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| Now, what this page CAN do is focus on the research and results that he performed - he is a published physician who has written books. Serious critiques of the diet should also be welcome as they specifically pertain to his research, including biases in methods, patient selection, and data analysis. | Now, what this page CAN do is focus on the research and results that he performed - he is a published physician who has written books. Serious critiques of the diet should also be welcome as they specifically pertain to his research, including biases in methods, patient selection, and data analysis. | ||
| The reference to "essential concepts for healthy living" is ridiculous as far as a critique is concerned and is filled with POV issues just in the table alone. Lets address the facts objectively, not with silly terms like "boring", or misleading opinions like flatulence. This isn't a moment to get into the details, but I'd like to see a revamp of this focusing on the facts (both for and against). ] (]) 18:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | The reference to "essential concepts for healthy living" is ridiculous as far as a critique is concerned and is filled with POV issues just in the table alone. Lets address the facts objectively, not with silly terms like "boring", or misleading opinions like flatulence. This isn't a moment to get into the details, but I'd like to see a revamp of this focusing on the facts (both for and against). ] (]) 18:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :''Essential Concepts for Healthy Living'' is a well-established, well-published medical textbook: a secondary source of the very highest quality per ] and probably the stongest source in this entire article. If there are other similarly strong sources, propose them ... but this text gives us a quality source to reflect for information about McDougall's diet plan. ] <sup>]|]|]</sup> 18:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | :''Essential Concepts for Healthy Living'' is a well-established, well-published medical textbook: a secondary source of the very highest quality per ] and <s>probably</s> if by far the stongest source in this entire article. If there are other similarly strong sources, propose them ... but this text gives us a quality source to reflect for information about McDougall's diet plan. ] <sup>]|]|]</sup> 18:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
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This reads like an ad for Dr. John McDougall. His theories, which are that you need to be vegan to be healthy and take supplements for B12 are controversial and it needs to be put into the body of the article. Ruth E (talk) 03:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The article does read like a vanity page. I am going to add some content to put it into perspective. Tom Barrister 13:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombarrister (talk • contribs)
This article still reads like an ad for McDougall. Personally I think his stance that eating more vegetables while stopping chemotherapy will cure cancer makes him an obvious quack. There should at least be something in this article about how his "views" are not widely (at all?) shared within the medical or scientific community.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.94.194.242 (talk) 15:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
- If you can cite actual sources stating that other doctors and scientists do not share his views, feel free to add them to the article. Funcrunch (talk) 18:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- That's not how it works. Science, or otherwise. In fact, his own website and publications are referenced as the sources. Doesn't matter what anyone believes, that's not considered a reliable source, and makes the page incredibly biased.173.24.70.30 (talk) 11:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- In this Misplaced Pages article, the links to his web site are for establishing biographical information, not for establishing the scientific validity of the McDougall Program. In any case, my response from two years ago stands: If there are reliable sources that say McDougall's views are not shared by other doctors and scientists, feel free to add them to the article. Funcrunch (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's not how it works. Science, or otherwise. In fact, his own website and publications are referenced as the sources. Doesn't matter what anyone believes, that's not considered a reliable source, and makes the page incredibly biased.173.24.70.30 (talk) 11:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Personal diet
It appears John A. McDougall does not identify himself as a strict vegetarian. In an interview he was asked "How long have you been a been a vegetarian?". He replied, "My diet has been 99.9% vegetarian for the past 28 years." Nirvana2013 (talk) 10:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- True, he eats a slice of turkey every other year to "prove" he's not a vegetarian. Funcrunch (talk) 18:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
'Boring Diet' is meant to bring balance with a terrible reference?
Noting the discussion above, was introducing a one line critique meant to be be balancing? Ultimately a full discussion can't be had on a page like this - it would have to point to something else that presents pros/cons of a plant based diet as there is more than simply the McDougall Plan. Now, what this page CAN do is focus on the research and results that he performed - he is a published physician who has written books. Serious critiques of the diet should also be welcome as they specifically pertain to his research, including biases in methods, patient selection, and data analysis. The reference to "essential concepts for healthy living" is ridiculous as far as a critique is concerned and is filled with POV issues just in the table alone. Lets address the facts objectively, not with silly terms like "boring", or misleading opinions like flatulence. This isn't a moment to get into the details, but I'd like to see a revamp of this focusing on the facts (both for and against). 207.38.43.28 (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Essential Concepts for Healthy Living is a well-established, well-published medical textbook: a secondary source of the very highest quality per WP:MEDRS and
probablyif by far the stongest source in this entire article. If there are other similarly strong sources, propose them ... but this text gives us a quality source to reflect for information about McDougall's diet plan. Alexbrn 18:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)