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July 22

Omaha Beach 6 June 1944

High US casualties are attributed to the sinking in rough seas of most of the amphibious swimming tanks intended to support infantry. But the Omaha beach had been effectively barricaded with anti-tank obstacles of which the invasion planners were aware. What were the tanks intended to achieve, had they arrived as planned? DreadRed (talk) 02:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The tank traps do not appear (as far as I can see) to have had a large part in the tanks problems. Our DD Tank page says of the landings on Omaha specifically:"DD Tanks were designed to operate in waves up to 1 foot (0.3 m) high; however, on D-Day the waves were up to 6 ft (1.8 m) high." and "the tanks of 741st Tank Battalion were launched too far out, about 3 mi (4.8 km) offshore". (which seems to be contradicted by statements below that the plan was to launch 6,000 yards out.) On Omaha some of the the tanks were apparently carried all the way to the beach. See here at the part marked Page 39, " In the 116th RCT zone, the officers in charge of the tank-loaded LCT's had decided not to risk the conditions of sea, and the 32 DD's of the 743d Tank Battalion were carried in to the beach."

• Omaha Beach: "the 741st Tank Battalion put 29 DDs into the sea, but 27 of these sank, the remaining two made the long swim to the beach."
• Gold Beach: "Eight tanks were lost on the way in"
• Juno Beach: "twenty-one out of twenty-nine tanks reached the beach"
• Utah Beach: "Twenty-seven out of twenty eight reached the beach"

All of these losses seem to have been to the tanks failing to float as designed, not due to anti tank obstacles. I am not very up on the history of the tanks on D-Day and stand to be corrected! I am only going off what WP and it's sources state.

• As for what the tanks were "intended to achieve", " launched from 6,000 yards out, swim ashore, and take up firing positions at the water's edge to cover the first phase of the assault. Their fire was to be placed on the main enemy fortifications, particularly those west of Exit D-l which could bring flanking fire on Dog Beach. Moving up through the obstacles as the tide rose, the tanks would support the main assault and then clear the beach through Exit D-3'" sourced from here in Omaha Beachhead , Assault Plan, Plan of Assault Landings, p30 (last paragraph ) --220 of 06:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The phrase "Moving up through the obstacles as the tide rose.." conjures an image of 30 tonne Sherman tanks with their canvas buoyancy skirts still intact swimming over obstacles like these. The source appears to be a US Army historian writing after one of their costliest actions (3000 prepared troops killed in minutes by fewer than half as many defenders, mostly German teenagers) needed to be explained. The invasion planners had recent experience of probing German coast defence in the Dieppe Raid where all 29 tanks that landed were blocked and abandoned; their crews all killed or captured. So after their swimming stunt (that failed), what were the DD Shermans ever going to achieve at Omaha? DreadRed (talk) 10:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

To me, "Moving up through the obstacles as the tide rose.." just means that the tanks would move slowly up the beach, destroying obstacles in their path as they went. Anti-tank obstacles are not supposed to be impenetrable; they are just intended to slow tanks down so that their mobility is impeded and they become easier targets for anti-tank weapons and other tanks. Gandalf61 (talk) 11:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Note that on that very picture, taken 6 June, there is a Sherman on the landward side of the defences, and it certainly wasn't lifted over by a crane. So passing the obstacles was certainly possible! As G61 notes above, the tank traps are also not an impenetrable barrier; they're meant to slow down and congest vehicles to make them easy targets. The planners would have been aware of this, and chose to land the tanks anyway; a tank on the beach, even if effectively pinned down, was probably felt better than no support at all.

As for what the Shermans were "ever going to achieve", the answer is exactly as described - close support artillery for getting troops past fixed defences, firing from positions near the edge of the beach. They certainly failed to get there, but that doesn't mean their intended role would also have failed. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

• Those are not antitank traps but mined coastal defences against boat landing at hight tide. Hence, the D day landings were timed for low tide, so that the vessels taking in the spear force did not come to grief on them. Antitank defences are different from these. Read the history books. The OP may be getting confused with land tanks and LST's. Two different beasts.--Aspro (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit/Edit Source buttons

Can someone please explain to me how to use the Edit/Edit source features? When did this start? Herzlicheboy (talk) 05:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit invokes the visual editor. WP:VE. Edit source invokes the normal editing method with Wikitext. The visual editor was in beta for awhile and was recently rolled out for all users. RudolfRed (talk) 05:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

What are the reviews and comments on the new feature so far? Does anyone have any links? Thanks for your help, btw. Herzlicheboy (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I provided a link in my reply. From there you can see the feedback that's been provided. RudolfRed (talk) 06:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

See here: Misplaced Pages:VisualEditor/Feedback too. A lot of editors seem to be rather unhappy with Visual Editor. --220 of 06:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Any way to opt out of it? I already know Wikimarkup from other wikis. Also, funny how the rationale stated at WP:VE is that wikimarkup is somehow "unacceptable in 2013" (I'm paraphrasing). That is just more evidence of the "dumbing down" of society. Herzlicheboy (talk) 06:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

In your preferences, under gadgets you can turn off the visual editor. Or just always use "edit source" if that's the interface you prefer. RudolfRed (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Pregnancy and flights

Can a pregnant woman get on a plane and travel? (my story stuffs) Miss Bono 16:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

From the Mayo Clinic: "Generally, commercial air travel during pregnancy is considered safe for women who have healthy pregnancies." They go on to mention that one should check with their doctor anyway. Mingmingla (talk) 16:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mingmingla, thanks for your answer. Have another question: you are safe even if you are a 8 month pregnant woman (Again: I am not pregnan, for those who think that :)) Miss Bono 17:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Most airlines allow pregnant women to travel through their eighth month. Traveling during the ninth month is usually allowed if there is permission from your health care provider. - American Pregnancy Association DreadRed (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

And if they travel during the 9th month, they really should reserve an extra seat, just in case. :-) StuRat (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

lol! Miss Bono 19:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much DreadRed Miss Bono 19:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a request for medical advice, question should be directed to a your doctor, not the Misplaced Pages reference desk. There are a whole lot of complexity in this issue, many different factors to consider for each individual. --Soman (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I pointed out somewhere up there that is a hypothetical question about a story I am writting ↑And even if I were pregnant and wanted to travel I couldn't... Miss Bono 19:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that we can't circumvent medical/legal aid questions by posing them as hypothetical, there are real risks involved in people making medical decisions based on what is said in an anonymous forum like this. --Soman (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Assume good faith. It's not our job to sleuth out people's hidden motives. -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Had she said, can this girl I know who's 8 weeks pregnant fly safely? you'd have your request fro advice--but I am glad someone is watching. μηδείς (talk) 00:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC))

I didn't read this as a request for medical advice. I saw it as a question about airline rules. And anyway, pregnancy isn't a medical condition. HiLo48 (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, that's why one doesn't see a doctor when pregnant. μηδείς (talk) 00:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It depends on the breadth of the term "condition". Pregnancy was once referred to as "her delicate condition". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It most certainly is a medical condition. What I think HiLo means is that it is not an illness, and he'd be right there. It may be accompanied by certain illnesses, but pregnancy itself is not an illness. But to repeat my opening sentence, it most certainly is a medical condition. (Spoken by someone who spent a number of years writing fund rules and policies, and definitions, for a major Australian private health insurance company.) -- Jack of Oz 10:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

From my Google search for born in on airplane aeroplane in flight, I found Mom Cleared to Fly Gives Birth on Airplane! | The Stir.

—Wavelength (talk) 00:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

So, obviously, the answer to the OP's initial question is "Yes". In fact, the anecdote you linked to could be a good plot line for the OP's story. Throw in some creepy critters on the plane, and some random wacked-out passengers and crew, and you've got a good plot line for an "Airplane" type movie. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

... and don't call me Shirley. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The possibility of a passenger going into labour in-flight cannot be ruled out and is therefore an event Flight attendants must be prepared to handle. A good attendant notices a female passenger in advanced pregnancy and inobtrusively enquires whether she is comfortable, e.g. would like an extra pillow, speaks english, and knows how long the flight will last. The pilot has the immediate authority to rule whether the passenger may fly and will consider a notice from an attendant that a passenger is likely to cause inconvenience. We can speculate on the legal consequences neither of a late-pregnant woman being refused flight, nor of compensation an unsuspecting passenger might claim for life's drama unfolding on the window seat next to him. DreadRed (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you guys! and girls, if there is some girl involved... :) Anyways! Thank you all... this stuff of the ref desk is fun... I have a lot of ideas... it is helping me with my writer's block period :o Miss Bono 12:28, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hang on, though. In late pregnancy airlines may refuse to carry you (I'm seeing "past 36 weeks" on some websites) and you may be refused travel insurance. Itsmejudith (talk) 13:17, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

That's mean with poor pregnant girls. Miss Bono 18:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

That's capitalism for you! Itsmejudith (talk) 13:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah... luckily she has rich friends and boyfriend who has private planes. Miss Bono 13:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd treat this as a reference request for the rules and suggestions of airlines and airports, because we can't answer the medical part. If you would like to know the medical part, you'd have to ask your doctor.

Sadly, the reference request doesn't have a single answer because it would depend on which airline and country and airport you use. Once you know that, however, the airline will likely be able to help you if you ask them. For example, Air France has information for pregnant women intending to travel. They recommend you to “seek your doctor´s opinion before your trip”, “avoid travel in the final month of pregnancy, as well as during the first 7 days after delivery”, along with some other suggestions. Budapest Airport tells on their homepage when pregnant women are allowed to travel. As the rules can differ everywhere, I suggest that if you want to travel while pregnant, ask your airline company and airport about rules and advice. – b_jonas 13:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

One more thing. You can try to ask on our sister project: v:Wikivoyage:Tourist_Office. – b_jonas 13:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks b_jonas, but did you read all the treat? It is not a real situation. I am not pregnan, I cannot travel anywhere and I cannot access v:Wikivoyage:Tourist_Office due to my Internet access problems :) Miss Bono 12:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

You can still read the homepages of of airports and airlines are ask them about information. That you're not pregnant and it's for a book doesn't change anything. – b_jonas 09:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

And again b_jonas, for the 100th I have no internet access. Everything is blocked at work except Misplaced Pages.

July 23

where legs are amputated

I'm watching the very interesting vlog of "AmputeeOT" (an occupational therapist who recently lost a foot), and it occurs to me: one hears of amputation below or above the knee — how come I've never heard of amputation at the knee, i.e. keeping the whole femur but no bone below? —Tamfang (talk) 06:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It's possible. The Gritti-Stokes amputation is an amputation done through the knee. It's mentioned at Amputation#Leg_amputations but there's no detail. I found a little via google. RudolfRed (talk) 07:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Coffee pod things

This is a very long shot, but I've been given a box of Dolce Gusto coffe pod type things, and I wonder if I can use them in a Nespresso home machine? --TammyMoet (talk) 12:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Our Dolce Gusto article states (unsourced) that "The Nestlé capsule systems are currently not compatible with each other, and each system requires different types of coffee capsules. Since the design is proprietary, these capsules are only available from the manufacturer." - Cucumber Mike (talk) 12:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

We truly have an article on everything! Thanks Mike. --TammyMoet (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I suspect that they use the business model where they sell the coffee maker dirt cheap, perhaps even free, counting on selling you the pods at a steep markup, since there's no competition for their proprietary pods. (Of course, you can always throw the whole thing in the trash and get a cheaper system, once you realize the situation.) StuRat (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

(this is a response to Cucumber Mike's post) Hmm, the second part of that sentence is wrong. Capsules are not only available from other manufacturers, but (at least in Europe) legitimately so, according to the recent decision of the English High Court in Nestec v Dualit. See e.g. this report. --19:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I had a suspicion that it might be incorrect (or at least only partially correct), which is why I qualified my answer by saying it was unsourced. In fact, the whole article is unsourced, except from the manufacturer's website. Still, I have removed the sentence in question from the article, and left a link to the above post. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 19:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hours and hours??

How many hours lasts a flight from San Francisco, CA to Dublin, Ireland? Miss Bono 12:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/San+Francisco,+CA/to/Dublin,+Ireland says 10 hours, 41 minutes, assuming 500 mph with 30 minutes for take-off and landing. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:18, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Any stopover? Miss Bono 13:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The flight range is common but it appears there is no direct flight. Entering Dublin at http://timetables.oag.com/sfo2/ gives various options with total travel time of 13-14 hours, for example starting to London in 10 hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess that in the case you traveling in a private jet, you don't have to make any stopover, right? Miss Bono 13:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I don't know how common the distance is for private jets but some can do it. It's 8,200 km and a Gulfstream G550 has plenty of range with 12,500 km. If you lack the range then you may be able to at least get a shorter stopover. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

((edit conflict)). In that case, yes, you wouldn't have to stop. StewieCartman (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

What about this plane MD-83 (as private)? is it fast? Miss Bono 14:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The short answer is: no, not really. It's in the article you reference under "Variants"

Thanks Bielle! :) can you suggest a faster plane? Miss Bono 15:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Gulfstream G650 appears to be the fastest civilian aircraft in operation today. It has the required range. At fast cruise speed of 595 mph it has range 11112 km. We only need 8200km so it could probably get closer to the max speed of 610 mph. At 600 mph with 30 minutes for take-off and landing it would take 9 hours according to http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/San+Francisco,+CA/to/Dublin,+Ireland. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Wao! Thank you very much, PrimeHunter and all of you guys!! You are amazing. Miss Bono 16:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

On regular commercial airlines there is currently no direct option between SFO and DUB. You will have to change somewhere: Atlanta, Chicago, London, etc. Depending on the routing and layover time, the trip can take 15-20 hours. Faster, viable options are a direct flight on a private jet or private charter; so an Airbus A380 cruises at 945 km/h so the same site mentioned above indicates a time of 9 h 11 m. Even faster, but a lot less viable for 'ordinary' people is a faster airplane; so Concorde (if it was still flying and was permitted to fly overland at cruising speed) would take under 4 hours, flying at mach 2. There are also various supersonic commercial/private aircraft projects under development with similar speeds to Concorde, and various military research projects for hypersonic aircraft (> mach 5). Astronaut (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

'Ordinary' people are 'civilians'? Miss Bono 16:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. If you were rich enough to get a supersonic aircraft project off the ground, a civilian could fly on such an aircraft. But when it come to even faster, you would need to be a military test-pilot. Astronaut (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The supersonic Concordes were unable to get licenses to fly over the mainland, a large factor in their going out of business. Cross-Atlantic flights usually have a "standard" flight time which is greatly affected by head or tailwinds. μηδείς (talk) 17:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I just want my character flights fast enough to see her bfriend who had a car accident, the man who is going with her (a friend of her boyfriend) is rich enough to have a private plane. Miss Bono 17:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Clearing things up... my questions here are not for real situations. I am not rich nor do I have a rich boyfriend, nor I am going to make a trip to ireland. I am writting a story and I am asking for advice. Miss Bono 20:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

If this is about your pregnant passenger, things can get topsy-turvy. She might go into labour during the flight, before she or anyone else knows she is pregnant (that really happens!). Then because of time zoning, the birth day recorded on the ground could be on the day before she boarded the plane. And if it's twin babies and just one is born by midnight February 28th, his womb mate might get three birthday cakes before the other's first birthday. And if there's a miscarriage with any acusation that it was induced deliberately, Dublin is about the last place in Europe you would want to land. DreadRed (talk) 20:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Just as a side note: There are some people who use a 747 or similar as a very high end luxury private plane. When I visited Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, they were just redoing the interior design of a 747-400 for a Sheik who finally got a "real" plane - his previous one was a 747-200. But your character's boyfriend would have to be Bruce Wayne-rich, and then you can just take the Batplane. ;-) --Stephan Schulz (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hehehe, DreadRed, yes, it is about the pregnant passenger, I think I don't want the girl to have a miscarriage in Ireland for her own well. And, it is interesting that Feb 28th idea, mmm... Stephan Schulz, do we have an article on 747, my character's boyfriend is Paul McCartney-rich or maybe even more. Miss Bono 12:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The Sultan of Brunai not only owns a 747 as a personal transport - but likes to pilot it himself. SteveBaker (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you guys talkin' about this 747...? Miss Bono 16:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. Including master bedroom, showers, lounges, and all tastefully decorated with wooden veneer hand-buffed by former Rolls Royce workers (apparently only they have the knack to get the shine quite right to suggest understatement and immense wealth at the same time). No joke. But note that the list price of a current 747 is around US$ 35000000 - and that is empty. Even Paul McCartney would be hard-pressed to make that kind of investment (although he just about could). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

That's super cool! Stephan Schulz. What about Bono making that investment?? Miss Bono 17:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I also have a concern, the story has place in 2002. I don't think the 747 existed back then Miss Bono 17:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about Bono's net worth, but the 747 first flew in 1970, so that's not a problem for you. You may confuse it with the Airbus A380, the currently largest civilian passenger jet. I don't know if there is a VIP version of the A380 yet. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Stephan Schulz. So it will be a private 747 then... Miss Bono 18:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

A private 747 is, of course, a very flamboyant statement, more Meat Loaf or Alice Cooper than Sir Paul. If you want to keep it slightly less extreme, make it a temporary charter (e.g. for the latest and greatest world tour of your musician), not an outright buy. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, Stephan Schulz. Remember we are talking about someone with a similar personality to Bono's. Miss Bono 12:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Unidentified flying objects

I took the following pictures of some aircraft, mostly military, but they need identifying. Does anyone know what they are? Aircraft 2 and 3 are the same as is 6 and 7. Aircraft 1, aircraft 2, aircraft 3, aircraft 4, aircraft 5, aircraft 6 and aircraft 7. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Where did you take these photos? Besides Canada. Howicus (talk) 23:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, 1 might be a McDonnell F-101 Voodoo. Howicus (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

(ec) By the number on the tail of #1, it appears to be a McDonnell CF-101 Voodoo, actually a CF-101B according to this book, which gives its history (at the Alberta Aviation Museum in 1998). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

2/3 is a Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 23:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

4 and 5 are both Canadair CT-133 Silver Stars. Howicus (talk) 23:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

6 / 7 is an HS.125-600, owned by one George Trussell of Edmonton (link). Tevildo (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

So, then, these photos were probably all taken at the Alberta Aviation Museum. Howicus (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't that mean Mr. Trussell was the photographer, not the owner? -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 23:44, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right, sorry. Tevildo (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That was very fast. Yes I took all of them at the Alberta Aviation Museum last week. My apologies to all as I didn't look properly at http://www.albertaaviationmuseum.com/Current_Collection and probably could of identified them there. I have two more that were in the restoration area, aircraft 8 and aircraft 9, that don't seem to be in the listing. I was able to id the third restoration by finding a PDF of the 2009 version of http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=ERCO_Ercoupe&oldid=284037358. Thanks again. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Aircraft 9 is almost certainly the B-25J mentioned at the Alberta Aviation Museum page. Howicus (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

and the last one is a Stinson Reliant, also mentioned on the Museum's page. Howicus (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm just wondering but isn't number 8 a Cessna 172? It's ident (FPGO) is different to the Reliant (FOAY). There is a 172 listed her (#60) as an pending acquisition. I just checked the Canadian Civil Aircraft Register Database (use the four letters under mark) and both idents get hits. FOAY is listed as owned by the museum and FPGO was last owned by someone in Alberta. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 02:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

July 24

British green roads

I have no idea about green roads or green paths in the UK. I know there are green ways in the US, but they should be different from green roads in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.202.187.153 (talk) 02:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Greenway (landscape) includes UK examples. StuRat (talk) 02:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

A "Greenway" is not the same as a Green Lane in the UK. The latter are usually unpaved ancient roads which are often byways open to all traffic, but increasingly restricted to bridleway status to avoid damage from motorised vehicles. Dbfirs 05:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The sport of driving on these lanes in off-road vehicles is known as "Greenlaning". This is something of an anathema to those who want to walk or ride horses or mountain bikes along the same roads, and can find them churned into an impassable morass by a convoy of Land Rovers. Ditto farmers who use them to move their livestock and farm vehicles from A to B. See GREEN LANES ROW We have a very brief mention at Off roading#Green laning. Alansplodge (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Exit wound from a .50 BMG?

I've heard from anecdotal sources online that a .50 caliber BMG round from an M82 sniper rifle will leave you with an exit wound the size of a watermelon. Not sure if this is accurate or not, but in general, will high-powered rifle rounds leave a larger or small exit wound with increasing engagement distance?

I'm thinking that if someone was shot point-blank with a .50 BMG, the bullet will pass right through them easily right? Leaving a hole the same as the diameter of the bullet? Or would the bullet fragment and leave a much larger wound upon impact at point blank?

On the other hand, I'm thinking that if the engagement distance was greater, the shooter would have to arc the bullet and hence, hit the victim at a downward angle, leaving a much larger wound.

Are the scenarios accurate?

Acceptable (talk) 02:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It matters less what size the round is and more how it is constructed. An Expanding bullet can leave a very large exit wound even if it is a small caliber. If I understand correctly, a frangible round such as the Glaser Safety Slug will leave smaller exit wounds. RudolfRed (talk) 03:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

AFAIK every .50 BMG round I've ever seen is mil-spec full metal jacket. Shadowjams (talk) 03:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

According to Mythbusters, a round impacting at high velocity will tend to fragment and do much more damage than an equivalent round impacting at low velocity. Rather than leaving a neat hole, I'm pretty sure that a point blank .50 BMG round will tear apart the bullet and create a very large exit wound. Dragons flight (talk) 04:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It's not just the hole that the bullet makes. You have to think of the flesh that's in the immediate path of the bullet having to move out of the way (or be very compressed) at some sizeable fraction of the speed of sound. That creates shockwaves that radiate outwards in all directions - but as the bullet progresses through the flesh, those shockwaves build upon each other in the approximate direction it's travelling so in the end there is a roughly conical region of very fast motion withing the body that's tearing the tissues apart. This shockwave is doing the damage - not the bullet itself or the fragments it produces. Hence you get a relatively small entry wound and a very large exit wound - and immense amounts of trauma spreading outwards from one to the other. SteveBaker (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

There is not any appreciable arc to the bullet at any range where you could reliably hit something. At 1000 yards it still passes through a body in less than a millisecond. Rmhermen (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but when something that's a half inch in diameter passes through a distance of (say) six inches in a millisecond, a couple of cubic inches of flesh have to move a quarter inch to the side in much MUCH less than a millisecond. That creates crazy rates of acceleration - unbelievable g-forces - and a large amplitude supersonic shockwave that radiates outwards - and that rips and tears delicate cellular structures with extreme violence. SteveBaker (talk) 16:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

There's a "50 BMG VS DEER" video on youtube showing the exit wound... Ssscienccce (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

What kind of bow is the Sagittarius centaur using?

I think it's an Asian bow of some kind but that's all I've determined so far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.65.3.227 (talk) 02:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Googling 'Sagittarius image' shows that Sagittarius is shown with different types of bow, sometimes 'recurved' and sometimes 'straight' - see our bow shape article for the difference. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

(Images added by Andy, reformatted to save space) μηδείς (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

• Recurved bows date to about 2,000 BC in Central Asia. We need the OP's original image to identify it. μηδείς (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
  • An original image of the constellation? Here's one, knock yourself out. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:52, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Reformatted your image as a link so it doesn't enroach into the question below. Astronaut (talk) 11:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Most of the images I viewed before posting this and the images I'm viewing now are of the archer holding the composite (edit: recurve) bow. Somehow I think this bow is the original or correct one. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.65.3.227 (talk) 01:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

People crossing river in SA in the1800

What did the people use to cross the river in the olden days when there was no bridges in South Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.27.220.254 (talk) 11:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Boats or swimming. And if they were on horseback, they might have stayed on their horse and encouraged it to wade or swim the river. Astronaut (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

At a ford or drift if they could find one. Rmhermen (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed; see "Crossing a river with ox waggons". "Drifts" were of strategic value in wartime - notably Rorke's Drift. Alansplodge (talk) 15:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Multi-sports events

Are multi-sports events amateur, pro-am or professional, and why? Armbrust 12:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, to all. Why? Many different reasons, which may include money, quality of competition, and more. See the Olympic Games for one major example. Mingmingla (talk) 14:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but what if there is no prize money? Armbrust 18:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

In that case, no one wins any money. People will still compete for the sake of competition. Mingmingla (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

There is no prize money at the Olympics, but it's not an amateur event. The status of an event, professional or amateur, depends on the status of the competitors, not whether there is prize money. HiLo48 (talk) 23:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

What happened to your previous article in which you list the names of many famous people with a lisp?

Is there a way to access - as by going to your archives - the article you once had in which you listed the names of famous individuals who have been affected by lisp - as you now have a comparable article listing the names of famous individuals who have been affected by a stutter?

As someome with a speech disorder himself, can you tell me why it was taken down, and whether it can, or will, be recreated?

Thanks (especially if you can bring this article back) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.95.79 (talk) 15:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know for sure - but our WP:BLP guidelines are pretty strict about having solid references for facts we present about living people. It's quite likely that if there was insufficient proof of the entries that the entire page could get dumped. SteveBaker (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly what you are looking for, but we do have Category:People with a speech impediment. Gandalf61 (talk) 16:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

• It is not the ref desk's purpose to go on a fishing hunt to collect names of living persons who may suffer what they see as an embarassing/problematic condition. Nor, in almost all cases, do we have reliable sources. See WP:BLP. μηδείς (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Nobody has ever suggested the ref desk go on such a fishing hunt. The question was about (a) why an article Misplaced Pages used to have was removed, (b) whether it can be accessed in the archives, and (c) whether it will be recreated, which I assume means restored to the state it was in when it was deleted. -- Jack of Oz 20:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

There used to be List of famous people with lisps from mid 2007. However it had no worthwhile content, one famous actor and a musician and no supporting references. The speedy delete was basically invalid, but it is not worth having back. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Donations

I recall donating after a recent banner heading seeking funds for Misplaced Pages. I have not seen if this achieved the required sum for the organisation. Anybody know please?85.211.204.94 (talk) 16:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

According to https://blog.wikimedia.org/#Financials, "Year-to-date revenue is $50.56MM versus plan of $45.79MM, approximately $4.77MM or 10% over plan". Mitch Ames (talk) 01:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

So THAT's OK then…..85.211.204.94 (talk) 08:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Parkins/Perkins

My Grandfather (in the UK) used to make delicious Parkins, a type of ginger biscuit if I remember correctly 50 or 60 years back All one can buy now are Perkins, they do't taste as good. Are they supposed to be the same as Parkins or are they a different biscuit? 85.211.204.94 (talk) 17:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I've always known it as Parkin (singular), and never heard it called Perkin(s), but our article gives both spellings (as does the Chambers Dictionary). The OED only gives the -a- spelling, but cites some plural examples (meaning "a piece of parkin"). It's more a cake than a biscuit - there are plenty of recipes online if you want to make your own.. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

... and of course nothing tastes as good as it did 50-60 years ago. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Too true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.204.94 (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

With Or Without You

Since English is not my first language I am asking this question... I know all U2 lyrics, but I always have had this on my mind... the lyrics of that song says With or without you I can't live or With or without you I can leave, I hear it as if Bono says I can't Miss Bono 20:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I think you'll find the lyric is "I can't live with or without you". --TammyMoet (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

So, I was right? Yay! My english is not that bad, then :) Thanks Tammy. Miss Bono 21:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

But it's live, not leave! Rojomoke (talk) 22:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I have always sung "wither without you". (I.e., marchitar) Mondegreen. μηδείς (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I hear if you play it backwards, there's a hidden positive message about the sun coming up tomorrow and plenty of fish in the sea. Probably just an urban legend. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it's live, I spell it wrong above, sorry... As for the hidden message... I guess we have to ask Bono? lol Miss Bono 12:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Video date

I have a Live video on U2's Until The End Of The World. I was wondering what's the exact date of that video. It is for sure the ZooTV period. Bono is not wearing shades, Edge is wearing a violet (or pink) sleeveless shirt. In some part of the video Bono takes one of the camera and approaches it to his pants (yeah, that part of the pants- don't ask), before that he kisses the camera... Any ideas?? Miss Bono 21:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

July 25

MMA for Self Defence

I am interested in self defense. So far there are numerous martial arts available out there. I found that Mixed Martial Arts are performed in cage as a sport or entertainment purpose. Google search shows confusing thoughts regarding this issue. Some agree and some disagree. As for self defense is MMA appropriate in street fighting. Since it's a fighting system that kick, punch and grapple. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance--180.234.245.137 (talk) 01:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

While MMA fighters do come from a variety of disciplines, I believe that MMA has strong ties to Brazilian jiu-jitsu which is a self-defense martial art. --Jayron32 01:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

• • Are you implying that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is far more effective than MMA in self-defence? I know that it's part of MMA. What I am trying to say that is MMA, as a whole system effective for unexpected street fight or self defense?? Thanks--180.234.240.213 (talk) 17:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
    • MMA is not itself a specific, well-organized discipline. As the name implies, it is a set of related competitions of combat fighting, with a looser set of rules than most combat sports, to allow for competitions between people from different fighting traditions. The idea is to allow Marquess of Queensbury boxers to compete against Thai kickboxers, judo fighters, karate fighters, etc. in a single competitive structure. Over time, recently, there have been some training programs that specifically train "MMA", but basically these are modified forms of other, more well-developed martial arts traditions. --Jayron32 01:55, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion MMA is not the right set of skills for self-defense. It is focused on aggressive actions rather than defensive actions. In some cases the best defense is a good offense (as the saying goes), but that doesn't apply in general, especially if you are smaller than your attacker. Also MMA has rules against some of the most effective defense actions, such as kicking the attacker in the balls; and the use of gloves makes other actions, such as eye strikes, ineffective. Looie496 (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

See, Krav Maga. There are certain martial art forms not used in competition precisely because used effectively they are not harmless. As a side note, weaponless self-defense against an armed offender is never a good thing. Shadowjams (talk) 04:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

But in every bad movie I've ever seen you can count on the armed bad guy to step too close to our hero, who then takes his gun away from him. StuRat (talk) 09:49, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Self-defense is your starting article for your options and ramification of self-defense. OsmanRF34 (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Nightsoil

Hi - I'm looking for info about the trade of the nightsoil man, erstwhile of the backstreets of Australia - can't find anything at the library, and little specific to Aus - can anyone help?

Thanks

Adambrowne666 (talk) 03:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

You don't mention whether you've looked at the night soil article, but it does mention countries other than Australia, and does include references that may help you. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I immediately thought, I know what you mean by nightsoil, but I don't remember anyone actually calling it that when my family's house was a client of such a service. So, I went to Google and tried "dunny cart", the name we kids used for it, and had some definite success. So, give that a go. Also, while obviously a novel, Frank Hardy's "Outcasts of Foolgarah" is all about a gentleman in that profession. Could give you some valuable insights. (And it's hilarious!) HiLo48 (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Beauty, thanks, both - didn't think of dunny cart - I just remember the terms nightsoil man and nightman from my parents' stories - will check it out, and the Frank Hardy novel too, if only because I have a crush on his daughter.Adambrowne666 (talk) 08:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Dunny (more Aus specific) and Outhouse (less so) also have useful information. Toilet also mentions the dunnyman (also spelt "dunny man"), which I think is the more colloquial Australianism for a person in the occupation you describe. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you perhaps mean his grand-daughter, Adam? -- Jack of Oz 08:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

(ah yes, thank you, Jack - silly me - have you seen, by the way, the photo Marieke did parodying one done by Derryn Hinch in the '70s?) Adambrowne666 (talk) 09:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

(No. Where would one see such a thing? -- Jack of Oz 11:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC))

Try this. (Warning to the sensitive: Nipples!) HiLo48 (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hm, apparently I move in different circles. -- Jack of Oz 06:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

For some comparative terms, ca. early 1940s: The U.S. English jocular-euphemistic term "honey dippers." I heard this from my dad relating to his US Army service in WWII, either during infantry training in the South, possibly latrine duty in the Pacific Theatre, or in Japan for six months at the war's end. Another term from Yiddish or Polish, same period: Lodz ghetto Jews were put to work as "fekalists" pushing wheeled collecting tanks through the streets for manually clearing out residential cesspools (see stills in the Ghetto Fighters' House photo archive. -- Deborahjay (talk) 09:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Deborah - your info confirms by feeling that if I strike a good vein, I'll end up with a wealth of fantastic cultural stuff - certainly a short story's worthAdambrowne666 (talk) 09:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Downloading data about wikipedia

I would like to know if there is a repository from where I can download some data related to wikipedia. I would like to have a database of the various links or articles that one article on a wikipage leads to. For example the wiki article on Physics leads to an article on Classical Physics. Classical Physics in turn leads to other wiki pages like General Relativity. Some pages may have a link back to the original page as well. It will be great if I could get a list of these connections of wiki articles. 128.151.144.133 (talk) 04:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

You can download the entire text of Misplaced Pages in several formats - without the photographs it's actually surprisingly small, just a few gigabytes. You can find information on how to do it in WP:DOWNLOAD. SteveBaker (talk) 04:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

If you only need to make limited queries, Misplaced Pages:API might be useful. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:51, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

You can download old link data (2010 version) here: http://haselgrove.id.au/wikipedia.htm. For the most recent data, enwiki-latest-pagelinks.sql.gz (5 GB) and enwiki-latest-page.sql.gz (969 MB) from http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/ see the first site for the content of those files. Ssscienccce (talk) 15:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Piers and Beaches

After being on Brighton Pier recently, I have come to wonder, why do there appear to be so many more piers in England than in Scotland? All the Scottish piers appear to be tiny boat jetties which have no arcades or amusements on them. This makes me wonder, what do Scottish people do at the beach if there is a massive lack of piers? In general, Scottish seaside resorts seem to be much less numerous, population and land size considered. Is there anything different about the weather and why? After all, no Scottish cities are seaside unlike England. Ireland appears to be similar. 92.0.106.168 (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Aberdeen and Edinburgh both have beaches. Pleasure piers are rare outside England and Wales, yet people around the world find plenty to do at the beach. Warofdreams talk 13:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

According to that article: "...the large tidal ranges at many such resorts meant that for much of the day, the sea was not visible from dry land. The pleasure pier was the resorts' answer, permitting holiday makers to promenade over and alongside the sea at all times". Therefore, if the beaches are steeper, so that the tide doesn't go out as far, then the need for a pleasure pier is eliminated. Are Scotland's beaches steeper ? StuRat (talk) 14:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

What you say is partially, but not entirely, the case. The National Piers Society lists 99 existing or lost piers in the UK, only 4 of them in Scotland. Scotland generally has about 10% of the UK's population, so that means per capita Scotland had about half the number of piers you'd expect. Part of the reason is surely that the south coast piers, which can rely on a longer season, are in resorts that are more economically viable. But we can also attribute some of this to the west central belt of Scotland's fondness for going "doon the watter", which distributed holidaymakers to a dozen or two relatively small venues throughout Arran, Bute, Argyle, Kintyre, and the Ayrshire Coast - there's really nowhere else in Britain where the inhabitants of a major metropolis can take an affordable boat trip for an afternoon and be delivered into an archipelago, where they can be relatively far from the modern world and from one another. Notably Dunoon and Rothsay had pleasure piers. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 13:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Plastic disposal

What is the most eco friendly way to dispose of overhead transparency sheets? --TammyMoet (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

In the US, type1 (polyester) film can be returned to 3M . That says it's treated in such a way that it's not suitable for the normal polyester recycling path. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 19:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

July 27

What is the medical term for suddenly bucking or jolting when you're falling asleep?

It happens to me sometimes and I'd like to find out what it is and what it means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.65.3.227 (talk) 07:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Restless leg syndrome, and there are some other phenomenon similar to it. The connection between them all is unclear. But if you search pubmed for it you should have a good start. Shadowjams (talk) 08:06, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Nope, it's a hypnic jerk, although not much is know about that either. Fgf10 (talk) 08:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Right. More information at Myoclonus, as well. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

How to fix this break?

This is part of a classic car engine to be restored to running order. DreadRed (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Find a junkyard and buy a working replacement. --Jayron32 13:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, a repair should only be attempted if there's no possibility of finding a replacement. Perhaps you want to be able to brag that the car has all original parts, but I think a repair like that would reduce the value even more than a replacement part. Also, if this break happened with normal use, it implies that the part is defective anyway, to break like that. StuRat (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Is this part of a hydraulic braking system? It helps to identify the part when asking questions. It looks like an aluminium (as opposed to Zamak/Mazak) casting. Don't to forget identify: make, model and year of manufacture.--Aspro (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The break occurred under abnormal stress during restoration work. It is not part of a braking system. The aluminium casting is one of a few made in Italy in the 1970s and it is not replaceable. I do not identify the car, its owner or its high value. DreadRed (talk) 21:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

You _might_ be able to braze it (or, rather, someone skilled in such matters might be able to braze it) - TIG welding is also possible on aluminium. However, getting a new part made up is probably better in the long run. Without straying into legal advice territory, it might also be a good idea to let the owner know what's happened and see what their preferred option is. Tevildo (talk) 21:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

A welder has a clear plan for the joint geometry and is competent enough to notice that the fracture line runs close to a machined bearing. A thick walled aluminium structure is a strong thermal conductor and is liable to soften and distort under welding. Attempting to weld the break looks like a bad idea. DreadRed (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, which is why I wouldn't recommend it - it is, however, not impossible. If you can't get a new part (have you tried the owner's club? Most classic cars have very active clubs, which will know where to source parts), you'll have to get a new one manufactured. Tevildo (talk) 11:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

What's the main Russian entry port for the semi trucks and semi-trailers?

Many tractor-trailers, (e.g. Volvo VN, Freightliner, etc.). are very popular in the country.

I don't know the both American exit and Russian entry ports for the semi-truck and semi-trailers. Please tell me.

Is they are imported by independent importers, natural person or other? --Kiel457 (talk) 18:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I would expect that a Volvo would be taken directly from Sweden to Russia, possibly over the Baltic Sea. No idea on the rest of your question. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

What's the main U.S. entry port for the Japanese/Asian Cars such as the Infiniti FX?

I need to know about what's the main U.S. entry port for the Japanese cars such as the Infiniti FX, Nissan GT-R, etc. --Kiel457 (talk) 19:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

This article lists the top 20 ports for 2011. It would appear that most Nissans go to Los Angeles. Tevildo (talk) 20:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

How to swap a 5.9L Cummins and a 5-speed manual on a 1965 Ford F-350?

I need to know about how to swap a 5.9 L (360 cu in) Cummins and a NV4500 from a 1998 Dodge Ram into a 1965 Ford F-350 Crew Cab.

Other options to install: 12,000 lb (5,400 kg) Warn winch, subwoofer enclosure made of wood, behind the rear seats, backup camera integrated into the rear view mirror, aftermarket square taillight/brake light, off-road capable four-wheel drive.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Kiel457 (talk • contribs)

A checkbook and someone who knows what they are doing is how I usually handle problems like this. --Jayron32 20:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

What exactly are you trying to do? If it's an engine swap, then why does it matter if it has a winch or cameras? RudolfRed (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

How to import and register a vehicle in the Republic of Georgia?

Can anyone tell me about how to import and register a vehicle in Georgia, for information purposes only? I'm not a Georgian citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiel457 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

No legal advise here. Go away. OsmanRF34 (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Assume good faith. And from his other questions it seems this is an area of general interest to the guy, not a personal question. -Elmer Clark (talk) 09:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

July 28

How to swap a 7.3L Powerstroke and an 8-speed automatic into a 1969 Ford F-350 4x4?

I only need some information from anyone.

Vehicle: 1969 Ford F-350

Donor vehicle for the 7.3L Powerstroke: 1995 Ford F-350

Donor vehicle for the 8-speed automatic: 2012 BMW 5 Series (F10)

Vehicle to swap the engine and transmission: 1969 Ford F-350 with four-wheel drive. --Kiel457 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Leather of wingtips' toe cap different than vamp?

I have a pair of black Rockport Oxford wingtip dress shoes. I noticed that the leather of the toe camp is shinier and "firmer" than the leather of the vamp. Is it normal for Oxford wingtip dress shoes to have different leather finishes between the toecap and vamp? Acceptable (talk) 18:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Not really an expert, but I would expect the toecap to be made of stiffer and thicker leather than the vamp, which has to flex when you walk. When I worked in an office and could afford to buy Jones's Oxfords, the finish was the same all over when first bought, but after a couple of hours' work you could get a deep shine on the toe caps. Alansplodge (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Most benefited books

Hello there, I have come up with two books in Amazon.com. They both focus on speed training in martial arts. I have option to buy one. One is Speed Training for Martial Arts and MMA and another one is Warrior Speed. I want to get better insight either one of them. Which one could be most beneficial for readers? I checked their table of contents and read some pages but fails to figure out which one provides more insight regarding martial arts speed. I don't train in any martial art institution and prefer to go for solo training (at my home) and improve my speed. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks--180.234.44.24 (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

That's kind of difficult to find someone who indeed read both books. On a side note, I can only advise against learning anything about self-defense from a book. That's something you want to learn in person in an academy. OsmanRF34 (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

• Well, I appreciate your comments. If learning self-defense from a book is not sound applicable then no one would have written books on self defense. I am a strength trainer and have pretty well strength in hands and legs ( broke hard made wooden table and chair by putting 3 or 4 punches. I was amazed that I developed such strength). Any martial artist can be a strength trainer but not a strength trainer can easily be a martial artist. So, I found this two books to expedite my punch and leg speed. I consider myself a complete beginner in this system. But bit confused which one of this book more insightful for a beginner like me? Thanks--180.234.44.24 (talk) 20:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

" If learning self-defense from a book is not sound applicable then no one would have written books on self defense."

Sure they would. People write about any kind of mad stuff that cannot be learned from a book alone, but often you'll still need a teacher. OsmanRF34 (talk) 20:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

How a 2012 Kia Rio SX was sent to Saabkyle04?

YouTube user Saabkyle04 got a 2012 Kia Rio SX manufacturer demo car from California.

Video link: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiel457 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

If it doesn't say in the video, then there is no way to know. You'll need to ask that user. RudolfRed (talk) 22:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

July 29

Smartphones

Are there any internal settings of smartphones (the handsets, not the service plan which understandably will be region-specific) that prevent their being brought across countries/continents and being used? I'm thinking of something similar to DVD regions - does any major manufacturer practice a policy in which a smartphone made for use in one country cannot be brought into another in which that same phone is available and outfitted with a plan/SIM card/etc and be used normally. Thanks. 24.92.93.248 (talk) 04:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Different countries allocate different frequency bands for cellular networks, so you need to sure that your selected phone supports the appropriate frequency band for each country where you want to use it. See Multi-band and multi-mode phones in our article on GSM frequency bands. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Internment camp on Isle of Man

I would be grateful if a user could please let me know whether one can find on the Internet the names of the German Jews who were interned on the Isle of Man during the Second World War. Thank you. Simonschaim (talk) 09:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

No actual list, but this might make a good starting point for your inquiry. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Passages on this page may give you some further leads: "In both wars these camps were under British Goverment control; all records relating to them are (or were) held in London - see addresses at end. It seems that all the personal files relating to WWI internees held by the British Goverment were destroyed, probably by accident, during the 1970's. The original card index was destroyed by enemy action in WWII. However it would appear that the Geneva based Red Cross may, in the future allow some access to its own records compiled from UK weekly returns of internees and POW's - please contact the Anglo-German FHS for more details. No records were kept on the Island though there are many incidental records, not all indexed, kept by for example the Island police force that are now in the Manx Museum Library."

"Indexed records of internees

I have been informed that any records that survive are now on UK National Archives, though would appear from comments that virtually no personal records of either WWI or WWII internees are available

Burial records of Internees who died at Knockaloe

War Graves Commision,

Broadhurst Green,

Cannock Chase, Staffordshire

Anglo-German Family History Society

Membership Secretary

Anglo-German Family History Society,

20 Skylark Rise,

Plymouth,

Devon,

PL6 7SN

They also have a webpage on the very impressive Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies web site.

International Red Cross

ICRC Archives,

19 Avenue de la Paix,

CH-1212 Geneva,

SWITZERLAND.

Apparently they will search their records for a fee but comments received are that any records still available are not that easily searchable.

- Cucumber Mike (talk) 10:29, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Costs of using jetbridges

To save money, many low-cost carriers, especially in Europe, as much as possible avoid using jetbridges. However, exactly how is using a jetbridge more expensive than using airstairs, which can sometimes employ more people and usually requires the use of buses which might theoretically add costs? Narutolovehinata5 11:08, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Jetbridges require substantial investment to build. The airport makes up for these high fixed costs by charging seperate usage fees to airlines using the jetbridges. It's precisely these fees that the low-cost carriers are avoiding. Airstairs, while more labor-intensive, do not require such a large initial investment and the fees for using them are substantially lower.129.178.88.82 (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

But if that is the case, why don't airports just drop the fees once the costs of building the jetbridges are recouped? Is it for extra profit? Narutolovehinata5 11:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. That's the simple, and realistic answer. But there's always maintenance costs too. HiLo48 (talk) 12:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

What's the main Russian entry port for the American semi-trucks and semi-trailers?

American trucks are very popular in the country as well as other CIS countries.

The Volvo VN is popular in the country as well as other CIS countries. All semi-trucks came from the United States as used vehicles.

The Volvo VN is only available in the North American market. It's not manufactured in Sweden.

I believe that they are exported from the East Coast of the United States.

The used American semi-trucks imported by the companies, natural person or other?

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