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If you feel that I have reverted an edit or issued a warning in error, please click here and let me know. I am human, and I do make mistakes. Please don't interpret an error on my part as a personal attack on you. It's not, I promise. I ask you to simply bring it to my attention; I am always open to civil discussion. Thank you. NeilN

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Ubi CANVASSing

I note that you agreed with my edit at Thomas Blake Glover -- Ubi then canvassed a slew of people (8 to be precise - telling each they were "involved" or might be "involved") for his AN/I complaint that the edit was personal harassment of him which made precious little sense if any at all. You might note the posts at that closed thread - I have no idea where Ubi gets the idea that his "sources" meet WP:RS at all. Cheers. Collect (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree raising the matter at ANI made no sense. At least it brought more scrutiny to the article and questioning of the sources. --NeilN 01:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding recent Energy Medicine Edits

Hello,

Thank you for your reply. This concerns edits made by 76.121.150.157 All but the one edit regarding reference(Jonas a& Crawford) are entering discussions with other editors (which I support you joining if you feel so moved). I am new to this interface--the many types of pages and protocols governing them-- so please be slightly more explicit in general than you would with more experienced users...

the edit regarding the History section of the Energy Medicine article describes a misused citation. The first sentence of the History section contains a reference to article (Jonas & Crawford) that is supposed to account for it. However, there can be no mistake that no such sentiment exists in this article, having read it twice myself. Therefore, please also uphold the removal of that reference from the support of that sentence. Or, at the risk of cynicism, perhaps there is some type of committee where this type of issue gets belabored...

Thank you for your consideration, Kmpentland (talk) 23:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied here --NeilN 01:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Tropes vs woman.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Tropes vs woman.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Radha Madhav Dham

I am in charge of promotions at our Hindu Temple. Our temple is under the management of our Board of Directors. We are legally under a new name. You are inserting comments about an individual that have nothing to do with us. You are trying to damage and defame are Hindu Temple unfairly. We do not appreciate this. Please stop it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dktaylor2013 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 23:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

@Dktaylor2013... I agree, this user (NeilN ) is being very insensitive to Hindu or Indian culture! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 19:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Was that a bot message to me?

I added several sources in my edits to Peking University, from within Wiki articles for the most part. Did you really have to remove the entire section, or could you have marked some of it as needing more work? As it is, I only see your repeated reversions of cited sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eriksq (talk • contribs) 17:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 17:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

False allegations and vandalism

I made an edit to Martin Narey's profile and you vandalised it without justifying your reasoning. You state my edit was 'poorly sourced' yet is was taken directly from the UK Parliament's website and based on his own words. You also removed large sections of the profile without and explanation whatsoever. How would I report you for vandalism as your actions where wholly unjustified. Please provide details for why you removed well-sourced and cited material for the page. I will add the section again and if you disagree with it then raise it in the talk section. Do not just remove and destroy pages without good reason. Be a good Wikipedian. Newuser2111 (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Replied here (removed copyright violation and editor's "reference" did not match their soapbox text). --NeilN 19:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Martin Narey uses the term 'forced adoption' to describe the practice here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16157124. On page 77 of this document: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmeduc/137/137ii.pdf Narey calls for the increase of such adoptions by 50% or more. Is this satisfactorily sourced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newuser2111 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

No. He answered this question, "It is clear that you lament the reduction in the number of adoptions and you have actually said it should be radically increased." The question did not refer to forced adoptions. --NeilN 20:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

And what's your source for "Martin Narey is a one of the mots staunchest and vocal defenders of the Forced adoption in the UK..."? --NeilN 20:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The issue of adoption raised in the document stems from the issue of forced adoption, it is clear from reading it in it's entirety that they are discussing forced adoption. I'm sure Narey would admit that he was one of the most staunchest and vocal defenders of the policy, in fact I am sure he is very proud of that fact. You removed the section for being 'poorly sourced defamatory or otherwise controversial content'. I have provided the source for the material and there is nothing defamatory about it. The issue of forced adoption is controversial but there is no controversy about Narey's support for the policy. Suggest a rework of the section rather than complete removal. Newuser2111 (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

No, it is not clear and the fact that "you are sure" does not affect what gets put in the article. You can propose a rewording on the article's talk page (with sources) and others will comment. --NeilN 20:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I propose the section is added as follows: 'Martin Narey is a staunch and vocal defender of the UK's policy of forced adoption and has suggested that he would like to see adoptions, particularly of new-born babies, increase by 50% or more. He is in favour of forced adoptions of children who have not suffered any kind of neglect or abuse.' This is fact and is cited in the source I provided. Newuser2111 (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely not, per above. --NeilN 20:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There are ample sources that show that Narey is a staunch and vocal supporter of the policy. I can provide multiple citations to show this. The document I linked to clearly states that he would like to see adoptions increase by '50% or more'. What point do you disagree with now? It feels like nitpicking. Suggest a constructive alternative rather than dismissing any mention of his support for the policy. Newuser2111 (talk) 21:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

1. Find sources that claim he is "a staunch and vocal supporter"
2. Reword to make it clear the 50% applies to adoptions, not forced adoptions.
3. Page in source for "He is in favour of forced adoptions of children who have not suffered any kind of neglect or abuse"?

--NeilN 21:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

1. The fact that he is a defender of the policy is self evident. I have provided more than enough citations to support this sentence.
2. It is clear from the wording that the 50% refers to adoptions and not forced adoptions.
3. Reference to "He is in favour of forced adoptions of children who have not suffered any kind of neglect or abuse" removed for now.

Newuser2111 (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

You have again maliciously edited the article despite ample sources being provided. You are promoting your own POV and have shown an unwillingness to reach a reasonable compromise on the matter. You will be reported. Newuser2111 (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Do note that as a WP:SPA your own edits will be scrutinized as well. --NeilN 21:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

It would seem that NeilN is a repeat offender. He also maliciously edited the article on Julia Mulligan despite ample sources being provided simply becuase he did not like the facts presented. I see little point in reporting him. He is typical of the people running Misplaced Pages.

88.117.45.248 (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm sure my fellow Wikipedians will be happy to know we're succeeding in keeping people like you from turning articles into personal soapboxes. --NeilN 17:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Pi Day

The source is no longer affiliated with the University of Florida and is now called The Independent Florida Alligator http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Independent_Florida_Alligator The source has been independent since 1971.

If this source still does not suffice, I have found another source. http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120314/ARTICLES/120319769 Please let me know if I can reapply my edit. I am new to the Wiki editing process. Thank you! --Jveingrad (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

bikini - external links edit

Hi - I saw you made a couple recent and proper edits to the external links for the article bikini. I don't understand how it is that extremely experienced editors know how to go make small edits to lots of different articles, but it seems like that's what you did here - which is cool. I just wanted to know if you would be willing to spend a few mins on the bikini article assessing the image selection throughout the article and provide any feedback (even if it's just a short "imo it's fine as it is")? I haven't been able to rally any other editors around the article during the past several months but think that it would be good for there to be at least one person critiquing or applauding the image choice and layout. Anyway, thanks for your time. Azx2 08:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Arts Administration

Hi NeilN. I'm new. You reverted a post, i'm sure it was warranted but I'm not sure I understand why.

You recommended I use twinkle and included the link, however, after redirecting to the page and attempting to follow the directions (going to the gadgets section and enabling twinkle) twinkle wasn't availabel as an option. I'll give it another look but is there another work around? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonwgreer (talk • contribs) 20:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jonwgreer. It looks like you're pretty confused. Have you read your talk page here. --NeilN 20:54, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes on all fronts. Doing some more reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonwgreer (talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

regarding removal of my articles

i am extremely disappointed as my edits were removed without prior notice. i agree that i should not give my inputs as as personal remarks. The matter on reliance infrastructure was fully trustable as i am very close to that company since tose facts are available on their website rinfra.com. Even my edits on reliance power was removed . Even Mr. Anil Ambani is a graduate from university of Pennsylvania. once again im very disappointed for this rude behavior. i'll deactivate my account if my queries are not solved immediately.

Aakash Singh

Replied here. --NeilN 16:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

ok alright i am going to deactivate my account right now . good bye and thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aakash Singh India (talk • contribs) 16:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Edward Snowden Infobox "disclosure" reversion

Reversion of my change … "whistleblowing" replaced with "disclosure" … is inappropriate. The Whistleblower Protection Act excludes members and organizations that are part of the intelligence community, and the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act specifies that report and disclosures must go to members of Congress, and members of Congress only. Accordingly, the actions involved are, at least from a legal standpoint,the use of the term "whistleblowing" is open to dispute on the basis of law, while the use of the word "disclosure" is not disputable on any factual or legal basis. I should think that the Infobox content, in particular, ought not contain information whose veracity is debatable. My change should be restored. ~~Bruce Wheelock ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucewh (talk • contribs) 17:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

As I stated in the edit summary, "whistleblowing" is a common English word and American laws or Congress do not get to decide the definition of the word on Misplaced Pages. --NeilN 17:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hovind picture

Please explain how is a copyright violation? You are assuming that it is a copyright violation, when you have no proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feefeefee3 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

You need to provide proof permission was given. Do you have any? If so, please see Misplaced Pages:Requesting_copyright_permission#When_permission_is_confirmed --NeilN 20:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

my links had been removed,I'm HOBOBE

I specialize in helping English-speaking users to understand China local information, and there is China National Tourism Administration of the information support, I have collected information about China network blind spots, only Chinese local talent to know the information in hobobe.com to synchronize to the exception of China users, such as: the latest route, schedule, price lists, etc. I hope that through wikipedia show to more people, I do not know why they had been removed, please give me a reasonable explanation, or provide standardized criteria, I will be based standards established information index. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panguozhang (talk • contribs) 02:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Panguozhang. Links at the bottom of articles are supposed to go to websites with encyclopedic information about the topic, not travel information. If you wish, you can bring up the matter at Misplaced Pages:External links/Noticeboard. --NeilN 03:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Help with Vandal

Help! What can a relatively new editor do when a longtime editor with a clear bias keeps stripping a page of all content? I've directed the editor user:quac to Misplaced Pages's BLP policies, which read, "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." User:Quac's actions are clearly illegitimate blanking.

First of all, you've be warned a number of times not to call Quac a vandal. Continuing to do so will probably result in a block. Second, it's not just them. Collect, who is a very experienced editor, has been taking out excessive detail. If you feel that the material removed is important to the biography, discuss it on the talk page. --NeilN 04:10, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I hope that wikipedia will allow me to continue to allow me gather more information on the topics.

I am currently working on having more information for the current topics , so that it can be more informative, with real facts on top of travel services. The examples I mentioned are not exhaustive, currently, I am able to provide the history of the current topics, information about the current situation and other graphic information. It is more than just travel information. I hope that wikipedia will allow me to continue to allow me gather more information on the topics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panguozhang (talk • contribs) 08:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

My user page

Just wanted to say thank you Neil SonOfThornhill (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Hopefully the IP read the warnings before deleting them. --NeilN 15:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Obama article

I've been watching these discussions for years now, and there's some pretty deliberate intransigence about the sources in this article. If someone challenges the "Orator" sources, then it's discarded instantly: "How can you question anyone on the paycheck of high-profile publishers?"

But if someone presents some other position proffered by a mainstream academic, then WP:RS is followed to the T: "what makes this source reliable?" Well, of course, there's never an answer, really. If we really want to ask on every single politician's article why the Huffington Post or the Toronto Whatever meets WP:RS, we'd have to re-evaluate the policy—because as the policy's written, they're not. But these discussions are always closed because they're fringe and disruptive, etc.

Nobody wants to have the obvious conversation when it's so easy to declare everything out of procedure and insincere.

Just taking a step back, the sniff test clearly puts Noam fucking Chomsky above any trivial Canadian journalism major when it comes to subjective judgments of state leadership. I'd be happy to take it all out or throw it all in, but the double standard is just silly. —Designate (talk) 03:05, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

tina ambani

As per box-offcei india.com only 2 hits Tina has with rishi kapoor - karz in 1980 and katilon ka kathil in 1981 and rest 4 movies were disasters and so not mentioned even in the site in top 10 or 20 list in respective years.Lionbase1234 (talk) 05:50, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

You need to add a source a stating that only two of her films were box office successes. --NeilN 05:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)Just see now I have provided.

Now you see.Lionbase1234 (talk) 06:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

The source isn't great, as it only lists the top 25 films. I think you need something that actually says, "only two of her films were box office successes". --NeilN 06:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

talk page stalker Yes, NeilN is right. Making the inference that a film that is not on the list is not a box office success is original research at best and speculation at worst. --bonadea contributions talk 13:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Which source told you that Aap Ke Deewane or Yeh Wada Raha were successful? Why is there a need to mention the names of film Yeh Wada Raha. The films Karz and Khatilol Ka Katil deserved to find a mention only because they were successful moreover NeilN earlier you had told me in my talk page to show whether these 2 filsm Karz and Katilol Ka Katil were successful - so I have showed that.

Still I have gone ahead and found out refs to prove Aap Ke Deewane was flop - http://www.insidestorymedia.com/life-history-of-bollywood-actor-hrithik-roshan/

and the google book proves http://books.google.co.in/books?id=l3heZ8I-k9AC&pg=PT276&lpg=PT276&dq=Yeh+Vaada+Raha+(1982),+based+on+Danielle+Steel's+novel+The+Promise,+directed+by+Kapil+Kapoor,+wascritically+appreciated+but+commerciallya+flop&source=bl&ots=-7NOEEJ79y&sig=j0lBSEptjXpZxpKfoyEFYceWHYA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MQ7RUbCKJsSH4gSal4HoDg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA says Yeh Vaada Raha (1982), based on Danielle Steel's novel The Promise, directed by Kapil Kapoor, was critically appreciated but commercially a flop.

Another reference http://www.boxofficeindia.com/cpages.php?pageName=top_actors and an interview - http://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/2013/jun/070613-from-action-to-production.htm says Deedar E yaar was a disaster. I have proved my point - that the other 4 were flops.Lionbase1234 (talk) 05:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you copy this to Talk:Tina Ambani so other editors can comment. I'm not really interested in the details. All I care about is that "...in six films of which only 2 were commercially successful" is properly sourced. --NeilN 05:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I did what you asked me to but some other user named bonadea is reverting it and did not respond to the same questions which i asked you. You at-least gave me reply but that user just reverted without any discussion. also observed today another user Hijnaas has incorporated same details in wikiedia article of rajesh khanna and mentioned reasons for why khanna refused to marry tina and how Tina was fan of rajehs since her childhood. but bonadea has reverted even that in article page on rajesh khanna. http://www.bollywoodmantra.com/news/the-unheard-and-untold-tale-of-rajesh-dimple/9374/ - this link has been used to show the reason as to why Khanna refused to marry Tina.Lionbase1234 (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

The best way to engage Bonadea is through the article's talk page. That way, all interested editors can see the discussion and chime in. --NeilN 17:26, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Ya I have done that.Lionbase1234 (talk) 04:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Manny Pacquiao edit

It's not really undoing "someone else's work" when your the one that put it there to begin with. What I put wasn't entirely accurate. So if someone tries to put it back I'm gonna revert it --2Nyce 23:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

edit on Rachel

I left no description because I was using the beta editing feature on my phone's browser. The edit was for the lack of NPOV in the description of the two descriptions of Mashiach (son of Joseph and son of David), which were thoroughly influenced by Rabbinic Judaism. Even the Wiki for the Mashiach himself describes him in a more comprehensive way than is presented in the Rachel article. I am biased as a Christian, yes, but that is precisely how I knew the description on the Rachel article was not NPOV. I deleted enough to make the reader have to click through to the Mashiach article itself (with the differing perspectives found therein) to decide if Mashiach ben Joseph and Mashiach ben David are two different figures and if they are future figures or ones who already came. natemup (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Bot Roast

No idea how to find a reliable source for court rulings, but this blog from 2008 says he was sentenced to imprisonment for the crime. --Onorem (talk) 15:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

We still have to consider WP:BLPNAME though. If the guy isn't well known, and is only mentioned in conjunction with this case, should we still have his name appear? I'm fifty-fifty on this one and won't protest if someone adds it back in. --NeilN 15:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Anil Ambani

Why are u changing the updated profile of Anil Ambani....These updates have been made by his office...

Because your edits are unsourced, full of peacock terms, and have way too much detail about Reliance Group. Since you have a conflict of interest you should not be editing the article at all. --NeilN 09:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The profile has been updated by the team of Mr Ambani and i therefore see no reason of any conflict of interest. The source has been addded for your info. Pl get in touch with us if you still have concerns or give us your mailid so that we can write to you.

Then I suggest you read WP:COI again. I believe your changes will be removed soon enough. --NeilN 10:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I am new to this. pl help me with the norms and ways to get this resolved. guidance would be helpful

First, stop undoing everyone's reversions immediately. It's going to get you blocked. Second, use Talk:Anil Ambani to discuss what you want changed and why. Tip: stop inserting stuff about Reliance. It does not belong in a biography. --NeilN 10:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thank you for your wonderful work in assisting new user Sgatet! Hope you enjoy these strawberries! Regards, —MelbourneStar☆ 12:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! It's been interesting... --NeilN 12:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles for creation/Dimitri Papadimos

I would like to thank you publicly for being the only person that actually helped me in sorting out the problem with the footnotes...you are the only person who by actually edited the page yourself and explained to a "beginner" how to go about editing the article...I have re-submitted the article and I hope the problem is now solved and it will be published...again if there is something that I ommitted I hope you or the next person will not only point it out but supply me with "hints" of how to go about sorting the matter...again many tks Yani papadimos (talk) 13:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Northfield School Edit

Hey NeilN, sadly, there is no sources available, it was a close in-school fact. If it can't be placed for that simple reason, no worries!

Pad Thai

Hi NeilN, Sorry about that. I'll not make that mistake again. scope_creep (talk) 16:51, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Deleting references and Note detail

Why did you delete my references on Miranda Cosgrove? What is your point in doing that? What's wrong with the Note added with the references? Who are you anyway? Katydidit (talk) 00:44, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Because it was purely trivial. --NeilN 00:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Tami Erin lives in Walnut Creek, California

Checkingfax (talk) 03:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I know, but adding that bit of trivia is not worth it if you have to reference her arrest. See Misplaced Pages:BLPN#Tami_Erin for more info. --NeilN 03:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages articles are nothing but trivia stitched together to make cohesive encyclopedic articles. You need to chill. LOL Checkingfax (talk) 04:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

And it seems you're trying to get around our guidelines. --NeilN 04:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

See BLPCRIM. Do you consider Pippi Longstocking to be relatively unknown? Checkingfax (talk) 04:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

See the reliable sources policy. TMZ is a tabloid scandal sheet, explicitly not a reliable source acceptable for contentious claims about living people. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You need to read the Biographies of Living Persons policy. An anonymous blog article sourced directly to a sensationalistic tabloid Web site is two, two, two unreliable sources in one. Such is unacceptable on Misplaced Pages. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Duarte

The page should still go because she's not even the focus of that article. It's just a passing mention. However, I don't want to piss off a fucking "improve your web presence" group any more than I may have already done. Should we send it to AFD? I've already done the same for two of her co-stars whose pages have also been produced by another company.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:16, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I have a neutral position on the page that I am working on however you are basing the novels written by the author and denying the information to be placed on the page to be based on self published without knowing the facts. There are thousands of self published authors on Misplaced Pages and can be referenced to you and to the Wiki authorities for same. This is a biased reason for removing anything around the novels written and published on behalf of Mrs. Martin Duarte. I also consider this revision vandalism.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fact reporter1 (talk • contribs)

No. You do not have a neutral position. You have told me you work for Mrs. Martin Duarte and Ms. Martin Duarte. Authors who have paid to have their books published means the book has been self-published. And stating that "there are thousands of self-published authors on Misplaced Pages" cannot be proven, and if so then they are not worthy of coverage either. Fact reporter1, please do not contribute to Misplaced Pages in areas in which you have a vested interest.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The specific quote was: Yes I work for the individuals in order to create blogs, web pages and wiki page upkeep. They are television celebrities and have hired my group to oversee all. . 76.248.151.159 (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

How is this different from what Ryulong said? As for the books - articles are not here to promote subjects' vanity projects. Are there any published reviews in newspapers, magazines, etc.? --NeilN 19:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I've made an AFD.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers, a Novel by Pamela ... eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20110901005141/.../conspiracy-theory‎ Sep 1, 2011 - High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers, a Novel by Pamela Martin-Duarte , Star of Style Network/NBC Universal's Hit Big Rich Texas, ... High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers,a Novel by Pamela ... www.reuters.com/article/.../idUS145054+01-Sep-2011+BW20110901‎

Sep 1, 2011 - High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers, a Novel by Pamela Martin-Duarte , Star of Style Network/NBC Universal's Hit Big Rich Texas. High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers, a ... - The Free Library www.thefreelibrary.com › Business › Business Wire › September 1, 2011‎

Sep 1, 2011 - Free Online Library: High Concept Political Intrigue: Hard Whispers, a Novel by Pamela Martin-Duarte, Star of Style Network/NBC Universal's ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noproblemproblem (talk • contribs) 15:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

You're joking, right? These are not articles, these are press releases put out by her company. --NeilN 15:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Powered Flight Day content in Industries section of Connecticut page

Wondering why you removed the content about the newly enacted Powered Flight Day in Connecticut?Tomticker5 (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

What does is it have to do with Connecticut industries? The existing two sentences are already one too many. --NeilN 16:58, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

It commemorates Connecticut's Aviation Industry. Where would you locate it, under a new section titled state holidays?Tomticker5 (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

No, it's not a holiday. And unless you want to add all the "special" days/months (that act alone added five) it does not belong anywhere in the parent article about Connecticut. --NeilN 17:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

edit to pamela martin duarte

the edit was made due to the page appearing as if it was written by someone out of haste and not based on facts required by wikipedia or by someone who personally knows the subject. whether someone filed a lawsuit and or did not return for a season of a television show does not accurately cover the material facts about this person who is a public figure and also a published author. (thoughts?) i also noticed that the blossman person keeps coming up on the martin duarte page which leads me to believe blossman or someone close to her (I looked at her page) is editing the page we are discussing which by the way looks like her resume which is not within the wikipedia guidelines and just because someone is on a reality tv show does not necessarily make them a page candidate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noproblemproblem (talk • contribs) 14:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The sentence is sourced to the NY Times, which is a reliable source for our purposes. Anyways, it is likely the article will be deleted/redirected. --NeilN 15:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

the sentence that i placed on the article was sourced by NY Times however the information about a blogger and a lawsuit is not sourced by NY Times and should be removed as it is a personal statement where aspects of the the situation are not sourced and dont believe we would know the facts unless it is provided by a legal person who is unbiased and actually knows facts and they can be verified — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noproblemproblem (talk • contribs) 15:15, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The NY Times states, "The show received an additional boost of “only in reality-TV world” publicity last April, when Ms. Martin-Duarte filed a defamation lawsuit against her fellow cast members Bonnie Blossman and Dena Miller — who dropped out of the show after a few weeks of shooting — and the blogger Merritt Patterson, who had written critically about the show. (Ms. Martin-Duarte, who quit the show after the second season, has since dropped Ms. Patterson and Ms. Miller from the suit but is still suing Ms. Blossman.)" which is what we have in the article. --NeilN 15:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's Vandalism Pages

I would direct you to the policy, but you seem to be a pro and know exactly where it is. One of the most common types of Vandalism that Misplaced Pages recognizes is the Intentional and Improper Blanking of a Biography of a Living Person.

It defines it as "removing all or significant parts of a page's content without any reason . . . Sometimes referenced information or important verifiable references are deleted with no valid reason(s) given in the summary."

It is wholly appropriate to warn for such instances, and it would be within my right as a Wikipedian to warn you now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2APatriotCA (talk • contribs) 19:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Did you read what you wrote? "Removing all or significant parts of a page's content without any reason..." Reasons were given in edit summaries and on the talk page. --NeilN 22:36, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

User: Will McRoy

Can you please help post warnings on his Talk page and/or report him to the appropriate admin forum to be blocked? He's in a massive edit war to vandalize that Sri Chinmoy article. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 02:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I've reported him for WP:3RR. --NeilN 02:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Saw that; added a comment. Softlavender (talk)

Sangram Singh's page edit

Dear neil. I would request you to protect Sangram Singh's account as i am from his official team. also let me know the criteria of edits i can make. and can we make it not editable. Hope to hear soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibunties (talk • contribs) 06:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Note that I've left this user a note on his talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. And the page is protected. --NeilN 13:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the security situation for women reporting rape in UAE/Dubai

You removed the edit stating that the case of the Norwegian woman sentenced to jail after reporting rape was a one-time incident. This is not correct as there is a least one more registered case of female expats or tourist jailed after reporting having being raped.

Alicia Gail from Australia faced this in 2008 http://www.policymic.com/articles/42367/alicia-gali-rape-victim-who-was-jailed-for-being-assaulted-in-uae-tells-her-story

If you are protecting Dubai/UAE from critisizm you should step down as moderator for this page as this type of censorship is not worthy of Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.200.42.69 (talk) 15:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I've replied here. --NeilN 17:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Music Video Reference

Sorry I was unaware that imdb was an insufficient source.. and I reposted it it because I thought I had accidentally deleted it.. I hadn't noticed your messages yet - There's several hundred sources to validate my addition, so is this one sufficeant? http://www.mtv.com/artists/floria-sigismondi/biography/ Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fxtbuff (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fxtbuff, thanks for taking the time to ask. If you look at the link you provided, at the bottom it says "Source: Misplaced Pages Text from this biography licensed under creative commons license". So the content was copied from here. Content that copies Misplaced Pages cannot be used as sources per WP:CIRCULAR. --NeilN 18:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Neil, Haha ok.. I apologize again then. I will check that next time. The ref guide page seems a bit vague or unclear to me, so may I ask one more question? Can a sufficient source be an article from a credible publication, or can it be a bio from the website of a production company (Ridley Scott's production co. to be specific..) ? Thanks again. Fxtbuff —Preceding undated comment added 18:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

No need to apologize. If you're new to Misplaced Pages, finding good sources can be a bit of a challenge. As to your question, the key thing is to make reasonably sure the source is not self-published. That is, a bio of a person does not just come from person themselves or their PR team. It needs to be fact checked by an independent third party. --NeilN 18:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Daufer

It's an obvious troll who vandalizes several articles that I've been recently working on. Go see his edit history, for example: (his first edit there, he came there only to vandalize my work randomly). --Niemti (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Another example: . Please block it. Thanks. --Niemti (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you're not an admin? OK. --Niemti (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Give me an explanation on the talkpage on why my edits are deleted, and i will; I have used the talkpage but neither you nor Niemti have; so who is vandalising; thats not the proper conduct of Misplaced Pages; report me and i will report you; Daufer (talk) 20:09, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You following Niemti around, blindly reverting his edit because he reverted you on one article is disruptive. Do not do this. --NeilN 20:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I have deleted unsourced info; didnt know it was from him; thats just his paranoia; Daufer (talk) 20:15, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Given that you've never edited video game articles, I don't believe you. Neither will admins. --NeilN 20:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Its still unsourced info; no place for that in Misplaced Pages - read the guidelines; and its the FREE encyclopedia; i can edit any article within the the Misplaced Pages guideline; incl. deletion of unsourced (false) info Daufer (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

How is this unsourced? Why does this formatting change require sourcing ? --NeilN 20:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You know what vandalism is? its when you mess up an article you have no knowledge about and just mess it up for the sake of it; like deleting well referenced info and sources; without any knowledge; Now im entitled to contribute and edit any article i want - all within the Misplaced Pages guidelines and rules -same goes for all those videogame articles; as long as its within the guidelines; Daufer (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it's not (besides that, it's clear that Niemti has knowledge about the topic). Please read Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. And while you're at it, WP:HOUNDING. --NeilN 20:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

NeilN: you don't need to bother about it anymore. (Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Daufer) --Niemti (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

RESPONSE

You probably made the right decision in removing this story.

It has been on a number of sites, that Will wanted another child, and his wife didn't want this.

Cheers, Andrew also known as andyjourn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjourn (talk • contribs) 08:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Shavaiz Shams : Thanks Sir for my help > — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shavaiz Shams (talk • contribs) 16:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Stop vanadalising

I have now done what you could have done instead of deleting an entire referenced paragraph - editied it. In future, edit, don't delete whole paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.115.227 (talk) 13:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

And blocked --NeilN 13:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

smarojit 02:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me?

I wasn't the first one to begin "reverting" anyone's edits. You reverted by edits thrice, so I can post a warning on your page too. Instead, I think it will be better if we can talk about it calmly. Is that a very difficult thing to do? --smarojit 02:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

If you stop adding unsourced info to a WP:BLP, sure. --NeilN 02:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, it isn't unsourced! If you think that it isn't the birth name, but something else, then you must post on the talk page first, instead of blindly reverting! Secondly, when I am trying to reach a consensus, kindly refrain from assuming that you are right, and discuss! --smarojit 02:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Again, you have provided no sources that it's his birth name. Once you do, I'll be happy to step back. Until then, WP:BLP's cannot contain unsourced information like different birth names. --NeilN 02:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Again, I agree that it cannot be confirmed as his birth name, and again we need to mention Shahid Khattar somewhere in the article!! Do you understand? --smarojit 02:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations.

You have been awarded the seldom coveted THUMBS UP AWARD for exemplary editing. It can't be much fun tracking down what must have been a busy few days of editing for User:Middleground09 and undoing most of his/her hard work. But, (opinion), it needed to be done and you made the effort to do it, and for that I am grateful. If you decide to NOT keep this award, please recycle. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:01, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Sincere apologies

I am truly sorry. I was acting on a report a WP:AIV and I blocked you in error. I have, of course, unblocked you with a clear statement in your hitherto clean block log that it was completely my mistake. If it's any consolation to you, this is the first time I've ever done this. If you could see me at this moment, my face is completely red.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Spamming, sockpuppetry, and incompetence! I hit the trifecta! No worries. --NeilN 22:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad you're laughing about it. I think it's going to take me longer to get over this than you. Thanks for understanding.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:16, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Reverted my edit to "Measurement uncertainty"

Hi Neil, Thanks for adding my link. I am an academic working in this field. The current page is highly technical and I feel will be totally baffling to most readers. I understand it is a technical subject and so I elected not to try to change the level of the existing article. Is it true that Misplaced Pages does not have "go here" links in article bodies? If this is the case why does it enable that function? I read the external links guideline and spam guideline before posting and felt that my post was appropriate.

I do feel it is appropriate to link to the authority text on the subject (the official BIPM version of the GUM on their website). I also feel it is appropriate to mention early on that this is a difficult document and provide some links to something more accessible for people who aren't already experts. The UKAS M3003 is an excellent document which I really feel should be linked to. I have no affiliation with either of these documents and can't understand why these links would be removed.

I also linked to the introduction to the subject that I have written on my academic website. If this was a conflict of interest I apologize. I did not believe it to be so. It is a non-commercial information site. I didn't see how I could include this type of beginners step-by-step explanation of measurement uncertainty without totally changing the flavor of the existing Misplaced Pages page. Therefore I included my external link. Perhaps I am biased but I think my page is the best beginners guide to uncertainty on the web and the link would serve the public interest.

The two introductory links I provided (UKAS M3003 and my website) are not in my opinion really "further reading" I believe they are more basic and readily understandable than the current Misplaced Pages page. If the Misplaced Pages page is to be pitched at such a high level for this subject then I do feel it is appropriate to provide external links to more accessible documents in the first paragraph.

Regards Jody Dr Jody Muelaner Research Fellow in Metrology, The University of Bath — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muelaner (talk • contribs) 23:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jody. Misplaced Pages has a Manual of Style which covers the placement of external links. See Misplaced Pages:MOS#External_links. You can carefully add more links to "Further reading" or "External links". I encourage you to propose improvements to the article on its talk page and see if your links can be used as references (cites). --NeilN 23:27, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Lung Cancer Edits

Why was this content taken off of Lung Cancer? Aside from the username being a company name, which will be changed, the material is in no way promoting any product, service, or requiring any purchase. Misplaced Pages does not allow for video/animation submissions, so we include a link to view educational resources. Many of the wikipedia articles link to other websites for more information. We are an educational company providing for the general public. Also, we spoke to a wikipedia representative about donating images to the website. (referencing Ticket#2013061010006654 with Derrick Coetzee). I'm unsure why they are being blocked after they have been approved to submit. Blausenmedical (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

You are promoting links to your own website which is a conflict of interest. And Misplaced Pages does definitely allow for video submissions - see Misplaced Pages:Creation_and_usage_of_media_files#Video. --NeilN 20:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay so there is a ticket. Yes you may upload the videos to commons. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

John Wayne external link

Good morning Neil, I notice that the external link to public domain John Wayne movies has been removed . . . can you let me know what my error was? I am confident that you did not find any movies with a current copyright owner among them. If I erred in some other way I would appreciate knowing how to correct same. My intention is not to spam or offend or add any content that is not helpful to visitors interested in Mr. Wayne. tia, Jimbo Jimbo-Berkey (talk) 08:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 13:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Questions about editing the Page on Goliath

Hi NeilN,

I saw your link to the original research page in reference to the rollback of my contributions to the Goliath wiki page. I would like to refactor my contributions to include mostly citations & then actually resubmit, because I worked on those contributions for well over an hour if not two. Being as I am relatively new to wikipedia editing can you tell me how to do the following:

- Find the best way to politely dispute something already in the article or suggest it be improved. Is that what the talk page is for? Who monitors that and how am I guaranteed anyone will see it?

- If many claims are made in a paragraph and only one citation is placed at the very end of that paragraph may I place a tag at the end of one particular sentence that needs verification?

My goal is to positively contribute but there are some things in that article that I would dispute as to its neutrality unless some clarifications/improvements in the article are made. I tried to expand the information in that article but admittedly not everything was citable.

P.S. Also I saw that Atlan actually rolled my changes back but you contacted me/left a message on my user page. Did he notify you of his undo, or tag it in some way for review? If I also undo someone's change do I need to follow some procedure?

Thanks.

Jmnielsen (talk) 23:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Jmnielsen

First question last - Every registered editor has a watchlist that can used to monitor changes to articles. Goliath is on my watchlist and I saw Altan's revert and went to check if he left a message for you explaining why. He did not, so I did. You'll find that a lot of times other editors will jump in to make sure new editors are helped along.

You can use the talk page to discuss changes/issues with the article. Anyone who has the article on their watchlist will see it. You can add {{cn}} tags wherever you see fit. Check if the cite at the end of the paragraph has the info you're looking for first, though. You can also place {{POV-Statement}} after statements whose neutrality you question (explain further on the talk page)

You can undo anyone's change, but if the problems aren't fixed, you will be quickly reverted. If you wish, I can place a copy of your changes in a sandbox in your user space for you to work on. --NeilN 00:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

RE:A bit harsh

I didn't gave a final warning to the user, I just warned them as any other user, and Huggle already had her/him labeled as "Level 3". Perhaps the warn you gave to the user triggered something. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:47, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure you didn't mistakenly give an "only warning"? If you are, I will follow up with the Huggle folks. --NeilN 23:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't. I give "only warning"s in specific cases, and this was not one of them. As I said, at the moment I reverted the user, HG labeled her as "3", I thought she already had three warns. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:57, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Made to Benin info Page

Hello NeilN,

Thank you for the welcoming message and the tips for editing. I believe it would be a sham to remove the additions I made to the Benin page without looking at the logic behind them. The original information on the page is utterly wrong. Anyone with any knowledge of history would clearly see this. If you are telling me that Misplaced Pages is a Western Medium and as such prefers its own interpretation of history, then go for it, for there would surely be no way to refute the faulty assertion that the kingdoms of Abgbomey and Porto-Novo were formed because of slavery as seemingly mainstream Western sources say. However, keep in mind that the same Western sources comment on the Portuguese arriving in the Bight of Benin and meeting these existing Kingdoms centuries before the Transatlantic Slave trade even began. Is that not contradictory?

I think it would behoove Misplaced Pages to also police these clear lapses in simple logic on that page. I was reading through the page and it is fraught with obviously contradicting information. It was so embarrassing that I made an account to try to point this out. Read the French version of the same page to see how they contradict each other. It is a farce.

With my best regards, Pardessus1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pardessus1 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to only use Western sources. If you have other reliable sources, use them. If the French version has other sources, use those as well. If you think something is wrong (and it's unsourced), remove it. Using the article's talk page to point out specific concerns would be helpful as well. --NeilN 19:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I will edit the page again when I get some time. Thank you for the suggestions.Pardessus1 (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Reversion to Edit on Edward Snowden

Greetings,

I wanted to momentarily discuss the reversion to the edit removing that sentence on Edward Snowden describing viewpoints. While you are correct, this does indeed accurately reflect the multiple viewpoints expressed by persons in the wake of the leaks by Edward Snowden, it is indeed possible to see how it could create the potential for POV to become a factor in reading the article. This was expressed by others in #wikipedia which is what led me to make the edit.

Regards, ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 16:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, if you want the material removed, you should make the case on the article's talk page. To be frank, most of us don't care what is said on IRC. --NeilN 16:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Understandable. Thanks. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 16:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

James Bates (sportscaster)

You keep deleting my entry for James Bates (sportscaster) - The current entry is not correct. I work for FOX Sports South and I am trying update his bio. Please let me know what I can do to get this corrected. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.205.224.10 (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

		The BLP Barnstar
		For asking the right questions and initiating the right discussion at WP:DOB NickCT (talk) 12:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks NickCT. I hope the discussion will lead to a policy that accurately describes what we practice. --NeilN 06:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

AMERICAN SAMOA EDIT!

Hi niel, I am not familiar yet on the rules of editing articles here in Wiki but I believe my edit is correct and accurate. About the reliable source you are pertaining, i dont know how to do it so im giving my apologies. Can you show me how then?

Replied here. --NeilN 06:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Abacus: Further Reading

Hi,

You reverted my edits of Abacus: Further Reading to revision 566816145.

I posted my comments and requests on my talk page; please respond to it.

Thanks, Steve Stephenson Sks23cu (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 15:29, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Jesus in Islam page

Hi, I removed that section because some of it was untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.31.241 (talk) 15:45, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

There are two sources cited. What about those? --NeilN 15:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks sir for helping and telling me this thing . I really don't know about this thing can you tell me the thing how many edits are required to upload the Second article .Shavaiz Shams (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Detroit

I'm curious how did you get the pdf to work? I click on it and nothing happens. I have no problems accessing other PDF files. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lance Friedman (talk • contribs) 18:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

What browser are you using? I just click the link and "Detroit Crime Barometer October 2005.pdf" downloads. Have you tried right-clicking the link and doing a "Save as..."? --NeilN 19:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I was using chrome and couldn't get it to work, but i just now switched to my ipad and the link worked. Hmm... weird. In the future I'll try to be me careful and double check before putting up dead link templates.Lance Friedman (talk) 19:16, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries, I've done the same in the past. BTW, when you reply, it'd be helpful if you increase the indentation by adding one more : than the post you're replying to (I've fixed the above). --NeilN 19:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Cottage

re: many cn tags. I think any of them are and will be happily ignored. I intend to delete this stuff in a month and I don't want any more wikilawyering fights similar to "dacha" unreferenced for 5 years. - Altenmann >t 02:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Edits by Binthaneya

Hi,
Let's continue this chat on User_talk:NGPriest#Edits_by_Binthaneya?
NGPriest was here (talk | contribs) 05:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Editing kumbhar page

I edited the page by observing what is there in society.And almost it was most filled page with all the details.PLease dont revert back the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PRIYC004 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 14:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Please take to talk page

The name "Mahatma" is an honorific. I should know I wrote most of the first three sections (including) the lead of the article. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

"ji" can also be considered an honorific. And I've replied here. --NeilN 19:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Please stop making edit conflicts

in Russian mafia until I suspect you're doing it for purpose) 93.73.20.131 (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Um, WP:AGF. You put a tag on, I'm trying to address it. Check the timestamps - I had no idea you were going to edit the entire article. And you'll have to explain the "who?". It's like asking who calls the Italian Mafia the Italian Mafia or an apple an apple. --NeilN 02:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I did check the timestamps. The second your edit was after my "in use" tag; the first one - pointless to a point of trolling( You're supposed to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the Misplaced Pages:Templates before deleting particular templates and asking other users what do those mean. Oh, and to WP:AGF and resort to article's talk even after that. If you fail to do that so far, than there are sandboxes and the like.

BTW, there's a clear sense in asking "who calls the Italian Mafia the Italian Mafia". Because Italians don't). Ukrained2012 (talk) 02:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit conflicts - a minute after which means I was already editing when you put the tag on. And I'm quite familiar with the use of templates. I am unfamiliar with the use you're putting them to as your who's and what's mostly make no sense. You'll note that there's no who? in Sicilian Mafia, just alternate names. Like in Shakers. Or French Foreign Legion. Or Ku Klux Klan. Or... --NeilN 02:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, if you were unable to see which most possibly evident article flaws was I tagging, and why, than you could just... I don't know... delete your account? Stop abusing your father's computer? Sorry, but that's just my impression from your questions( Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 03:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Being a very polite user I hope you'll be ready to answer my questions on the article talk page about your tagging. --NeilN 04:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Most certainly. Ukrained2012 (talk) 10:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Malawi - Edit War?

You left a message on my User page at 17.34 about Malawi. Let's be clear, all I am trying to do is restore material which I produced, which I think has merit, but which two other individuals seem determined to take down without having notified me or entered into prior discussion.

I make no apology for this, and if this is going to get me banned from Misplaced Pages, so be it. I think that, unfortunately, there are far too many people involved in Misplaced Pages who do not produce much themselves but are far to ready to interfere with what other people do.

Shscoulsdon (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

No one is arguing it doesn't have merit. Their point of view is that it's too detailed for a top-level article about a country. Why not create a new article? --NeilN 17:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

My first problem is that I don't believe either of the two individuals have made much of a case, apart from the fact they both acted without prior discussion. One said it was too long at over 8,000 units (its about 8,150, hardly an inordinate excess) and the second couldn't really decide where to put it, but felt able to interfere. My second is that I'm quite certain that neither of the two could have written the section, so there is no question that they could conduct a credible peer review of the subject. I have over the last year or so contribute to a good many existing and quite a few articles on Malawi, an area that still has many gaps. I have to say that this is not the first time that I've been demotivated by the actions of other users, and perhaps it is time that I gave up trying to contribute. So, I don't intend to create a new article, and I'm afraid I regard the section in question as a red line. If it is removed, then I will say a not very fond farewell to Misplaced Pages.

Shscoulsdon (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Freyja

Hi cant find your talk page..

Hi please re-remove the painting of Freya This nude painting of Freya - is only rumored to be Freya, and is not relevant to the context. And is nowhere worthy to be a picture of a Norse Goddess Its a Goddess not pornstar

The painting is a women with a black cat and Not Freya with her boar Hildisvíni

All the pictures on that page are interpretations of Freyja. The one you're removing is by a well-known Swedish artist and is relevant as the rest. --NeilN 23:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Also, from the first sentence, "In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja is the owner of the necklace Brísingamen, rides a chariot pulled by two cats..." --NeilN 23:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

From the notes on the wikimedia. The cat in the present work is a clear nod to Manet. Dedicated 'To my friend Roosevelt',

This is clearly an insult, to raise controversy and awareness to the artists other works, mainly painting of him self. Hence not in the censor category but, blasphemy category. And is actually illegal.

Only a few thousands Norse mythologist left, means still illegal - i would much rather see the actual file deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ringler.dk (talk • contribs) 01:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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  oh sorry i was bore and i need to just delete or edit but thx for the help --[[User:dyorkerman| —Preceding undated comment added 14:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  Red Hair

  

  My edit on the Red hair page is an improvement to the article and was compliant with the concerns raised by the other users on that page. Undoing another editors work, as you keep doing, can lead to you being blocked from editing Please refresh yourself with the Misplaced Pages guidelines on editing content, you must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Thanks. SnollyPheasant (talk) 15:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  Actually, six editors do not think your picture should grace the article. You're the only one who does. Please use the talk page to change consensus - Talk:Red_hair#Edit_request_on_21_June_2013. --NeilN 16:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  A Good Editor edits and publishes not put tags! Thanks.

  Dear Neil (may I call you that?), A Good Editor should edit and publish and not just put tags. If you ever work in a newspaper, any Editor who sends back a copy to the writer will be considered a horrible/terrible editor. Next time, do remove water-mark or any other changes yourself. All my edits, I have taken responsibility in making changes, never put tags in other people's write-ups. And for a professional journalist, it takes a lot of time to do Wiki writing. Appreciate that. I congratulate that you have done lots of work in Wiki, all I wish is that "DO EDIT", simply do not put tags and vanish. Let's work it out together and improve the quality of the Indian fashion articles in Wiki, make them more readable. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Your key mistake is labelling yourself as the "writer" and me as the "editor". We are all editors here. While we will fix trivial and not-so-trivial mistakes by others, in the end, it is the person's job making the initial edit to make sure the edit complies with our policies and guidelines. For example, if you add unsourced content to an article, it is doubtful that someone will come along and add sources for you unless they're very easy to find. In this case, you say you own the photo. Therefore, you were the one who put the watermark on. No one is going to spend time painstakingly removing the watermark (if they even have the skills) when you can simply upload an unwatermarked copy. --NeilN 17:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Please do not bite the newcomers says Jimbo Wales. Misplaced Pages and WikiNews Needs to Expand. Thanks :)

  Misplaced Pages articles are improved through the hard work of regular editors, but also through numerous contributions made by newcomers. Remember: all of us were new editors at Misplaced Pages once, and in some ways (such as when editing an article on a topic outside our usual scope) even the most experienced among us are still newcomers.

  New members are prospective contributors and are therefore Misplaced Pages's most valuable resource. We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience—nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility. It is very unlikely for a newcomer to be completely familiar with all of the policies, guidelines, and community standards of Misplaced Pages when they start editing. Even the most experienced editors may need a gentle reminder from time to time. Thanks.

  @ Neil... I am a part of Misplaced Pages too. And I feel, you should appreciate the time spent on clicking the photo and putting it. You might not be a professional journalist/photographer, but others are and yet some wants to donate the images to enhance the quality of the wiki articles. It is your duty, to add a picture to an article. Why does the 1st world country's designers all have photos in their wiki article, and no picture in a Indian fashion designer's wiki??? Let's work it out together and improve the quality of the Indian fashion articles in Wiki, make them more readable my dear buddy for Indian fashion fraternity. Let's also be more considerate towards Indian wikipedians and Indian designers. Many Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 18:10, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  I did not bite you. I removed the photo with an edit summary pointing to the appropriate guideline and left you a message on your talk page thanking you and also pointing you to the policy. How is that hostile? If you play a new card game and make a mistake is someone telling you the rules and making you replay hostile? New editors are not exempt from following policies and guidelines so they will get pointers and reminders to guidelines. Secondly, it is not "my duty" to add anything to an article. We are all volunteers here. My specific area of interest is making sure edits follow our policies and guidelines. And the reason why more Indian designer articles don't have pictures is because the people who have the most access to them (probably Indians) haven't uploaded them. Not the First World volunteers' fault. --NeilN 18:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Let's have Coffee together buddy! :)

  Let's have Coffee together buddy. I got your points, but you got to be more passionate when you speak to Indians. I wish I could invite you to India. I wish there will be a Wikimania in India soon. I would invite you. Thanks buddy! :) Sou Boyy (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Misplaced Pages to Expand to India, says Jimbo Wales. Misplaced Pages and WikiNews Needs to Expand. Thanks :)

  Re: "And the reason why more Indian designer articles don't have pictures is because the people who have the most access to them (probably Indians) haven't uploaded them. Not the First World volunteers' fault." --NeilN 18:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  @Neil... Anna Wintour would not do wikipedia! Similarly, fashion editors do not do wikipedia in India too. You are very rich my dear friend, in India your brothers do not have electricity and while you have a computer, and fast internet and a expensice camera camera. Now you know why it is difficult for Indians to part-take in online activities when a large majority cannot have electricity! Be Human my dear friend! Lots of Love from India. I wish one day, you can come to India and ask this questions! Be passionate towards Indians.

  Again, how is that the First World's fault? And I know enough about India to know they have a huge middle class (larger than most countries) with ample online access and cell phones everywhere. --NeilN 19:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Please do not bite the newcomers!

  Understand that newcomers are both necessary for and valuable to the community. By empowering newcomers, we can improve the diversity of knowledge, perspectives, and ideals on Misplaced Pages, thereby preserving its neutrality and integrity as a resource and ultimately increasing its value. In fact, it has been found that newcomers are responsible for adding the majority of lasting content to Misplaced Pages (i.e., substantive edits); while insiders and administrators are responsible for a large bulk of total edits, these often involve tweaking, reverting, and rearranging content.

  Remember that you too were once a newcomer. Treat others as you wish you had been treated (or perhaps were treated) when you first arrived.

  Remember: "Don't bite, do what's right. Being a friend is all right." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 18:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  You mean the helpful advice I got when I started? , , If you make mistakes (unknowingly, I grant you), you should expect a note saying you made a mistake so you can fix it and not make it again. --NeilN 19:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Please do not bite the newcomers says Jimbo Wales! Misplaced Pages and WikiNews Needs to Expand. Thanks :)

  Re: Again, how is that the First World's fault? And I know enough about India to know they have a huge middle class (larger than most countries) with ample online access and cell phones everywhere. --NeilN talk to me 19:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  @Neil... Expect you to come to India and see it for yourself!!! It's 1am in India, either fix the issue when you know how to, that's Indian way, if you cannot behave nicely to Indians, leave Indian articles for Indian wikipedians to edit!

  Re: You mean the helpful advice I got when I started? , , If you make mistakes (unknowingly, I grant you), you should expect a note saying you made a mistake so you can fix it and not make it again. --NeilN talk to me 19:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  I expect Indian politeness, and if in India, one knows how to fix it, they do it, not sent it back, In India, we live in collective society unlike individualistic society. Hence, we do it ourself. Please change your way of speaking when you speak to an Indian, we are a country where we expect love and passion over anything. If you expect Indians, to respect you, learn some more about India, by coming to India. I still wish, Wikimedia's Foundation would be in India, you know where it is??? Right! And the way, the messages are coming to me, any Indian would find it very offensive. You cannot be so direct when you are working with Indians, you have to politely indirectly convey your message. Thanks.

  PS: Also, stop stalking me. In India, we expect people to be polite and write emails, not shower in with this tags. It's 1am in India, have some respect for Indians, while you wish to work with them. Do have some respect for Indians and be more passionate. In India, we generally do not like anyone touching our work without our permission. Seek permission via email sourendra.das@gmail.com and only if you get permission by an Indian to touch his work, put tags, or else any Indian with conventional sentiments will be hurt! Thanks.

  Please do not bite the newcomers

  If a newcomer seems to have made a small mistake (e.g., forgetting to put book titles in italics), try to correct it yourself: do not slam the newcomer. Remember, this is a place where anyone may edit and therefore it is each person's responsibility to edit, rather than to criticize or supervise others. If you use bad manners or curse at newcomers, they may decide not to contribute to the encyclopedia again.

  If you feel that you must say something to a newcomer about a mistake, please do so in a constructive and respectful manner. Begin by introducing yourself with a greeting on the user's talk page to let them know that they are welcome here, and present your corrections calmly and as a peer. If possible, point out things that they've done correctly or well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 19:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Please do not bite the newcomers, Email me everything you have to say! Thanks.

  Email Me. See I have my Face and Email on my Page. It is difficult for an Indian to talk to a page, your page looks like a robot almost. Can you be more personal, communicate via email. In India, we do not speak so openly in public. Please understand Indian emotions when you work with them. Be less direct, your statements are so direct, any Indian would get hurt! And you are scaring an Indian and forcing in most western way to do things. You are scaring me to not donate any articles or anything to wikipedia. Are you here to scare Indians??? Do be more passionate, use Indian customs when you deal with Indian people. You ought to be polite and visible with photo and all according to Indian standards if you wish to work with Indians and want us to feel comfortable in Misplaced Pages. Live and Let the Indians Live. You are scaring me! Thanks. sourendra.das@gmail.com

  Please do not bite the newcomers!

  Remember that newcomers are often unaware that edit histories are saved. When their edits are deleted, they may panic, start an edit war, or leave Misplaced Pages entirely, mistakenly assuming that hours of work have been irretrievably deleted. Please gently let newcomers know that their work is never lost and can always be retrieved from the history. Inform them that they are able to negotiate on talk pages and that if all else fails they can always revisit the article a few months later to negotiate with a new set of editors.

  Newcomers may be hesitant to make changes, especially major ones, such as NPOV-ing and moving, due to fear of damaging Misplaced Pages (or of offending other Wikipedians and being flamed). Teach them to be bold.

  Listen actively.

  Remember: "Don't bite, do what's right. Being a friend is all right." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 19:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  How to avoid being a "biter"? Be Nice to Indians!

  How to avoid being a "biter"

  Newcomers' ideas of how things should be handled within Misplaced Pages will largely be out of context. It's a jungle out there, and it may take some time before a newcomer becomes accustomed to how things work here. Keeping that in mind may help you avoid becoming a "biter". To avoid being accused of biting, try to:

  1. Avoid intensifiers in commentary (e.g., exclamation points and words like terrible, dumb, stupid, bad, etc.).
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  @NEILN... YOU ARE SCARING ME! YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A PHOTO IN YOUR PAGE. YOU ARE SCARING ME! DO NOT TOUCH MY PAGE PLEASE!

  What to do if you feel you have "bitten"? Thanks!

  If you have bitten someone, or feel that you have been bitten, considering the following points could help ensure that it doesn't happen again.

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  @Misplaced Pages...This user "NeilN" has scared/bitten me a lot! Tell him to email me (sourendra.das@gmail.com) if there is anything and not touch my page PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 20:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  On a related note...

  While I agree that the editor who is complaining has an unrealistic expectation, (rearing talkback tags), I think now that we have a new notification system, it would be good practice to use their name in your response, and let the notification make the less obtrusive notification. However, I wouldn't be fully comfortable unless I knew I could check to see if they received the notice. That's why I proposed a Notifications delivered feature.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Hi SPhilbrick. Yes, I tend to do that with experienced editors (usually with an "@") but for new editors I fall back on using the talkback template for the reason you described. --NeilN 20:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  @ Sphilbrick... Thanks, it's my 1st day in WikiNews and this userpage is harassing me and not allowing me to donate any article to Misplaced Pages. I am scared that he can hack my account and do some vandalism, since he knows a lot how to manipulate. Please help me and I am scared as he is stalking me for last few hours. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sou Boyy (talk • contribs) 21:04, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  Sou Boyy, as I'm sure you have worked out, NeilN is not threatening you or attempting to 'hack' your page. He's communicating with you - that's what your talk page is for. You are obviously web-savvy from looking at your own website and user and talk pages here. Take a little while to learn how we communicate at Misplaced Pages which tends to be open and public via talk pages. Use of email is actually somewhat frowned on because it's not open and public; it's much better if we can all see the communications (that way if someone really is threatening, we can all see it and react.) NeilN is giving you helpful advice, please heed it. But do ask questions here if you are not sure how Misplaced Pages works. Kim Dent-Brown 21:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)