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	:: Ok, Thanks for the edit Alexbrn, will look for a better one and will let you know here first before applying it in the page. ] (]) 12:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)		:: Ok, Thanks for the edit Alexbrn, will look for a better one and will let you know here first before applying it in the page. ] (]) 12:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::No need to ask - I don't ] the article. But why do we need an alternative source here? (Granted - Nova Magazine isn't the greatest, but it's not being used to support anything controversial) ] <sup>]\|]\|]</sup> 12:48, 31 March 2014 (UTC)		:::No need to ask - I don't ] the article. But why do we need an alternative source here? (Granted - Nova Magazine isn't the greatest, but it's not being used to support anything controversial) ] <sup>]\|]\|]</sup> 12:48, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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			Deepak Chopra editors: ] ] ] ] ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]

			Hello. I am a representative from Chopra Media. We have genuine concerns about this article. This has been an issue for sometime and we were not sure of the best way to approach this problem as Misplaced Pages is very complex to new comers. We want to do this the right way. We apologize for any previous fumbles that may have occurred or will occur. please don’t bite the newbies :)

			I am here to address inaccuracies and the inappropriate misframing of Deepak Chopra’s biography on Misplaced Pages and seek the assistance of neutral and experienced Wikipedians to help.

			The article itself mentions that Dr. Chopra is a magnet for criticism but fails to mention that the entire article on Misplaced Pages is serving only this purpose. Most paragraphs support the framing of Dr Chopra from the point of view of skepticism and criticisms frame every section - and this is before we even get to the section called Skepticism.

			I want to make clear we do not find issue with the publications criticisms of Deepak Chopra as a matter of biographical record on Misplaced Pages. We also understand the balance between WP: BLP and WP:FRINGE. Our concern is the weight of these criticisms in relationship with other points of view and reputable sources. Dr Chopra is a world leader in mind body healing and represents view points of millions of people and many distinct cultures. We find the viewpoints expressed here and framed as factually neutral to be disrespectful to many other worldviews and cultures. For the purposes of human dignity and respect we request this article be reviewed and framed neutrally. We believe Misplaced Pages’s five pillars and general guidelines for a BLP already protect and cover what we request.

			We are not interested in nor are we requesting white-washing his biography for promotional or PR related purposes. We get it. We understand the issue of neutrality on Misplaced Pages and value many of the principles.

			For example, the lead sentence frames Dr. Chopra as a new age guru on one hand and simply a ‘practitioner’ of alternative medicine. Not only is this disrespectful (in some contexts this is a pejorative, and sometimes even a racist pejorative) - it also fails to inform the reader the full picture of who Dr Chopra is, what his ideas are and what his contributions are. Yet President Bill Clinton reference to Dr Chopra as a ‘pioneer of alternative medicine’ is a notable source. And it is indeed accurate to the role Dr. Chopra has played as a world leader in mind body healing. Why is that quote buried at the bottom of the article while the caricature using pejoratives is floating at the top?

			First and foremost, Dr. Chopra is a physician - licensed in both western medicine and alternative medicine.

			We believe the nature of this article is to serve to the discredit not only of Dr. Chopra - but to discredit the philosophy and practices of world religions, worldviews, and millions of people of all different cultures.

			How would the community advise us proceeding to make the article better? ] (]) 00:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Choppy spouting?

Does spouting mean anything? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.165.248 (talk) 19:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

"express (one's views or ideas) in a lengthy, declamatory, and unreflecting way" says Google, which is a good definition. Alexbrn 20:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Pseudoscientist as a label versus BLP

I have been reverting a persistent IP editor who wants to label Chopra a pseudoscientist (in Misplaced Pages's voice) in the first sentence. I think is quite possible to attribute such a label as opinion lower down in the article body per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, but not in the first line and not in Misplaced Pages's voice. I can even imagine how such a label can be added to the lead section as a summary of several article statements, such as "this, that and the other say that Chopra is a pseudoscientist". The BLP problem I am seeing is that Chopra cannot be defined neutrally as a pseudoscientist since there is a range of opinions about his work. Binksternet (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

1. Why is then not a problem that he is called a physician and New Age guru in Misplaced Pages's voice?

2. Consider this Misplaced Pages page: list of topics characterized as pseudoscience. Why is it acceptable to call alternative medicine, New Age and Ayurveda-based medicine pseudoscience, but it is not ok to call someone who is a New Age guru/ Ayurveda-based alternative medicine practitioner and author a pseudoscientist? It is like saying we can call the game football, but not the players footballers.

There is a consensus on the scientific community on this topic, and references that can be added of scholars in magazines and newspapers stating the claim that Mr. Chopra is a pseudoscientist, so I really don't see any real impediment in adding that statement. 189.121.57.151 (talk) 04:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine though with adding pseudoscientist as an attribution by authors and scientists, and not Misplaced Pages. Would that comply better with the guidelines? 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.121.57.151 (talk)

The last paragraph of the lede is where some of the negative commentary is summarized, and we already mention his quantum "nonsense"; I suppose we could add here that he's been called a pseudoscientist too, although I think it's probably superfluous and there is a danger of loading to many pejorative terms in - that can make it looks like the article is "trying too hard" to criticize Chopra, which weakens it. Alexbrn 06:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I think a link from this article to pseudoscience which is a WP:High Value Target, (along with others such as alternative medicine, United States, etc.) as it gives a general overview of the topic in wich Chopra is deeply involved. Better to include that as a link rather than a vague statement that "he gives false hope to those who are sick". He does more than this, he is indirectly responsible for many early deaths. Let's not beat about the bush. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Could we change the entire page to read:

Mostly harmless 27.33.76.140 (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

It would be nice, but alas, no. I don't believe that advocating pseudoscience is mostly harmless anyway, unlike the planet. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 14:40, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

question on 'east coast years'

the first paragraph reads a little strange to me: "After immigrating to the US in 1970, Chopra began his clinical internship and residency training at Muhlenberg Hospital in Plainfield, New Jersey. He served an internship at a hospital in New Jersey and did a residency at the Lahey Clinic and the University of Virginia Hospital. He later became Chief of Staff at the New England Memorial Hospital in Stoneham, Massachusetts, later known as Boston Regional Medical Center." the second sentence just says he served an internship "...at a hospital in New Jersey" but does not mention the name of the hospital. Is that the Muhlenberg hospital or another one we could not find a source for? Let me know if anyone has that clarity or source and I will clean it up if no one minds. Too soon for love (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems a bit confused. According to the EWB source: "Chopra served as an intern for $200 a month at a 400-bed hospital in Plainfield, New Jersey. ... Three years later, Chopra was board-certified in internal medicine and endocrinology, serving as a teaching and research fellow in endocrinology at a hospital affiliated with Tufts University."

(Add) and according to the Baer source: "After completing an internship at a New Jersey hospital, he did a residency at the Lahey Clinic and the University of Virginia Hospital and obtained board certification in internal medicine and endocrinology." So looks like some material here is not supported by the sources used. Alexbrn 17:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

ok. I'll see if I can get through those, but I'm very unfamiliar with this topic so I don't want to disrupt anyone's editing for something I'm unclear on. Too soon for love (talk) 23:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I've had a go at straightening this out. Alexbrn 06:23, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

American Association of Ayurvedic Medicine

Changes my reference to http://www.positivehealth.com/article/arthritis/an-interview-with-deepak-chopra, is this alright? Charhenderton (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a poor source. Why use it (in the lede, at that) when what we have is sourced? Alexbrn 12:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks for the edit Alexbrn, will look for a better one and will let you know here first before applying it in the page. Charhenderton (talk) 12:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

No need to ask - I don't WP:OWN the article. But why do we need an alternative source here? (Granted - Nova Magazine isn't the greatest, but it's not being used to support anything controversial) Alexbrn 12:48, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Deepak Chopra editors: Binksternet Mishash Bgwhite TheRedPenOfDoom Alexbrn, Lacolorstudio, Xanthis, Rjwilmsi, De-charlatan, Vzaak, Barney the barney barney, KiethBob, John of Reading, Roxy the dog, Afterwriting, Fcp, WikiDan61, Charhenderton, Anomalocaris, HMSSolent, QuackGuru, Philip Cross, Ajo102688, Feross, QTxVi4bEMRbrNqOorWBV, Nonnyme, Mastcell

Hello. I am a representative from Chopra Media. We have genuine concerns about this article. This has been an issue for sometime and we were not sure of the best way to approach this problem as Misplaced Pages is very complex to new comers. We want to do this the right way. We apologize for any previous fumbles that may have occurred or will occur. please don’t bite the newbies :)

I am here to address inaccuracies and the inappropriate misframing of Deepak Chopra’s biography on Misplaced Pages and seek the assistance of neutral and experienced Wikipedians to help.

The article itself mentions that Dr. Chopra is a magnet for criticism but fails to mention that the entire article on Misplaced Pages is serving only this purpose. Most paragraphs support the framing of Dr Chopra from the point of view of skepticism and criticisms frame every section - and this is before we even get to the section called Skepticism.

I want to make clear we do not find issue with the publications criticisms of Deepak Chopra as a matter of biographical record on Misplaced Pages. We also understand the balance between WP: BLP and WP:FRINGE. Our concern is the weight of these criticisms in relationship with other points of view and reputable sources. Dr Chopra is a world leader in mind body healing and represents view points of millions of people and many distinct cultures. We find the viewpoints expressed here and framed as factually neutral to be disrespectful to many other worldviews and cultures. For the purposes of human dignity and respect we request this article be reviewed and framed neutrally. We believe Misplaced Pages’s five pillars and general guidelines for a BLP already protect and cover what we request.

We are not interested in nor are we requesting white-washing his biography for promotional or PR related purposes. We get it. We understand the issue of neutrality on Misplaced Pages and value many of the principles.

For example, the lead sentence frames Dr. Chopra as a new age guru on one hand and simply a ‘practitioner’ of alternative medicine. Not only is this disrespectful (in some contexts this is a pejorative, and sometimes even a racist pejorative) - it also fails to inform the reader the full picture of who Dr Chopra is, what his ideas are and what his contributions are. Yet President Bill Clinton reference to Dr Chopra as a ‘pioneer of alternative medicine’ is a notable source. And it is indeed accurate to the role Dr. Chopra has played as a world leader in mind body healing. Why is that quote buried at the bottom of the article while the caricature using pejoratives is floating at the top?

First and foremost, Dr. Chopra is a physician - licensed in both western medicine and alternative medicine.

We believe the nature of this article is to serve to the discredit not only of Dr. Chopra - but to discredit the philosophy and practices of world religions, worldviews, and millions of people of all different cultures.

How would the community advise us proceeding to make the article better? ChopraMedia (talk) 00:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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