (Hard to believe an editor with your track record did not have Reftag bookmarked already.) -- Sam 14:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

re: Various questions

Short answer: Yes. Production companies are fine, the distribution ones are a bit of a grey area and are often non-defining. For example, a non-English language film will have different distribution companies in the US/UK. Might be worth raising it at WT:FILM as it's one area I don't do much editing in. Lugnuts 19:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: OK, I'll raise the question over there. My thought was that we have a (limited) plainlist in the infobox for Distributors, but that distributors do not qualify for a Category. Thanks, -- Sam 19:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

21:04:12, 10 February 2015 review of submission by 220.244.228.205

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I have added a newspaper article explaining the changes to the departments.

re: February 2015

Dear Sam, this is in response to your message regarding edit-warring left on my talk page. I fully understand the rules of engagement and editing on Misplaced Pages. However, there appears to be a collaborative effort to vandalize the Kurds page for political purposes, namely Iranians/Persians and/or advocates of a view that Kurds have an Iranian/Persian identity. Please have a look at the lead, which I will quote here:

"The Kurds (Kurdish: کورد Kurd) are an ethnic Iranian group in the Middle East, mostly inhabiting a contiguous area spanning adjacent parts of modern-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, a geo-cultural region often referred to as "Kurdistan". The Kurds are an Iranian people and speak the Kurdish languages, which form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian branch of Iranian languages."

As you can see, there are 3 occasions within these two sentences that the Kurds are labeled "Iranians". There is no reason why the lead should mention that Kurds are "Iranian" 3 times. This is not helpful, not objective nor academic, and it is redundant. I have the personal view based on a number of resources that the classification of Kurds as Iranian is false. However, since some users have been insistent on this classification, I have left the mention of Kurds being classified as such within the lead. The only thing I have done is removed the redundancies in order to improve the quality of this Misplaced Pages article. My proposed alteration of the lead is the following:

"The Kurds (Kurdish: کورد Kurd) are an ethnic group in the Middle East, mostly inhabiting a contiguous area spanning adjacent parts of modern-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, a geo-cultural region often referred to as "Kurdistan". The Kurds are speak the Kurdish languages, which form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian branch of Iranian languages."

I have already taken this to the Kurds Talk Page in the past. After several discussions and debates with other Misplaced Pages members, we agreed on the terms. However, every time I return I see that people are changing the article again to include the redundancies, and quite frankly, inserting their subjective views. I do not believe I am edit-warring. I am simply attempting to clean the article (as well as take it back to a state that we had previously agreed) but others are constantly changing it back. Your further input is welcome.

Thank you.

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Dear Sharisna, thanks for your confidence in me. What, in your own words, is the difference between "Iranian" and "Iranian people"? Best, -- Sam 09:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Sam Sailor, Iranian people in a modern context are the citizens of the nation-state of Iran. While there are Kurds living in Iran and who are citizens of Iran, the majority of Kurds are indigenous to Turkey, Iraq, and Syria and are not Iranian people. Therefore, it's confusing to readers when the article is stating that Kurds are Iranian people. The sources that some Misplaced Pages users cite are writers that classify Kurds as "Iranian" based on linguistics. That is why I think it is sufficient based on such sources to mention the Kurdish language group as being classified as Iranian, rather than defining Kurds as Iranian, which is both misleading as well as debatable. The history of the Kurds is not entirely clear and the linguistic classification is based purely on the similarities between Kurdish languages and Persian. In addition, it really makes little sense to state this 3 different times in two sentences within the lead. It's simply redundant. Thanks for taking the time to read this and considering my arguments. -- User:Sharisna 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sharisna, thanks for WP:INDENTing your message, you are doing great! If you end your messages witn ~~~~ they will both be signed and dated. So simple, when you get the hang of it.

Just for one moment let us put the question about Kurds aside. Please have a look at Baloch people. Just read the WP:LEAD, the lead is the part of the article that comes before the Contents box. What do you think? Is the text good as it is now? -- Sam 02:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

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I think, u don't understand. because, I'm korean and naver user.

I think, u don't understand. because, I'm korean and naver user.

My word is correct face!

only face. wiki is web 2.0 participation, sharing, open

Me! You understand me.

I fight to naver. I talk to correct face for naver.

I'm Korean. So I want to receive naver convenience for naver.

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Whiate consumer = I — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.1.234.186 (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I could ask you to go and read WP:V, but I think the better suggestion is to ask you to post at WT:KOREA, so somebody there can explain, translated to Korean, how we work here. Best, -- Sam 02:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

6th Bodil Awards

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Draft:Movebubble

I've unmarked this draft as under review because it appears you have not edited it for a number of hours. Cheers, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 04:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lixxx235: Thanks for that, L235. Best, -- Sam 10:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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the bachelor season 19

You have disabled editing on this page for some reason and now no one can correct the incorrect information on the page!!! What's the point of Misplaced Pages anyway if the information on your site is not correct????

Britt did NOT withdraw from the show. She talked about doing so but was sent home by Chris before she was able to quit/withdraw. If Misplaced Pages is going to exist, then you need to either put correct information on your pages or allow the general public to do so for you!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.210.162 (talk) 16:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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20:37:09, 17 February 2015 review of submission by Hearingdeafone

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I disagree regarding editor Sam Sailor's characterization of the page's tone as not formal enough, and that it uses peacock terms. I would like specific references to moments in the submitted article where informal tone and peacock terms occur. I would also like to see an example of an article about a comparable subject which Sam Sailor believes avoids informality/peacock terms. For example, the Two Dollar Radio page, or the Poets & Writers page.

Hearingdeafone (talk) 20:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

It does appear you got my last name wrong there. Not that it matters a whole lot to me, but it might to other editors here. -- Sam 20:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry Sam

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Tom Blake

Hell, Sam, and thanks for the kind words about the article I just submitted. I notice it is rated "class C" and was wondering how I could improve it. I hope to add some photos as soon as I can straighten out copyright issues-- is there anything else I can add or change? Thanks again, very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudsonberry (talk • contribs) 17:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@Hudsonberry: I was too stingy, and have raised it to B. You should def. deal with the IBID issue; shouldn't take you long. Best, -- Sam 17:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages. When you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thanks a lot-- didn't know about an "ibid" issue but will look it up.Hudsonberry (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:IBID ... thought you had seen my message on your talk page. -- Sam 17:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh-- just reread your message and now I understand. Will fix! (Sometimes I'm slow.) Hudsonberry (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@Hudsonberry: No prob at all. If you have two weeks to spare, sit down, read and memorize WP:MOS ... then please return and teach me, coz I can't remember most parts of it. ;-) -- Sam 17:58, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

LOL-- I'll get right on it!Hudsonberry (talk) 18:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Sam, can you point me to the process for straightening up the disambiguation situation? There's a disambiguation page for "Thomas Blake" but if you simply search Misplaced Pages for Tom Blake, it doesn't take you there, but to "Tom Blake (Australian footballer)." Any help would be appreciated. Hudsonberry (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Update: I think I'm almost there-- edited the "Thomas Blake" disambiguation page and added a hatnote to the Tom Blake (Australian footballer) page. Is there anything else I should be doing? Thanks agaiin for all your help. Hudsonberry (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

WarrenJStuart

Hi Sam, The Sequart page I was trying to create was originally posted on the ComicsRascal account, but was deleted a long time ago when it wasn't approved. I Resubmitted the old page (from the ComicsRascal account with the additions that were suggested previously). This has been frustrating though because (before re-submitting the old page from ComicsRascal) I tried again using this new account (warrenjstuart) and was denied because the article was a duplicate. Should I try to resubmit the old page again (posted by ComicsRascal)? Please advise. 20:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Stuart W. 12:29PM PST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrenjstuart (talk • contribs)

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Draft:Sequart Organization was created by ComicsRascal on 25 June 2014 and edited by you on 15:46, 15 February 2015‎

Draft:Sequart Organization (2) was created by you on 14 January 2015 and has not been edited by ComicsRascal

A few minutes after you edited Draft:Sequart Organization ComicsRascal pops up after not having edited for 7+ months and creates a third draft in their sandbox.

Whatever the reasons, could you just stick to the oldest, Draft:Sequart Organization? If you need guidance, a lot of fine editors are ready to answer your questions at the helpdesk or serve you a cuppa at the Teahouse. Best, -- Sam 22:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Metacognitive Therapy

Hi Sam. I'm trying to understand the process that gave rise to Metacognitive Therapy. I'm a very experienced editor, but I've never used AFC and don't understand how it works. All I can see is that the article was created by a new editor, user:Wiki Djinn42, who has a total of three edits, the second of which was to create that entire article in a single edit in his sandbox. I have some concerns about the article -- it has a strongly promotional appearance to me. I'm wondering if the AFC process involved some interactions that I can't see, that satisfied you about the article's legitimacy. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, I just don't know how to proceed at this point. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@Looie496: If you look at my contribs I am sure you can see that I do a lot of work, and I have absolutely no relations or interactions with any editor submitting articles. Granted, I'm not a medical expert, but Metacognitive Therapy appeared to be well sourced and whatever aspect of "we made the concept" is in there I thought could be left to the editors here to deal with. But I'll gladly here from you if you think it's an empty pot of promo piss ... or anything in-between. Best, -- Sam 22:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

It's definitely not the worst thing I've ever seen :-), but it fits the general pattern of paid editing. I can ask the editor who created it, of course, but I bet I don't get any response. One thing is certain: whoever created that article is a highly experienced editor. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@Looie496: Among the many AFCs I had the "pleasure" of reviewing yesterday, MT was, compared to most, a fine submission. If it's been a while since you did mundane chores like reading Articles for Creation, hit the green button and do a bunch, if you dare. :) Best, -- Sam 08:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I do quite a bit of mundane work in terms of maintaining WP:WikiProject Neuroscience and participating in WP:WikiProject Medicine. Anyway, I just spent about an hour cleaning up that article. I know what a pleasure it must be to see a well-formed article amidst all the crap you're subjected to, but it would also be good to be alert to the hallmarks of paid editing -- I personally believe that promotional editing is the greatest threat to Misplaced Pages in the long run. There are a number of experienced editors who have been offering their services for hire. They try to conceal the fact that they are writing for money, but the articles they create tend to follow a certain pattern: (1) they are correctly formatted and include plenty of references; (2) they are subtly promotional in tone and never say anything negative about their subjects; (3) they come from new accounts, because the editors who do this don't want anybody to be able to track their work. If you have any doubts about the validity of an article on a health-related topic, please ask about it at WT:MED. WikiProject Medicine is very active, and you're likely to get a quick response; we get a substantial number of queries from editors who participate in AFC. Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Paul Skilbeck biography

Sam, I sent you a mail with reasons I would like this biography about me to be deleted. I consider some of the content to be disproportionate, only partially accurate, biased and defamatory. While I do not see Misplaced Pages in any way as a promotional vehicle, I expect it to present information in its proper context.

The inclusion concerning the Moscaline blog post is incompletely reported. The post does not mention that the Moscaline blog followed up with a post noting there had been a miscommunication between us, that he wrote his report while he was angry and that he writes the response of the cycling community got out of hand - about which he expressed contrition in our telephone conversation. Neither is there reference is made to the fact that there were extenuating circumstances and apologies on both side.

The post states that some questioned me, but it does not state that others with better knowledge of the situation wrote in support. The post does not state that some who were critical publicly retracted their remarks.

Furthermore, no caveats are given that sometimes blog posts are unreliable and can create a mob mentality in which an individual is not given a fair hearing and as such should not always be taken seriously. Certainly not seriously enough to be included in Misplaced Pages.

My question: Did an expert in the field submit this? Or was it somebody who just picked up something from a Google search? Can anybody with a professional agenda or a personal grudge submit to Misplaced Pages? What are the safeguards against this? I drew this Moscaline post to the attention of an experienced journalist and media manager that I know in Slovenia, Andrej Dekleva, who wrote in response: "oh my god, silly stuff: Skilbeck's credibility as a communications expert has recently been called into question by the cycling community due to his dubious handling of media credentials at the 2013 NAHBS."

So, at least one expert in the field now thinks Misplaced Pages includes "silly stuff." Well, two actually, if I count myself. I am sure I could find more if I drew the attention of others to it. Pskilbeck (talk) 06:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Pskilbeck: Paul, I removed that line from the article sourced from the Moscaline blog. It's not a reliable source for what was stated. And as the IP editor that added it is Aussie, I think anybody can put 2 and 2 together and will get something in the range of 3.5 and 4.5. Indeed silly. Anything else you want me to do? Best, -- Sam 09:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

14:15:21, 19 February 2015 review of submission by Henryokeyia

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Hi i am trying to make a new Draft for the Artist Ray Blaze but i really do not understand how the citation works after reading the Help topic i still dont understand properly i will be glad if any one can help me on this.

Regards

Henry

Henryokeyia (talk) 14:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Henryokeyia: Misplaced Pages:Citing sources is the friend you need. -- Sam 14:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 17:24:15, 19 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Schultzenheimer

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This is my first submission of a Misplaced Pages entry. I was inspired to create it after stumbling across the entries for products similar to our, but made by competitors. In this case, I referred to Makroclear, an existing Misplaced Pages entry, as a template. I admit, I copied and pasted the source content from Makrolon entry and then edited it to contain info about Palsun, which is our brand of polycarbonate. I did not want to plagiarize the Makrolon entry, but I also wanted to follow its form to ensure that it would fit within the Misplaced Pages standards. The text I added was intended to clarify some things.

I have now edited the entry so that it very closely resembles the Makrolon entry. If it is declined again, I would really like to know, more specifically, why, and how Makrolon would continue to be posted.

Thanks for taking the time to review the first time around. I have a lot of respect for Misplaced Pages and hope to become a valuable contributor over time. This effort was my first attempt to emulate something that was there. A college English instructor had us do something similar for writing projects, emulate passages from books that we read in class. I learned a lot about structure and form that way. My goal was to do that here too.

Thanks,

Stan Schultz

Schultzenheimer (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Schultzenheimer: Stan, thanks for being frank. I'll be frank with you then. The Misplaced Pages:Other stuff exists-argument is not valid here. As soon as I have finished typing this message to you I will tag Makroclear for deletion. It only goes to show that we are too few editors to keep up with the amount of crap being posted by people who think Misplaced Pages is just another kind of Facebook for their autobiography, their garage-band, their product. I could very well be wrong, but judging from a brief Google-search, there might be more to add about Palsun than there is about Makroclear. However, it has to be based on sources, and it might be an uphill experience. But good luck. And if you really want to stay here and edit, I'll be glad to try to help you getting started in the areas that have your interest. You just let me know. Best, -- Sam 17:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Just a follow-up saying that I WP:BOLDly redirected the unsourced Makroclear to Polycarbonate where it was already mentioned. -- Sam 17:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I confess that it took me a while to look up and figure out how to reply on your talk page—and I'm not yet sure I'm doing it correctly. In an age where typical user interfaces are elegant and easy to use, Misplaced Pages sure seems to make it somewhat difficult to do. I imagine that normally would help keep a dolt like me from meesing things up. Anyway, thanks for your reply.

So now I have a couple of questions... let me know if I should instead take them to the "Teahouse" (I think I saw that as the place where questions can be answered. I can accept that the "Other stuff exists" argument is no valid, and I appreciate that you redirected the Makroclear article to Polycarbonate, however, the Makroclear article is what inspired my actions to begin with. Near the beginning of that article, "Lexan" and "Makrolon" are mention as "brands" of polycarbonate. I wondered what would prevent me from adding our brand to that entry. I discovered that the entry was locked due to "Disruptive Editing," which i can understand. --as an asside, Lexan and Makrolon are trademarked brands for PC resins and are used with extensions for semi-finished products (i.e. Lexan Corrugated). I'm willing to accept that because Lexan and Makrolon are PC resin brands that they deserve to be listed there, whereas Palsun is only a brand for family of a semi-finished products.

I see that MakroKlear has now been added to the semi-finished products list. It was my original goal to have our brands added to that list. 1) Is that possible? 2) If so, who do I submit the the request to? 3) If not, why? (given that others are listed) 4) SUNLITE is a trademark of Palram Industries, Ltd. and is used for our multi-wall polycarbonate products. The wiki entry Sunlite as being from VMI Plastics in India. We have marketing offices in India, so there is a chance that VMI is selling our product, but they certainly don't attribute Palram on their website (I'm having our people look into that). What is the criteria for determining which products get listed in the semi-finished product list. based on what I see, ours should be listed there (Palsun, Sunlite, and Suntuf).

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to review. Misplaced Pages is a monstrous colection of information, most of which requires a lot of reading, searching, looking at related links, etc. It's seems pretty challenging to find answers on your own. Schultzenheimer (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Schultzenheimer: My best advise here is that you go to Talk:Polycarbonate, open a new section, and ask the same frank questions. Hopefully there are editors there who are not only knowledgeable regarding the material but also the trade names and the business, I am not. Best, -- Sam 20:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Now that I understand the talk feature, I have a sense of how to proceed. Thanks for your help. Schultzenheimer (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Sanjib_Sahoo

Sam

I see the article I submitted was not accepted. This is my first time trying to create a wiki page and went through the guidelines on notable individuals and don't fully understand the primary/secondary sources.

Can you give some examples to explain this better?

Is there anyway I can actually chat with you?

Thanks TH — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikicontributorTH (talk • contribs) 03:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@WikicontributorTH: Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources is a good place to start. But using citations that don't mention subject is naturally not a good idea. -- Sam 09:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Sam

All the citations I used mention the subject. I have too many citations though, should I pull some of these out and submit? Please help!

THanks TH — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikicontributorTH (talk • contribs) 03:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages. When you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you.

No they did not. The two first I opened did not mention him at all. You should not have that long list of press and media. Spend a couple of days with Help:Referencing for beginners in other browser window and give the draft a good overhaul before re-submitting. -- Sam 12:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

06:21:45, 20 February 2015 review of submission by 180.149.46.148

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Hello, This is a nationwide environmental initiative in India by IFC for cleaning e-Waste in India. It is similar to "Swachh Bharat Abhiyan launched by Prime Minister of India ().

180.149.46.148 (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 09:17:36, 20 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Stevedekorte

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Hi Sam, thanks for reviewing the Bitmarkets page. Can you tell me in which way the Bitmarkets page differs from the Open Bazaar page that allows Open Bazaar to be acceptable but Bitmarkets not to be acceptable? Thanks.

Stevedekorte (talk) 09:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@Stevedekorte: The question you ask is a variation on Misplaced Pages:Other stuff exists. I have tagged OpenBazaar. ... AfC is a a place where you can get feedback on article creation instead of dumping it into main space (the area with articles proper) all at once risking speedy deletion or PRODing. Bitmarkets (your sandbox) would probably survive but be tagged with {{ref improve}}. ... I have to say that considering you supposedly are writing about your own "baby", you're doing a fine job at staying neutral. -- Sam 09:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

11:21:30, 20 February 2015 review of submission by 86.97.72.187

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Hello, Can we know why the sources isn't notable? it was all from Official Newspapers in both Arabic and English Please advise so we work on a better draft

86.97.72.187 (talk) 11:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@86.97.72.187: Thank you for your message. Having had a second look at the article, I actually think the coverage is good enough to meet WP:BIO. If you submit the draft again, I will publish it into main space. -- Sam 11:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 15:10:07, 20 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by GVndl

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Hi Sam,

thank you for your comment on Silvio Wolf's draft. May I ask you some clarifications? The fact is that I used many essays by different authors published mainly in On the Threshold. Thus, I have not used only one source written by the subject but I quoted it to simplify - I see that this may be misunderstood. Thus, would it be enough to quote each author - published in the same catalogue - instead of just the catalogue (On the Threshold)?

Thanks a lot!

GVndl (talk) 15:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@GVndl: Hi GVndl. I have misunderstood "Silvio Wolf, On the Threshold, Milan: Silvana Editoriale, 2011". I thought it was a book by Wolf. It a catalogue, da vero? There's no doubt about subjects notability, we just have to find a handful of good sources (=references) to add to the article. I added a {{cite book}} to the WP:LEAD. (It could maybe fit better further down, but that's another, minor thing.) Couldn't you find some sources like, e.g. this one:

• "Review: 'The Edge of Vision' at Lewis & Clark College tracks the many looks of photographic abstraction". OregonLive.com. Retrieved 20 February 2015.

and then we could add them? You are welcome to post them here, telling me where in the article they would fit, and then I will take care of the technicalities. Best, -- Sam 15:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Love for the Elderly

Hi Sam, Thank you for looking over my "Love for the Elderly" article. I appreciate it! I've been trying to improve the credibility of the sources, and I think it's a good article now... just a little short. I'd be very grateful if you could look over it again to help me improve it.

Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobeliii (talk • contribs) 15:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Joseph Sledge

Thanks for your comments on the new article I created, Its the first time I've created an article, so I appreciate the timely reply. I've expanded the references greatly, (and learned how to cite the same source multiple times :), and, in any case, I've resubmitted it. Insertcleverphrasehere (talk) 02:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: There's always something new to learn here, I know that feeling! Looks good with the added sources, I'll let somebody else have a look so we get more eyes on the draft. -- Sam 08:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Regarding article(draft) declined today named Epic Research Private Limited

Hello Sam, This is my first article on wikipedia under the title "Epic Research Private Limited", one of the financial company in my residing city Indore. I have wrote many articles before and haven't got any problem. Yes, I find some problem with the Wiki-code. Please help me to know the reason behind rejection of the Draft.

Hoping for the positive response.

Regards, Anshul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshul01784 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Anshul01784: Hi Anshul. Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages. When you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you. What other articles have you written? -- Sam 08:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Charles Church artist - rejected submission

You recently rejected my submission on the equine artist Charles Church because of the lack of reliable references.

This is an artist who is not in the public eye so extended references are difficult, although he has shown work personally to the Queen and his clients include owners like the Aga Khan.

I have included six references in addition to his own website - sees below.

Can you explain what more I need to do ?

• Qatar Racing: Portrait worth a Glance as Australian trip beckons
• Dorset Life: Dorset Artist, The Living Landscape
• Horse and Hound: Charles Church biography
• Fox Hunting Life: Charles Church Fox hunting paintings
• Dorset Echo: Painter's exhibition in prestigious London Gallery
• Invaluable Auctions, Kentucky: Study of Goildikova by Charles Church

Alastair Nisbet 21 Feb 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastair Nisbet (talk • contribs) 07:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Alastair Nisbet: Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages. When you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you. You could start moving the references inline as we do in biographies of living persons. I have done it with one using the template {{Cite web}}. -- Sam 09:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for help re Charles Church artist

Sam - thank you so much for your help.

References are now in the right style I hope !

Am I getting there ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Charles_Church_(artist)#cite_note-1

regards Alastair Nisbet (talk) 10:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet

Yeah, looks good, Alastair, try to move them up inline so they support something in the text. -- Sam 10:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again - I've added a couple into the text but the references are mainly about him in general not specific works. Do I need to delete from references and leave in external links - otherwise they are appearing twice.

Alastair Nisbet (talk) 12:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet

Have a look at what I did, yes, if we cite a reference inline, we don't also have it in the External links section. I suggest you resubmit the draft so other editors can have a look at it and give their opinion. Best, -- Sam 12:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I spotted what you'd done before I saw your note. Thanks so much Sam - I have learned a lot ! Alastair Nisbet (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Alastair Nisbet

Double standards re notability

Hello Misplaced Pages Editor,

I should like to highlight a glaring disparity in the way, for example, a film due for release in the coming year, with no independent reviews as yet, is able to make it onto the pages of Misplaced Pages and yet another product that is not a film but has beneficial applications to mental health is not.

I refer of course to your disapproval of the page for the Hushe A-CES, a device which I used last year as part of a research study and found to be exceptionally good at alleviating my insomnia. As with anything that is relatively new, is it not a surprise there exists little third party subject matter on it? And yet a future release of a film is allowable by mere mention by the producer?

One feels a tiny bit like a character in George Orwell's 1984, with knowledge being controlled by the whim of those in control. The article I submitted about the Hushe A-CES cranial electrotherapy stimulator manufactured by Hushe Limited in the United Kingdom should not be suppressed just because it is little known of. As with a future film, or a past event, these are all real things. The mere fact that I have not identified a third party as a source of information should not be ground for exclusion and smacks of pedantry. If you look at the research study cited in my article you will find references to comments I and other third parties gave to the study administrator. Am I to infer from your stance that you do not regard this as third party material? If so, do you therefore agree that this implies falsification on the part of the author of that study? I am sure you appreciate the gravity of such an implied statement.

I would therefore encourage you to suggest a review of Misplaced Pages's notability policy and look forward to my article's equal treatment to the countless others which are permitted merely for adhering to cultural precepts of acceptability.

Kind regards

Paul