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::I appreciate your guess/response. However, I fail to see how that would be enough reason to change what would be an otherwise correct statement if "and" was replaced for the "or". '''My name is ] (]) 19:41, 9 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.''' ::I appreciate your guess/response. However, I fail to see how that would be enough reason to change what would be an otherwise correct statement if "and" was replaced for the "or". '''My name is ] (]) 19:41, 9 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.'''
:::It wouldn't be correct if "and" were substituted for "or" because, as Ian told you, Jews and Christians use different bibles. If we were to say "and", it would knock the New Testament out of the Bible because it's not considered sacred in Judaism. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 01:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC) :::It wouldn't be correct if "and" were substituted for "or" because, as Ian told you, Jews and Christians use different bibles. If we were to say "and", it would knock the New Testament out of the Bible because it's not considered sacred in Judaism. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 01:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

==IS THE BIBLE A TRUE HISTORY==
Shouldn't this bible be classified in the fiction section along with the muslims Koran? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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Dead Sea Scrolls

The article mentioned:
"The oldest Tanakh manuscript in Hebrew and Aramaic dates to the 10th century CE, but an early 4th-century Septuagint translation is found in the Codex Vaticanus."
What is ignored is the Dead Sea scrolls. They are much older. There is a wiki article that discusses the dead sea scrolls. CreateW (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete bible from page

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108.184.36.208 (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. No edit was requested. Begoon 23:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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4th paragraph: By the 2nd century BCE Jewish groups . . .

Should this not be ACE (AD)? BCE is before the common era (BC). This would be before much of the Bible was written. 173.167.246.156 (talk) 02:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much all of the Old Testament was well finished by the 5th to 3rd centuries BC. The sentence could use a "later" before going on to the Christians. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not clear on where "later" would go in that sentence. At any rate, there doesn't appear to be consensus for the requested change, and no source has been provided, so I'm closing the request for now. Noting for the record that I can't find anything in the body of the article that explicitly supports that sentence in the lede. Rivertorch (talk) 04:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

"considered sacred in Judaism or Christianity"?

Shouldn't this read "considered sacred in Judaism and Christianity"? I am not a regular contributor to this article and see it is protected. Though I could make the change myself, I think someone who is more familiar with the history of edits in this article could make the change... My name is Mercy11 (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.

If I had to guess, I believe the reasoning behind "or" was that Judaism and Christianity use different Bibles. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate your guess/response. However, I fail to see how that would be enough reason to change what would be an otherwise correct statement if "and" was replaced for the "or". My name is Mercy11 (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
It wouldn't be correct if "and" were substituted for "or" because, as Ian told you, Jews and Christians use different bibles. If we were to say "and", it would knock the New Testament out of the Bible because it's not considered sacred in Judaism. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 01:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

IS THE BIBLE A TRUE HISTORY

Shouldn't this bible be classified in the fiction section along with the muslims Koran? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vcorani (talkcontribs) 05:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposal

I am not saying Ian is incorrect in his statement that the Jewish and Christian bibles are different. What I am saying is that we cannot assume that the reader knows that it says "or" because different bibles are used in each of those two religions. What I am saying is that we cannot assume that the reader knows that saying "or" is Misplaced Pages's way to not knock the NT out of the Bible. So, because the two bibles are different, perhaps the wording could be improved to reflect better the fact that their contents are different. How about if we reworded that first paragragh to read as follows:

"The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, "the books") is a canonical collection of texts considered sacred in Judaism as well as in Christianity. The term Bible is shared between the two religions, although the exact contents of each of their collections of canonical texts is not the same. Different religious groups include different books within their canons..."

I am curious to know if this would accommodate your concerns? My name is Mercy11 (talk) 03:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.

No further comments??? Then implementing the tweak as discussed above. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 02:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
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